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  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    PAC 12...playing ACC...Utes v ramblin' Wreck...

    Beats Vegas...or Armed Forces... My opinion

    Go Utes

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    A season of growing pains but the Utes showed heart and took on some tougher teams than the band of little bunglers who got fat on WAC team combining only to win over one team with a winning record.

  • lordandrew1 Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Congrats on the bowl bid, Utes. Even if John White does play, though, the Utes must take this game very very seriously--Ga Tech's option offense is much tougher than Air Force's, to say the least.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    Utah vs. Georgia Tech in the Sun. That was what the pundits thought this past week, but it is gratifying to see it happen.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    Utes are going to play a respectable team from the ACC! Sweet! We have Chase Hansen and Travis Wilson to look forward to next year! Things are looking up in Ute land! :)

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    I love how the 1st 2 posts are utah "fans" referencing BYU. Little bros forever.

    LOL!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    I was hoping for Vegas because it was closer but this is a pretty decent match-up for both schools. Tech's old-school option attack vs. the U's stingy run defense makes a compelling match-up. The U. will need to find some offense to have a chance.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    things are looking up? going 4-5 and losing to the worst team in the Pac 10.2 sure shows that things are looking up....

    Georgia Tech 35
    Utah 13

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Jenny83

    Still December and already Utah fans can't wait for this year to end so they can look forward to next season.

    If finishing the regular season 7-5 with an embarrassing home loss to one of the worst teams in the country is what U consider "looking up in Ute land", the bar on the hill has really been set low.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    The Band of Lil Brothers kept touting Vegas Bowl for the Utes, a Bowl the Cougs can't even make now days!

    Its all Sun Bowl as expected!

    PAC 12 you gotta love it!

    This is just the beginning!

    Great job Utes!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    I understand the enthusiasm for going to El Paso for the Sun Bowl instead of Las Vegas, but why all the agnst against the Armed Forces Bowl?

    BYU is always and forever your number one priority, as expressed in these blogs; not nearly so much from Cougar fans against the U as Y haters in both threads.

    Get a life, Utes! If you're truly moved on, then MOVE ON. (But after the CU loss we know differently, don't we?) The only reason no one has mentioned '54 - 10' is because we'd throw "we're going to the Rose Bowl this year" back in your face.

    Here's a suggestion: Enjoy YOUR bowl and we'll enjoy OURS. And to show I'm serious, I'll pass on making a prediction about the Utah/Ga Tech score.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    1st year in the PAC-12 and we make the Sun Bowl. Not a bad year.

    Go UTES!!

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 4, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    Duckhunter...
    I didn't mention the team down south in my post...referenced two bowls...and my opinion of Utah's bowl invite compared to them.

    But while you are reading, can you let us k ow is Tulsa is D1 or D1-AA?

    Good luck

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    Come on, both fan bases, move on! Yes, the first 2 posts took a jab at BYU. Yet, several more BYU fans were busy making comments on this article on the Utes, making predictions how they'll fail, making references to the Colorado loss, still not coming to terms with the 54-10 blow out loss to the Utes, etc. It gets tiresome.

    It would be nice if both fan bases could tell each other congratulations and move on.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 6:56 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011
    Highland, UT
    I love how the 1st 2 posts are utah "fans" referencing BYU. Little bros forever.

    --------------

    Says a BYU fan who cares so much for Utah football that he posted on a Utah bowl article yet hasn't congratulated his own team on its bowl article.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    @ Quackhunter

    "I love how the 1st 2 posts are utah "fans" referencing BYU. Little bros forever."

    I love how Ducky always has been and always will be obsessed with the Utes. Your envy and jealousy shows through time and time again. Every time you post on a Utah board it proves my point. Go Tulsa!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Winning the MWC gets you...

    S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia
    TCU vs. Louisiana Tech (8-4 WAC Champ)

    I bet TCU is counting the days when they join the Big 12... while BYU counts the number of days between "discussions".

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    Good bowl opponent.

    Sun Bowl matches 2 teams from BCS conferences while Armed Services Bowl matches 2 non BCS conference teams.

    Looks like things are working out as they should.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    El paso? Huh. Fun? Really.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    @GoRed

    "It would be nice if both fan bases could tell each other congratulations and move on."

    I agree;

    Great jobs Utes on a awesome Bowl! with GeTech

    And to the Y and their Tulsa Bowl match up.

    Congratulations all you Band of Lil Brothers on your pathetic Bowl.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    6 straight years for the SEC.... It is them and then EVERYBODY else!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Just because a car is waxed, doesn't mean it's reliable. The Pac-12 and Sun Bowl are mild wax jobs, but the utes are still a clunker. Colorado and Washington State proves this.

    Georgia Tech 42
    Utah 3 Mark it down!

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    Too smart for you...
    I find these boards funny, entertaining and festive!! If we just congratulated and hugged each other virtually, I probably wouldn't tune in...

    Don'tet it bother you... It's free... It's silent and you have to go find it...it doesn't come knocking on your door or ringing your cell phone!!!

    Note to you...if you dial in...you will see fans jawing with other fans...I love it!!! I don't come here for warm fizzles...sorry you do...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    worf | 8:30 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011

    Newsflash your team got "waxed" by Utah.

    Just be happy that your team played a SOS of 97 and went 9-3. If you played a real schedule you get "waxed" to a 5-7 season.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    @Uteology

    Did Utah play a 'real schedule' this year. I recall reading about the embarrassment of the Pac 12 commissioner about the 'title' game. The Pac 12 South is an exceptionally weak division.

  • BT4UT Pleasant Grove, Ut
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    What a great year to be a football fan in Utah. Three teams in bowls. Two had exciting seasons overcoming big problems but they never gave up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited for all the games. Good luck to the Cougs and Aggies and especially to my UTES.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    Great bowl opponent? Really? Number 45 Georgia Tech? Just FYI Tulsa is ranked higher than both Utah and your opponent. Being in a BCS conference does not make you a good team, just look at Colorado! Oh wait, maybe a bad example for y'all. I do think this is a good matchup for you though. It there's one BCS conference weaker after the top two or three than the PAC 12 it's the ACC.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    I can think of two words that kind of sums up the Utes performance in important games this past year...

    Choke and embarrassment.

    We shall see.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 4, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Obsessed BYU fans like Ducky, Notsmartenough et. al. are out in droves once again drawn like I moth to a flame to anything doing with their BCS big brother on the hill in SLC. Your obsession would by funny if it werent so annoying. I know it hurts that Utah is going to a bowl game that actually has some tradition as well as against fellow BCS team. Your team is playing in a low level bowl against Conference USA middling team; seems about right; too funny that you set yourselves up for it every time.
    Utes better be ready for the Yellow Jackets as theyll want revenge for last time when they came in ranked and Utah smacked them around in San Francisco.

  • Summer Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    This should be a good match-up. One of the nation's best running offenses (Georgia Tech) vs. one of the nation's best running defenses (Utah). Utah's past experience against Air Force should contribute to their preparation and give them the edge, in my opinion. Still, the Utes never beat Air Force easily. But, having nearly a month to prepare will help a lot. Still, a tough game this will be. If Hays and the Utes can avoid turning the ball over, they will be tough to beat.

    Go Utes!

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    Funny how the sun bowl is now the new rose bowl..you have to love ute fans..lol

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    re: bballjunkie

    I'll take the sun bowl any day with a quality opponent like Ga. Tech vs. the Armed Forces Bowl and Tulsa. That independence thing seems to really be working out well so far doesn't it?

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    Vegas has the over/under at just over 3,000 ute fans showing up for this bowl. Anyone want to take the under with me? Outside of SLC the utes travel no one. Bet the Y outsells them 5 to 1. Enjoy el paso

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Classic match-up. Number 3 rushing offense in the nation against the number 7 rushing defense. Something will give.

    Georgia Tech, a great opponent. Fifteen straight bowl appearances. A team that defeated the number 5* team in the nation by 14 points. And losing to the number 10* team by 11 and losting to gthe number 13* team. (*ranking at the time their game was played)

    This year has truly been big-time football the the Utes.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    Sagarin Ratings

    Tulsa: 31
    Utah: 38
    BYU: 41
    Georgia Tech: 45

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    54-10:

    That will be the score next Saturday at halftime. Awesome!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    @Uteology 7:45

    You said, "1st year in the PAC-12 and we make the Sun Bowl. Not a bad year."

    Okay, if that what makes you and your fellow Ute fans feel better. At the beginning of the year when Ute fan after Ute fan said:

    "Mark it Down!"

    "Write it Down!"

    I know they weren't talking about playing in the Sun Bowl.

    At least you're looking on the bright side, Ute fans. And hey, you can always watch the Rose Bowl from the comfort of your own home.

    I know, I know, BYU fans have no business commenting on a Utah article since we're only playing in the puny little Armed Forces Bowl, right?

    But BYU fans weren't the ones spending months and months waving PAC-12 flags in people's faces yelling, "I'll be first in line to get tickets to the Rose Bowl."

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Okay U of U. Congrats on getting in the Sun Bowl.

    Remember, this game will be on CBS. Let's hope you play better than you did last season against Notre Dame on NBC.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    @ Tom in CA | 10:26 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011
    Vallejo, CA

    Well if someone gets hurt, maybe you can show your enthusiasm just like last time.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    Classic little brother behavior from the kids on the hill; more concerned with where their big brother is playing, than with who the Utes are playing.

    (You're not fooling anybody indycrimson; you didn't just randomly happen to mention the bowl game BYU is playing in in your comparison.)

    It's nice to see our little brothers so giddy with excitement over the prospect of spending New Years Eve in El Paso.

    btw,

    BYU's "non-BCS" opponent, Tulsa(8-4), is ranked 31st by Sagarin
    Utah's "BCS" opponent, Ga Tech(8-4), is ranked 45th by Sagarin

    As is usually the case, the Cougars will be playing the higher-ranked bowl opponent.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    @Rock Of The Marne 9:37

    The first part of your comment is laughable since there are just as many Ute fans trolling the Cougar Armed Forces bowl article as there are Cougar fans trolling this one. Just be honest with the fact that, no matter what, you and most other Ute fans are still obsessed with BYU. Even though you're in the PAC-12, the Cougars are still the team you love to hate.

    In fairness, the second part of your comment is surprisingly insightful. The Utes better not go into the Sun Bowl as arrogant as 90% of their fan base.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    @indycrimson
    "But while you are reading, can you let us k ow is Tulsa is D1 or D1-AA?"

    That's silly. Tulsa is a good team that is only 8-4 because it faced Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Boise State, and Houston.

    @Rational
    "Utah: 38
    BYU: 41"

    Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the two teams have similar skill levels... well, pretty obvious to those that look beyond an overall record and realize that Utah beat BYU as much as they did in part because Wynn and Heaps played rather than Hays and Nelson.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    pebbles

    Your obsession about other people's obsession is hilarious. Glad it's annoying.

    In what world will the Utes win against GaTech after losing to powerhouse Colorado?

    A Ute fan's mind, a funny thing to play with.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    @ indycrimson

    So you haven't really moved on; you've just moved over. Ok.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 4:08 a.m.

    Congrats on the bowl bid. Looking forward to this game with a tough opponent.

    Go UTES!

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    Utah has had a very solid year under trying circumstances. I'm excited to watch this game and will root for Utah. It's fun to both hate and love Utah. I'm the youngest in the family with my Dad and half of the family going to Utah, me and the other half BYU. Classic "Holy War"

    Best of luck! See how much you can build on this for another run at the PAC12 next year.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 6:22 a.m.

    Congratulations to the Utah football team. You guys worked hard and, even though you lost your last game to Colorado, you still turned your season around and became bowl eligible. Now go get Georgia Tech at the Sun Bowl!

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    to 17-14 hurts you are saying that byu is not an important game to utah wow

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    Cougar fans seem obsessed with Utah' s conference, TV deal, bowl game, etc while conveniently forgetting that their team got drilled on their home field by the Utes. No doubt the Utes had a difficult first year in the PAC-12, and BYU has a good record against their Indy schedule but let's not forget the result of the rivalry game. Also, BYU went 1-3 against against the decent teams on their schedule (Texas, Utah, Utah State, TCU).

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    Enough trash!!

    Both Utah and BYU played very similar season. They won expected games and lost the expected ones. Both had major disappointments they would love to replay.

    Both had a major QB change that, for better or worse, greatly impacted their season.

    To start the year, everyone knew that Utah would have a much harder schedule than BYU simply because BYU had to patchwork a schedule together at the last minute.

    Everyone is somewhat disappointed with both seasons. Both could have done better. Both should have done better. Utah did not want to end up in El Paso they wanted a Rose, Alamo or Holiday Bowl.

    BYU knew going in exactly where they would be playing, Fiesta if undefeated or AFB if not.

    Everyone also knew that Utah would not get any bowl revenue from the PAC. They will get 750K expense money for this game only. It is their PAC buy in.

    Everyone also knew that this year would be different for BYU because of the strange schedule but it would be a bountiful revenue year. Far better than any in the past.

    Both teams had good and bad this year. All Enjoy! Quit Hating!!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    At least the focus won't be fully on their basketball team for another few weeks.
    All the good things that are happening for the Utes and they still have a major inferiority complex. Just can't help but bring BYU into it even on a Ute article. Talk about a little brother mentality.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    @ TJ

    " Talk about a little brother mentality."

    Thump!

    That was the sound of Big Brother thumping, Band of Lil Brothers on the head 54 -10.

    Nice try Band of Lil Brothers

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Well those 1st 2 posts were hilarious but then this thread got even better. LOL!

    A very special thanks to pebbles for coming along and really making my day!

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Best of luck to my Utes brethren. Enjoy El Paso in the winter! Don't worry that you could have competed in the Pac 12 Championship with a chance to play in the Rose Bowl but for a little loss against ... Colorado? No worries though. El Paso and the Sun Bowl offers a lot of holiday pageantry.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Excited for this matchup. It will be a great challenge, but I have faith in our coaches.

    GO UTES!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    alternate:

    "Everyone also knew that Utah would not get any bowl revenue from the PAC. They will get 750K expense money for this game only. It is their PAC buy in."

    Nope. That wasn't the deal. The Pac-12 "buy-in" was no "TV" revenue in 2011; not no "Bowl" revenue. Utah's conference buy-in included a graduated stream of TV money over the next 3 [50% in 2012, 75% in 2013, and a full share thereafter], but we will be getting collecting a FULL share of bowl revenues [nearly $2.7M], plus ANOTHER full share of CCG money [over #2M] immediately. For 2011, Utah hauls in greater than $4.77 million from the Pac-12.

    While Boise St. may be the best team in the MWC, TCU was that conference's champion, and thus should have earned the Las Vegas Bowl bid. Even from a marketing standpoint, BSU played there last year, whereas TCU never had. Nevertheless, the Las Vegas Bowl hasn't been known for showing a lot objectivity in who they invite. I'm glad we're out of that league. Sun > Las Vegas > Armed Forces.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    @naval lint

    But of course you aren't going to the sun bowl. Neither are 99.999999% of all other utah fans. I'll be shocked if utah has 3000 fans at the game. But keep telling us how great it is to be going to el paso and how prestigious and lucrative it is, blah, blah, blah. The truth is almost none of you will go to it so any trumpeting of it's greatness is pure hyperbole. But of course we expect nothing less from utah "fans".

    LOL!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Why are fans possessed with how much money the bowl pays? I've been cheering for BYU for 20+ years and I have yet to get a single penny of any bowl payout. And I am guessing that none of you have gotten any of the money either.

    As a fan I care about two things. I care about the oppenent and the destination.

    BYU vs Tulsa and Utah vs GTech should be good match-ups this year. At least they look like good match-ups on paper. BYU is ranked 29th and Tulsa is ranked 34th in AP. Utah is ranked 51st and GTech is ranked 37th according to CBSSports.

    Last year was awful. I think everyone knew that BYU would clobber UTEP, and Boise State would clobber the Utes. Both were mis-matches. If the Utes would have slipped to the Vegas Bowl this year, that would not have been a good match-up with TCU. I feel sorry for the Sun Devils.

    As for destination, Dallas is a great place to go for the Armed Force Bowl. But if I was a Utah fan, I would not be looking forward to spending New Years Eve in El Paso.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter: Regardless of what bowl Utah ended up in this year, I wasn't going to be able to go. But then again, I'm also not going to your little brother bowl, so I guess I don't care which city is more exciting. I'm stuck comparing "meaningless" things like how much more prestigious and lucrative the Sun Bowl is. Have fun at your little brother bowl.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Haha so Quackhunter, now you're coming on our articles to tell us we're not allowed to be happy about our team's superior bowl game unless we're actually able to attend in person right? Jealousy is an ugly thing.

    You are completely obsessed with Utah football.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Quacky,

    Were you the guy that got shot by your dog while hunting?

    The Sun Bowl is a better bowl than the Armed Forces Bowl in terms of prestige, payout, level of competition, and exposure and we all know it. Own up to it!

    I know you won't because Y fans never own up to anything. Any shortcoming in the BYU sports program is always explained away with excuses and "what ifs" rather than accountability and giving credit to other programs. Maybe that is one of the reasons that the ship has sailed away and U're still standing on the dock.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    My bad . . . just realized BSU is in Vegas bowl, not TCU. How did that happen? I thought TCU was the MWC Champion and MWC Champ went to Vegas.

    Also, how did Virginia Tech end up in a BCS bowl? There were four or five better options available for an at large bid.

  • The Warrior Ute SANDY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    9th straight bowl game for the Utes and they've only lost one of the past 8. That's impressive!

    Georgia Tech will be a tough game for Utah. As a fan though, that's what you want to see.

    Go Utes!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    Look at G-techs rambling wreck schedule, they aren't some juggernaut as Utesies will now be pumping up all month. And now the Sun bowl is the most prestigious bowl ever. Uh huh the nation will be sitting on pins and needles tuning in this game, just waiting to see if Hays will actually throw and complete a pass. Little Sisters will lose big. Also please start spouting about how El Paso is now the next best thing to the Caribbean.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    johningle jinglehampersmittter

    17-14 hahaha the best ending to a season ever!!!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    johnjaconbunglerhammershmert

    so how does that 17-14 look on that mighty Ute resume for the BCS game they are going to? what? they aren't going to a BCS game? how can this be?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    johmmyjacklebunglehamperschmittt

    17-14 to a 2 win team at home!!!! even Colorado fans feel bad for your team.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    hahah nice spin. So how is the Sun bowl soooo superior?? Money? whoop dee doo. all that previous BCS money the utes received sure has put them on top. Is it the venue? El Paso? Really?? Is it the teams? Not a chance. Not sure how the Sun bowl just became one of the top 5 bowls in the nation all of a sudden. More people will tune in the Byu bowl than this one.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Congrats to all three Utah D-1 football programs for their bowl games. Proud of all three for recovering from early-season oblivion and painful unexpected losses. Mediocre seasons (or at least less than anticipated) for all three teams. Hope all three win their bowl games for the good of the entire state.

    Mediocre seasons (or at least less than anticipated) for all three teams.

    At least we have basketball season to look forward to, where three or four of the six (counting Weber State/UVU/SUU) should go dancing in March.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Love the utah "fan" responses LOL!

    That said playing GT in this bowl is definately a better thing for the utah program than getting the living snot kicked out of them by Boise in the Vegas Bowl would have been. utah might actually have a chance to win this game. Of course no utah "fans" will be at the game, and I don't blame them, but the program itself at least has a slight chance for a victory whereas they had zero chance if they had to play either Boise or TCU in those schools bowl games.

    But if utah "fans" are going to claim this is somehow a "great and presitigious" bowl game then they better buy some tickets and go because that is what actual fans do when their team is going to a "great and prestigious" bowl game. If they do not attend in anything resembling decent numbers then it proves the game itself is in a lame location and isn't all that prestigious. Well either that or it proves utah "fans" really aren't fans at all, they simply latch on when the going is good.

    Which is it?

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Wow, I think jarka-rus has just given us a new definition of obsessed.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    re: Utesby3
    Unlike U, I do support my team and will be going to the bowl game. I'm glad it's in Dallas, not El Paso.

    Unfortunately, there are many more Ute fans like you who do not support your team and will not be traveling to El Paso (or to the Huntsman Center). When the Bowl committees see how Utah fans do not travel or support your teams, that will affect future bowl offerings. I'm sure there will be more Yellow Jackets than Red Jackets in the stadium, even though they have further to travel.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    Thanks to the PAC-12 sending two teams to BCS bowls. That moved everyone up a bowl.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    I haven't bothered to read the article nor the comments on BYU's bowl bid because I simply don't care. It's interesting how many zoobies are on here commenting on Utah's bowl bid.

    Sad, isn't it?

    Oh, and in case you'd forgotten: 54 - 10, boys. It doesn't matter how many WAC teams you've beaten this year. That score will remain.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    We'll be at the Utes bowl game. Not too excited about El Paso, but GT should be a good challenge and 8 of the last 9 years, the game has been a lot of fun. Hope John White IV is healthy.

    Go Utes!

  • GOUTES8888 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    Reading a few of these comments was certainly entertaining Its clear that some of these BYU fans were actually educated at BYU, because they cannot think, or do research for themselves. I read a post that claims BYU is ranked higher in the Sagarin Ratings than Utah Hmm Well a simple Google search disproves that.

    BYU 41
    UTAH 38

    Also, as a point of interest I took a quick look at the Sagarin Ratings of the teams that both Utah and BYU beat this season.

    UTAH wins:
    BYU 41
    UCLA 52
    PITT 56
    Arizona 62
    Washington State 77
    Oregon State 82
    Montana State 86

    And now for BYUs Drum roll please:
    Utah State 73
    Oregon State82
    UCF83
    San Jose State94
    Hawaii96
    Ole Miss107
    New Mexico St131
    Idaho139
    Idaho State205

    If I did this for TULSA, it might make people throw up. GO UTES, GO TULSA!!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    Good luck in your bowl game, Cougars.

    The Utes had better play a lot better than they did the last time they took the field. Their game against Tech is winnable, but only if Utah plays well.

    The matchup of Ga Tech's ground game against Utah's solid defense will be worth watching.

    Hays progressed nicely in the latter part of the season. Hopefully Coach Chow can add a few wrinkles to the offense to make it more productive.

    White, Christopher, Brenner, and Kruger got dinged in the season finale. I hope they can get back on the field as they are all key to Utah's success.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    @golfrUte

    There we go, a true Utah fan. Honest about el paso not being a great place to go but going to support the utes anyway. Now if you can convince a few more actual fans to go with you then you guys can represent. Good luck!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    @Utah'95

    Are you going? Either way good luck, as one of the good Utah fans on here I wish success for you and your team.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    I guess after 54-10, it's back to attendance smack talk from disgruntled Cougar fans.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    @jarka-rus

    SOS

    Georgia Tech #71
    BYU #94

    If you want to bag on Georgia Tech's SOS, what does that mean for you Cougars SOS?

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    @ bballjunkie

    "Funny how the sun bowl is now the new rose bowl..you have to love ute fans..lol"

    Funny how the Helicopter Bowl is now the new Vegas Bowl...You have to cougar fans...lol

  • Portland Beavers SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    So are you going to see the y play in their bowl game? Or are you going to go to El Paso since you are so jealous and obsessed with the Utes. OR are you just dog'n on fans that cannot go and telling us we are not true Ute fans. I will be there but I know a few people who will not because of expences, work, or family I know it's an excuse but that's what y fans live buy. Nothing but one great big giant excuse after another, "7 turnovers, we gave the game to Utah" and they just keep coming.

    This is to all you y fans really not just DH

    jarka-rus 4 in-a-row, little obsessed buddy. You guys lost to a pair of 7-5 teams and one of them absolutley made not only the fans, but the coaches and players give up. All of you GAVE UP. Dang-I'm just making up another excuse for you.

  • Y Eng PROVO, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Just wanted to point one thing out: Utah only beat two teams with a winning record this season: BYU and Montana State. At least all of BYU's losses were to teams with winning records. Can't quite say the same about Utah... Just thought some of you might want to know.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 5, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Thank you for the well-wishes. I won't be attending the bowl game. I already used my "travel to see the Utes" budget for the year.

    I traveled from Spain last year to watch my Utes play poorly at Notre Dame.

    This year, I traveled to SLC to see their Pac-12 opener against Washington.

    My head tells me that Utah's performance on the field has nothing to do with whether I attend, but my heart has convinced me that there must be some connection.

    I used to think that I was good luck for my team, but the last two years suggest otherwise.

    With financial constraints and crazy superstitions to deal with, I had better stay away....

  • dfoke05 Menifee, CA
    Dec. 5, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Utes fans are saying "Whew!!!" Thankful they didn't go to the Las Vegas bowl and get blown out by BSU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 5, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "But of course you aren't going to the sun bowl. Neither are 99.999999% of all other utah fans."

    With a game falling on a Saturday, I CAN [and WILL] go to El Paso. Not that it should matter to you; especially since the Sun Bowl has historically had nothing to do with either you OR your irrelevant mid-majorey program.

    Incidentally, I'm quite certain that over 99% of YOUR fans won't be going to Dallas, so it seems awfully hypocritical of you to post such irrelevant nonsense regarding a program you obviously know nothing about. But then again, as a cougar fan, that is well within your M.O.

    And speaking of those cougar-faithful 99%-ers, what happened LAST postseason? Only 32,424 fans showed up, and most of them were UTEP fans. New Mexico's University Stadium seats 39,224. And with a 1.8 Nielsen rating, your NM Bowl was the lowest rated game in that bowl's 5-yr history. How embarrassing for you.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    @: CougFaninTX | 10:48 a.m. Dec. 5, 2011
    Frisco, TX

    "re: Utesby3
    Unlike U, I do support my team and will be going to the bowl game. I'm glad it's in Dallas, not El Paso."

    I do support my team, as I have had season tickets for the past 5 years, and have also been to bowl games and other road games when I am able. As I said in my post, I CAN'T go this year, much to my disappointment. Have you been to every bowl game BYU has been to? How many BYU games have you attended this year? If both answers are 100%, then I congratulate you for being BYUs number one Superfan. Otherwise you have nothing to brag about.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    @naval lint

    But of course with the size of BYU's fanbase the stadium isn't big enough to even hold 1% of us.

    And I doubt highly you are going to el paso, frankly you aren't going and just won't admit it.

    One of my buddies that is a good Utah fan tells me that there are no direct flights from SLC to el paso, I knew that already but he confirmed it, that the cost of a ticket for even an indirect flight (the best he found had 3 stops) was around $1000 and that the most cost effective way to get there from here is to fly into Albuqurque then take a bus for the 4 hour drive to el paso, and in short he won't bother. He goes to quite a few road games and all of the bowl games for the last several years.

    He is typical of Utah fans and almost all of you will simply be watching it on tv.

    I don't really care but I do find it funny how you keep hyping it as some prestigious game but almost none of you are going to go to it.

    LOL!

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Why the obsession with all things Utah football? As a Cougar fan I would think you would put your energy behind anyone but the Utes.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    @ Cougars - Foolish Little Brothers
    10:34 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011
    Anaheim, CA

    A perfect example of "Little Brother Syndrome". Here we have a little brother (byu) who thinks and acts like he is the big brother, he pounds his chest and talks a lot of smack. Then one day big brother (Utah) comes down to Provo and beats up on little brother 54-10 in front of a national audience. Now little brother is having a temper tantrum because big brother has pushed little brother aside to hang out with his new friends (Pac-12 schools) and little brother is left at home sitting in the corner by himself (Independence).

    Hang in there little brother!

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Why the obsession with all things Utes?

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Dec. 5, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    Mark it Down:

    Utah won't have 3,000 fans at their bowl game.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Dec. 5, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    GOUTES8888

    "I read a post that claims BYU is ranked higher in the Sagarin Ratings than Utah"

    Great example of a Utah education... no reading comprehension.

    No posts implied anything of the sort, but they did state, quite clearly, that Sagarin ranked both BYU AND BYU's OPPONENT higher than Utah's opponent.

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan of many years, graduated from the U. Go figure, not hard.

    Great Matchup for the TUN. Can't wait to see the game and cheer for the boys in red. Go Utes.

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    @ 17-14 and Disgruntled:

    If you are or claim to be BYU fans, your pathetic negative comments are the embarrassment here, not the Utes bowl matchup. Raise the bar a bit people.

  • tcom2011 Fort Worth, TX
    Dec. 5, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    This should be a good match up. I am surprised though wasn't it the sun bowl BYU was in last year? Same bowl but it landed an ACC team, hopefully it will be a good game, Good luck Utes! Go BYU go UofU

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Utes have won 7 out of the last 10 games at LES! How swwwweeeeeet it is!!!!!!!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 5, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Nice match-up.

    Here's hoping Hays can channel his inner "Ratliff" for the game.

    Duckhunter and CougFaninTx, congrats on being the world's greatest superfans, but what's so wrong about watching the game on TV?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    @MiP

    Nothing is wrong with watching it on tv. But for the last couple of weeks we have read over and over again from the utah "fans" on here what a prestigious bowl game the sun bowl is and how great the destination is. So my point is that if the sun bowl is so presitgious and the destination is so great then why aren't the utah "fans" on here heading down en masse?

    You know how things work around here, utah "fans" figure utah is going to the sun bowl so they tell us all how great it is, BYU fans point out it's in el paso which is a complete armpit of a destination, utah "fans" get worked up and ridiculously claim going to el paso is better than going to Dallas, San Diego, Las Vegas, BYU fans mock and laugh at them over and over again, utah "fans" keep insisting the sun bowl and el paso are awsome, the payout is better, and other far fetched claims as to why it is going to be so great, etc.

    But when it came down to it utah "fans" aren't going to this great and prestigious bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    The problem with the "7 turnovers we gave the game away" BYU crowd is the fact that Utah was up 24-10 with a 3-2 TO margin in the middle of the 3rd. At that point BYU was averaging less then 7 points per game in the second half. It wasn't until until 4th game did BYU score more than 7 points in the second half.

    So go ahead BYU fans spin it Heaps.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    My bad, I BYU did score 14 points on Ole Miss but 7 points were by the defense.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    I turn to an article about Utah's bowl game and all I find is posts like this:

    Jenny83 - Utes have won 7 out of the last 10 games at LES!

    Obsessed much, Utah fans!

    The thought of Utah fans leaving BYU in their dust is so absurd, it's beyond comprehension - Utah fans eat, sleep, and breathe BYU. It's what they do.

    btw, who was it again that the Utes were playing in some bowl in west Texas that NOBODY will be going to?

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    I've talked to lots of friends and not a single one of them is planning to the game - too far, too expensive, and nothing to do once you get there. The Utes could easily lose money on this bowl having to eat several thousand tickets.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    Uteology

    Are you really going to try to argue that two road games against SEC and Big 12 opponents is an adequate sample size to draw any conclusions whatsoever about BYU's scoring potential against Utah?

    The truth is, even with a gift TD, Utah still only led 14-10 at halftime. It's funny how you only use Sagarin when he supports your own biases.

    After all of your meaningless spin, Sagarin barely rates Utah ahead of BYU.

    #38 Utah 75.99
    #41 BYU 75.22

    With a home field advantage of 3 points, Sagarin would favor BYU if the two teams were playing tomorrow in LES.

    The only thing Utah's 44-point spread back in September proves is that Utah was better than BYU for one seven-turnover plagued night.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    UoU 1991

    Please don't tell Howard S!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    Nothing wrong with watching a game on television, but the myth that Utah fans travel to support their team will be firmly laid to rest when the Sun Bowl is a sea of empty chairs on New Years Eve.

    This may well be the lowest attended Sun Bowl in the last 50 years.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 6, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    Checked Stubhub for ticket prices:

    Sun Bowl - Priced from: $19
    Armed Forces Bowl - Priced from: $41

    El Paso or Dallas? hmmm, tough to choose

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    @scott

    I couldn't agree more. The stadium will be a barren wasteland perfectly matching the surrounding area.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    You're flip flopping again Mitt, I mean Ducky.

    Facts are as follows:

    Sun Bowl is clearly higher up on the Bowl Game heirarchy than the Armed Forces Bowl.

    Sun Bowl pays out more per team and it's not even close. Projections are $4M for the Sun, $1.2 for the AFB.

    Sun Bowl is seen on CBS, by many more viewers than ESPN or BYUTV. I thought Exposure equated to more presitge, at least according to your fanbase?

    El Paso is a dump, can't imagine anyone not agreeing with that. It's very difficult to get to, and expensive. Not a lot of Utah fans will make the trip, for those very reasons. They'll sit at home and watch the Utes live on CBS, getting the Exposure of the entire nation, not the Cable-watching nation.

    Sun Bowl features a good BCS opponent, not another mid-major opponent as the AFB does.

    As BYU fans have been proclaiming for a year, doesn't matter where the game it, when it is, and who the opponent is, if it gets you Exposure it's a GREAT thing. Right Ducky!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    @lukeskywalker

    BYU and Utah do not play again this year. They already did, Utah won by more than 6 touchdowns, on BYU's homefield.

    And yes, if BYU didn't turn the ball over 7 times, the score is different.

    And if BYU scored more than Utah did, they would have won the game.

    And if Utah hadn't have failed to turn trips inside the 10 into touchdowns instead of field goals, they win by 60.

    And if Jordan Wynn doesn't get hurt in that game, Utah plays in the first ever Pac-12 title game with a good shot at the Rose Bowl.

    And if Coleman Peterson doesn't miss 3 FG's, Utah still plays in the title game with a terrible QB.

    And if Bama makes their FG's, they play OSU for the BCS title.

    And if BYU doesn't have to settle for their second choice Bronco, perhaps they accomplish the ellusive "Quest" with Kyle at the helm.

    Stop making excuses, nobody cares what could have happened.

    54-10 did. Fact.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    @lukeskywalker

    "El Paso or Dallas? hmmm, tough to choose"

    Not for BYU.

    They've proven they will always choose the path of least resistance.

    They'll take non-BCS teams on the schedule over BCS teams anyday of the week.

    They'll take a WAC defacto title over scheduling real games anyday of the week.

    It's pretty clear what BYU chooses.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    @Swoop

    "btw, who was it again that the Utes were playing in some bowl in west Texas that NOBODY will be going to?"

    Georgia Tech.

    The same Georgia Tech BYU fans were so excited to schedule a series with a few months ago.

    Georgia Tech who will be the 11th team from a BCS conference Utah faces this year.

    While Tulsa will be the 9th mid-major team BYU will face this season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 6, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    tcom2011:

    "I am surprised though wasn't it the sun bowl BYU was in last year?"

    No. The cougars were too mid-majorey for that bowl game. They played in the New Mexico Bowl. The cougar's bowl opponent, UTEP, was FROM El Paso. You just confused the bowl game with their bowl opponent.

    Duckhunter:

    It makes no difference to me whether or not there are any direct flights from SLC to El Paso. For starters, I'll be flying in from Philadelphia. Secondly, I don't require direct flights anyway. If my flight will be 6 1/2 hrs long, causing me to not check into my hotel until a little after midnight because I have to do a stopover in Chicago, so be it. It's not like I need to be at work in the morning. I drove 5 1/2 hrs to the Pitt game earlier this year, so what's one more hour?

    How sad for you to have to watch your mid-majorey cougs playing another mid-majorey also-ran CUSA opponent in a bush league $600K bowl game that nobody cares about while your big brother up on the hill gets to play in a meaningful major bowl vs. a meaningful ACC opponent.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Dec. 6, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    BYU finished their Pac 10.2 schedule with a better record than utah. They went undefeated in the SEC just like LSU. Lost only one Big 12 game, lost one MWC game and went undefeated in the WAC. Not a bad year for the Cougars.

    Finished the regular season rated # 26 by the Coaches. Not a bad year at all.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    Cali Coug:

    "Finished the regular season rated # 26 by the Coaches."

    Not according to the Coaches poll. I just looked. In the Coaches poll, No. Illinois was the first team left out of the Top-25. In the AP, it was Notre Dame. The fact is, the cougars didn't receive ANY votes in EITHER poll. But at least you DID finish 9-3, and ARE satisfied playing a bunch of weak SOS WAC/C-USA/FCS teams.

    "The model has been set." -- Bronco Mendenhall, Jan. 2008

    No wonder you "successfully" steered clear of scheduling more than 3 AQ schools.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    If Duckhunter is really interested...

    Cheap non-stop flight to Albuqurque on Delta SkyWest. Drive to ELP for first night for bowl activities and the game, in Santa Fe for New Years Eve.

    Jealous?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    @Cali Coug

    Translation...

    The Cougs carefully navigated the 94th toughest schedule in the country to a 9-3 record.

    That SEC team won 0 SEC games.

    In the Pac-12, BYU defeated a bowl unelligible OSU team, and got throttled at by a 4-5 team at home.

    But I actually see many BYU fans agreeing with you.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Dec. 6, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    To me playing at noon on CBS Dec. 31st. is a great venue and big for the school as the national exposure and press will be all over the story.. BYU's bowl ?
    Not so much.
    Duckhunter --you blew your chance at credibility when you ducked and covered after the 54-10 victory on Provo.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 6, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Worf - you predicted 42-3. I would be happy to take 39 points a make you a wager on the outcome of the game.

    A-1994 regarding Utah's schedule let me recap for you. Ranked #37 for SOS, played 6 bowl teams + USC but don't let facts get in the way of the opinions you post.

    Cougars - Wise Older Brother - since your team 'as usual' plays higher ranked teams in bowls, remind me how highly ranked UTEP was last year compared to Boise State; or 2008 when we played #2 Alabama. Then there was 2004 (actually our bowl was 2005) and 2003 when you played nobody. Another post that doesn't let facts get in the way of an opinion.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    skywalker | 11:37 p.m. Dec. 5, 2011

    Are you really going to try to argue that two road games against SEC and Big 12 opponents is an adequate sample size to draw any conclusions whatsoever about BYU's scoring potential against Utah?

    --------------

    Yes, since Utah has a better defense then both Ole Miss and Texas.

    Also, a 4-7 D2 team Southern Illinois scored 24 points on Ole Miss 7 days after BYU's offense managed to score 7.

    And the sample size includes 2 road games plus 3/4 a home game because you were down 24-10 by the 3rd quarter with 3-2 TO margin.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 6, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    Uteology

    You do realize how absolutely meaningless transitive scores are, don't you?

    BYU dominated (41-20) the Hawaii team that dominated (34-17) the Colorado team that dominated (17-14) Utah for the entire first half in RES.

    By your line of reasoning, with a 3-point home field advantage, BYU is 44 points better than Utah.

    btw, not all turnovers are created equal. Fumbling the ball into your own end zone or at your own 3-yard line or where a defender meerly has to pick it up and run it into the end zone uncontested is far different from giving up a turnover at mid field.

    Utah fans spout off about Sagarin's SOS rankings, but refuse to accept Sagarin's bottom line conclusion, that despite Utah's fluke win in September, Sagarin only ranks Utah 3 places ahead of BYU.

    #38 Utah 75.99
    #41 BYU 75.22

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    @scenic view

    How about spinning those numbers the other direction.

    Despite Utah's embarrassing loss to a bad Colorado team, they are still ranked ahead of BYU in the Sagarin rankings.

    Despite Utah's 5 losses, and BYU's 3, Utah is still ranked ahead of BYU.

    Despite blowing out the garbage of the WAC, while Utah navigated their Pac-12 schedule to a 4-5 record, Utah is still ranked ahead of BYU.

    That's a whole lot of reasons Utah shouldn't be ranked ahead of BYU.

    I guess 54-10 actually says a lot. No reasoning or predicting needed.

    54-10 happened. That's the only comparative score that matters this year.

    And to your other point, all 54 points are not equal either. Had Utah turned their numerous red zone trips into TD's instead of FG's, they would have scored 70 points. Take your 44 point loss and be greatful it wasn't worse.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Scenic view. I'm sure if it was byu that won by 44 points it would still be a fluke win? Think about it!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    @ worf | 8:30 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011

    71-26

    @ ClarkHippo | 10:29 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011

    Wasn't this yrs holy war on an ESPN network?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    re: scenic view | 11:19 p.m. Dec. 6, 2011
    Baltimore, MD

    "You do realize how absolutely meaningless transitive scores are, don't you?"

    Yet, byu fans are masters at circular logic.

    "By your line of reasoning, with a 3-point home field advantage, BYU is 44 points better than Utah."

    You realize the ironY in that statement, right?

    "Sagarin only ranks Utah 3 places ahead of BYU."

    The key word being Ahead.