BYU is so slow they may never win again.
Slow, or not, a 3 point loss going down to the wire to a top 10 team is a great
accomplishment. Last year the cougs would have lost by double digits as everyone
watched jimmer try to take on the great guards of Baylor by himself, while
everyone else just stood around and watched.This year's team, is just that
a team. They play well together and look to get the best shot available, they
will do well in their weakened conference, which will help with the seeding come
tourney time known as March Madness.
# point loss that game could have easily gone either way, nice job cougars keep
Dear Dick,BYU lost one game at home last season, which was to UNM
right after Davies was lost for the season. BYU lost to Wake Forest during the
2008-09 season. Not quite last year....."BYU cannot afford to
lull in offense like they did against a team like Baylor and expect to win. They
did this same thing against Wake Forest in Provo last year."
I agree that this was a costly loss. Nobody will care in March that it was
close. BYU already has one bad loss (USU) and no signature wins, with no other
stellar opponents on the schedule. They needed to beat either Wisconsin or
Baylor to have the resume for an NCAA at-large bid. Now, they must win the WCC
automatic berth or the best they can hope for is to be a bubble team, and maybe
on the outside looking in (just like St. Mary's was last year).In
order to get an at-large bid BYU would have to win all their remaining
non-conference games, all their games against the lower WCC conference foes, and
win at least 3 of 4 games against St. Mary's and Gonzaga. In other words, the
Cougars can only lose one more game on their remaining regular season schedule
and then hope--not an easy task when they have some tough road trips.
slsWhy the panic? BYU will be favored in 18 of their remaining 20
games, with the only games that they won't be favored at Gonzaga and at Saint
Mary's. Finishing 14-2 WCC, 26-4 Overall, is still very doable. Beating
Wisconsin or Baylor would have been great, but neither was a must win game for
BYU to get an at-large berth in the NCAAs.Current Sagarin
Rankings:#4 Wisconsin#11 Baylor#20 Saint Mary's#33
BYU#46 Gonzaga#47 Virginia Tech (oh yes, BYU still has a road game
against a good ACC opponent)#135 Utah State#187 Utah Valley#295 So. Utah#326 Utah
So...how bout them refs?
I like this team -- no, it's not a 25-30 win team but it is a very good 20-25
win team, certainly good enough after back-to-back 30 win seasons. Think about this: The top three point guards are all freshman and the shooting
guard has almost no playing time. By year's end, these guys are going to be
Great comments from the baylor coach and players regarding the fans. Classy,
clean and energetic. Always good to hear those types of things from the
opposing team. Good show cougar fans.
A disapointing loss but I was so proud of the class the students showed with the
big poster congratulating Baylor's Heisman trophy winner. That was really a
class thing to do. Way to be BYU students and fans. Having great sportmanship
in a game makes it ten times more fun. Makes me happy to be a BYU fan even if
the team loses.
>So...how bout them refs?Some of their calls in Baylor's favor
(and even a couple in BYU's favor) were so blatantly wrong that I actually
laughed out loud. It was almost like playing an away football game at a Pac-12
stadium. 5 against 8 is hard to overcome. That being said, Baylor did what they
had to do at the end, and BYU couldn't quite do what they had to do. It was a
good game, that almost made it worth watching basketball.
I am exited once again. The Carlino addition is a great gift to Byu Basketball.
Even though the turnovers were big issues, his wasn't the only one that hurt in
the last 2 min. A very lazy pass by Hartsock hurt, and Abouo's lack of handle on
the loose ball down court also hurt 'as well as the coaching staff not using
their time outs to play plan the last couple of key posessions following key
rebounds. Especially with a freshman new point guard on the floor. Carlino still
made tough shots and created space over very good defenders ,and ended up being
the high-point getter for the game. Not bad for a first varsity game and for a
This game had three firsts for the season. First game BYU lost with more than
70 points scored, the first game that Baylor alowed an opponent to score more
than 70 points, and the first game to go down to the wire. It was a great game
to watch even with the heartbreaking finish. Losing it will make it difficult
to get an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament. Too bad we can't count on Utah
winning in the weak PAC-12 to improve BYU's SOS. Maybe Oregon can do the heavy
lifting to improve BYU's post season outlook. Hopefully they will just win the
WCC tournament and not have to worry about an at-large bid.
The sad thing is, the comments of the players and the coach show that if BYU
were in one of the conferences it "was in talks with" and teams
visited on a regular basis, word would get around and non-LDS players would be
impressed and could be recruited to Provo.Oh, what might have
BYU carried two timeouts with them into the locker room at the end of the game.
Why?Coaches, coaches?? Anyone, anyone??
Interesting stats on the BYU losses to ranked teams this year:In
each loss, BYU has had a scoreless period of 4+ mins in the second half of each
game.In the losses to Wisconsin and Baylor, both the Badgers and the
Bears had players with career shooting nights (Brust for Wisconsin was 7-10 from
3, Baylor's Heslip was 6-10 from 3).Wisconsin ranks 37th in the
country in 3pfg%, averaging 40.2 percent per game. Against BYU, they shot 54
percent.Baylor is 57th in the country in 3pfg%, averaging 37 percent
a game. Against BYU, they shot 52 percent.BYU is 50th in the
country in 3 pfg%, averaging 39.8 percent a game. Against the Bears and the
Badgers, BYU was a combined 8/31 from downtown (26%).BYU's 3pfg%
defense is averaging allowing 30.2 percent per game. Wisconsin gives up 24.6
percent from threes a game, and Baylor gives up 32 percent from three per
game.To summarize, both games played against Wisconsin and Baylor
were statistical anomalies, with both the Badgers and the Bears shooting well
above their averages from 3 against a pretty good BYU defense. BYU shot well
below its average in both games which, along with the scoreless streaks in each
game for the Cougars, culminated in a blow out loss to Wisconsin and a
down-to-the-wire finish against Baylor.Props to both Wisconsin and
Baylor for making the shots needed to win. However, I feel that in both the
Wisconsin game and the Baylor game, we were right there with each team and the
uncharacteristically great 3 point shooting by the Badgers and the Bears, along
with our uncharacteristically poor shooting nights, was the ultimate difference
in the games.Am I reading too much into this? Probably :) But my
point is, BYU's got a really good team that can play with some of the best in
the country. Come tourney time, with a fully healthy and more experienced
squad, who knows what can happen?Go Cougars!
@truecoug 1Has it occurred to you that the career nights of 3-point
shooting from opponents might have something to do with BYU's defense?The BYU guards, as a group, have problems with shooting, decision-making, and
ball-handling. But their biggest defect is in how they defend (or don't).It was a good move to bring in a replacement for Dave Rice who can coach
the big men. It shows in their improvement. However, BYU really needs a good
coach to help the guards. Is there an Ainge available?