If it's Tulsa we play in the Armed Forces Bowl, it will be a very good game.
Even though they have four losses, all four losses are to Top 10 teams -
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Boise State and Houston.UCF is the only
common opponent between Tulsa and BYU, and the score indicates an even match in
that both teams beat UCF 24-17.I hope Nelson is fully recovered by
Hawaii, follow the rainbow, we should join the WACBand of Brothers
Boy am I glad we are not playing the Giant Killers Colorado.
I hope Nelson never starts another game for BYU. This year has been the most
disappointing season in my memory toing back 45 years. I'm sure Nelson is a
nice kid, but quarterbacks who can't throw and make poor decisions are a dime a
dozen. The only hope for next year is Heaps. What ever the coaches did to
him to set him back for this year may be undone by next year. If not it will be
the same old story...win the easy games, loose the tough ones.
Bronco's record after bye weeks is very strong. Hopefully, this is an indicator
of how the team will do versus Hawaii.However, I don't think
Bronco's taken a team there yet. So, the lovely distraction that Hawaii is (I've
been there a few times), could be detrimental if he doesn't manage it all
properly.Glad they're going over there a few days in advance. Should
help acclimate them so they can be focused on game day.
Jake is gone. The fact that he doesn't say "I am staying" means he is
gone. And that's fine.
Ted H., what do you mean it's fine if Jake leaves? I'm sure if your employer
was as hard on you as you and many of the "faithful" Cougar fans have
been with Jake, you would have been fired shortly after being hired for some
small mistake.Cut him some slack, and realize that he's only going
to get better. I remember my senior year I was better at what I did than I was
my junior and sophomore years.
Enjoy your helmet stickers cougars because that's all you get from this season
of playing for nothing. You didn't even have a chance to play for anything.
Congrats on your conference championship Band of Uncle Ricos (Napoleon Dynamite
reference for the slow people) who live 30 years in the past.
Hawaii will be BYU toughest opponent since TCU, especially when playing on the
island as time zone difference and sea level are more of a distraction than the
beach. This first year of independence strength of schedule was no better than
when BYU was member of MWC or WAC as it was playing second tier Division I-A
teams which typically don't have ranked teams (being in the top 25) because
their schedule is considered weak by sport news media and coaches polls. If BYU
goal is to just have a winning season and go to a low payout bowl (less than $2
million) than they will replicate the 2011 season in the upcoming years.
Hopefully BYU doesn't schedule teams to just ensure the coach or team has a
Been to see a couple of BYU games at Hawaii. Great atmosphere. The locals really
get up for this game and BYU has a strong following there. Should be fun.
Unlike most coaches who begin the season with 2 quarterbacks BYU can conclude
the season with a 2 quarterback system.When the Cougars need to run
the ball they can put in Nelson although with a bowl game on the line why would
you risk further injury prior to that? When you need to complete a
pass you can put in Jake who can throw more than 18 yards without it looking
like a lame duck.Bronco can dig his way out of his past sayings that
have not been thoughtful such as "when Nelson recovers he will start"
by starting HEaps and when Heaps digs himslef a hole he can insert Nelson. If
Heaps wins Nelson can be kept in check.
We can only hope the Administration shuts down the program and puts everyone out
of their misery.
If Hawaii is found guilty in the NCAA point shaving investigation will the NCAA
make them vacate their losses?
Nelson has his detractors and Heaps has his. I find most observers probably
have more ties to either family, high school or ward than reality. Reality! Heaps is a true quarterback and players do not get better without
work. Nelson is a wildcat, a single-wing guy in an era when the
single wing is no longer played. He's too small to be Jordon Jefferson and not
smart/talented enough to be Steve Young. His feet may get you places his arm
should have but couldn't. Those who criticize Heaps failures at
times do NOT understand how difficult it is to hit an area the 150% the size of
a basketball hoop moving at 25 mph from half-court or the opposite baseline
accurately; yet you'll ascribe greatness to Jimmer Ferdett who hits a non moving
hoop from 20 feet away. It is difficult to throw accurately without consistent
practice under pressure. Nelson is lucky at times. Don't confuse
luck with being good. A wildcat isn't bad. It has a place like a change-of-pace,
but not as a starting quarterback at BYU, not since 1958. Both have value. Heaps
I ascribe the Nelson love to the Tebow excitement factor. When he uses his feet,
he can be darned exciting to watch. He can also be effective. He can get you
60 yards down field and into the blue zone. Then he can break your heart and
turn it over in the same place by making terrible choices. Excitement isn't
necessarily effective play all the time. Consider the myth
surrounding SEC greatness. SEC teams (LSU excepted) play a lot of
non-conference patsies, often build glossy records and are considered by
everyone to be head and shoulders better than all other conferences, when an
inch taller is reality. Ever seen an SEC contest live? People confuse
75-110,000 seat stadiums filled with perfectly color coordinated semi inebriated
fans (the pageantry), with great football. It is as if the show must mean the
play is better, yet Boise State rocked possible SEC champion Georgia in game 1
down there. Pageantry isn't reality on-the-field. Nelson is a lot
of pageantry, exciting, colorful, gets you close, but he fails/to's it far too
often in the red zone where the yards get harder and defenses get larger!
Heaps and Nelson are 180 degree polar opposites in their style / abilities.
This year BYU's offense needed Nelson to give it a jump start. Maybe because of
Doman's inability as an OC? Maybe because Heaps didn't put in enough work in
the off-season? Maybe because of a hundred other things? But the reality is
Nelson moved the offense and put points on the board and Heaps did not. Sure
Heaps has more potential, and I hope he stays and redshirts. But college
football is about winning, and Heaps was not giving us that opportunity.If Nelson would have played against Texas, I have no doubt we would have
won. If Nelson would have played against Utah, the game would not have gotten
out of hand. If Heaps would have played against TCU, it could have turned into
a 54-10 route. If Heaps had stayed in against USU, we would have one more loss.
Either QB would have won the rest of the games.I hope Nelson is
able to return for the bowl game against a solid CUSA opponent. And I hope
Nelson is the starter next year, with Heaps polishing his skills as a redshirt
It seems like every year this team needs a big game and ends up going to Hawaii,
the team lays a total egg. It's not so critical this year because the future is
already decided, but I feel a huge ostrich sized egg about to be layed on Sat.
I hope I am wrong though.
Let's hope for a big Cougs victory to end the regular season. This will be a
tough game. It's always a challenging game any time a team travels to the
island. And, Riley, enjoy this "vacation" trip for you only. No
business trip for you. Get 100% healthy and ready for the bowl game.
Note to Cougars: don't overlook your last opponent like another local team did.
JohnJacooooobJungleHeimerSmatterwow what funny stuff, just about as
funny as Napoleon Dynamite. Only 12 yr old girls think that show is funny.
Anyway, here's something that is truly funny thoughUtes 14The
Mighty Buffs 17 lolThe sun bowl oh boy, the nation will be tuning
that one in.
It is amazing how losing one game to a 10 loss team will quiet the haters for
awhile. Thank goodness for small miracles. Other than Doug and Dennis, it has
been nice to read some comments about the game and the team, without sifting
through all the inane comments. Thanks Buffs!
Based on the Utah State score over Hawaii on their trip to the islands, BYU will
be in for a dog fight. This season has had its ups and downs against teams that
are going nowhere, including Texas, Utah State, Utah. Clearly the Cougars best
fit for a conference affiliation is the Big XII. The ongoing problems revolve
around BYU's Sunday playing issues, and the TV agreements. The WCC is probably
as good a fit for basketball and other sports that conference participates in.
The WCC is a faith based conference which BYU should stick with in my opinion.
What has irked me over the years with Title IX is the elimination of such sports
as men's gymnastics, wrestling, scoccer, and the possibility of men's softball,
a sport that would be great. Title IX is a detriment to international and
olympic competition. BYU will always be behind the curve on football recruiting
visa vie the major collegiate programs. I hope the Cougars can get out of
Honolulu with a W, which will be difficult based on their history in the islands
with better teams in the past. I think it will be a whistling through the
The Rainbows will thump the Cougars and will put both Nelson and Heaps out of
the game. The BYU game is bigger than ANY bowl game that Hawai'i
could play. The fans will be pumped and the Hawai'i team will come out on
fire.BYU may lose as badly as the game they lost when Doman played
on the island about a decade ago.
Nelson supporters forget the numerous red zone turnovers vs TCU, or that LUCK
played a bigger part in 2:3 passes on final drive vs Utah State. Nelson has a
higher turnovers/snap ratio than Heaps against lesser competition. The assumption that Nelson would have defeated Texas or Utah is ludicrous. We
don't know! Nelson's propensity to cough it up making enormously bad decisions
in scoring position against lesser teams gives me pause. He is certainly no
better than Heaps protecting the ball. In 3o+ year as a football writer I think
Nelson is worse. That 30 years allows me to temper opinion with historic
perspective (having seen greats - Detmer, McMahon, Wilson, Young, Sheide,
Neilson, Doman and Sarkesian with similar TD-INT/TO ratios this many games into
their careers. Heaps is a QB and Neilson is a Wildcatter at best.
If BYU wants a wildcatter then switch to the spread offense. Otherwise, be
committed to the game you bring, and play a real quarterback. Spell Heaps to
change it up and confuse a defense. But be committed to what you are. BYU is a
drop back system...End of Argument! Heaps should start!
Come on Jeff ... it's not the wins over San Jose, Idaho , New Mex St and Hawaii
that anyone cares about. It's the losses to Texas, Utah and TCU that matter -
two of which were blow outs at home. This is NOT a successful season and the 8-3
or even 9-3 record is a joke. BYU has had ONE quality win all season and that
was the first game of the year against a SEC team on the road. If Bronco wants
BCS access he is going to have to beat the big boys - actually first schedule
then beat the big boys.... then he can talk. Until then BYU has been forgotten
Some college football websites are forecasting SMU will be BYU's opponent in the
Armed Forces Bowl. But whether it is SMU (who beat TCU earlier in the year) or
Tulsa, it will be an intriguing game for sure. @Wayne Rout 9:26With all due respect, you honestly believe this season was the most
disappointing one in 45 years? What about the three losing seasons the Cougars
had before Bronco became head coach? What about LaVell's last year when the team
lost two QBs to injury and finished 6-6? What about '95 and '97 when BYU got
thumped by Utah and just missed out on playing in a bowl game?@Louisiana Cougar 11:34You may be right. Hawaii and their fans
will definitely be pumped for this game, so the Cougars better not go into it
thinking they're playing Idaho or New Mexico State again.@LouisD
11:36I'm not a "Nelson supporter," but the fact is,
there's a reason why Jake Heaps was pulled from the Utah State game. Heaps did show a lot of improvement against New Mexico State, but no matter
who starts against Hawaii, they'll have to play their A game.
I agree that Heaps should start. Nelson is still injured, and while he's a gamer
for sure, and I love him, a composed dart-throwing Heaps should get the start.
It is easy to be hypercritical, but Heaps was playing for a new OC. The
play-calling in the first three games was pretty bad - much different from the
last three. This shows that Doman is figuring out how to run this team. Heaps
will be able to quarterback this team.As for losing in Hawaii -
well, it will be a tough game, but I think this BYU team at this time is going
to be tougher and will win this game.
Im tired of playing cupcake teams!86 this stupid Indy idea.One lose in our regular season and its over!Please Brethren, fire
Holmoe and get the program back on track like the good ol days of LeVelle.Band of Brothers forever
Wow Riverton I sure pushed a button huh? Funny. My post was more
stating my belief that Jake is definitely gone than saying "Jake won't ever
be good." I hope Jake redshirts and stays and has two great years after
that. That would be fantastic and I'd cheer for him like I have in the past,
even during struggles.However, he's been asked about his future many
times and it seems to me if he thought there was a decent chance he was staying
he'd just say "I'm going to stay" and then evalute things in
offseason. The fact that his only response is "I dont want to talk about
it" is a signal he's leaning hard towards leaving. Let's not be clueless
and ignore what he's saying.By the "and thats fine" I
wasn't saying jake has peaked and that he'll be no good. Again, its just saying
I believe Jake is leaving and that next year Riley will play ok(like this year)
and after that the coaches will put in whoever is best. But I'm
glad you were able to vent some frustration, seems that was needed.
Hawaii plays BYU tough but I think BYU is just better and if both teams play
clean, BYU wins by 20. I think Heaps is the future. I like watching Riley play
but I don't think he is the guy. If he is the guy next year, I hope Heaps
redshirts, matures, and comes back stronger than ever. Go Cougars.
If Heaps decides to leave, I hope he goes to a program that BYU will play
against so he can burn the Cougars for giving up on him...and he has the ability
to do so...and the nay sayers would deserve every bit of it.What I
can't understand is if Bronco is the judge of talent people think he is, then he
should play the person he has declared is an NFL quarterback and not the loose
cannon many people are pushing...if Rily is the quarterback next year, he will
bit BYU with his erratic play and poor decision making or being injured throwing
the BYU offense on a John Hays clone.
Ute grad fired from job pumping gas - Let me just take this
opportunity to tell you how much I enjoyed the Utah Colorado game. Everything
was in place for Utah in the title game.USC over UCLA - CheckCal
over ASU - CheckUtah home game over gimme Colorado - CheckIt
appeared just a formality to even play the game. Right?I love
knowing that Max's comments are proved correct day after day. I love knowing
how much BYU bothers you. I absolutely love it.Thanks!
Patriot makes the same mistake many myopic Utah's make, that what THEY think
must automatically be true nationally. The fact is, BYU played a
slightly tougher list of opponents than in the past. So? NMSU, ISU, Idaho and
SJSU have replaced Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV...they are
interchangeable. BYU's MWC schedules were no more or less relevant. What "patriot" completely ignores is that BYU was the sought after
property. People that count (not the Pac-10, not the Big-12, not the Big East)
wanted BYU. ESPN wanted BYU. Bristol doesn't toss good money after
bad or invest in losers. ESPN knows why it wanted BYU and backed it. BYU is a 4
decade old tradition, a perennial top 10-30 program no matter what. BYU has the
23rd most active fan base in the country and draws among NON-FAN VIEWERS better
than almost any other team. ESPN says BYU is relevant. Add a
65,000 seat stadium, 23,000 seat arena and BYU is relevant. Good ratings says
BYU is relevant. Another top 25 finish can be achieved this year also, keeping
BYU relevant. Sorry, BYU is relevant! Case Closed!
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Enjoy your helmet stickers cougars
because that's all you get from this season of playing for nothing. You didn't
even have a chance to play for anything. Congrats on your conference
championship Band of Uncle Ricos (Napoleon Dynamite reference for the slow
people) who live 30 years in the past. I only wish Utah had helmet
stickers, then we would know for sure that they even took the field...I know, do I remember 54-10?Well yes I do, it was Utah basketball
score when they lost to Ashville.
You know Hawaii will be pumped up for this game. We are the biggest game on
BYU is playing for something this game. Right now we are on the fringes of a
top 25 ranking (ranked 28th in the coaches poll) and if we win both this Hawaii
game and the bowl game we will be ranked for sure.Jake Heaps right
now cannot throw across the middle of the field right now, while Riley threw
more TD pass in 3 quarters against USU and SJSU (who were just as good as anyone
else we played this year with the exception of TCU) than Jake did the rest of
the season. Looks like Riley can throw the ball just fine.Fact is,
my poor heart can't take anymore lame telegraphed pass to the short out right
(Heap's favorite kind) that either get intercepted or only goes for 3 yards.Let's hear no more of this we need to develop him garbage. If a player
is prepared to start, it won't take him full 2 seasons for him to emerge. Soph
QB all over the country are starting and are doing great! Max Hall was a soph
and won 11 games against a difficult schedule. I'd say redshirt and let him
stew some more.
Y Grad Pumping GasWow. You sure are a die hard BYU fan. Weird how
you don't even know how to spell "LaVell." Nice to see you back on the
Hawaii > Pac south teams
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt and others:Still stinging from Friday?
That's alright, 54-10 still stings too, but after awhile, you get over the
humiliation and learn to love your team again.For us, that took
until the second half of the Utah State game.
re:LouisDIdaho, Idaho State, San Jose ST and New Mexico St are a
step down from New Mexico, Colorado State, San Deigo St, etc.. in anyone's book.
I think you are the only one that actually thinks BYU's schedule was consistent
with past years. It wasn't. 2011 was the worst and weakest schedule BYU has had
in 30 years and the Armed Forces Bowl will most likely be the weakest bowl
opponent BYU has ever faced. Recall that even in good years BYU had close calls
with Colorado State and New Mexico as well as San Deigo St. Add to all of this
BYU turning into a (yawn) running team under Nelson and you get 65000
disgruntled fans hoping that things will somehow change going forward. There is
no way Tom Holemo is going to sell out with a home schedule like this year and a
5'11" running QB. If BYU wants BCS access they are going to have to put up
or shut up... like TCU and Utah did.
@fresnogirl"Wow. You sure are a die hard BYU fan. Weird how you
don't even know how to spell "LaVell." Nice to see you back on the
boards Hedgehog." No, not Hedgehog, I am a die hard BYU fan
though, spell in came with the degree at the Y. sorry.@Y Grad / Y
Dad" For us, that took until the second half of the Utah State
game." I was embarrassed when our Y fans rushed the field at
the Utah State game! Utah State! Jiminy ChristmasI understand rushing the
field if we beat the U, but, Oh No, they come out and clean our clock 54-10And now, they'll be going to a bigger better bowl game than us! CANT stand
it!I say fire Holmoe, get this program back on track! Indy is
terrible!Band of Brothers forever!
Winning hides a great many mistakes. Nelson escapes the criticism of BYU fans
because the team won games, at times easily, under Nelson. That said, consider
the following stats.With Heaps as the starter, DiLuigi ran for 214
yards on 51 carries and Michael Alisa amassed 2 total yards on 3 carries. The
run game was beyond pathetic.When Nelson stepped in as the starter
Michael Alisa also got an increased role and, since then, has tallied 402 yards
on 69 carries (5.83 per). DiLuigi? 318 yards on 50 carries. Some
have speculated that the team simply plays better for Nelson than they did for
Heaps. I think it more likely that Nelson simply is the beneficiary of improved
play calling and a better run game, which means that he is asked to pass less
often than Heaps.Don't agree? Consider that Nelson has thrown an
interception every 25 attempts, while Heaps averages 1 for every 31.38 attempts.
If there had been a run game for Heaps to rely on AT ALL, then he might have had
the same success that Nelson experienced (without mentioning the step down in
competition at this end of the schedule).
In my arm chair opinion, the quarterback that should start should be the one
that fits best within the Doman offense. Unfortunately, Doman's offense does a
disservice to the type of style that best suits Heap's skill set.Nelson fits much better into the Doman scheme. I have no doubt that if Doman
changed the offense to match Jake's skills, BYU would do much better...not
likely to happen. Unfortunately, Doman is the wrong OC at BYU for a
player with Heaps skill set.
@ patriot | 3:08 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011 Cedar Hills, UT" If
BYU wants BCS access they are going to have to put up or shut up... like TCU and
Utah did." That's their problem, to date they haven't been able to put up
and their fans refuse to shut up.
DH wrote an article two or three weeks ago that basically negated the argument
that BYU's November schedule is any weaker this year than it has been in the
past 10 years. It's just the opponents are less exciting.
Forget Reilly, forget Heaps, this year is a wash!I am soooo upset
that Utah got Chase Hansen from Lone Peak!He went with them because
they have a better program.Fire Holmoe and get our program back on
track to where it use to be!Lets Band together Brothers
Barney,Not convinced that Utah is getting a better bowl game. LV is
about par, and the ironies are too beautiful for words. From there it goes
downhill for our brethren to the north. The only thing I don't know,
and it is honest ignorance I will admit, is how much credence is given to
conference standing versus won-loss record. Because finishing 8th in
conference, even if the top two go BCS, isn't going to get them very far, I
patriot, it was a one year deal. And sorry, but I've got the experience to look
at the teams BYU played in late Octobers and Novembers past and see that the
yawners this year were really no worse. Colorado State was rocked by Col,orado
which lost to hawaii which has only been competitive in the WAC. For all the
opinion out there, yours included, the reality is, BYU lined up who they could
as best as they could. That you live in Ceder Hills and can see games live at
your pleasure is fine. But what would you have done better than Mr. Holmoe this
year given all the circumstances? It easy to complain but let
everyone know what solutions or better decisions you would have offered? Even
though many of your concerns are valid, what point is there in complaining over
a very temporary situation? BYU's schedule gets vastly better in future years.
Are we just being impatient and complaining for the sake of being critical? BYU
still played Ol' Miss, Texas, Utah, UCF, and TCU this year (all in or about to
become AQ BCS Conference programs). Seemes he did a great job to me.
My apologies for a lengthy blog but the limitations that are placed on the
commentators are restrictive at best and not suited for a thoughtful
response.Part II agree with some of the opinions that BYU should
find new leadership within the Athletic Department, especially in light that the
football program is the key revenue generator that pays for all other sports as
well as numerous non-athletic pursuits within the school. The primary source for
the positive cash-flow comes through selling broadcasting rights, which in this
case are held by ESPN. ESPN will pay for the rights to broadcast games if: (a)
Neilson Ratings determine viewership is high enough to generate advertising
sales; (b) those viewing the game(s) will continue to watch teams even if they
do not have a like/dislike relationship; and (c) as in the case of BYU, games
can be scheduled to accommodate more profitable contests (i.e. SEC).
Part 2With this in mind, BYUs decision to play inferior opponents is a
wise business move as these teams cannot command a higher pay-out that a better
program would demand thus higher revenue for the Y. However, this same decision
could prove to detrimental if: (a) stadium attendance declines (which appears to
be happening); (b) viewership declines; (c) more attractive games can be
scheduled in place of a Y contest. Concerning the latter, consider the several
games that were joined already in-progress because another game had run long. If
the Y was the marquee game then they would never be preempted. For those
who are grateful for the increased exposure and the ability to watch the games
in faraway places, remember this. Without the dedicated fans who attend games in
person and purchase sports packages on pay-per-view distribution networks (Dish
Network/DirecTV/Comcast/etc.) then there would be no television contract and
games would rarely be distributed for broadcast.
utah finished 7-5 and will go to the sun bowl maybe the vegas bowl byu probable
finishes 9-3 maybe 8-4 and goes to the wait for it the armed forces bowl. what
does this tell us?
@SconservBut of course you completely ignore the fact that BYU and
ESPN have an 8 year contract, that's right 8 YEARS, so ESPN obviously felt BYU
was worth the long term committment and as already agreed to pay them for 8
YEARS. In otherwords BYU already pulls ratings plenty good to justify the
contract so all of your "points" are pretty much moot.Also
BYU decision to play "inferior" teams as you put it is short term and
ESPN encouraged BYU to do it. It was well reported that BYU was going to scrap
the plan to go independent when Nevada and Fresno bolted from the wac but ESPN
came in and told BYU they still wanted them and were actually the ones that kept
the deal alive. In otherwords your "points" really aren't
"points" at all as you have it completely wrong. Also considering ESPN
is actively facilitating made for TV games against excellent opponents for BYU,
and just a quick glance at BYU's 2013 schedule pretty much shoots down all of
the other "points" you thought you were making.Would you
please tell us which BYU games were "preempted" this year? Good luck
@Duckhunter Thank-you for reading my post, though it was painful to
examine the intended response due to poor grammatical command and limited word
use, however there a couple of concerns that are worthy of a reply. First; it is reported that ESPN/BYU have an 8-year broadcast agreement (unsure
of the details and whether or not there are benchmark provisions or extension
covenants), but what about year 9? As stated, if viewership is down, than the
pay-out amount of the agreement will diminish or the agreement will be allowed
to sunset. Second; Idaho (12-Nov-11) and New Mexico State
(19-Nov-11), both games were preempted through half of the first quarter in
order to continue broadcasting more appealing contests and subsequent post-game
analysis. While it is true that each BYU game could be streamed on ESPN3, IPTV
access is not the same as broadcast delivery.
@DuckhunterMy humblest apologies for insulting your grammatical
style, it is not my place to critique the writings of others. The intent was to
respond to your rebuttal but instead I made it personal. Sincerely,