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  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 19, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    It's done, time to move on!

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Dec. 19, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    It is so easy to make judgments without facts: you simply engage your personal bias and spew. People were sure there was no communication between Jake and the coaches, that he was going to take his fellow recruits with him, or that BYU dropped the ball.

    Even adjusting for political spin, it looks as though the "rift" between Heaps and Doman was non-existent. Clearly Apo, Stout and Van Noy are still with the team, and Jake is looking at Kansas. I guess Charlie Weis is going to have to make him an NFL star. We'll know in three or four years.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 19, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    Why are we still dwelling on this very over done story ? Heaps is out, bye-bye, gone, so long, later, lets get over this old and distracting story.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Dec. 19, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    BYU coaches, please stop the blatant facade. Heaps' transfer is a bad reflection on BYU and the coaching staff, espcially Bronco and Brandon (B&B? Is that the origin of the "Band of Brothers"?) Now they are trying to be diplomatic about the whole thing. Sad!

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Dec. 19, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Mendenhall said he didn't necessarily try to convince Heaps to stay at BYU.

    Doman wasn't surprised that Heaps ultimately decided to leave...

    Sounds like coaches really pulled out all the stops to keep Heaps at BYU. Not.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    Answer: All the time.

    Question: How often does this type of thing happen in college football?

    Spin it all you want. BYU is going to turn this into a win/win. Heaps wasn't willing to stick around and beat out Riley Nelson. If he can find a program that will accept that attitude and work ethic (or lack thereof), then the more power to him.

    My allegiance goes to BYU and the men that play for that team.

    Go Cougs!

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Dec. 20, 2011 4:45 a.m.

    Of course they wanted him to stay. Coaches want all the options they can get. If the quarterbacks that come in over the next couple of years don't work out, they have one with some game experience. But Heaps wants to play and you can't blame him for that. He saw that he will probably be a back-up the rest of his career at BYU and he doesn't want that. I do hope that his impatience and unwillingness to complete for the job doesn't do him in. It does seem that he thinks he should be anointed the started (like is was originally) rather than have to win the job. I think his only chance to play on a regular basis is to move on to a WAC or MWC school. He will be a backup anywhere else.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 20, 2011 4:57 a.m.

    Heaps should read the article on "Writing a Failure Resume" in yesterday's D-News. I think it is sad he couldn't suck it up and learn from the situation. He played poorly this year and stomped off when it didn't suit him to sit on the bench. The first thing he needs to improve is his attitude.

    I don't agree that the coaches should have made a stronger effort to keep him. It's Heap's decision after all. I hope you that disagree let your kids decide once in a while on their life's course...

  • EnglishAlan Rugeley, Staffs
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:36 a.m.

    Kouger, there is no diplomacy going on here. If you knew anything at all about Brandon Doman, you would know that he is as honest as the day is long. He is merely telling it the way it was.

    Players all want to play every minute of every game. Jake Heaps has ambition to play in the NFL, and cannot see himself getting there if he is not the starting QB in College. He obviously cares more about himself than he does about the team. When you are that way, your team-mates see it in you, and you do not get their support. I think it speaks volumes that Apo, Stout and Van Noy are not going anywhere with him. They have seen that he is not up to the hype. For me, he was great until put under pressure. I am sixty years of age, but could QB a team against some of the teams that he has led the Cougars to beat. (I played a real man's game, Rugby League, at a high level, in the position equivalent of the QB, and it is when the going is tough that people look to you to step up.)

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    Why are we still talking about Jake Heaps???? Apply you principles "Forgive and Forget"!

  • What To Do Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:05 a.m.

    This is too Funny for words.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:28 a.m.

    As to who to believe according to this article, between the BYU Coaches and the spinning Pundits, about the why's and wherefore's, I am in the coaches corner.

    What you have here is a young man who thought the whole world revolved around him. When it stopped, he checked out.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    BYUfaninWashSt | 11:42 p.m. Dec. 19, 2011

    Mendenhall said he didn't necessarily try to convince Heaps to stay at BYU.

    Doman wasn't surprised that Heaps ultimately decided to leave...

    Sounds like coaches DID communicate with him regularly, and unlike what others would have perhaps done, they tried to help him make a decision that was best for JAKE. They wanted him, they invested a lot of time in him, they loved him (in a manly, football sort of way), but they didn't try to do what was best for the coaches, the team or BYU, but what was best for Jake.

    I don't have a problem with that, why do you?

  • EdCullen Orem, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    It's unfortunate, I wish he'd stay. I think it's a bad decision. It's not often a quarterback transfers and it ends up working out better for him.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:48 a.m.

    Heaps decision to transfer is not a reflection on BYU coaches at all. It's only a reflection on Jake. Jake lost the starting QB job to a 2 star rated QB, once again proving how meaningless the stars are.

    I'm sure Jake knew he would not be the starter next year, once Riley got the starting nod against Hawaii and performed superbly.

    Jake couldn't handle the rejection or adversity and decided to seek greener pastures. The coaches didn't push him out of the program or kick him off the team. He decided to leave, and it was his decision.

    That's the story. Let's quit analyzing it over and over. Thousands of kids transfer from one college to another for many different reasons. He transfered, it's over, let's be done with it.

    The only other story I want to read about Jake is where he transfers to, and we should know that within the next week. I don't need to know why he chose the school over another. I don't need to know where he held the press conference to announce his new school. I don't need to know when they will win a National Championship or Heisman.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:48 a.m.

    Imature with a big ego. He has a lot of growing up to do.

  • ed in atl Duluth, GA
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:53 a.m.

    Kouger you are a come on man comment. The coaches did not make him go after the DB on the pick 6 at Ole Miss. I like Jake, but the Junior High move with the bad snap against Utah did him in. That was stupid! But the decision came down to his wife she was humiliated at a game. Bronco wants fighters.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    Re. ed in atl...It was reported on local media that Jake's wife was not humililiated by fans at a game, the people who were alledged to have said some unkind things to her, were not even at the game. This according to recent media, but it could be incorrect.

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    Everybody needs to stop criticizing Mendenhall and Doman!! What choice did they have? Heaps looked terrible and was clearly not producing!! They are measured by wins and losses, not who is playing quarterback!! Jake Heaps, on the other hand, saw it completely diffently. He felt he should be the starter no matter how pathetic the offense was or whether the team won or lost. It wasn't about wins or losses for Jake, it was about whether he would be drafted in the first round!! His decision to leave was purely selfish and based on a tantrum after he was told that he needed to learn and develop more as a D1 quaterback. How can anyone out there say that Heaps deserved to be the starting q-back after the way he played this year?

    I'm sure that the only question JH asked Charlie Weiss at Kansas or any other coach for that matter is this: I'll be the starting quarterback, RIGHT?!!

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    College players don't play football for life lessons. They play for a shot at the big time. There is nothing wrong with wanting to go to the NFL. All the players at BYU should want that. They should all strive for that level of play. The team is not going to win a national championship any time soon, so why not shoot for the NFL?

    Unwillingness to compete? He competed for the starting job and lost. He was never going to win in this offensive scheme. He recognized that. Since when is it wrong to stop beating your head against a brick wall? When you realize the wall will win, you should try something else. You don't stay around until your dead. Do we tell battered women to stay with thier abusive husbands? "Come on tough it out, take one for the family!" (I'm totally not calling Heaps a battered woman).

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    Jake's decision to transfer clearly says as much about Bronco as it does about Heaps.

    Bronco likes kids like himself. But, high profile QBs are not 'mudders'.

    SO now, when do you think BYU will get another "national" recruit at Quarterback?

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Through all the years of watching BYU football, I see that they choke when it really counts to win. Those losses to Texas, Utah, TCU, etc. were team errors. The fans are in fantasy world thinkning the Cougars will go to a National Championship--no chance. National Championships = no choking in clutch situations. Heaps left because he probably saw a program in a fantasy world--fans included.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    I think Jake would have had a shot at starting after a redshirt season and his best chance at success was at BYU. That being said, he has to do what he thinks is best for him. Some would do what is best for their team. Sad to see him go but I hope he reaches his full potential somewhere. I would guess that his "team" of parents and handlers had a big role in him moving on.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    When the coaches didn't start Jake in the Hawaii game, they were saying: "GOODBYE! Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    Dustman, Do you really believe that Jake would be leaving if he was STILL the starting q-back? To Jake, how well he played had NOTHING to do with his decision to leave!!!!!!! The fact the BM and Doman DID care how the team played IS the reason JH is leaving!!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Two words: "Damage Control"

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Kyle Van Noy was not part of Jake's recruiting class. The "Big 3" that committed together were Heaps, Apo and Zac Stout. Van Noy committed the year before but then couldn't enroll in school in time because of a run-in with the law.

  • justmeagain Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    It seems that the people of Utah need a reminder that we lost to Texas, almost lost to Ole Miss, had a humiliating loss to Utah, and then we almost lost to Utah State. Jake Heaps was not good for BYU and BYU was not a fit for Jake Heaps.

    Good Luck Jake! I truly hope you find a program that works for you. It's time to learn to take a hit and learn how to win football games!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    SLCguy,

    You've probably heard of Mangum and he's about as "national" as they get, having won the Elite 11 QB competition. Ask Trent Dilfer what he thinks about Tanner and his potential at the college level.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Re: justmeagain,

    I agree wholeheartedly with you. And besides learning to deal with any kind of pocket pressure, he needs to learn to put a little touch on the ball instead of throwing it 100 mph every time. If he can learn those two things he'll be an NFL QB and BYU fans will wish he had stayed. Those two things are a big "if" however.

  • Wyclif OREM, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I hope the young man can land on his feet. A couple more years of fighting to start would have been great for his development, would have made him better. All of the great BYU quarterbacks of the past were second string at one point. You can learn from it. You don't have to be first string from the get go.

    Well again I wish him well, and I really hope he doesn't live to regret this.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Some of you people make me laugh. As if you know what's really going on and you've never sniffed a football in your life.

    Good luck to Heaps in the future. I think if he would have been willing to red shirt next year and then play two he would have been a really good quarterback for BYU.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    The two coaches failed. They took a top talent and could not develop him. They could not motivate or prepare their team. Be it Jake against Utah or Nelson against TCU, the BYU team on the field was a very poor representation of the school. When the head coach can only praise walk-ons and the offensive cordinator can't prepare a game plan why would someone with Jake's skills want to just sit around knowing he will never be given a chance. You certainly don't see any other schools rushing to hire either of these guys. Instead of leading men, they seem to think they are dealing with boy scouts. BYU apparently wants only walk-ons. Winning 7 or 8 games a year is apparently the goal beating Idaho and NMSU. I don't think we will ever be free from Nelson now...he'll move to graduate assistant to coaching assistant. They guy is just wonderful. Now if he could just throw the ball and keep his composure some day he might be a qaurterback. My 4 tickets that I have held for 25 years are not going to be purchased again as long as we have these coaches.

  • selway Paul, Idaho
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    I think alot of it is just bad luck. Look at Boise State playing a 6-6 weak Arizona State team because their kicker could not make a 20 yard field goal. Same thing happened last year to BYU after a stellar game by Heaps at Utah. He will get better if he applies the lessons he has learned. BYU with Taysom Hill backing up Nelson next year is well stocked at quarterback. With no running game this year it hurt also.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Jake, better make sure you get your degree, wherever you end up. You'll need it after your college eligibility is exhausted. "Toto! We're not in Kansas anymore." Mark my word, Heaps will be a bust anywhere else. His best opportunity was to stay & redshirt. The ego on this guy is large enough to fill a room. Too bad his talent & performance didn't match up.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    @SLCguy

    Uh Tanner mangum, the mvp of the elite 11 camp and the #2 rated qb prospect in the country is committed to sign with them this year. So the answer to your question

    "SO now, when do you think BYU will get another "national" recruit at Quarterback?"

    is....immediately. And of course he just goes along with Taysom Hill a national recruit transferring from Stanford and all of the other national recruits already on thier roster.

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    SLC Guy- The way this turned out, why do we *want* to bring in another "national" recruit? We have done pretty well over the years with guys who are willing to work hard instead of those who think they are the greatest and all should be handed to them. Also, Bronco handled Jake the same way he handles recruits. He doesn't try to convince his recruits to come here, just like he didn't try to convince Jake to stay. He lets them decide what they want to do. I believe the paper is still writing articles on this subject is because this is the first time the coaches have commented. I think that's worth reading, since they were involved. In conclusion, the coaches gave Jake more chances than they should have. He had the chance and he stunk it up.

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    To everyone who dislikes national recruits:

    All you have to do is look at the national recruits the SEC gets...they win national championships

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    @ Wayne Rout:

    Your comments are laughable. Do you have some inside info the rest of us and the media don't have access to? Do you know that neither coach has had no other offers? 7 or 8 games a year? How many 10 Win seasons has Mendenhall and BYU had laely? Not sure where you're comeing from, but please stay there. You provide good humor.

    @ estreetshuffle: You are likely a come lately football fan. Those of us who've been around a while have seen plenty of pressure wins from BYU. Was this season a little light? You bet, but history will out in the end and BYU will be just fine without Jake Heaps. Wish him well wherever his next press conference is held and his next claim to the Heisman is declared.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Dec. 20, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    It is amazing the spin that comes out of this story. Doman and Mendenhall wanted Heaps to stay, and just like every coach you want your guys to be happy. This was Jake's decision and he decided to leave. I personally was hoping he would stay and red shirt next year but he has made the decision and the coaches respect that and it would be foolish to convince someone to stay when they don't want to. As for Apo, Stout, & Van Noy I am happy they have decided to stay. Van Noy is a great LB and he brings speed to the LB position. Stout has been injured but he does have a lot of talent and Apo had a breakout year and he will have a great career at B.Y.U.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    I understand that Jake is also interested in changing his last name to
    E-N-T-I-T-L-E-M-E-N-T.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Wayne Rout

    Can I have your tickets?

    Seriously, I should treat you more respectfully, because you sound like you have been around that long. Just some updates for your file: Riley will not be a graduate assistant. He will be a med school student.

    You also may not have a strong grasp of statistics, but Riley DOES throw, well.

    Hang in, Wayne. Two disappointing years in a row does NOT the end of a dynasty signal.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Maybe he read Vai's column telling him to leave.

    Thanks Vai! It's all your fault.

  • jvs OREM, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Too bad it's not Doman and Bronco that are transfering!!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    I know Jake and his family and I have spoken to them many times about this situation. Jake just felt that it would be better for all involved to leave. He didn't really like the direction of the program and felt that his talents were more suited to a pro style offense rather than the spread where the quarterback is going to run 50% of the time.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    This article and the one written by a pot stirer in Salt Lake's alternative newspaper are just lame attempts to create a story where none exists. There is no connection between Heaps' transfer and BYU coaches just as there is no truth to these newsboy-generated rumors about a rift between any player and a coach.

    Nothing to see here folks. Just move along. Keep moving.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    Why are we all discussing a player who isn't even on our team? Best wishes to him. Go Cougs!

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    54-10, are you saying then that Jake would have transferred if he was still the starting quarterback?

    C'mon, this is sooo stupid!! Jake failed at BYU of all places, the worst football program in your eyes, I'm sure. If he couldn't make it at BYU with his unbelievable arm and football talents how in the world is he going to make it at a 'real' football program?

    Next time you talk to his family, ask them why Jake feels entitled to be a starting quarterback without actually having to produce on the field?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    RE: 54-10 "I know Jake and his family and I have spoken to them many times about this situation." Thanks soooo much. I feel so better informed of Jake's decision, knowing that you know Jake & have actually spoken to his family. I happen to know Jordan's family down here in my neck of the woods. We all, too, have questions about the direction your troll offense is going. Feliz Navidad! in El Paso.

  • Band Of Roscoes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Great. Now we're all excited about Tanner Magnum coming in, but a nagging question remains "can this coaching staff develop future-NFL talent?"

    The hopes surrounding Magnum match the hopes we had for Heaps.
    What will this coaching staff do differently? Talent comes with ego. Can the staff handle it?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Jake transferred because he saw no future at BYU going forward. You don't leave a job you like. I think personally Jake didn't like the Doman offense - sort of a run and shoot style offense that wasn't conducive to Jake's skills as a drop back pocket passer. Also I think Jake wanted a shot at playing on a bigger stage - a BCS conference. I'm sure Doman wanted Jake back but I doubt Jake would have ever come to BYU in the first place without Anae. Any way you slice it, BYU is losing a really good QB and I think the run first offense of Doman isn't going to sit too well with long time Cougar fans.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader,

    El Paso to watch Georgia Tech or.....

    Dallas to watch TULSA....

    Tough choice.

    Just kidding, I'll go to El Paso. It's not about the location, it's about the football game. Y fans, really? You only support your team if they play in vacation spots??

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    The one good thing about Heaps transferring to Kansas (if that is where he goes) is that noone cares about Kansas football - even KU fans. Heaps will be able to fly under the radar screen rather well there. BYU fans will care more about how Heaps does than Kansas fans. Heck, Utah fans will care more about how Heaps does than Kansas fans.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Re: GoGetter "El Paso to watch Georgia Tech or..... Dallas to watch TULSA....
    Tough choice." Ummm. I'd take Dallas/Forth Worth any time! Good, bad or indifferent, we were locked into our bowl. But, from what I read before the season started, you guys were already punching your tickets to Pasadena. That's what I find so humorous. El Paso is a tad different than Pasadena. And with USC back in the mix next year and the way you're offense was going, perhaps you can get a "repeat" to El Paso again, since, apparently, you like it so much.

    "You only support your team if they play in vacation spots??" Actually, Cougs fans support our team wherever they play. There seems to be a pretty strong nat'l following to our team. Don't know if you've noticed that yet.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Re: Band of Roscoes,

    I'm going to call Troll on you but seriously? It's the coaches fault that Heaps failed? I'm sorry but I watched every game Jake played at BYU and Jake has no one to blame but himself for losing his starting job. He had series after series to prove that he was good enough and the plethora of over-thrown or of-the-mark passes, going 100 mph, were proof that he just wasn't ready to play at that level. I would've loved to see him stay on and try to win the job in 2013 but I can't really say I'm disappointed he left. From Nelson to Hill to Mangum BYU football will be just fine for the next 6 years +.

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    Amen, Giantfan!! Right on the mark!!

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    @ loveless:

    If jake was still the starting QB, it would mean BYU was not running this current offense. For Jake to be successful, he needs to be in a prostyle offense. This is not a pro style offense. As long as BYU continues to run this offense, Jake will not be successful. Jake thinks he can be successful in a program that runs an offense suitable to his skill set, ie. not requireing the QB to run with the ball.

    You don't have to rip apart a guy for wanting to be successful according to the tools he has. He knows he can't run the ball.

    I hope Lark is as good as everyone says. If Riley is getting his shoulders numbed up before every game, it makes you wonder how much longer he'll last. Even if Heaps stayed and Riley got hurt, this doesn't mean BYU would change their offense to a pro style system.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    54-10 and patriot:

    Neither one of you know what your talking about.

    Doman pretty much single handedly recruited Heaps. And Heaps himself said Doman was a major reason he came to BYU. He said nothing about Anae.

    Secondly, the spread offense was Anae's offense of last year. Doman switched to a Pro style offense this year to fit Heaps' style and skills, then modified it when Riley became the starter. So please, have some type of grasp of offenses before spouting mistruths.

    And 54-10-- I, too, "know Jake and his family" probably as well as you do, and even though Utah was interested, they tell me Jake would sooner quit football altogether than transfer to Utah. ;-)

  • Mountain Cat Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Heaps chose poorly when he picked BYU. Doman's highly touted new offense was a bust, and the players around Heaps were caught in a world of confusion. Heaps did not have the support he needed because Doman was in the process of revamping everything.

    It is a tragedy that Heaps did not go to Stanford with someone like Harbaugh or to Cal with Tedford.

    He wasted two good years with wannabees. Fortunate for him that he is leaving. He may be able to salvage his career. The coaching talent at BYU is not commensurate with his talent and potential.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    "Doman invested a lot of time recruiting Heaps, building a relationship with him, and developing him as a quarterback." -- Jeff Call

    No he didn't. Heaps' parents are both Y grads, and Jake was born with a road map to Provo. Doman just happened to be the QB coach at the time Heaps committed. Looks like Doman is just trying to take credit for the perception of a "major recruiting coup" when he SHOULD be taking credit for not developing that player. The only "recruiting coup" Doman MIGHT be able to take credit for was committing Nelson while he was on his mission.

    Heaps leaving isn't really going to hurt the cougars, but his COMPLETE arrested development should be shining a major spotlight on Doman's coaching failure.

    Next Doman might start trying to take credit for Nelson's "gritty" and "instinctive" play. Nelson has talent, but he had those skills all along. He didn't get them from Doman.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    @ USALover

    "Maybe he read Vai's column telling him to leave.

    Thanks Vai! It's all your fault."

    Nice one! Now THAT was funny!

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Dustman, I can't ever recall hearing Doman or Mendenhall suggest that Jake needed to run the ball. I have never seen a quarterback miss as many throws to open receivers as Jake did this year. Doman ran the offense that gave JH the best chance of succeeding on the fied. It was Jake who missed receivers, failed to throw to the correct receiver, failed to read the defenses, and who failed to garner the trust of his fellow teammates. Heap's failure has nothing to do with the style of offense run, it has to do with his inability to perform on the field, period. I'm very disappointed in the man, not the player! Jake has great potential, but he should also be man enough to recognize that he might be able to learn from others. What is he going to do when he has the same problems at Kansas, Washington State, or wherever he goes? Probably quit!!

    Enough said.

  • selway Paul, Idaho
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    loveless, jake overthrew 3 or 4 deep balls but was actually very accurate most of the time. I remember a few timely drops by Mckay but his last two games he was over 75% on his completions. In the early season Apo really struggled and the running game was pathetic. He played really well his last 5 games last year. Give the guy a break mister perfect he is very young.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Ok since you didn't put the last one in, I'll fix it. Heaps lets his eyes water when he doesn't get his way. His mental toughness is in question.

  • Ballfan6 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    I still wish he would consider the U....

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Ballfan6, no one in their right mind would consider the school down south. come on get real.

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    ya see, ballfan6, I just lost my mind!! How one can choose the school up NORTH is beyond comprehension!!

  • Band Of Roscoes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    giantfan, I think its a valid question. You say Jake has no one to blame but himself as if coaching plays no part in college football. Even as Heaps is throwing a "plethora of over-thrown or of-the-mark passes, going 100 mph", his head coach describes him as "NFL talent".

    Maybe "NFL talent" is Bronco's secret code for "has an uncontrolled ego". I don't know. But for the average fan who was excited to see Heaps join the program, now there is a bit of doubt as to how Magnum will do. Hopefully the coaching staff learned a little about handling a highly-talented player, and the next one won't get away too.

  • wazzup?? Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    Jake lacked the confidence of his players as their quarterback. Plain and simple. His work ethic was far below the team's expectations, especially when they experienced Riley Nelson's leadership and interpersonal skills over the summer as they worked out together. Where was Jake? No where to be found.

    If anything, the coaches coddled the boy too long, and he couldn't stand up on his own two feet if his life depended on it. We all saw it unravel before our eyes.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    I'm tired of reading over and over again a false premise. The BYU offense at the beginning of this year was tailor-made for Jake's skills. Go back and read some preseason press (or watch a few games again). In no way did it rely on Jake's speed (or lack thereof). With Riley as the starter, the offense has changed to utilize his strengths. Doman knows enough to play off the strengths of the QB. I assume Doman will play to QB strengths going forward.

    What did hamper the team...and Heaps to an extent...was the lack of a consistent and effective running game, as well as some indecision and growing pains with Doman adding OC duties to his QB coach chores.

    Three things happened simultaneously that showed improvement: 1) a better running game; 2) an OC upstairs gaining experience; and 3) a generally softer schedule.

    Jake couldn't/didn't get it done on the field, under fire, for whatever reason. He was given a great shot. It didn't work. And he chose to leave. Best of luck to him as he goes elsewhere and pursues his dream of NFL glory.

    Beat Tulsa!

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Well, I know that Naval Vet is a U fan just trolling but Heaps' parents are UW alumus and Jake even stated that he grew up a Husky fan. Doman was recruiting head to head with Sarkisian when he was a new head coach up there. As a matter of fact Sark was not too happy with Heaps turning him down and coming down to Provo. He ended up doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff that negatively affected Brother Heaps custom home building business. The Heaps' family took a lot of heat locally for Jake's decision to play at BYU. Jake stated quite a few times that Doman is why he came to Provo.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    @vesparider

    You'll find that naval lint seldom, if ever, knows what he is talking about and even less seldom is he very truthful. His posts are actually great comedy.

    As far as Heaps is concerned you are correct, Heaps stated many times, including in his leaving interview, that Doman was the biggest reason for him coming to BYU. Unfortunately Heaps just didn't pan out here. Oh well. I wish he would have, I really do. I wish all the goals he had set for himself and BYU had happened as they were lofty and grand. But they didn't. I also wish he would have stuck it out and staid. So I wish him best of luck at wherever he winds up and look forward to BYU being better next season than they were this season.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Oh, and one other thing - isn't it an interesting coincidence how the Cougar offense miraculously started to click at the very moment Riley entered the second half of the Utah State game. Amazing, isn't it.

    You'll never convince me that JH didn't have his chances. I was beginning to wonder if BYU was ever going to win another football game before Nelson came in.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 20, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Band Of Roscoes | 2:29 p.m. Dec. 20, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Hopefully the coaching staff learned a little about handling a highly-talented player, and the next one won't get away too."

    Jake's situation wasn't because he was highly talented. I suspect Mangum will do just fine at BYU and won't need handling.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    Both parties appear to be Ok with Jake's decision. Obviously BYU will be OK because one player doesn't make a team. Time wil tell if Jake made the right decision.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Roscoe,

    There's no doubt Jake has talent and even "NFL talent". And what we also learned by watching Jake is that you need more than just talent to be a successful QB--at any level. And coaching has a lot to do with the success of a player, I know that. Where is it obvious, though, from our 30,000 ft view of the situation that it was a coaching problem? We're not privy to the conversations and practices that happen behind closed doors. What I was privy to, in the multiple games I viewed with my own eyes, is that Jake struggled when there was pressure, when the pocket collapsed. He seems to have only one speed in throwing the ball and really struggles in putting some touch on a throw to get it over a defender but have it land nicely in the arms of an open receiver. Whenever he sensed any kind of pressure, his accuracy decreased significantly. He may have all the talent in the world but if he can't solve the issues between his ears, I don't care who his coaches are, he will not be a successful QB.

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    bravo, giantfan!!

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    giantfan / Duckhunter,

    Mangum is a fine QB no doubt. However, he was not the state of Idaho's top HS QB this year. The ID HS POY went to the QB who's team beat Mangum's team in the state championship game. That QB gave his verbal commit to the University of Idaho. Just keeping things in perspective.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    *sigh* I wonder what he's doing right now...

  • Band Of Roscoes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    "Where is it obvious, though, from our 30,000 ft view of the situation that it was a coaching problem?"

    We don't know, but the article gives a strong hint:
    Mendenhall said he didn't necessarily try to convince Heaps to stay at BYU.

    "I just made sure he knew what he was choosing," Mendenhall said. "That's all I ever do.

    So you have a kid in a sophomore slump, trying to figure out if he fits in, trying to figure out why he is struggling, and he got a "meh - go if you want" attitude from the coaches. That's too bad.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    Y coaches also wanted into the Pac 10, the Big 12 and the Big East and got NONE of the above. Seems like 2011 will be the year of being left out for the Y.

  • Prep Fanatic Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    The division in the locker room started last year when the coaches didn't take control on the quarterback quandry. That is why the players played their hearts out for Riley and not for Jake. It was totally a different team in the second half of the Utah State game. It showed that the players had a different heart when Riley went in. Jake should've never played last year. The coaching staff screwed up by not redshirting him last year, which should have been their first order of business. Being a Jake Heaps fan myself, I'll admit it. He was no where ready to play at the division 1 collegiate level as a freshman. Lavell and Norm would've never let this happen. Brandon Doman openly admitted to this fact in an interview following a game this year. He finally took some blame for Heaps' lack of production and also said that they blew it for not redshirting him and letting him learn as a true freshman. I take my hat off to Doman for finally admitting this, but as for Bronco? You will never hear him say these things to the press. Jake will succeed, and BYU loses out.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    Actually, there's credit due to both the coaches and Jake for how they've handled this. They've really given the local Utah media nothing to cover, no story to write, just a lot of blatantly obvious conjecture and rumor mongering.

    I don't blame Jake for wanting to transfer. This shows he's a competitive kid, I just wish his competitive spirit would've led him to continue to try and improve so he could beat out Riley or take over after a R/S year when Riley graduates. I'm sure part of his consideration in this decision is the huge amount of fan expectation placed on BYU QB's and maybe he felt that the damage was already done and that he'd never be able to win them back.

    As for Doman, he seemed to be pretty forthright about things from his end and did a nice job of not speculating about Heaps' thoughts or feelings on the matter. Maybe there were some hard feelings on Jake's part and Doman seemed to be open to that fact but did a nice job staying out of the weeds.

    Both parties are behaving very classy in this split. Nice work to both sides.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    Jake should head to Hawaii to learn from Norm.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    Band Of Roscoes | 5:43 p.m. Dec. 20, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    ""I just made sure he knew what he was choosing," Mendenhall said. "That's all I ever do."

    So you have a kid in a sophomore slump, trying to figure out if he fits in, trying to figure out why he is struggling, and he got a "meh - go if you want" attitude from the coaches. That's too bad."

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • hrs4 Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Heaps would have had to redshirt whether he transferred or not. He was pretty much guaranteed the starting spot for his Jr. and Sr. year and he wouldn't have to learn a new system with new players. Why would he do that? This had to be a coaching issue. Doman blamed his losses on Heaps, how could he ever trust him again?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 20, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    I continue to be amazed at how many Ute trolls thought Heaps was the worst QB in FBS since the season began, and now they act like we have lost the best QB in the history of BYU.

  • yourmomgoestocollege Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 20, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    @utahbronco - top state quarterbacks don't commit to the University of Idaho. Just keeping it in perspective.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 21, 2011 1:45 a.m.

    I don't think that this is a good decision for BYU or Jake Heaps (as far as Football goes).... BYU more than likely will not have has good of QB in 2013 and 2014 as they would have had if Heaps was willing to show some patience and maturity and stay.... But BYU does have some good recruits in the pipeline and I am hopeful that they will recover... 2013 will be a wide open year for the position...

    I don't think that Heaps will do as well somewhere else as he would have done had he stayed... In 2015, I think that he would have been a First or Second Ronder, now I am afraid that he might be blowing his opportunity for NFL preparation and he is doing it for a stupid reason.... There are some pretty good NFL Qbs who came out of BYU and excelled because they Red Shirted a year.

    In many ways this reminds me of the Michael Loyd Decision.... BYU would be a much better team today had he stayed and he would have a much better shot at the NBA had he stayed....

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    @Patriot

    Truth alert!

    The Pac 12 was never an option for BYU, they've known that for 25 years.
    The Big 12 and BYU had talks, there "Was" interest from the Big 12 toward BYU.
    The Big East "Did" invite BYU, BYU said no thanks.

    And 2011 will be the Year a declining Utah team, could have actually backed into the Pac-12 Championship game, "If", they had only been able to beat one of the 5 worst teams in America, a team which had not won a road game in 5 years, even, the Colorado Buffalos.

    Colorado thanks you, for ending their infamous streak.

    Talk about Wananbees!

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    When the going gets tough,
    Heaps gets gone.

  • Prep Fanatic Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Jake Heaps will do just fine at Kansas under Charlie Weiss. Weis is brining in both Dayne Crist and Jake Heaps to run his offense. Crist has 1 year of elegibilty left and he will play nex year. Heaps will then play the following two years. There is good talent at Kansas with the receiving corps,and with the addition of Charlie Weiss, will do pretty well with these two quarterbacks. BYU will get to see just what Jake Heaps was capable of. Way to waste a 5 star athlete for Riley Nelson.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    @prep fanatic

    "way to waste a 5 star athlete for Riley Nelson"

    I'd rather have a 1 star athlete that gets his team mates to play hard for a whole game than a 5 star athlete that can't even get a receiver to finish a route for him.

    Heaps was in it for himself and his teammates could all sense it. Riley doesn't care about the NFL he wants BYU to win the game next week.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Prep Fanatic, it will be interesting to see if your predictions come true. Personally I feel that making predictions of outcomes over which I have no control is a good way to look foolish, but if that's your style, so be it. I never saw anything out of Jake Heaps that indicated that Charlie Weiss, Steve Sarkesian, Norm Chow or anyone else would have helped him more over the past two seasons. You don't need a great coach to notice from film that every single time you throw a long ball you overthrow, or that on short slant patterns if you burn it in there the receiver can't handle it. Isn't the definition of insanity still doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.

    Besides, we don't even know if Jake (or Dayne Crist) will end up in Kansas.

    As for wasting a 5-star athlete for Riley Nelson, Riley won games, Jake lost them. I don't know how it could be rendered any simpler for you. Jake wasted his own 5 stars.

  • Ballfan6 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Jake never had the respect of his own team. He has an NFL arm, whethere we like to admit it or not, he does. But He is not a leader. He fears taking a hit. He cannot run a team. It amazes me that he can end up somewhere like CAL, USC, or even Kansas. I'm interested and seeing what will happen, i wish him the best, but for him to be the best a lot has to change.

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Irt is funny how last year the Nelson v. Heaps situation was in reverse. BYU got destroyed by my Air Force Falcons. Nelson was terrible in that game. Heaps is smart to leave BYU. A new change will be positive for him.

    By the way, the teams with four and five stars are in BCS games. I know since I graduated from USAFA and we got one and two stars with a three star once in a great while. Ask Troy Calhoun if he would like a few four and five stars!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 21, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Prep Fanatic | 10:20 a.m. Dec. 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA

    "Way to waste a 5 star athlete for Riley Nelson."

    If you insist on following that line of logic, then it was rather a choice between a five star athlete and for sure one, probably two and maybe three more wins.

    If you had to choose between a five star athlete and the difference between 9 and 3 versus 6 and 6, you tell me. What is your choice?

  • Sentinel Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    Jake is no dummy. He got his free trip to Hawaii, then decided to tell the coaches what he had known for a long time. Yes, some will say he wanted to wait until the season was over. No. He wanted his free trip to Hawaii. and he wanted all the press about his leaving.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    @Osgrath...

    You are not being fair to PrepFanatic.... I also was very critical of Heaps.... He did not perform well or consistently (especially the first part of this season).... And I agree that the team didn't work as hard for Heaps as they did for Riley.... BUT, and there are lots of them...

    1) It's up to the Coaches to demand performance of the Players... Heaps should actually have gotten into their faces a little more when they dropped the ball or when protection broke down and he didn't... But he was young and the BYU players were older... So at BYU that becomes more of a Coach Problem in my opinion.
    2) Heaps would have had a stellar record for the latter part of the season as well... He QBd against much tougher teams.
    3) Doman is a Rookie OC that had trouble diagraming the Offense towards Heap's strengths... Doman himself was more of a Riley type of QB and his scheme was slanted towars more of an option QB.

    Truth is Heap's has better NFL oriented QB skills than Riley and will be a better NFL Prospect... He just needed to be sold on Red Shirting and preparation.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    After Heaps junior year in high school, and heading into his senior year when he decided to go to the Y, everyone but Y fans said that it was a bad idea for Jake to go to BYU if he wanted to become a NFL QB. The Y was quarterback U back in the 80's and early 90's, but they do not run that type of offense anymore. Bronco is a defensive guy, and Doman has no idea what he is doing. Collin Cowherd, Scott Van Pelt, Dan Patrick all thought that it was a bad idea for him to choose the Y over other schools. I guess they were right, and now the hype that was Heaps is gone. I think that is best for both parties that Jake transferred. However, if I were Mangum or Hill, I would be watching what goes on here in the bowl game, and the future with how the coaches run things down there in Provo. They may be better off not going to the Y to play QB.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 23, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    @Papa Smurf Ute

    Pretty sad attempt at spin.

    Of course U would like to see Mangum and Hill move on. Mangum won the Elite 11 camp, just like Heaps did. Hill was good enough for Stanford and then changed his mind.

    Mangum will be 21 years old before he takes a snap in a BYU spring drill and Hill already is a 21 year old Man. Like Nelson, they both will have maturity and toughness, unlike Jake, who took all this on as a WeeLad. In way over his head.

    Blaming BYU for Jakes ineptitude at BYU is so typical of a Liberal-Ute's way of thinking.

    Heaps problems were Heaps, not BYU's. He was given every opportunity to succeed. They were running a Pro-set for him this year. However, if you cannot complete passes in games and cannot demonstrate that you are a
    "Tough-Minded Football Player" then you won't succeed either.

    College Football has been littered with athletes who looked great in High School or in practice wearing the green jersey. See Todd Marinovich.

    No, Jake needs to adjust many thngs, and perhaps he can reach his full potential, but running, is usually not the answer.