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Monday vigil remembers 2006 Swift raids; organizers see few immigration enforcement changes

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  • BO Holladay, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 2:52 a.m.

    Is this journalism? This article is so biased. Families need not be split. The entire family may join the illegal in their home state.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 5:31 a.m.

    Swift was engeaged in illegal activity by employing illegal aliens so I don't feel sorry for the owners and managers for any ill effects of getting caught. Now the plants employ legal US residents.

    All things considered, the raids were a resounding success story.

    As for the families broken up - when ANYONE breaking the law in ANY manner goes to prison, aren't their families broken up? You don't see sob stories published about them.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 5:47 a.m.

    Wow, they talk about how much it cost to re-hire and advertise for new jobs but says nothing about how much it cost the taxpayers to pay for these "undocumented" famiies education, welfare and health care! How about some figures on this DN! Let's follow many of these people to see just how much we the tax payers have to fork out to support these people. And then lets go to all the local businesses and see just the cost of all those spanish language signs they have to put up along with all the labels on every product. Let's look at all the costs. Sure, I hate to break up families, but are you going to tell me that they didn't think about that when they broke the law by entering this country in the first place? DN, your very liberal side is showing and it is not good. Where is your common sense.

  • md Cache, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    Let's get one thing straight. They are illegal, not "undocumented". Enough of the P.C. garbage.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    >spread fear

    When you're guilty of a crime--especially a crime as serious as intentionally breaching the borders of a sovereign nation without authorization--you'll have fear. ("Wickedness never was happiness.")

    There's one reason why I'm never afraid of being arrested for committing a crime.

    I. Don't. Commit. Crimes.

    Illegal entrants into the United States may want to try that policy to alleviate their fear...

    Integrity. What a concept!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Re: ". . . the raid . . . scared people, disrupted the business community and split up families."

    Isn't that what normally happens when criminals are arrested?

    Though most are aelf-proclaimed "egalitarians," liberals are quick to suggest that some criminals are WAY more equal than others. They'd love to watch Vice-President Cheney be frog-marched to jail, or President Bush be arrested for war crimes in Canada, yet they shed great crocodile tears over the family separation that illegals bring upon themselves.

    Apparently some families are more equal than others, too.

    It's funny how unabashed anti-family liberals quickly become born-again pro family zealots, when it serves their anti-American political purposes.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    While many of the undocumented workers returned to the United States, What a joke! This just shows the respect these people have for our laws. Oh but they are just working at jobs americans won't do. Most will break any of our laws if they think they can get away with. As far as Swift is concernced they also were thumbing their nose at the law thinking thay also could get away with it. I have no sympathy for any of them.

  • davidroy Flagstaff, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    And if they, the illegal immigrants, had decided to enter our country legally, there would not have been a raid five years ago. And if Swift had not exploited these illegals for monetary gain, there would not have been a raid five years ago. Do not attempt to lay a guilt trip on law abiding citizens when criminals are punished for their illegal actions. When are we going to start laying the blame for this illegal immigration problem where it rightfully belongs, on the corrupt Mexican government and certain U.S. elected officials who attract illegals with veiled promises of amnesty, strictly for political gain. Make no mistake, if the huge number of illegals in this country suddenly become legal...with the right to vote...this country will cease to exist as we know it. It will become a one party system and things will get very ugly.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Seven comments and all seven support our laws. Obviously the illegal aliens do not support or respect our laws. And I agree with BO, about the DMN biased reporting. How about an article on the citizens (and their families) that were able to find employment at this and other plants.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    And the Pharisees go on and on.

    They are the same ones who would have cried out "Crucify Him, Crucify Him!"

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    The only thing I think needs to be reformed about the law is this: when you are caught the first time, you are sent back to your home country. When you are caught the second time, you go to federal prison and spend your days building a wall along our border.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    @BobP

    "And the Pharisees go on and on.

    They are the same ones who would have cried out 'Crucify Him, Crucify Him!'"

    Overly generalized and simplified comparisons do not a point make.

    Being a Christian I'm sure you are familiar with Christ telling the Sinner to "Go and sin no more."

    This article is a shining example of how illegals care little for our laws. It is readily admitted that most that were deported are back in the U.S. working. In other words they are back to violating our sovereignty, stealing identities and falsifying documents.
    Are they following Christs edict to "Go and sin no more"? I think the answer is obvious.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    do they hold scandle light vigils for those that broke our other laws?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    American business could not make a profit unless they used illegal help. A Brazilian company stepped in, raised wages (up to $18 an hour) and has made a profit with legal workers.

    Those that break the law, break the family.

  • justaguy Out There in, WI
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    "... and employers whose attempts to verify the documents provided to them by employees proved to be futile."

    I'd be very interested to see this statement developed in this or another article. If employers are trying to hire only legal residents or workers legally in country but they can't guarantee that their efforts will uncover the illegal applicants I'd be interested to know what they're trying and why its not working. The lure of jobs seems to be the big draw, maybe that's where the efforts should be targeted, that and making it not so hard for people who want to be come citizens to do so.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Jesus also said to "render unto Ceasar the things that be Ceasar's" In this case, Ceasar said that thou shalt not enter until you pass the requirements. I doubt the ability to sneek under a fence or wade the Rio Grande is on the entrance specification sheet.

    If you are going to invoke Christianity, please use the whole plan and not just those parts that fit your argument at the time.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    procuradorfiscal | 7:47 a.m. Dec. 13, 2011
    "Though most are aelf-proclaimed "egalitarians," liberals are quick to suggest that some criminals are WAY more equal than others. They'd love to watch Vice-President Cheney be frog-marched to jail, or President Bush be arrested for war crimes in Canada, yet they shed great crocodile tears over the family separation that illegals bring upon themselves.
    It's funny how unabashed anti-family liberals quickly become born-again pro family zealots, when it serves their anti-American political purposes. "

    @procuradorfiscal, So you are saying that DN, which owned by the LDS Church, are liberals, anti-family- anti-American, etc., considering their views on illegals?????? Perhaps you should pay more attention to the labels you are using!!

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Just a comment about "immigration reform" that is mentioned so many times in articles like this. I think reform should mainly address employers who hire illegals and make some severe penalties and strict enforcement and, address what to do about public officials/politicians who take the oath to uphold our laws but DO NOT! Tweak the number of LEGAL immigrant visas allowed slightly, even though the USA does now take in more than any other country (25% of all countries total immigrants). The country in second place takes in only one third as many as the USA does. Viva Legal immigration.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    There should be immigration enforcement changes since that raid. We learned from the Tribune that a lot of the workers just claimed to be citizens and showed fake documents, thus letting them get away. Obviously the law enforcers should be validating citizenship claims to a higher degree. And, Swift itself did not get penalized as heavily as it should have. I would have considered RICCO charges and just seized the business, rather than having it sold. That kind of enforcement might get employer's attention.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Re: BobP | 9:20 a.m. Dec. 13, 2011
    "They are the same ones who would have cried out 'Crucify Him, Crucify Him!'"

    Is this some reference to the fact that Jesus taught that we should obey the law? We banned Jesus from our schools and public meetings and some people still want to bring Him out of the closet, dust Him off, and use Him to make some political point.

    For your information Jesus wasn't real big on adultery or abortions either so I suggest that we leave Him out of this political conversation.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    @BobP

    One BIG difference in your point....Christ was not breaking laws ! ! !

    So if you think that I would have been one of those who were yelling to "Crucify Him", you are presuming a lot. I am also resuming that you really do not even know what a Pharisee is. Please know what you are talking about before you post.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    I want to hold a candle light vigil for those that lost jobs due to Swift giving those jobs to Illegal Immigrants. I would also like to include in that vigil that American United States, Utah taxpayer for having to pay for the benefit packages and food stamps that the Illegal Immigrants that worked for Swift, used while they were working for them.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Dec. 13, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Rifleman:

    Why leave Jesus out? He is the Savior of all mankind. That you might not like it is of zero consequence.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    its funny that people say liberals,bout this article when most companies that hire illeagal people are conservative and pay the sub par wages. in the day they will say they want a fence and at night they hire people from mexico. you know that is the truth. money is the only god in this country.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Don't punish the illegals, punish those who hire them.

    Illegals wouldn't be here if they couldn't get jobs.

    If the jobs go away, the illegals will leave of their own accord.

    The solution is never as complicated as those in government would like us to believe.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    DF, punish BOTH the worker and the employer.
    But it's hard to hold the boss to account when our politicians refuse to make E-Verify mandatory. Leave them a gaping loophole and they will take it.
    In the end the root problem is the same; special interests getting there way while the laws of the land are trampled upon.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    Re: "its [sic] funny that people say liberals,bout [sic] this article when most companies that hire illeagal [sic] people are conservative and pay the sub par wages."

    History shows it's primarily the liberals -- like Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, and most of those President Clinton nominated to serve as judges and high government officials -- that pay those sub-par wages to the illegals they hire.

    It's really entertaining to watch the liberals bob and weave, trying to making cogent arguments out of emotional outbursts.

    They really ought'ta rethink trying to weave religion into their arguments. They're too unfamiliar with both the language and the concepts, and their ignorance just makes 'em look silly.

  • Karateka Stafford, VA
    Dec. 16, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Jesus and his family were undocumented immigrants to Egypt. Would you throw Jesus out of the country as well?