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  • canco Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    All we have heard all year is what a great league the PAC 12 is. As far as I am concerned that was just a bunch of hype. The PAC 12 is a WEAK league overall with 3 good teams and 9 pathetic sub par teams. The PAC 12 championship game is a sham which will produce zero ratings and feature a UCLA team that can't possibly win under any circumstances. I would much rather watch New Mexico State play Utah State. At least that game may have a little drama.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    Sure utah's loss to colorado was embarrassing but the truth is the media types like Sorenson, and the utah "fans" should be even more embarrassed by hyping utah as being any good because they beat 4 terrible teams the previous 4 weeks.

    All of the articles about the utes "spectacular turnaround" and calling john white the "player of the year" and whittingham the "coach of the year" are what's really embarrassing.

    It is now obvious the pac12 is not a particularly good league with the excaption of 3 teams. It is even more evident that the pac12 south is probably worse than almost any other d1 league. The fact utah could go 4-5 in that laugh of a league and still almost make it to the championship game should humiliate larry scott.

    But really what does it matter if it is a crappy utah team or a crappy ucla team getting drilled by oregon next week? Either way it is an embarrassment and I personally am just glad it won't be our state being humiliated by utah once again this season.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    Conference of Champions. Sheesh.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    Re: Duckhunter

    Does 54-10 remind you of anything?

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    I began this year rooting for the u to do well, but after the byu/u game, all I heard was nastiness from ute fans. It took the sportsmanship right out of me. I stopped rooting for the U, and by the end, I was rooting against them. But even I didn't dare dream that they'd lose to CU. My wife laughed so hard when I told her, (she used to live in CO) I thought she'd die. None of the teams in Utah lived up to their potential this year. Let's hope they do better next year. Although, I can't promise I'll root for the U again next year. After what I saw/heard/read from Utes, I'll have to think long and hard about sending any good vibes their way.

  • KKCC UTAH, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    I think BYU playing BYE at the end of November is more embarrassing!

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    Root had a replay of the utah colorado game so I watched most of it for a second time. It was like watching a movie you have seen before and you know you love how it ends but throughout the movie you still get nervous when the plot thickens and the characters are overcoming the dilemna presented. But, like watching good movies again, it was a perfect ending again and fit for the fan base! So perfect that usc and cal won too! That made this so perfect.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    @canco - you think the PAC-12 is a weak league. Look at the rankings with 2 teams in the top 10 (would be 3 if USC wasn't on probation). What is weak is the Utes, in the PAC-12 you have to be ready to play every week. The hype by this writer is what is embarrassing.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    The U did great this season with what was given to them. all in all a good season, fun to watch and a lot to look forward to.

    We will get better with each year!

  • Cougar Alumni Beaver, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    I feel the Utes are better off than we are in this ridiculous Indy conference.
    They have something to play for, one loss and our season is over!

    It upsetting when they better us each year!

    Fire Holmoe

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    Mr. SOREnsen sounds like a bitter BYU apologist.
    Utah is in a conference. Time for cougar fans to move on and settle for second best to nothing. We are independent after all.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Dave S
    Re: Duckhunter

    Does 54-10 remind you of anything?

    Hang on to this Dave...after a couple of more years, it will still be all you have...

    KKCC

    I think BYU playing BYE at the end of November is more embarrassing!

    I am glad Utah didn't play BYE, they would have lost that one as well.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    Just a couple of thoughts.

    Sorensen maybe you should relocate to a city where you can follow the MWC. You seem to be pretty fond of it and we don't want to hold you back.

    Duckboy - I think the biggest embarrassment is your obvious jealousy of the Utes. I know their success in BCS games and now the inclusion in the PAC12 must just be eating at you. I'm sorry that your team hasn't been relevant in college football for over 25 years but I think you need to find more hobbies than posting on every Utah related article. Of course its not too early to claim the national championship for next year. Bronco did say they would win it all and we all know the cougs are the perennial preseason national champions - so maybe that can be your thing.

    Embarrassment can't get much worse than 54 to 10 on your home field though. Luckily you have those huge wins over Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State to make you feel better.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    @qwest forgotten

    It looks like I am formost in your thoughts. But of course anyone whose screen name is just a reference to thier big brother is the one with the obsession problem.

    LOL!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    Hawk | 8:35 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011
    Littleton, CO
    Conference of Champions. Sheesh.

    --

    Look at all the titles the PAC has. They are the Conference of Champions.
    Must be nice for Utah. They have a home for all sports. While we are stuck in a sub conference with small schools, and an independent football program going nowhere playing sub conference teams.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    @No Conference Will Take Us

    Lol, so true. It stinks to be stuck on ESPN all year long. It's horrible that our football team can actually beat 2 win teams and that we have the potential for a 10 win season. It's terrible that the WCC is a better basketball conference than the PAC 12 and that BYU actually can field a competitive basketball team. And don't even get me started on the whole BYUtv versus KJZZ debate.

    It's just so hard to be a Cougar fan right now :)

    Go Cougars!

  • JohnBoy Provo, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    Embarrassing is BYU trying to get into a conference. WAC=Fail, Big 12=Fail, Big East=Fail.
    What is embarrassing is all you jealous BYU fans screaming across the internet,just admit defeat. BYU=irrelevance.

    Even with the loss the Utes will still be in a better bowl game.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    It's hard to take a league seriously when one of its teams, while playing for a berth in the league's championship game with 4 league losses, loses its final regular-season game to a team in ESPN's "Bottom 10."

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    For the life of me I can't figure out why some Ute fans think having a bye is an embarrassment. So they had one extra bye..their season also ends a week later. So what?

  • pacificblue55 SANDY, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    how could byu afford to pay a couple of teams to play them .5million dollars each this season?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    They lost to CU! I am having a problem accepting this fact...how do you lose to CU at home? I have been enjoying the comments by ESPN, The LA Times and the local Utah & Colorado newspapers but it is still difficult to accept. The PAC 10.2 is over rated sorry to see they'll have two teams in a BCS bowl game. I believe both Stanford and UO will lose their bowl games...the conference beat down continues.

    UCLA, the Southern Division Champions lost to SC by 50 points...what a weekend.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Nov. 27, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    BYU is in a great situation with national TV every game. That's what the recruits want and that's what they will get for the next 7+ years.

    BYU is on the rise.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    @JohnBoy

    Last time I looked, BYU didn't want to be in a conference. Big 12 and Big East came to BYU, BYU wanted to retain its TV rights, both conferences wouldn't let them, so discussions ended.

    The thing about BYU is we don't need a conference to be 'relevant'. BYU can stand alone, unlike certain other teams who will make any concession necessary to get into a conference (Utah, cough cough).

    I know that's hard for U to understand, but there it is. Hey, at least the PAC 12 gave U the easiest possible schedule U could have for your first year to try to help U seem like U belong in the PAC 12. All U did with it was go 7-5 and lose to the worst team in the PAC this year (which is saying something, since there are a LOT of bad teams in the PAC).

    Good job. :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    Mike buddy... Please vote for Griffen of Baylor.... 66-42 was exciting.... Beating Oklahoma was exciting.... You can not with a clear conscience vote for a MWC nobody! This was the best season in Baylor football history... At least in the Big XII. He deserves the votes! He deserves yours! He deserves to join the many many names from Texas to garner the title of Heisman of the year.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    JohnBoy

    Embarrassing is BYU trying to get into a conference. WAC=Fail, Big 12=Fail, Big East=Fail.
    What is embarrassing is all you jealous BYU fans screaming across the internet,just admit defeat. BYU=irrelevance.

    Even with the loss the Utes will still be in a better bowl game.

    And you will be embarrassed again...Just on the UP wire service...PAC 12 exercising "Ooops" and are discharging Utah from the conference...can't say I don't blame them.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    Dave S
    Re: Duckhunter

    Does 54-10 remind you of anything?

    Yes, Yes it does...wasn't that the final basketball score when you lost to Ashville?

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Once again I will come to the defense of Mike Sorenson. He is not a BYU apologist. He is from what I could see on Wellington Street a staunch Utah fan. Maybe all you in Washington should just step all the way off and go back to your Seattle newspapers. Most of your comments have been far from objective and rather unintelligent at the same time. Conference of Champions smack artists... Can you name the last BCS championship this alleged conference of champions won? That's right, it is the one that had to be vacated because of Cheating! Makes you wonder how much other cheating has gone down over the years to garnish so many trophies. Perhaps it is the investigation of USC that has led the other teams conference wide (outside of CU and UU) to playing true and with integrity and being the laughable beatable pimples they have become. Independence is not a conference. If it was a conference BYU Notre Dame and Army/Navy would be forced to play each other year after year... Will you guys please be objective and come to these boards with at least something intelligent to say!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    JohnBoy

    JohnBoy, keep your head up...Utah has just announced that their goal in their Bowl game is two first downs in the first half...it is important to set your goals high...good luck Utes, your brave to strive for two first downs even if it is unattainable.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    CaliforniaCougar said:

    "BYU is in a great situation with national TV every game. That's what the recruits want and that's what they will get for the next 7+ years.

    BYU is on the rise.
    Recommend"

    What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title, conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't win, that means you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating or less on ESPN. Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce wins and draw interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans. Recruits would rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself from joining a BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra baggage that nobody wants to deal with.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Better to be in a conference and be playing for something than being a pretender like BYU who has nothing to play for except helmet stickers and feeling puffed by beating WAC teams after getting wailed on 54-10. Utah will get more recruits and more depth. BYU will be like Napoleon Dynamite's Uncle Rico and live in the past in the van in the middle of nowhere.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    JustTheTruthMan said:

    "Once again I will come to the defense of Mike Sorenson. He is not a BYU apologist. He is from what I could see on Wellington Street a staunch Utah fan. Maybe all you in Washington should just step all the way off and go back to your Seattle newspapers. Most of your comments have been far from objective and rather unintelligent at the same time. Conference of Champions smack artists... Can you name the last BCS championship this alleged conference of champions won? That's right, it is the one that had to be vacated because of Cheating! Makes you wonder how much other cheating has gone down over the years to garnish so many trophies...."

    Speaking of unintelligent...........
    Leave it to a BYU fan to ask if someone cheated at water polo or gymnastics for a title.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Both BYU and Utah have their embarrassing games this season. Both have work to do. The lack of a conference for BYU is irrelevant. We will get some really important exposure over the next seven years. And we will have a Championship run. So will Utah.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    Pacific Northwest just go home already... Do not put words in the mouth of someone you know little about. But, you brought it up.... The only championships of merit that this alleged conference of champions has is in sports like gymnastics and water polo. When is the last in Basketball? How many in 20 years? Only one in football since the BCS corruption went into effect and the SEC owns that corruption. They have also won what... 2 in a row in March? The laughable pac-12's claim at 'conference of champions' has as much spunk backing it up as the over referred to quest for perfection a few years ago. And, since you brought it up..... Did you notice the conference title that BYU brought home this season? I didn't think so... You only have one thing in your sights and it is the most irrelevant of all.... Football as it is today will not be how it is in 25 years from now. The move to the PAC-12 will be as irrelevant then in the overall big picture as it was in 2011 for the Utes and all but Stanford and Oregon.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    What is so important about BYU being in a conference - Notre Dame has been independent for decades and still is respected on a national level even when the have a bad year. Why is the BCS such an issue, it is a joke when Alabama will play LSU for a 'national' championship. There will not be a champion until the BCS is gone and the NCAA has a playoff system to decide a real champion. It can be done.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    Apparently JustTheTruthMan can't handle the truth.

    It's easy. Just look up all the titles that the PAC has won. They are indeed the conference of champions.
    Since us Cougar fans like to hang onto 1984. Well lets go back in time some more. UCLA won 7-8 NCAA basketball titles in a row. Arizona was won multiple basketball titles. Oregon St. won back to back college world series recently. Yes USC has been in trouble, but have always been good at football.

    And what do we have? Membership in the mighty mid major WCC. Yeah, we are cool.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    U R Lucky because you are going to the Vegas Bowl and that isn't tied into the WAC or you'd end up losing your bowl game to Utah State. So you've side-stepped being embarrassed again by your "oldest" rival, USU. Not to say that you won't blow it again by playing TCU in Vegas.......

    For having a "soft" and carpeted welcome mat path extended your first year for you to reach the PAC 12 Title Game, well, U blew it! All the stars lined up, especially those writing newspapers sports columns, and you just let them all down, big time. And then to top it off, you said "I don't know why we lost." Well, "Get used to it."

    U Football < Pathetic

    And how about UCLA getting thumped by 50 points? They're the PAC 10.2 southern div champions. BTW, that's more margin than 54 - 10. Why aren't U harping about that important "beat down?" It gave you the last puzzle piece to waltz into the PAC Championship Game......too bad it was worthless to U.

    I think Colorado might become a new favorite school for which I will cheer.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Woodyff I don't exactly agree with a potential LSU vs Alabama rematch either. I thought the BCS rules changed a few years ago that you had to win your conference title in order to be eligible for the national championship.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    Just a reality check: The PAC 12 South 'Champion' got out-scored in its final two losses 81-6.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    Craig Thompson is really laughing at BYU & Utah........

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    @ Honor Code

    Is he laughing at TCU, Boise State and Air Force too? He is in trouble.

  • Stenar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    I don't see it as embarrassing at all. I see it as the South Division and probably the PAC-12 as a whole has a great deal of parity. Coming into this league, someone said, on any given day any team can beat any other team in the PAC-12.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 28, 2011 6:07 a.m.

    @toosmartforyou

    Air Force will stay and TCU and BSU will cater to the football program and the rest of their sports will struggle. MWC will come out of this unscathed and BYU for sure will be wishing they'd have stayed........but no one wants them now!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    We told you so.

    No one said moving to a 'big boys conference' would be easy... except of course Ute fans.

    South Division Championship Quest... nada
    Conference Championship Quest... nada
    Rose Bowl... nada
    Top 25 ranking... nada
    2011 BCS game... nada
    BCS Rookie Team of the Year... nada

    Colorado's BFF, you betcha!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    "Even with the loss the Utes will still be in a better bowl game."

    I wouldn't be so sure of that. UCLA, Washington and California are all better draws and will get picked ahead of Utah. Best case scenario, Utah gets invited to Las Vegas. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Las Vegas took a pass, given Utah's poor performance and inability to purchase all their tickets last year. This would drop Utah to the Fight Hunger bowl.

    BTW, how much revunue will Utah get for their bowl appearance this year?

  • Rydub LEHI, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    You guys ripping on the PAC south champ are losing it. the PAC south champ is USC and will be noted as so in the record books. UCLA is the fill in for them while they're on probation. At the end of the year USC was the best team in the whole conference.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    Hawko: of course byu fans are never too blame. We're just too special to have bad sportsmanship.

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Embarrassing loss or not, I'm just glad we gave BYU fans at least on thing to get excited about this year. It's fun to be relevant!

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    New rival 1 Utah 0

    This just got serious.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    UtahBy44

    "The U did great this season with what was given to them. all in all a good season, fun to watch and a lot to look forward to."

    Beg to differ, but the PAC 12 gift-wrapped a division title for the Utes and the Utes couldn't even beat a 2-10 team to claim their prize. Utah didn't beat a single conference opponent with a winning record. Utah's ONLY quality win during the entire season was a 7 turnover gift from BYU.

    K-Whitt is to blame for "what was given to the Utes", that is, not having a single D1 calibre QB to backup a fragile, injury-plagued QB still recovering from season-ending shoulder surgery.

    That the Utes couldn't win a pathetically weak PAC 12 South, shows just how pathetically weak the Utes were throughout the season.

    btw, as much as blind Utah fans would like to pretend otherwise, one game, does not a season make.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    yeah, but we're in the pac 10 plus 2. isn't that all that matters? oops. and we beat byu this year. that's all that matters. right?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Make the best of it - losing to Colorado. Hide behind the weak PAC-12 label, think of the money, hype next year - anything to take the focus off a bad season. And don't even mention basketball.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    @dave s

    Keep clinging to that. That will always make or break utah's season.

    Le minerai de plus que les choses changent elles restent les memes.

    LOL!

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    @Uteanymous,

    I thought our backup QB managed the game just fine. He wasn't the one who missed a 28 yard field goal on one drive, coughed up the football on the next drive, or missed the field goal in the waning moments of the game.

    And by the way, USC won the division title. It was the championship game that was gift wrapped. But I don't want my team to be "given" the opportunity to play in such a game. I'd rather they earn it. Entitlement isn't a concept that sits well with me as a Utah fan.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    I remember a lot of field goals like that missed against BYU...

    sad loss...oh, not really. I'm basking in your pain.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    @nightowl

    "What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title, conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't win, that means you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating or less on ESPN. Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce wins and draw interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans. Recruits would rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself from joining a BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra baggage that nobody wants to deal with."

    That sounds good I suppose but of course reality tells us differently. BYU has a recruiting class ranked in the high 30's this year. Utah's in in the 60's and virtually unranked.

    I guess just saying stuff doesn't actually make it so.

    LOL!

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Y'all forget - the PAC12 is not and will never be about Utah in football. It will always be about Oregon, USC and Stanford, in that order.

    Oregon lost to USC by missing a game tying FG, and played the best of anyone this year against #1 LSU. Stanford played well until coming up against the Oregon juggernaut.

    Why do any PAC12 FB discussions even include Utah? Unfathomable.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    This loss to Colorado is going to sting for awhile. Colorado hasn't won a road game for years, yet they came into Salt Lake and outcoached and outplayed a Utah team living on hype that weekend. Were they looking past Colorado and thinking about Oregon? Horrible, horrible loss, and such a lost opportunity. This one is going to stick for a few years. I feel like we should apologize to WSU and UCLA because we really aren't as good as we were in those snow games.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    @ J-TX - because Ute fans have thought they have the best football team in the nation, they just found out that moving up is harder than they thought, or their team is less than what they hoped for.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    @d'anconia

    "And by the way, USC won the division title."

    Actually the pac12 decided that whoever finished 2nd (ucla) can call themselves south division champion. Kinda like jr. jazz where everyone gets to be called a "champion" and they all get a trophy. Pathetic.

    LOL!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter - d'anconia is correct, USC won the southern division but is not eligible for post season play due to NCAA sanctions. And to the 'post' that doesn't think the PAC-10 is the conference of champions, take a look at their record for the past couple of decades and see just how many national championships they have, not just football, but all sports. They are a conference of champs, it will just be a long time before Utah can be part of that tradition of excellence. It is just 'sour grapes' from Ute fans because they thought they would come in and dominate the conference and ended up in the bottom.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Duckhunter | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 28, 2011
    Highland, UT
    @nightowl

    "What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title, conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't win, that means you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating or less on ESPN. Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce wins and draw interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans. Recruits would rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself from joining a BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra baggage that nobody wants to deal with."

    That sounds good I suppose but of course reality tells us differently. BYU has a recruiting class ranked in the high 30's this year. Utah's in in the 60's and virtually unranked.

    I guess just saying stuff doesn't actually make it so.

    LOL!

    --

    You are right duck hunter, reality does tell us differently.
    We lost to Utah at LES 54-10.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    @Woodyf

    Actually it was reported that the pac12 decided that because of usc's probation that whoever finished 2nd gets to call themselves south division champ. So yes for the pac12 ucla is the south division champ, not usc. utah, and whittingham in particular, spent all last week talking about how they weren't going to apologize for being south division champs despite their poor record and usc's probabtion. Of course we all know how that turned out. But for 2011 ucla is officially the south division chmaps as far as the pac12 is concerned.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    CougFaninTX, In order for UCLA to go bowling they have to do the unfathomable.... Follow up a 0-50 embarrassment from USC with a win against Oregon in Eugene.... If UCLA loses, their 5-3 conference record will not be enough to get them in a bowl game.... 6-7 hardly qualifies as a winning record.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Another note: when Oregon beats UCLA, UCLA will have a record of 6-7 and will need to appeal to the NCAA to be considered for a bowl game. This coming from the Pac-12 South Champ!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Cougar fans are funny. You all come out in force to talk about the Pac 12 and the Utes.
    Sounds like you're all obsessed and jealous of a team that went 7-5 in the supposedly horrible Pac 12.
    I'd believe what your selling if I could, but reality tells me you all have some serious jealousy and an obvious inferiority complex.
    The truth is this...whether 12-0, 0-12 or somewhere in between...the Utes and Ute fans are in a GREAT place and having a lot of fun!
    If Coug fans are truly happy with playing Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State on The Ocho at ocho...then I guess we're all happy!

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Just ran some numbers:
    in Utah's wins (not counting the FCS school Montana State) they beat teams that have a combined record of 32-38. Only the win over BYU came against a team with a winning record (24-35 record of all of Utah's wins less BYU). Sadly, the record of the teams that beat Utah is only 33-28.

    In comparison, BYU's losses came to teams that have a combined record of 23-11 and Utah is the only one of BYU's losses that came to a team that hasn't spent most of the year in the top 25. Losses to Texas and TCU were by a combined 11 points. I acknowledge that BYU's schedule was weaker, but then they didn't lose to any bad teams.

  • Triple B Milford, NH
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    @ motorbike-

    Cougar fans are funny. Ute fans are funny looking.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    Hey uTesies?

    Check the AP and use today polls, Byu is receiving votes, I don't see the Utes there anywhere, wonder why that is? Maybe its a Sagarin thing? if Byu is so pathetic, 54-10 blah blah blah, in a meaningless conf. , doesn't have any good players, never won any titles, bowls or BCS games, never gets watched on tv. etc etc. I just don't understand why someone is voting for them in the rankings. Just makes no sense. When these same people must be watching every Ute game and seeing how dominant they are.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Ute fans are funny. You all come out in force to throw Pac12 and 54-10 in Cougar fans face for months but then when the Utes get embarrassed by the worst team in the pac12 and how that loss effected U, U all expect us to feel bad.

    U are in a great place but just remember USC is actually playing for something next year. And U still dont have a QB.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    The 54-10 still stings. No one on the Cougar articles since they are not relevant.

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    @Excutorloh

    Just ran some numbers:

    Utah 54 : BYU 10

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    The Pac-12 is clearly a weak conference. It just goes to show how ridiculous the BCS system is.

    P.S. Norm Chow needs to be fired.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    @54-10 aka "duckhunter hunter", "kosta fesenko", "articuno BYU", "hondo", "no conference wants us", and far too many other screen names to list here.

    "No one on the Cougar articles since they are not relevant."

    Great point. BYU didn't just lose, at home, to the worst team in division 1. BYU had a bye. So of course last week was irrelevent for BYU fans. On the otherhand the embarrassment of utah losing, at home, to the worst team in the entire country, is still fresh and relevent. All of the national publications and pundits are talking about it. It is being discussed and laughed about over and over again by just about everyone. It is drawing not just scorn but actual pity and certainly amusement from poll voters, bowl officials, talking heads, pac12 officials, BYU fans, pac12 fans, and pretty much anyone that happened to hear about it.

    LOL!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    54-10

    haha

    17-14

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Executorloh,

    I think you present some very interesting numbers. I suspect UCLA really didn't want to somehow become South Division Champs--becoming 6-7 and looking for a bowl game really does become problematic and will hurt the pocketbook compared to being 6-6.

    As much as I respect your win-loss record comparisons, I do think the teams the Utes defeated are significantly better than the teams the Y defeated this year. The bottom half of the PAC-12 are bigger and more physical than the bottom half of the WAC. The Utes also "hung" with some high-caliber teams this season as did the Y.

    I figure the Utes just ran out of gas, mentally and physically, this season. Absolutely no reason for it, but they had nothing in the tank for Colorado. Embarrasing is a great word for their little debacle.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    "What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title, conference title and bowl game"

    Don't kid yourself.

    What recruits want is as varied as the recruits themselves.

    Utah will never even sniff playing for a national championship, so you can scratch that one off the list.

    Some recruits want the BYU cultural experience, so you can scratch those off Utah's list.

    Some recruits want to play in a variety of venues across the country, so you can scratch those off Utah's list.

    Some recruits want their family and friends to be able to watch every game on national television, so you can scratch those off Utah's list.

    And a team that's only managed to win 6 conference championships in the last 60 years shouldn't be billing themselves as a regular conference championship contender.

    Recruits saw Utah's typical losing record in conference this year and how close Utah came to not even qualifying for a bowl.

    Just ran some numbers:

    BYU - #28 Coaches, #31 AP
    Utah - no votes in either poll

    Apparently, the ONLY people who care about Utah's early season turnover aided win are BYU obsessed Utah fans.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    54-10 -

    Duckhunters reply to you was:
    "...All of the national publications and pundits are talking about it. It is being discussed and laughed about over and over again by just about everyone. It is drawing not just scorn but actual pity and certainly amusement from poll voters, bowl officials, talking heads, pac12 officials, BYU fans, pac12 fans, and pretty much anyone that happened to hear about it."

    Duckhunter clearly doesn't exaggerate does he. Hahahaha.
    By the way, if Colorado beat Utah by 3 and Utah beat BYU by 44...hmmmm. LOL

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    I also just ran some numbers

    31-14
    35-14
    34-10
    and last but not least 17-14

    Utes had 3 blowouts, byu had one bad fluke game.

  • Gazpacho Logan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    As a long-time die-hard BYU fan, I would like to personally ask you to hang up your keyboard. I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Are you bored? Do you have no other reason to be here than to make pointlessly ridiculous arguments about the quality of Pac 12 and Utah football? Are you suggesting that BYU is better than Utah? Unfortunately, we have on-field, incontrovertible proof to the contrary (54-10)! I will root for my cougars to the bitter end, but you have got to stop giving me a bad name here!!!

    p.s.

    You too @Exutorloh!!

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    Interesting comparison of Colorado vs Utah. While not perfect, what would have happened if Utah had to play Colorado's PAC12 schedule with actual results from this year:

    California (L) But didn't count as a PAC12 game for Colorado
    Washington State (W)
    at Stanford (L)assumed
    Washington (L)
    Oregon (L) assumed
    Arizona State (L)
    USC (L)
    Arizona (W)
    UCLA (W)
    Colorado (L)

    Utah's PAC12 record at best would be 3-6, at worst 2-7 depending on which game was considered "Non-conference". That's the same record as Colorado or worse.
    Looks like the PAC12 newbies are two perfectly matched rivals fighting for the PAC12 South gutter.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    It's great to be a UTE!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Oregonian -

    I've got no problem accepting what you wrote. It's true, if Utah had to play Colorado's schedule this year they probably finish with about the same record Colorado had.
    I hate to admit it, but it is what it is.
    But realize this, Colorado played the #1 ranked schedule in the country AND they beat Utah who beat BYU 54-10...so...based on your line of thinking not only would Colorado have beaten BYU by 47 points but they'd be 9-2 going into the Hawaii game this week.
    It looks like there's a big difference playing in the Pac 12 and playing in the lower half of the WAC...I wouldn't come on here playing that comparison game, you'll lose every time...ESPECIALLY when BYU loses 54-10 to, as you describe them, a Pac 12 South gutter team.
    I guess we can sum this up as a difference in mind set. BYU is proud to be King of nothing with a gaudy record against nobodies and Utah is proud to go out and fight against tougher competition with the chance they'll have some ugly records on occasion.
    I'll happily take the latter.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    I love it. Utah has a letdown in a good league and the whole league stinks now.

    Utah broke a lot of fans hearts Friday when they blew it against Colorado, but they'll bounce back and play well in the Sun Bowl. Remember, with a 7-5 season, losing to 5 quality teams, playing 11 teams with a pulse with an injured team for the most part. Utah played a full season with only 1 guaranteed win, losing our starting quarterback and other main players and they won 7 games. But yet that one ruins everything.

    Yeah it stinks to lose to a below average Colorado team. But I doubt you see another letdown like this in a while. One thing about Whitt is that he bounces his teams back from these type of losses.

    Oregon, Stanford, and USC did well this year. I think Utah would have been right in the mix if playing with a real quarterback. Utah will be in the top 3 in years to come.

    As for Sorenson even bringing up Utah basketball, that was a joke! I can't judge Utahs basketball off this season. Boylen screwed the Utah program. Krsysko's years starts next year!

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    "btw, as much as blind Utah fans would like to pretend otherwise, one game, does not a season make."

    Beg to differ, one game does a season make, the Y loses ONE game and your seasons OVER, ONE game Uteanymous.

    btw, our Sun Bowl will give us a higher caliber team to play and tons more revenue than your little Copter Bowl.

    Keep trying Band of Lil Brothers!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    I had heard that if UCLA doesn't win the pac championship, they will finish with a losing record and may not qualify for a bowl? Is this true or has some sort of concession been made?

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    I love this debate over conference affiliation. There is no debate! Take your ESPN and live with it. As the college football powers move closer to the power leagues, BYU will be getting closer to moving in with Weber State. Im glad the ESPN thing has been such a good thing for the cougars. Lets be honest though. On November 19, which game was more interesting? The BYU/New Mexico St, or the Oregon/USC? And please don't get me started on the BYUtv, vs KJZZ topic. It was sure nice to have KJZZ pick-up Utah games this year before the extremely lucrative PAC12 network kicks in this summer.

    Utah may have lost to Colorado and lost a chance at a title game and a better bowl, but hey, they were playing for something other than themselves.

    I am bothered though with Sorenson's ignorence to the basketball situation. Utah is playing D1 basketball with some lowly recruited freshman other than Matthews, and a bunch of misfit Juco players who had nowhere else to go after recruiting was done. Utah will be back in hoops, just not this year. Will have to endure the worst season in UofU history!

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Nov. 28, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Re: motorbike

    I'm not sure what BYU has to do with my comments (so if BYU beats Hawaii, who beat Colorado, then is BYU a much better team than Utah?).

    You basically summed up just fine the point I was trying to make:

    "It's true, if Utah had to play Colorado's schedule this year they probably finish with about the same record Colorado had. I hate to admit it, but it is what it is."

    Your apparent obsession with all things BYU just adds to the embarassment of the PAC12 South. Congratulations on beating BYU, though. It appears that will be what you hang your hat on for years to come.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    @Th | 12:28 p.m.

    "Remember, with a 7-5 season, losing to 5 quality teams..."

    Do you really believe that Colorado, who was in ESPN's "Bottom 10" last week, is a "quality team?"

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    Why get into a Conference? Stay independent. During the next few years things will change! Play good teams and have patience. This issue appears weak at this point, but remember what happens to weak things.

    To bad on the Utah loss. You have to get up for every game. It will be great to see Utah whop some fanny in a Bowl Game.

    Go BYU in the Armed Forces Bowl, what a great way to honor those who know how to provide service.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    "Utah will be in the top 3 in years to come"

    Well - there you have it. Another ute chest pounder just jinxed his beloved utes.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Oregonian

    "Congratulations on beating BYU, though. It appears that will be what you hang your hat on for years to come."
    _____________

    At least we'll have something to hang our hat on.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    I just love Ducky's statement:

    "...All of the national publications and pundits are talking about it. It is being discussed and laughed about over and over again by just about everyone. It is drawing not just scorn but actual pity and certainly amusement from poll voters, bowl officials, talking heads,...and pretty much anyone that happened to hear about it."

    Is he talking about BYU's so called "national championship"? LOL.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Mike Sorensen,

    Nothing embarrasing about Utah losing to Colorado. Disappointing, certainly. Embarrasing, no. Anybody can beat anybody in the PAC-12.

    What is embarrasing is hundreds of BYU fans having joy over a 3-point Utah loss. After the EMBARRASING 54-10 pounding to Utah, and losing 7 of the last 10 to Utah, and 3 of those 5 losses to Utah by blowouts of 24 points or more, the comments disparging Utah from BYU fans is not only embarrasing, but is ridiculous. But, I don't mind if Cougar fans enjoy making fools of themselves with their comments, it is actually kind of entertaining. ;)

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    fender | 1:29 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011
    Washington, UT

    Don't pick on Ducky. She's real sensitive.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    @Oregonian | 12:55 p.m.

    "Your apparent obsession with all things BYU"

    Ironic isn't it? You being in here and all.

    "Congratulations on beating BYU, though. It appears that will be what you hang your hat on for years to come."

    Nope, I won't hang my hat on it. Don't really much care at this point, other than it is the only rational argument that needs to be made to settle the question of which team was better this year. So as long as BYU trolls come in here trying to make comparisons in a lame attempt to suggest BYU is better than Utah, I don't blame Utah fans for continuing to state the obvious fact that Utah beat your team's eyes shut this year.

    Good luck against Hawaii and in your upcoming bowl game. Happy Holidays.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 28, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    @ Utes Fan 1:37 p.m.,

    "Nothing embarrasing about Utah losing to Colorado. Disappointing, certainly. Embarrasing, no."

    Oh, how the mighty Utes have fallen if a Senior Day home loss to a "Bottom 10" team is not considered embarrassing. It sounds like you are content for Utah to become the next Duke, Kansas, Indiana, or Syracuse, only without a decent basketball program to make up for poor football seasons.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    @ Utes Fan | 1:37 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    I love the smack from the BYU "fans". Takes a lot of courage to talk smack about someone who beat you down to the tune of 54-10. Hope it doesn't stop when the DNews prints this week's edition of "Which BCS Conference is courting the Cougars next." The SEC?

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    Thanks Utah ! You did it again!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Yes, Yes and Yes some more.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    re: Motorbike

    "At least we'll have something to hang our hat on."

    Who's we? Are you back to BYU again?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    I like the term "embarassing" for the Colorado game. The Utes lacked intensity and strategy from the opening kickoff into the second half. Colorado certainly had a down year and they were not competitive in many of their games this year. But the Utes took most of the day off. That is actually embarassing. And disappointing.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    54-10

    17-14 lol must still sting.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    D'Anconia

    "So as long as BYU trolls come in here trying to make comparisons in a lame attempt to suggest BYU is better than Utah, I don't blame Utah fans for continuing to state the obvious fact..."

    Is unranked Iowa State(6-5) better than #3 Oklahoma State(10-1)?

    According to your logic, the Cyclones are better because last week, head-to-head, they beat the Cowboys.

    Apparently, BYU fans aren't the only ones who think BYU is better than Utah:

    AP Poll
    #31 BYU, 13 votes
    Utah unranked, no votes

    Coaches Poll
    #28 BYU, 29 votes
    Utah unranked, no votes

    Harris Poll
    #29 BYU, 39 votes
    Utah unranked, no votes

    The ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU proves is that for one mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better than BYU.

  • JosephMother Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Th said,

    "losing to 5 quality teams".

    I wish I could say that BYU's 3 losses were against quality teams but the truth is, they lost to two quality teams...and Utah.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    No excuses. Utah came out flat, thought it would be a walkover. Colorado came out with nothing to lose, and played aggressive football from the opening snap. Very disappointing lose to end a season, but doesn't take away from what Utah accomplished their first year in big-boy football.

    As always, let keep on track with facts, not opinions:

    Fact: 54-10 happened. Hasn't changed, will never change, and Utah/BYU do not play again this year.

    And to recap, here are the latest Sagarin computer rankings. Not SID opinions, just unbiased facts:

    Utah #38, SOS #40
    BYU #45, SOS #95

    Average ranking of all opponents:
    Utah - #57
    BYU - #90

    Best wins:
    Utah - #45 BYU, #52 UCLA, #59 Pitt, #63 Arizona, #79 WSU, #81 OSU
    BYU - #74 Utah State, #81 OSU, #82 UCF

    Worst Opponents:
    Utah - #91 Montanta State, #96 Colorado
    BYU - #93 Hawaii, #95 SJSU, #108 Ole Miss, #130 NMSU, #134 Idaho, #208 Idaho State

    Fact: Utah has 1 really ugly loss, but still have 4 wins over teams ranked higher than anyone BYU beat.

    Fact: BYU plays 6 teams ranked 90+, Utah plays 2. SOS is not even close.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    I just can't understand it...why do Utah fans keep repeating the score 54-10 of the basketball game they lost to Ashville.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    @Christy B

    "The ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU proves is that for one mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better than BYU."

    Sooooo True, what a great beat down that was in early September 54-10! Now we will be going to a far more superior Bowl game than your little Copter Bowl! With ours having a huge bank roll compared to your mere pittance!

    Who cares about any rankings under 10, its about bragging rights 54-10 for the next year, and MONEY!!!

    After you guys lose to Tulsa in the Copter Bowl in Texas, skip on over to the Sun Bowl in El paso, and watch how a real team plays in a real Bowl and beats a decent team most likely (Georgia Tech).

    Hang in there Band of Sister Christy.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    @JosephMother

    "I wish I could say that BYU's 3 losses were against quality teams but the truth is, they lost to two quality teams...and Utah."

    54-10 I would say thats a quality back end kicking!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    @Christy B | 3:10 p.m.

    I know polls are a big deal to BYU (i.e. 1984) but I much prefer head-to-head competition to decide who is the better team. 54-10 left no doubt in my mind. Comparing that drubbing to Iowa's OT win at home is weak. Oklahoma State has a body of work that suggests it has a very good football team, even with the one letdown. What does BYU have to offer as evidence that it is better than Utah? Keep in mind that it has 54-10 in head-to-head competition going against it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    @Gazpacho

    Another ute troll trying to pretend to be a BYU fan. Give it up. It doesn't work.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    Re: williary

    Funny how Utah fans support Sagarin when it favors them. How about this:

    Sagarin ELO_CHESS (the part of Sagarin that actually makes up part of the BCS ranking):
    BYU #44
    Utah #46

    AP:
    BYU #31 (13 votes)
    Utah no votes

    USA Today/Coaches:
    BYU #28 (29 votes)
    Utah no votes

    Harris:
    BYU #29 (39 votes)
    Utah votes

    There's no arguing that Utah's SOS is better, but all that does is explain their two additional losses.

    Then there's this that you conveniently left out:

    BYU's worse loss = Utah (38 or 46)
    Utah's worse loss to Colorado (96 or 91)

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    @Christy B
    "The ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU proves is that for one mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better than BYU."
    --------------

    No. It just proves a haunting trend for Cougar fans - that Utah's football program has been gradually passing BYU's. Since 2004, 3 of the last 5 victories of Utah over BYU have been blowouts by 24 points or more. 3 out of the last 4, and 7 out of the last 10 games have been Utah victories.

    See the trend? Last September just confirmed that ongoing trend.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    @ Veracity

    "I just can't understand it...why do Utah fans keep repeating the score 54-10 of the basketball game they lost to Ashville".

    Your tuning in and commenting on the wrong sport. It's football season and basketball season doesn't start until March.

    Ooooohhhhh.......I get it now! Your season ended in early September 54-10 to the hands of your big brother up north.

  • Robert Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    Go Trojans!

    Oh yeah... nowhere to go now. Still, one of the best football teams in the country at this point. Played toe-to-toe with Stanford a few weeks ago, and have gotten better since then.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Nov. 28, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    I'm sorry to hear about the injuries and hope that none are too serious. I wasn't able to watch the game yesterday (not that I would've anyway), but was surprised to see the score updates across the screen throughout.

    For those BYU haters out there with their negative posts towards BYU in the past-
    don't worry, "it's still so much better to play pac-10.2 teams at home and lose, then new mexico state and idaho and win".

    The irony is beautiful!

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Nov. 28, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    RE: UtahMan Dan

    We ran some numbers too. 7-6, thank goodness the u scheduled Div II team to start the year. But the number I like best is CU 17. Still giggling, LA Times and more one liners about the u and their lose to CU.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Yes its indeed embarrassing to read comments from fellow Cougar fans.
    We just have to accept that Utah is in a BCS conference. And that no conference will take BYU. Our ESPN contract poses a problem.

  • sweetnewss Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    Is it just me or does this whole pac12 is a weak conference because UCLA is representing the south in the championship game argument seem pretty ridiculous?

    This year is a totally unique set of circumstances! USC who would represent the south and is a top 15, probably top 10 team is under sanctions. The championship game should feature two top 10 teams this year! That's hardly embarrassing! If UCLA were the best team in the south that would be embarrassing, but they're not! Anyone who's followed the pac12 this year knows they're the 5th best team in the south and because of a couple key injuries and implosions they ended up getting in.

    The Big 12 and SEC are clearly the class of the country. After that I don't think anyone can make a reasonable argument that the Big 10 is much better than the pac12. I think they're two very even conferences from top to bottom.

    Maybe I'm just a huge ute homer but I would love to have some explain to me how being one of top 3/4 conferences in the country is embarrassing?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Sorenson is calling it straight. The PAC 12 is more embrassing than powerful and yes, Utah is part of that hide your head in shame assessment (remember how ute fans were talking NC to start the year?).

    What's wrong John Boy? Sue Ellen not come home yet?

  • Big Daddy Utah SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Mr. Sorensen, your article is mean spirited.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    canco | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011
    Sandy, Utah
    All we have heard all year is what a great league the PAC 12 is. As far as I am concerned that was just a bunch of hype. The PAC 12 is a WEAK league overall with 3 good teams and 9 pathetic sub par teams.

    ----------

    As opposed to the MWC?

    Enough said. Bottom line is, in the P12 we still come out better.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Hawkyo | 8:48 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011
    SYRACUSE, UT
    I began this year rooting for the u to do well, but after the byu/u game, all I heard was nastiness from ute fans. It took the sportsmanship right out of me. I stopped rooting for the U, and by the end, I was rooting against them.

    -----------

    My question is... why do you root for teams based on a sample of their fan base? Are the fans playing on the field, or is it the athletes?

    What a ridiculous basis to cheer or not cheer.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    @ Tomahawk Red

    You completely missed Hawko's point, didn't you? (Reinforced it, probably.)

  • sweetnewss Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    @ 3grandslams

    "remember how ute fans were talking NC to start the year?"

    Was that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad talking national championship to start the year?

    I follow Utah pretty closely and never heard anyone say anything about a NC. As opposed to cougar fans, we have a pretty good idea of where our program is. We're a solid program, but obviously there is a big gap between the University of Utah and National Championship contending teams!

    Hopefully BYU fans can figure out where there program is so we don't have to listen to the ridiculous NC talk again next fall camp!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    D'Anconia

    "I know polls are a big deal to BYU (i.e. 1984) but I much prefer head-to-head competition to decide who is the better team."

    So obviously, you believe that 3-10 Colorado, the worst team in the PAC 12, ranked in the 90's by the computers, is better than Utah.

    Congratulations bottom dweller!

    Utah fans are such hypocrits, citing polls when it suits them. What exactly did Utah do in 2004 to deserve to finish #5 in the Coaches Top 25? Utah didn't beat a single ranked opponent and only played three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    @Cougar Alum

    There is no Independent Conference, sorry to burst your self important bubble.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    sweetness

    It's a bitter pill ain't it?

    A "solid program" that sunk to below the half way mark in the lesser division in a mediocre conference with a 'stacked' schedule.

    Please wake me up in the next life when the proper time comes to mention U of U and NC in the same sentence.

    After the beatdown in RES by Colorado I'm really humored that a Ute fan would bring up the subject.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Nov. 28, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    Re: Giant Fan's comment "Funny how Utah fans support Sagarin when it favors them. How about this:"

    While the BCS does use the ELO Chess, you should also look at what Jeff Sagarin notes in his ratings "PURE POINTS is also known as PREDICTOR, BALLANTINE, RHEINGOLD, WHITE OWL and is the best single PREDICTOR
    of future games."

    Predictor has Utah ranked #29 and BYU #45

    Fact is that both teams have failed to beat any of the top three teams they faced this year and neither one is truly a top 25 team.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    No Conference Will Take Us | 5:43 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011
    SEATTLE, WA
    "We just have to accept that Utah is in a BCS conference. And that no conference will take BYU."

    ===

    No conference will take us? What a weak posting name.

    There will be no "BCS Conferences" after this year.

    The way I recall it being posted in the newspapers is that BYU's TV deal was too big for the other conferences. If every University in the country had BYU's "problem" there would be no conferences. If Utah had BYU's problem they wouldn't have needed to ride the more established schools coattails for TV money. So let it go.

    Is this how low the kids at Alumni House have gone?

    The PAC was embarassed over the weekend, and the only way many Ute fans can try to find solace is in posting mindlenss drivel about BYU?

    Geez, get a job, a life, a dog, or even a plant.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    re:sweetnews - you need to read more of your fellow fans postings...I'll give you a start...Chris B.

    BYU will say NC every year they are independent because...they are independent! Sorry you missed the context of that discussion. C'mon don't let hatred taint your interpretaitions so you only hear what you want to hear.

  • Disappointing Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    @ 17-14

    It is a bitter pill! It sucks losing to colorado!

    At least we have something to be bitter about though...

    An honest question to BYU fans...Will any of you really care if your team loses this weekend?

    If the answer is no, then that my friends is a bitter pill!

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Man, this whole thread is hilarious! I'm a Ute fan, but seriously guys, are you going to let a bunch of BYU fans with nothing better to do get you disgruntled? Both sides have hypocrites, don't just blame it on one fan base, that is what is considered a logical fallacy. Seriously, let's grow up and realize that these are college kids playing a game; it's fun to cheer for them, but let's not get too worked up over this! I will always root for the Utes, whether they're great or awful, and this year was somewhere around the middle, especially with their circumstances! So go Utes, I'll be cheering for the bowl game, as well as for basketball, and I look forward to a bright future!

  • sweetnewss Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    @ 3grandslams

    "I believe we can win a national championship...I think it's likely."

    Bronco Mendenhall, fall camp 2011.

    what context am I missing?

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas why do you think BYU has an ESPN contract as opposed to USC, LSU, Alabama and others?
    I will tell you. They are schools that sell themselves in conferences that sell themselves. They are on TV practically each week, generate ad sales and all kinds of revenue streams that BYU could never achieve.
    Notre Dame sells itself regardless. Something BYU will never equal.

    Just deal with it. No conference will take BYU.

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    @Jordan
    you are looking forward to a bright future in basketball....is that 15 years from now?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    D'Anconia

    "I know polls are a big deal to BYU..."

    Polls are a big deal to every team in the country, EXCEPT, the jealous kids on the hill. The polls have proved over and over that the rest of the country doesn't think nearly as much of the Utes as the arrogant Utes think of themselves - only 5 AP Top 25 finishes in the entire history of Utah football shows just how irrelevant Utah football has been for over a century.

    Even in Utah's best decade EVER, BYU still finished in the Top 25 more often than Utah.

    It's nearly the end of the season when rankings really start to mean something:

    AP:
    BYU #31 (13 votes)
    Utah no votes

    USA Today/Coaches:
    BYU #28 (29 votes)
    Utah no votes

    Harris:
    BYU #29 (39 votes)
    Utah votes

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 28, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    No Conference Will Take Us

    USC, LSU, Alabama are elite programs that add to the prestige of the conferences they play in. They're teams that fans across the country want to see. What exactly has Utah done this year that has added anything to the prestige of the PAC 12? When ABC/ESPN were selecting games to be nationally televised at the beginning of the season, Utah was completely ignored. Not even Utah's PAC 12 debut against USC drew enough interest from the bean counters to be picked.

    Given a choice, no network will take the Utes, which is why the Utes had to settle for KJZZ to broadcast most of their games.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 28, 2011 11:46 p.m.

    @truth machine

    Colorado beat Utah so I would be a fool to talk smack to the Colorado fans. They were the better team.

    Polls are what they are. They indicate what others think of your team. To be ranked high in the polls is nice but head-to-head competition is where it is at. Leave the popularity contests to American Idle and men's figure skating!

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:55 a.m.

    cougar fans, thank you for the entertainment! I enjoyed your envy, jealousy and obsession with the University of Utah's article.

    If you wish to validate my comment above, please count the byu troll posts on this article vs. Utah fan posts. The lopsided number of negative posts from cougar fans tells the story. byu fans are jealous of Utah's move to the PAC-12 conference and their stronger schedule. They are jealous that Utah has a new rival within a new conference and the fact that the byu vs. Utah game isn't as meaningful to Utah.

    I hope your mid-major program lands in a BCS conference someday soon so you will have something new to obsess about. Until then, please continue to focus more on Utah's PAC-12 games than your team's WAC games. I truly think the byu posters on this article would rather see Utah lose than byu win!

    After reviewing the posts, who should get a job, life, pet or plant? I'm thinking those obsessed fans that can't stand the fact that Utah joined the PAC-12. Would byu join if invited? In a heartbeat!

    Go Utes!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 5:49 a.m.

    No Conference Will Take Us | 10:29 p.m.
    SEATTLE, WA
    "Veritas Aequitas why do you think BYU has an ESPN contract as opposed to USC, LSU, Alabama and others?"

    ===

    Why does Notre Dame?

    Let me stop you. Utah is not LSU, Alabama, or others either.

    Dude, I called out you posting name because it is blatantly false. BYU left the MWC, had talks with the Big 12 and an invite from the Big East.

    As long as you kids can post your BYU hate tripe to make you feel good over "Ute-Homer" Sorensen's piece on the PAC embarassment, then your own embarassment continues.

    A Utah story about the PAC-12, and all Utah fans want to post is BYU hate.

    How sad is your program?

    ===

    @sweetnewss | 8:24 p.m.
    Orem, UT

    "remember how ute fans were talking NC to start the year?"

    "Was that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad talking national championship to start the year?"

    ===

    It was BYU, and look where it got them. Once you start telling people how good you are, they love to see you find humility, something many fans on the Wasatch Front needed and found this year.

    Peace.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    @giantfan

    "There's no arguing that Utah's SOS is better, but all that does is explain their two additional losses."

    I completely agree.

    And it's that #95 SOS that is the only reason BYU has a shiny 8-3 record, as you've just explained to a tee.

    And is the only reason they are receiving votes in either poll. Just as Arkansas State is.

    BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12 team, on their home field. You give them the 40th most difficult schedule in the country, instead of the 95th, just shows you the team they really are, instead of the 8-3 record aided with 5 WAC wins.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    Disappointing said,

    "An honest question to BYU fans...Will any of you really care if your team loses this weekend?

    If the answer is no, then that my friends is a bitter pill!"

    Are you seriously insinuating that BYU fans don't care if they lose this Saturday? Maybe that's how fans of your team feel for their team but I, for one, care very much if they win or lose. A win would be revenge for the gut-wrenching loss the last time BYU played in the islands. A win would be one more closer to double-digit wins for the season and would also be that much closer to a possible top-25 finish for the year. I'm sorry that Utah's season is now virtually over with the bowl game still to go, BYU certainly has something still to play for.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Re: williary

    "And is the only reason they are receiving votes in either poll. Just as Arkansas State is."

    I don't know anything about Arkansas State but I'm certainly not going to assume they are no good because of their name.

    "BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12 team, on their home field."

    So if Utah is 44 points better than BYU, Colorado is 47 points better? Since Colorado lost to Washington State by 3, then WSU is 50 points better than BYU? And since WSU lost to Oregon State by 23, OSU must be 73 points better than BYU? But wait, BYU beat OSU by 10! I'm confused!!

    Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to recognize, is that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten worse. I, for one, don't believe Colorado is better than Utah because they beat them in SLC. The Utes had a down game, much like BYU did 2 1/2 months ago.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Veritas Aequitas - Actually, it was both. But, only Utah had a golden opportunity paved for them by their conference. Who would have thought they would trip over their mediocrity. What would have happened if you had played Colorado's schedule. That's it, the conference conspired against CU to keep them out of the championship (conference) game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    @sweetnews

    "what context am I missing?"

    I don't think you're missing anything, I think what you are doing is purposely distorting what Bronco was saying. Having read that quote many times and the context it was in he was answering a question about whether or not he thinks BYU is capable of competing for and winning a National Chamionship but not laying claim or saying they would win THIS SEASON. Just that he feels they can, and maybe even will, at some time in the future.

    There is a big difference between that and what you are trying to falsely infer.

    My guess is you, and every other utah "fan", as well as whittingham, hill, and everyone else at the u feels exactly the same way about the utes. That they can compete and win a national championship at some point in the future.

    But I realize it is more fun to try and distort what people mean to try and make them appear to be delusional or unhinged. Nice try on your part I guess.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter | 9:27 a.m. Nov. 29, 2011
    Highland, UT

    Keep them coming Ducky. You are quite the comedy act.

    BTW 54-10 and your boys quit.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Duck,

    You're too much. This strategy of claiming people you disagree with are purposely distorting facts or "makin stuff up" only goes so far. Sweetnews isn't distorting anything and he isn't claiming anybody said "this season". The question was which staff/school/qb was "talking" NC at fall camp. Here's his statement:

    "Was that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad talking national championship to start the year? I follow Utah pretty closely and never heard anyone say anything about a NC. As opposed to cougar fans, we have a pretty good idea of where our program is. We're a solid program, but obviously there is a big gap between the University of Utah and National Championship contending teams!"

    The Tribune article from Aug. 29, 2011 quotes Mendenhall directly talking about winning a NC, and it also references a prior quote from QB Heaps doing the same.

    The only person distorting anything is you pardner.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Everything written about in this article was expected. There was not much else to say other than repeating the obvious by Mr. Sorenson.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Truth Machine:

    "What exactly did Utah do in 2004 to deserve to finish #5 in the Coaches Top 25? Utah didn't beat a single ranked opponent..."

    Utah's '04 schedule wasn't that great, but our body of work demonstrated total dominance. Utah didn't just beat their opponents...they annihilated them. And those lopsided scores weren't a product of running up the score. Those points were mostly scored in the 1st-Half.

    And Utah DID beat a ranked team. You are conveniently forgetting about Texas A&M. The Final BCS Poll for the 2004 season was published on Dec. 4th. At that time, Texas A&M was ranked #20. The Aggies were also ranked #22 in the AP poll, and #25 in the Coaches. A&M didn't fall out of the Final polls until after their loss to Tennessee in the Cotton Bowl. Nevertheless, the Utes DID beat A&M, and they WERE ranked at the time of the BCS Selection.

    Utah beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. After the Final polls came out, Pitt ranked 25th in the AP. So again, Utah DID beat a ranked team back in 2004. Unlike the cougars in 1984.

    And THAT's the TRUTH!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    @fender

    Of course that is what sweetnews was doing, nice attempt at pretending otherwise though.

    I personally am glad that Bronco believes that a National Championship is something BYU can accomplish again at some point. But of course being a school that has actually won a National Championship helps to give you that sort of confidence. Having actually done it already it is a very real thing. When you have never done it that is when it seems impossible to do. That is really the difference between BYU and utah. One has reached the pinacle and knows they can do it again. One has never done it and is resigned to always being less than the best.

    I find it very telling utah "fans" claim to "know what utah is" and are therfor content with mediocrity. We have much higher expectations and goals for BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas:

    "The way I recall it being posted in the newspapers is that BYU's TV deal was too big for the other conferences."

    Cougar fans have been quick to point out how joining the Big East would have netted them fewer dollars than their current ESPN package, but that's just cougar spin for getting rejected by yet ANOTHER AQ conference. According to the DNews' Nov. 22nd article "BYU football: Cougars won't be joining Big East" [Jeff Call], it was reported:

    "The issue remains that the Big East wants to work on getting BYU in. They have what they think is a fair deal that shows that if they work together they will make more money off a new TV deal. They are willing to make sure BYU gets as much per game or more than they do now."

    So there you have it. Cougar fans can no longer claim they'd lose money by going to the Big East. Y officials asked for too much because they thought they could, but in the end, they discovered they could NOT. Boise St. was the big prize. The Y wasn't worth it. So you're still unwanted mid-majors.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    giantfan:

    Are you seriously attempting to draw a comparison to Utah's 3-pt home loss to CU to YOUR 44-pt home loss to Utah?

    What a pathetic plea for validation. 54-10. You got OWNED. So OWN it.

    Utes > cougs.
    Pac-12 > Indy-WAC.
    Pac-12 schedules > cupcake WAC/CUSA/FCS schedules.
    Alamo Bowl > Holiday Bowl > Sun Bowl > Las Vegas Bowl > Fight Hunger Bowl > Armed Forces Bowl.
    Invited to an AQ conference > Rejected by 2 AQ conferences.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Duck

    Of course that's what he was doing? Show me, don't tell me. If you're going to make the claim, then back it up.

    It's great you get all warm and fuzzy when Bronco projects a NC, but it's not going to happen. You know it and I know it. BYU's NC is the very reason the system was tweaked to prevent a school with a watered down schedule from qualifying. You know it and I know it. Apparently all that "confidence" BYU got from its NC wasn't enough to avoid a 54-10 blowout by its biggest rival...oh, sorry, I forgot BYU didn't care enough and that's why they lost.

    Nobody's content with mediocrity, but it looks like you're stuck with it.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    @giantfan

    "Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to recognize, is that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten worse."

    You know that how?

    Because BYU has since gotten into the "meat" of their WAC schedule?

    BYU is doing exactly what Utah did last year. Beating up bad teams, while losing to good teams. Makes the record look nice, but shouldn't fool fans of that team. After Utah was thumped by TCU, ND and Boise last year, Utah fans were fully aware the 10-3 record was very flawed. Utah appeared to get worse as the season went along, or as they exited the MWC patsy schedule, much as BYU has entered it and appears to be a "better" team.

    Some other "facts" for you.

    Utah's O-Line and running game are much more efficient now than they were on 9/17. Line is much healthier, and John White is better.

    Utah's defense is MUCH better now. Guys who played in that BYU game don't even see the field anymore as others have emerged.

    Only fact that matters is 54-10. Not going to change. It happened, two months ago.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    "We have much higher expectations and goals for BYU."

    That's how you satisfy an already delusional fanbase. When you can't reach goal A, had something to do with the BCS and was printed on T-Shirts a few years ago, you conveniently move the goal even further away than goal A.

    It's much more admirable to fail shooting for the stars, as opposed to fail even doing something that Hawaii has done.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    @giantfan

    "Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to recognize, is that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten worse."

    So what? Who cares?

    Utah beat BYU. Move on and get over it already. sheesh

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    I love how much this is eating at the utah "fans" on here.

    LOL!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    D'Anconia

    "So what? Who cares?"

    You care, or you wouldn't be posting.

    Naval Vet

    Please explain how the Utes finished 4th in the pathetically weak PAC 12 South, and 8th overall with a losing PAC 12 record, when you didn't even have to play Stanford and Oregon?

    The truth hurts, but despite Utah's early season win at BYU, coaches and sportswriters from across the country now consider BYU to be the better team.

    AP Top 25
    #31 BYU - 13 votes
    Utah - no votes

    Coaches Top 25
    #28 BYU - 29 votes
    Utah - no votes

    Harris Top 25
    #29 BYU - 39 votes
    Utah - no votes

    Even Sagarin would rate a rematch of BYU-Utah at LES a tossup.

    You like to brag about SOS, but you conveniently ignore losses.

    BYU losses:
    #14 Texas by 1
    #21 TCU by 10
    #38 Utah by 44

    Utah losses:
    #9 USC by 9
    #30 Cal by 24
    #35 ASU by 21
    #40 Wash by 17
    #95 Col by 3

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    I love how the Ute fans try to 'sugarcoat' their loss to the worst Pac 12 team with a miserable 4 yr on the road record, etc.

    A 'one' win season. That's so special.

    Spin baby spin. This is hilarious.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Swoop

    Would that be the same Sagarin who refused to recognize BYU in '84?

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    That's funny. ESPN has the PAC rated as third best conference in the nation. Boy is that embarrassing.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    @chicagoborn

    Well when you have nothing to brag about with your team then you can always fall back on bragging about the conference I guess. That more than any other factor is why utah is so dependent on a conference to prop them up. It gives the utah "fans" some sense of relevence and in their mind makes them feel as if they actually have some conection to something of quality.

    Congratulations?

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    No Ducky, my team beating yours by 44 which was the 7th win out of the last 10 head to head; that makes the Utes relevant in terms of their only dealings with your mid major WAC team in Provo. Ducky, it must be rough to be overmatched as soon as you open your eyes in the morning.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    @swoop

    Yawn

    Yup. Utah didn't have a great season. Oh well. At least we beat (to a pulp) BYU, strung together four straight wins in the PAC-12, and are bowl eligible. That beats a stick in the eye, especially considering the fact that we lost our starting QB. I'm satisfied with the season. Actually it was very entertaining. I'm happy for you too. As long as BYU fans are happy with independence, the November line-up, and a few votes in the polls, that's all that matters. We all win.

    Cheers!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    fender

    Since Sagarin doesn't award national championships, I couldn't care less what his final rankings in 1984, 1996, 2004, or 2008 were.

    The AP and Coaches polls are the ONLY final polls that anyone cares about.

    All five major selecting organizations voted BYU #1 in 1984 - that's the only thing that really matters, despite jealous Utah fans' feeble attempts to rewrite history.

    It's hillarious how the Utes beat their chests about playing in a couple of BCS bowls, but then pretend that the OFFICIAL BCS poll, the Coaches Poll, doesn't exist, when citing their final rankings. Utah has never finished higher than 4th in the official BCS poll.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    @pebbles

    The BYU game will always make or break utah's season.

    Le minerai de plus que les choses changent elles restent les memes.

    LOL!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    @Swoop

    Utah and BYU do not play again this year. They already did, Utah won 54-10 on BYU's home field. Won't change, no matter how this hypothetical 2nd matchup would go according to BYU fans "expert" opinions.

    I have no idea the point you're trying to prove. Yes, both Utah and BYU lost to the best teams on their schedule this year. What you fail to recognize is that mixed in with those losses, Utah has 4 wins against teams better than anyone BYU has beaten this year. BYU, UCLA, Pitt and Arizona are all better than BYU's best win of the year.....Utah State.

    The best win either team has is Utah over #45 BYU. Followed by Utah over #52 UCLA, #59 Pitt and #63 Arizona. Next is BYU over #74 USU, followed by Utah over #79 Washington State.

    Utah beat some decent teams this year, BYU has beaten nobody. Your best win is over a 6 win WAC team!

    And yes, SOS #40 is MUCH different than SOS #95. It's laughable that you brush it off as a small piece of the equation.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    @17-14

    If Utah beating BYU, and UCLA/Pitt/Arizona/WSU, is a one-win season

    ....

    What does that say about the team whose best win is over Utah State?

    What is proves is that BYU fans are more than happy accepting a shiny 10 win season, that includes 6 wins over WAC teams, and 6 wins over teams ranked 90+ by the computers.

    But that makes sense. When you get beat by a 4-5 Pac-12 team by 44 points on your home field, you'll gladly take your seat back at the kiddy table.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "That more than any other factor is why utah is so dependent on a conference to prop them up."

    As opposed to BYU's 10 win season being propped up by their 6 wins over WAC teams?

    Considering BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12 team at home, it's a darn good thing they have the WAC patsies to prop up their win column.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Swoop

    I take it that would be a "yes"?

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Ya know what the funniest things about BYU fans knocking the Pac-12 and UCLA being the south champions at 6-6 is?

    In 1984 BYU played a 6-6 team for their all-time signature win.

    and Wow their are a lot of Utah haters on here.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    jdub,

    I'll take your thought even further.

    That "championship" team from '84 forced 5 tunrovers, but still only managed to win by 7 points. Ineptitutde at its finest. What's worse, Michigan was the 6th best team in the Big 10 that year. I'll say it again - the 6th best team in the Big 10 conference. The '84 team can't even claim that they beat the best Big 10 team. Hardly a "title" game.

    I am responding to the many, many Y fans who have appeared on this, a Utah article. Too bad a simple 54-10 or 7 of the last 10 won't quiet them.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    I was wrong - BYU had 5 TOs in that game. They didn't force 5 turnovers. Hardly a well-oiled machine on offense. Michigan was so bad they couldn't generate any points from all of those turnovers.

  • Colorado's BFF Springville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    If one lousy fieldgoal had gone in then this article would not have been written.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    jdub1942

    "Ya know what the funniest things about BYU fans knocking the Pac-12 and UCLA being the south champions at 6-6 is?

    In 1984 BYU played a 6-6 team for their all-time signature win."

    Ya know what's hillarious is how clueless Utah fans are about BYU's all-time signature win - that would be BYU beating the U, #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami.

    BYU's win over Michigan was simply the final game in a 24-game winning streak that culminated in back-to-back Top 7 finishes and a Concensus National Championship!

    What bothers the kids on the hill the most is knowing that BYU already has what Utah will never, ever, even come close to having -- a crystal football National Championship Trophy!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    fender

    No, that would be the same Sagarin who ranked Utah #5 in 2008, even though the kids living in that crimson bubble on the hill are constantly claiming that the Utes finished #2 and should have been #1.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 30, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Sagarin only ranked the Utes #5 in 2008?

    I guess all of those wins over Top 25 teams weren't nearly as impressive as Utah like to pretend they were.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    williary

    "Utah and BYU do not play again this year..."

    Neither do Utah and Colorado - you'll just have to live with the fact that the Utes finished their season losing to the worst team in the PAC 12... a fitting segue to basketball season where Utah is the worst team in the PAC 12.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    How many 7-5 seasons can Kyle have before Utah fans start calling for his head?

    Utah's schedule was so weak this year, that four of Utah's nine conference opponents have already fired their coaches.

    And even with that pathetically weak schedule, with Utah's only decent division competitor ineligible and not having to play Oregon or Stanford, K-Whit was still so inept that he couldn't beat a 2-10 team to finish ahead of a 6-6 team to win the division.

    You can blame it all on Wynn's injury, but whose fault was it that the Utes only had a DII QB to back up their injury-prone starter?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 1, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    "U. helped Pac-12 embarrassment"

    Helped???

    More like major contributor.

    How do U waste a gift-wrapped division title by getting dominated at home by one of the worst teams in the country?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    @phoenix

    And yet, you don't see Utah fans making excuses for the Colorado debacle. Claiming that if that game was played again, the result would be different. Giving no credit to CU.

    You have accurately displayed the huge difference between the two fan bases.

    One can man-up after a lose, and lives in reality. The other has an amazing ability to completely forget anything they want to.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    Most commented story on D-News site right now, with more than double the comments of any BYU story.

    BYU fans, or just Utah haters?

    Pretty clear.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    @williary

    "Most commented story on D-News site right now, with more than double the comments of any BYU story."

    Most recent game played with the most hilarious outcome.

    LOL!

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Simple fact...both BYU and Utah are just not that good. Neither team owns bragging rights given the fact that both teams have suffered embarrassing losses this year. BYU simply can't win the big games and when they continue to lose those kinds of games on national TV, BCS respect will NEVER come, even when they win big against the small colleges.

    Utah fans continuing to brag about their win over hapless BYU certainly doesn't make Utah any kind of giant killers. Utah fans should be hiding in dark corners with sacks over their heads after the debacle with CU.

    One can only hope that both teams will get better, which will probably happen despite some of their comical fans. However, it sure makes for great entertainment to see both BYU and Utah fans go at it in a sea of irrelevance.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Swoop

    Yep, the same Sagarin who rated Utah 5th in 2008 and BYU something like 9th in 1984. The same Sagarin used by the BCS since its inception in 1998 to avoid the embarrassing strength of schedule mess created by BYU in 1984. There were 47 rating entities in 1984 and 21 of them voted Florida #1, more than those voting for BYU. The NCAA website under "Past National Champions" lists Florida, Nebraska and Washington along with BYU for 1984 and simply indicates the rating services next to each school. So much for official, Swoop, but thanks for playing.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 1, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    fender

    Get your facts straight.

    There were 5 MAJOR college football national champion selecting organizations in 1984 and ALL of them chose BYU as the National Champion.

    AP - Associated Press
    FWAA - Football Writers Association of America
    NFF - National Football Foundation
    USA/CNN - USA Today / CNN
    UPI - United Press International

    The exact same five organizations that selected Miami and Oklahoma as national champions in 1983 and 1985.

    Nebraska and Washington didn't even win the conference championships, and Florida didn't play in a bowl in 1984 because the Gators were ineligible, which calls into serious question the credibility of your 21 minor rating agencies.

    The Official NCAA website under /history/football/fbs lists BYU as THE 1984 National Champion.

    NCAA FBS Championship History
    Year | Champion | Selecting Organization

    1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 Miami AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    williary

    You don't see Utah fans making excuses for the Colorado debacle...

    because there aren't any excuses for the Colorado debacle.

    Utah was playing the last regular season game of the season, at home, in decent weather, with a +1 turnover margin, against one of the worst teams in the country.

    Yet for the entire first half, Utah was completely dominated.

    Col 10, 254 yards, 13 first downs
    Utah 0, 39 yards, 1 first down

    With a gift-wrapped trip to the PAC 12 championship game on the line, Utah suffered a complete meltdown.

    What excuse can you make for such an inept performance?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    @fender

    The MOST IMPORTANT ranking is #1
    The ONLY polls where that ranking counts are AP and Coaches

    1984 BYU #1 AP and #1 Coaches

    bitter Utah fans can whine all they want to about SOS, bowl opponents, etc., etc., but after comparing BYU's season for over a month with the seasons of with Washington, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Florida, the majority of sportswriters and coaches still felt that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team to be selected national champion in 1984.

    Feel free to hang a banner for finishing #5. Nobody cares.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Swoop:

    "Utah was completely dominated."

    "Dominated"? We lost by a 3-pts following a missed FG as time expired. Utah didn't play a good game last weekend, but I would hardly describe our production as having been "dominated". "Dominated" is getting blown out by 44-pts on your Home field and watching your team quit. "Dominated" is losing 7 of the last 10. CU outgained us by 99-yds. Utah outgained the Y by 127. And THAT was because the Endzone kept stopping a lot of our drives. Do you STILL want to go with "dominated"?

    Silly frantic and emotional coug.