All we have heard all year is what a great league the PAC 12 is. As far as I am
concerned that was just a bunch of hype. The PAC 12 is a WEAK league overall
with 3 good teams and 9 pathetic sub par teams. The PAC 12 championship game is
a sham which will produce zero ratings and feature a UCLA team that can't
possibly win under any circumstances. I would much rather watch New Mexico
State play Utah State. At least that game may have a little drama.
Sure utah's loss to colorado was embarrassing but the truth is the media types
like Sorenson, and the utah "fans" should be even more embarrassed by
hyping utah as being any good because they beat 4 terrible teams the previous 4
weeks. All of the articles about the utes "spectacular
turnaround" and calling john white the "player of the year" and
whittingham the "coach of the year" are what's really embarrassing.It is now obvious the pac12 is not a particularly good league with the
excaption of 3 teams. It is even more evident that the pac12 south is probably
worse than almost any other d1 league. The fact utah could go 4-5 in that laugh
of a league and still almost make it to the championship game should humiliate
larry scott. But really what does it matter if it is a crappy utah
team or a crappy ucla team getting drilled by oregon next week? Either way it is
an embarrassment and I personally am just glad it won't be our state being
humiliated by utah once again this season.
Conference of Champions. Sheesh.
Re: DuckhunterDoes 54-10 remind you of anything?
I began this year rooting for the u to do well, but after the byu/u game, all I
heard was nastiness from ute fans. It took the sportsmanship right out of me. I
stopped rooting for the U, and by the end, I was rooting against them. But even
I didn't dare dream that they'd lose to CU. My wife laughed so hard when I told
her, (she used to live in CO) I thought she'd die. None of the teams in Utah
lived up to their potential this year. Let's hope they do better next year.
Although, I can't promise I'll root for the U again next year. After what I
saw/heard/read from Utes, I'll have to think long and hard about sending any
good vibes their way.
I think BYU playing BYE at the end of November is more embarrassing!
Root had a replay of the utah colorado game so I watched most of it for a second
time. It was like watching a movie you have seen before and you know you love
how it ends but throughout the movie you still get nervous when the plot
thickens and the characters are overcoming the dilemna presented. But, like
watching good movies again, it was a perfect ending again and fit for the fan
base! So perfect that usc and cal won too! That made this so perfect.
@canco - you think the PAC-12 is a weak league. Look at the rankings with 2
teams in the top 10 (would be 3 if USC wasn't on probation). What is weak is
the Utes, in the PAC-12 you have to be ready to play every week. The hype by
this writer is what is embarrassing.
The U did great this season with what was given to them. all in all a good
season, fun to watch and a lot to look forward to.We will get better
with each year!
I feel the Utes are better off than we are in this ridiculous Indy
conference.They have something to play for, one loss and our season is
over!It upsetting when they better us each year!Fire
Mr. SOREnsen sounds like a bitter BYU apologist. Utah is in a conference.
Time for cougar fans to move on and settle for second best to nothing. We are
independent after all.
Dave S Re: DuckhunterDoes 54-10 remind you of anything?Hang on to this Dave...after a couple of more years, it will still be
all you have...KKCC I think BYU playing BYE at the end
of November is more embarrassing! I am glad Utah didn't play BYE,
they would have lost that one as well.
Just a couple of thoughts.Sorensen maybe you should relocate to a
city where you can follow the MWC. You seem to be pretty fond of it and we
don't want to hold you back.Duckboy - I think the biggest
embarrassment is your obvious jealousy of the Utes. I know their success in BCS
games and now the inclusion in the PAC12 must just be eating at you. I'm sorry
that your team hasn't been relevant in college football for over 25 years but I
think you need to find more hobbies than posting on every Utah related article.
Of course its not too early to claim the national championship for next year.
Bronco did say they would win it all and we all know the cougs are the perennial
preseason national champions - so maybe that can be your thing.Embarrassment can't get much worse than 54 to 10 on your home field though.
Luckily you have those huge wins over Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State to
make you feel better.
@qwest forgottenIt looks like I am formost in your thoughts. But of
course anyone whose screen name is just a reference to thier big brother is the
one with the obsession problem.LOL!
Hawk | 8:35 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011 Littleton, COConference of Champions.
Sheesh.--Look at all the titles the PAC has. They are
the Conference of Champions.Must be nice for Utah. They have a home for
all sports. While we are stuck in a sub conference with small schools, and an
independent football program going nowhere playing sub conference teams.
@No Conference Will Take UsLol, so true. It stinks to be stuck on
ESPN all year long. It's horrible that our football team can actually beat 2
win teams and that we have the potential for a 10 win season. It's terrible
that the WCC is a better basketball conference than the PAC 12 and that BYU
actually can field a competitive basketball team. And don't even get me started
on the whole BYUtv versus KJZZ debate.It's just so hard to be a
Cougar fan right now :)Go Cougars!
Embarrassing is BYU trying to get into a conference. WAC=Fail, Big 12=Fail, Big
East=Fail. What is embarrassing is all you jealous BYU fans screaming
across the internet,just admit defeat. BYU=irrelevance. Even with
the loss the Utes will still be in a better bowl game.
It's hard to take a league seriously when one of its teams, while playing for a
berth in the league's championship game with 4 league losses, loses its final
regular-season game to a team in ESPN's "Bottom 10."
For the life of me I can't figure out why some Ute fans think having a bye is an
embarrassment. So they had one extra bye..their season also ends a week later.
how could byu afford to pay a couple of teams to play them .5million dollars
each this season?
They lost to CU! I am having a problem accepting this fact...how do you lose to
CU at home? I have been enjoying the comments by ESPN, The LA Times and the
local Utah & Colorado newspapers but it is still difficult to accept. The
PAC 10.2 is over rated sorry to see they'll have two teams in a BCS bowl game.
I believe both Stanford and UO will lose their bowl games...the conference beat
down continues. UCLA, the Southern Division Champions lost to SC by
50 points...what a weekend.
BYU is in a great situation with national TV every game. That's what the
recruits want and that's what they will get for the next 7+ years.BYU is on the rise.
@JohnBoyLast time I looked, BYU didn't want to be in a conference.
Big 12 and Big East came to BYU, BYU wanted to retain its TV rights, both
conferences wouldn't let them, so discussions ended. The thing
about BYU is we don't need a conference to be 'relevant'. BYU can stand alone,
unlike certain other teams who will make any concession necessary to get into a
conference (Utah, cough cough).I know that's hard for U to
understand, but there it is. Hey, at least the PAC 12 gave U the easiest
possible schedule U could have for your first year to try to help U seem like U
belong in the PAC 12. All U did with it was go 7-5 and lose to the worst team
in the PAC this year (which is saying something, since there are a LOT of bad
teams in the PAC). Good job. :)Go Cougars!
Mike buddy... Please vote for Griffen of Baylor.... 66-42 was exciting....
Beating Oklahoma was exciting.... You can not with a clear conscience vote for a
MWC nobody! This was the best season in Baylor football history... At least in
the Big XII. He deserves the votes! He deserves yours! He deserves to join the
many many names from Texas to garner the title of Heisman of the year.
JohnBoy Embarrassing is BYU trying to get into a conference.
WAC=Fail, Big 12=Fail, Big East=Fail. What is embarrassing is all you
jealous BYU fans screaming across the internet,just admit defeat.
BYU=irrelevance. Even with the loss the Utes will still be in a
better bowl game. And you will be embarrassed again...Just on the UP
wire service...PAC 12 exercising "Ooops" and are discharging Utah from
the conference...can't say I don't blame them.
Dave S Re: DuckhunterDoes 54-10 remind you of anything? Yes, Yes it does...wasn't that the final basketball score when you lost
Once again I will come to the defense of Mike Sorenson. He is not a BYU
apologist. He is from what I could see on Wellington Street a staunch Utah fan.
Maybe all you in Washington should just step all the way off and go back to your
Seattle newspapers. Most of your comments have been far from objective and
rather unintelligent at the same time. Conference of Champions smack artists...
Can you name the last BCS championship this alleged conference of champions won?
That's right, it is the one that had to be vacated because of Cheating! Makes
you wonder how much other cheating has gone down over the years to garnish so
many trophies. Perhaps it is the investigation of USC that has led the other
teams conference wide (outside of CU and UU) to playing true and with integrity
and being the laughable beatable pimples they have become. Independence is not a
conference. If it was a conference BYU Notre Dame and Army/Navy would be forced
to play each other year after year... Will you guys please be objective and come
to these boards with at least something intelligent to say!
JohnBoyJohnBoy, keep your head up...Utah has just announced that
their goal in their Bowl game is two first downs in the first half...it is
important to set your goals high...good luck Utes, your brave to strive for two
first downs even if it is unattainable.
CaliforniaCougar said:"BYU is in a great situation with
national TV every game. That's what the recruits want and that's what they will
get for the next 7+ years.BYU is on the rise.Recommend"What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a
national title, conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't
win, that means you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating
or less on ESPN. Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce
wins and draw interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans.
Recruits would rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself
from joining a BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra
baggage that nobody wants to deal with.
Better to be in a conference and be playing for something than being a pretender
like BYU who has nothing to play for except helmet stickers and feeling puffed
by beating WAC teams after getting wailed on 54-10. Utah will get more recruits
and more depth. BYU will be like Napoleon Dynamite's Uncle Rico and live in the
past in the van in the middle of nowhere.
JustTheTruthMan said:"Once again I will come to the defense of
Mike Sorenson. He is not a BYU apologist. He is from what I could see on
Wellington Street a staunch Utah fan. Maybe all you in Washington should just
step all the way off and go back to your Seattle newspapers. Most of your
comments have been far from objective and rather unintelligent at the same time.
Conference of Champions smack artists... Can you name the last BCS championship
this alleged conference of champions won? That's right, it is the one that had
to be vacated because of Cheating! Makes you wonder how much other cheating has
gone down over the years to garnish so many trophies...."Speaking of unintelligent...........Leave it to a BYU fan to ask if
someone cheated at water polo or gymnastics for a title.
Both BYU and Utah have their embarrassing games this season. Both have work to
do. The lack of a conference for BYU is irrelevant. We will get some really
important exposure over the next seven years. And we will have a Championship
run. So will Utah.
Pacific Northwest just go home already... Do not put words in the mouth of
someone you know little about. But, you brought it up.... The only championships
of merit that this alleged conference of champions has is in sports like
gymnastics and water polo. When is the last in Basketball? How many in 20 years?
Only one in football since the BCS corruption went into effect and the SEC owns
that corruption. They have also won what... 2 in a row in March? The laughable
pac-12's claim at 'conference of champions' has as much spunk backing it up as
the over referred to quest for perfection a few years ago. And, since you
brought it up..... Did you notice the conference title that BYU brought home
this season? I didn't think so... You only have one thing in your sights and it
is the most irrelevant of all.... Football as it is today will not be how it is
in 25 years from now. The move to the PAC-12 will be as irrelevant then in the
overall big picture as it was in 2011 for the Utes and all but Stanford and
What is so important about BYU being in a conference - Notre Dame has been
independent for decades and still is respected on a national level even when the
have a bad year. Why is the BCS such an issue, it is a joke when Alabama will
play LSU for a 'national' championship. There will not be a champion until the
BCS is gone and the NCAA has a playoff system to decide a real champion. It can
Apparently JustTheTruthMan can't handle the truth.It's easy. Just
look up all the titles that the PAC has won. They are indeed the conference of
champions.Since us Cougar fans like to hang onto 1984. Well lets go back
in time some more. UCLA won 7-8 NCAA basketball titles in a row. Arizona was won
multiple basketball titles. Oregon St. won back to back college world series
recently. Yes USC has been in trouble, but have always been good at football.
And what do we have? Membership in the mighty mid major WCC. Yeah,
we are cool.
U R Lucky because you are going to the Vegas Bowl and that isn't tied into the
WAC or you'd end up losing your bowl game to Utah State. So you've side-stepped
being embarrassed again by your "oldest" rival, USU. Not to say that
you won't blow it again by playing TCU in Vegas.......For having a
"soft" and carpeted welcome mat path extended your first year for you
to reach the PAC 12 Title Game, well, U blew it! All the stars lined up,
especially those writing newspapers sports columns, and you just let them all
down, big time. And then to top it off, you said "I don't know why we
lost." Well, "Get used to it."U Football <
PatheticAnd how about UCLA getting thumped by 50 points? They're
the PAC 10.2 southern div champions. BTW, that's more margin than 54 - 10. Why
aren't U harping about that important "beat down?" It gave you the
last puzzle piece to waltz into the PAC Championship Game......too bad it was
worthless to U. I think Colorado might become a new favorite
school for which I will cheer.
Woodyff I don't exactly agree with a potential LSU vs Alabama rematch either. I
thought the BCS rules changed a few years ago that you had to win your
conference title in order to be eligible for the national championship.
Just a reality check: The PAC 12 South 'Champion' got out-scored in its final
two losses 81-6.
Craig Thompson is really laughing at BYU & Utah........
@ Honor CodeIs he laughing at TCU, Boise State and Air Force too?
He is in trouble.
I don't see it as embarrassing at all. I see it as the South Division and
probably the PAC-12 as a whole has a great deal of parity. Coming into this
league, someone said, on any given day any team can beat any other team in the
@toosmartforyouAir Force will stay and TCU and BSU will cater to the
football program and the rest of their sports will struggle. MWC will come out
of this unscathed and BYU for sure will be wishing they'd have stayed........but
no one wants them now!
We told you so. No one said moving to a 'big boys conference' would
be easy... except of course Ute fans.South Division Championship
Quest... nadaConference Championship Quest... nadaRose Bowl...
nadaTop 25 ranking... nada2011 BCS game... nadaBCS Rookie Team
of the Year... nadaColorado's BFF, you betcha!
"Even with the loss the Utes will still be in a better bowl game."I wouldn't be so sure of that. UCLA, Washington and California are all
better draws and will get picked ahead of Utah. Best case scenario, Utah gets
invited to Las Vegas. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Las Vegas took a
pass, given Utah's poor performance and inability to purchase all their tickets
last year. This would drop Utah to the Fight Hunger bowl. BTW, how
much revunue will Utah get for their bowl appearance this year?
You guys ripping on the PAC south champ are losing it. the PAC south champ is
USC and will be noted as so in the record books. UCLA is the fill in for them
while they're on probation. At the end of the year USC was the best team in the
Hawko: of course byu fans are never too blame. We're just too special to have
Embarrassing loss or not, I'm just glad we gave BYU fans at least on thing to
get excited about this year. It's fun to be relevant!
New rival 1 Utah 0This just got serious.
UtahBy44"The U did great this season with what was given to
them. all in all a good season, fun to watch and a lot to look forward
to."Beg to differ, but the PAC 12 gift-wrapped a division title
for the Utes and the Utes couldn't even beat a 2-10 team to claim their prize.
Utah didn't beat a single conference opponent with a winning record. Utah's ONLY
quality win during the entire season was a 7 turnover gift from BYU.K-Whitt is to blame for "what was given to the Utes", that is, not
having a single D1 calibre QB to backup a fragile, injury-plagued QB still
recovering from season-ending shoulder surgery.That the Utes
couldn't win a pathetically weak PAC 12 South, shows just how pathetically weak
the Utes were throughout the season.btw, as much as blind Utah fans
would like to pretend otherwise, one game, does not a season make.
yeah, but we're in the pac 10 plus 2. isn't that all that matters? oops. and we
beat byu this year. that's all that matters. right?
Make the best of it - losing to Colorado. Hide behind the weak PAC-12 label,
think of the money, hype next year - anything to take the focus off a bad
season. And don't even mention basketball.
@dave sKeep clinging to that. That will always make or break utah's
season.Le minerai de plus que les choses changent elles restent les
@Uteanymous,I thought our backup QB managed the game just fine. He
wasn't the one who missed a 28 yard field goal on one drive, coughed up the
football on the next drive, or missed the field goal in the waning moments of
the game. And by the way, USC won the division title. It was the
championship game that was gift wrapped. But I don't want my team to be
"given" the opportunity to play in such a game. I'd rather they earn
it. Entitlement isn't a concept that sits well with me as a Utah fan.
I remember a lot of field goals like that missed against BYU...sad
loss...oh, not really. I'm basking in your pain.
@nightowl"What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a
national title, conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't
win, that means you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating
or less on ESPN. Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce
wins and draw interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans.
Recruits would rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself
from joining a BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra
baggage that nobody wants to deal with."That sounds good I
suppose but of course reality tells us differently. BYU has a recruiting class
ranked in the high 30's this year. Utah's in in the 60's and virtually
unranked.I guess just saying stuff doesn't actually make it so.LOL!
Y'all forget - the PAC12 is not and will never be about Utah in football. It
will always be about Oregon, USC and Stanford, in that order.Oregon
lost to USC by missing a game tying FG, and played the best of anyone this year
against #1 LSU. Stanford played well until coming up against the Oregon
juggernaut.Why do any PAC12 FB discussions even include Utah?
This loss to Colorado is going to sting for awhile. Colorado hasn't won a road
game for years, yet they came into Salt Lake and outcoached and outplayed a Utah
team living on hype that weekend. Were they looking past Colorado and thinking
about Oregon? Horrible, horrible loss, and such a lost opportunity. This one
is going to stick for a few years. I feel like we should apologize to WSU and
UCLA because we really aren't as good as we were in those snow games.
@ J-TX - because Ute fans have thought they have the best football team in the
nation, they just found out that moving up is harder than they thought, or their
team is less than what they hoped for.
@d'anconia"And by the way, USC won the division title."Actually the pac12 decided that whoever finished 2nd (ucla) can call
themselves south division champion. Kinda like jr. jazz where everyone gets to
be called a "champion" and they all get a trophy. Pathetic.LOL!
@ Duckhunter - d'anconia is correct, USC won the southern division but is not
eligible for post season play due to NCAA sanctions. And to the 'post' that
doesn't think the PAC-10 is the conference of champions, take a look at their
record for the past couple of decades and see just how many national
championships they have, not just football, but all sports. They are a
conference of champs, it will just be a long time before Utah can be part of
that tradition of excellence. It is just 'sour grapes' from Ute fans because
they thought they would come in and dominate the conference and ended up in the
Duckhunter | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 28, 2011 Highland, UT@nightowl"What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title,
conference title and bowl game. Yes TV is fun but if you don't win, that means
you loose in front of a national audience pulling a 1.5 rating or less on ESPN.
Bragging about an HD truck and ESPN contract will not produce wins and draw
interest from anyone other than wishful thinking cougar fans. Recruits would
rather play for something. Not for a school that excludes itself from joining a
BCS conference because of a TV contract that has now become extra baggage that
nobody wants to deal with."That sounds good I suppose but of
course reality tells us differently. BYU has a recruiting class ranked in the
high 30's this year. Utah's in in the 60's and virtually unranked.I
guess just saying stuff doesn't actually make it so.LOL!--You are right duck hunter, reality does tell us differently. We lost to Utah at LES 54-10.
@WoodyfActually it was reported that the pac12 decided that because
of usc's probation that whoever finished 2nd gets to call themselves south
division champ. So yes for the pac12 ucla is the south division champ, not usc.
utah, and whittingham in particular, spent all last week talking about how they
weren't going to apologize for being south division champs despite their poor
record and usc's probabtion. Of course we all know how that turned out. But for
2011 ucla is officially the south division chmaps as far as the pac12 is
CougFaninTX, In order for UCLA to go bowling they have to do the
unfathomable.... Follow up a 0-50 embarrassment from USC with a win against
Oregon in Eugene.... If UCLA loses, their 5-3 conference record will not be
enough to get them in a bowl game.... 6-7 hardly qualifies as a winning record.
Another note: when Oregon beats UCLA, UCLA will have a record of 6-7 and will
need to appeal to the NCAA to be considered for a bowl game. This coming from
the Pac-12 South Champ!
Cougar fans are funny. You all come out in force to talk about the Pac 12 and
the Utes.Sounds like you're all obsessed and jealous of a team that went
7-5 in the supposedly horrible Pac 12.I'd believe what your selling if I
could, but reality tells me you all have some serious jealousy and an obvious
inferiority complex.The truth is this...whether 12-0, 0-12 or somewhere in
between...the Utes and Ute fans are in a GREAT place and having a lot of fun!If Coug fans are truly happy with playing Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico
State on The Ocho at ocho...then I guess we're all happy!
Just ran some numbers:in Utah's wins (not counting the FCS school Montana
State) they beat teams that have a combined record of 32-38. Only the win over
BYU came against a team with a winning record (24-35 record of all of Utah's
wins less BYU). Sadly, the record of the teams that beat Utah is only 33-28.In comparison, BYU's losses came to teams that have a combined record of
23-11 and Utah is the only one of BYU's losses that came to a team that hasn't
spent most of the year in the top 25. Losses to Texas and TCU were by a combined
11 points. I acknowledge that BYU's schedule was weaker, but then they didn't
lose to any bad teams.
@ motorbike-Cougar fans are funny. Ute fans are funny looking.
Hey uTesies?Check the AP and use today polls, Byu is receiving
votes, I don't see the Utes there anywhere, wonder why that is? Maybe its a
Sagarin thing? if Byu is so pathetic, 54-10 blah blah blah, in a meaningless
conf. , doesn't have any good players, never won any titles, bowls or BCS games,
never gets watched on tv. etc etc. I just don't understand why someone is
voting for them in the rankings. Just makes no sense. When these same people
must be watching every Ute game and seeing how dominant they are.
Ute fans are funny. You all come out in force to throw Pac12 and 54-10 in Cougar
fans face for months but then when the Utes get embarrassed by the worst team in
the pac12 and how that loss effected U, U all expect us to feel bad. U are in a great place but just remember USC is actually playing for something
next year. And U still dont have a QB.
The 54-10 still stings. No one on the Cougar articles since they are not
@ExcutorlohJust ran some numbers:Utah 54 : BYU 10
The Pac-12 is clearly a weak conference. It just goes to show how ridiculous
the BCS system is.P.S. Norm Chow needs to be fired.
@54-10 aka "duckhunter hunter", "kosta fesenko",
"articuno BYU", "hondo", "no conference wants us",
and far too many other screen names to list here."No one on the
Cougar articles since they are not relevant." Great point. BYU
didn't just lose, at home, to the worst team in division 1. BYU had a bye. So of
course last week was irrelevent for BYU fans. On the otherhand the embarrassment
of utah losing, at home, to the worst team in the entire country, is still fresh
and relevent. All of the national publications and pundits are talking about it.
It is being discussed and laughed about over and over again by just about
everyone. It is drawing not just scorn but actual pity and certainly amusement
from poll voters, bowl officials, talking heads, pac12 officials, BYU fans,
pac12 fans, and pretty much anyone that happened to hear about it.LOL!
Executorloh,I think you present some very interesting numbers. I
suspect UCLA really didn't want to somehow become South Division
Champs--becoming 6-7 and looking for a bowl game really does become problematic
and will hurt the pocketbook compared to being 6-6.As much as I
respect your win-loss record comparisons, I do think the teams the Utes defeated
are significantly better than the teams the Y defeated this year. The bottom
half of the PAC-12 are bigger and more physical than the bottom half of the WAC.
The Utes also "hung" with some high-caliber teams this season as did
the Y.I figure the Utes just ran out of gas, mentally and
physically, this season. Absolutely no reason for it, but they had nothing in
the tank for Colorado. Embarrasing is a great word for their little debacle.
"What recruits want is the opportunity to play for a national title,
conference title and bowl game"Don't kid yourself.What recruits want is as varied as the recruits themselves.Utah
will never even sniff playing for a national championship, so you can scratch
that one off the list.Some recruits want the BYU cultural
experience, so you can scratch those off Utah's list.Some recruits
want to play in a variety of venues across the country, so you can scratch those
off Utah's list.Some recruits want their family and friends to be
able to watch every game on national television, so you can scratch those off
Utah's list.And a team that's only managed to win 6 conference
championships in the last 60 years shouldn't be billing themselves as a regular
conference championship contender.Recruits saw Utah's typical losing
record in conference this year and how close Utah came to not even qualifying
for a bowl.Just ran some numbers:BYU - #28 Coaches, #31
APUtah - no votes in either pollApparently, the ONLY people
who care about Utah's early season turnover aided win are BYU obsessed Utah
54-10 - Duckhunters reply to you was:"...All of the
national publications and pundits are talking about it. It is being discussed
and laughed about over and over again by just about everyone. It is drawing not
just scorn but actual pity and certainly amusement from poll voters, bowl
officials, talking heads, pac12 officials, BYU fans, pac12 fans, and pretty much
anyone that happened to hear about it."Duckhunter clearly
doesn't exaggerate does he. Hahahaha.By the way, if Colorado beat Utah by
3 and Utah beat BYU by 44...hmmmm. LOL
I also just ran some numbers31-1435-1434-10 and
last but not least 17-14Utes had 3 blowouts, byu had one bad fluke
@DuckhunterAs a long-time die-hard BYU fan, I would like to
personally ask you to hang up your keyboard. I have no idea what point you are
trying to make here. Are you bored? Do you have no other reason to be here
than to make pointlessly ridiculous arguments about the quality of Pac 12 and
Utah football? Are you suggesting that BYU is better than Utah? Unfortunately,
we have on-field, incontrovertible proof to the contrary (54-10)! I will root
for my cougars to the bitter end, but you have got to stop giving me a bad name
here!!!p.s.You too @Exutorloh!!
Interesting comparison of Colorado vs Utah. While not perfect, what would have
happened if Utah had to play Colorado's PAC12 schedule with actual results from
this year:California (L) But didn't count as a PAC12 game for
ColoradoWashington State (W)at Stanford (L)assumedWashington
(L)Oregon (L) assumedArizona State (L)USC (L)Arizona
(W)UCLA (W)Colorado (L)Utah's PAC12 record at best would
be 3-6, at worst 2-7 depending on which game was considered
"Non-conference". That's the same record as Colorado or worse.Looks like the PAC12 newbies are two perfectly matched rivals fighting for the
PAC12 South gutter.
It's great to be a UTE!
Oregonian -I've got no problem accepting what you wrote. It's true,
if Utah had to play Colorado's schedule this year they probably finish with
about the same record Colorado had.I hate to admit it, but it is what it
is.But realize this, Colorado played the #1 ranked schedule in the country
AND they beat Utah who beat BYU 54-10...so...based on your line of thinking not
only would Colorado have beaten BYU by 47 points but they'd be 9-2 going into
the Hawaii game this week.It looks like there's a big difference playing
in the Pac 12 and playing in the lower half of the WAC...I wouldn't come on here
playing that comparison game, you'll lose every time...ESPECIALLY when BYU loses
54-10 to, as you describe them, a Pac 12 South gutter team.I guess we can
sum this up as a difference in mind set. BYU is proud to be King of nothing with
a gaudy record against nobodies and Utah is proud to go out and fight against
tougher competition with the chance they'll have some ugly records on
occasion.I'll happily take the latter.
I love it. Utah has a letdown in a good league and the whole league stinks now.
Utah broke a lot of fans hearts Friday when they blew it against
Colorado, but they'll bounce back and play well in the Sun Bowl. Remember, with
a 7-5 season, losing to 5 quality teams, playing 11 teams with a pulse with an
injured team for the most part. Utah played a full season with only 1 guaranteed
win, losing our starting quarterback and other main players and they won 7
games. But yet that one ruins everything.Yeah it stinks to lose to a
below average Colorado team. But I doubt you see another letdown like this in a
while. One thing about Whitt is that he bounces his teams back from these type
of losses. Oregon, Stanford, and USC did well this year. I think
Utah would have been right in the mix if playing with a real quarterback. Utah
will be in the top 3 in years to come.As for Sorenson even bringing
up Utah basketball, that was a joke! I can't judge Utahs basketball off this
season. Boylen screwed the Utah program. Krsysko's years starts next year!
@Uteanymous "btw, as much as blind Utah fans would like to
pretend otherwise, one game, does not a season make." Beg to
differ, one game does a season make, the Y loses ONE game and your seasons OVER,
ONE game Uteanymous.btw, our Sun Bowl will give us a higher caliber
team to play and tons more revenue than your little Copter Bowl.Keep
trying Band of Lil Brothers!
I had heard that if UCLA doesn't win the pac championship, they will finish with
a losing record and may not qualify for a bowl? Is this true or has some sort
of concession been made?
I love this debate over conference affiliation. There is no debate! Take your
ESPN and live with it. As the college football powers move closer to the power
leagues, BYU will be getting closer to moving in with Weber State. Im glad the
ESPN thing has been such a good thing for the cougars. Lets be honest though. On
November 19, which game was more interesting? The BYU/New Mexico St, or the
Oregon/USC? And please don't get me started on the BYUtv, vs KJZZ topic. It was
sure nice to have KJZZ pick-up Utah games this year before the extremely
lucrative PAC12 network kicks in this summer.Utah may have lost to
Colorado and lost a chance at a title game and a better bowl, but hey, they were
playing for something other than themselves.I am bothered though
with Sorenson's ignorence to the basketball situation. Utah is playing D1
basketball with some lowly recruited freshman other than Matthews, and a bunch
of misfit Juco players who had nowhere else to go after recruiting was done.
Utah will be back in hoops, just not this year. Will have to endure the worst
season in UofU history!
Re: motorbikeI'm not sure what BYU has to do with my comments (so if
BYU beats Hawaii, who beat Colorado, then is BYU a much better team than
Utah?).You basically summed up just fine the point I was trying to
make:"It's true, if Utah had to play Colorado's schedule this
year they probably finish with about the same record Colorado had. I hate to
admit it, but it is what it is." Your apparent obsession with
all things BYU just adds to the embarassment of the PAC12 South. Congratulations
on beating BYU, though. It appears that will be what you hang your hat on for
years to come.
@Th | 12:28 p.m."Remember, with a 7-5 season, losing to 5
quality teams..."Do you really believe that Colorado, who was
in ESPN's "Bottom 10" last week, is a "quality team?"
Why get into a Conference? Stay independent. During the next few years things
will change! Play good teams and have patience. This issue appears weak at
this point, but remember what happens to weak things.To bad on the
Utah loss. You have to get up for every game. It will be great to see Utah
whop some fanny in a Bowl Game.Go BYU in the Armed Forces Bowl, what
a great way to honor those who know how to provide service.
"Utah will be in the top 3 in years to come"Well - there
you have it. Another ute chest pounder just jinxed his beloved utes.
Oregonian"Congratulations on beating BYU, though. It appears
that will be what you hang your hat on for years to come."_____________At least we'll have something to hang our hat on.
I just love Ducky's statement:"...All of the national
publications and pundits are talking about it. It is being discussed and laughed
about over and over again by just about everyone. It is drawing not just scorn
but actual pity and certainly amusement from poll voters, bowl officials,
talking heads,...and pretty much anyone that happened to hear about it."Is he talking about BYU's so called "national championship"?
Mike Sorensen,Nothing embarrasing about Utah losing to Colorado.
Disappointing, certainly. Embarrasing, no. Anybody can beat anybody in the
PAC-12.What is embarrasing is hundreds of BYU fans having joy over a
3-point Utah loss. After the EMBARRASING 54-10 pounding to Utah, and losing 7 of
the last 10 to Utah, and 3 of those 5 losses to Utah by blowouts of 24 points or
more, the comments disparging Utah from BYU fans is not only embarrasing, but is
ridiculous. But, I don't mind if Cougar fans enjoy making fools of themselves
with their comments, it is actually kind of entertaining. ;)
fender | 1:29 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011 Washington, UT Don't pick on
Ducky. She's real sensitive.
@Oregonian | 12:55 p.m."Your apparent obsession with all things
BYU"Ironic isn't it? You being in here and all."Congratulations on beating BYU, though. It appears that will be what you
hang your hat on for years to come."Nope, I won't hang my hat
on it. Don't really much care at this point, other than it is the only rational
argument that needs to be made to settle the question of which team was better
this year. So as long as BYU trolls come in here trying to make comparisons in a
lame attempt to suggest BYU is better than Utah, I don't blame Utah fans for
continuing to state the obvious fact that Utah beat your team's eyes shut this
year.Good luck against Hawaii and in your upcoming bowl game. Happy
@ Utes Fan 1:37 p.m.,"Nothing embarrasing about Utah losing to
Colorado. Disappointing, certainly. Embarrasing, no."Oh, how
the mighty Utes have fallen if a Senior Day home loss to a "Bottom 10"
team is not considered embarrassing. It sounds like you are content for Utah to
become the next Duke, Kansas, Indiana, or Syracuse, only without a decent
basketball program to make up for poor football seasons.
@ Utes Fan | 1:37 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT I love
the smack from the BYU "fans". Takes a lot of courage to talk smack
about someone who beat you down to the tune of 54-10. Hope it doesn't stop when
the DNews prints this week's edition of "Which BCS Conference is courting
the Cougars next." The SEC?
Thanks Utah ! You did it again!
Yes, Yes and Yes some more.
re: Motorbike"At least we'll have something to hang our hat
on."Who's we? Are you back to BYU again?
I like the term "embarassing" for the Colorado game. The Utes lacked
intensity and strategy from the opening kickoff into the second half. Colorado
certainly had a down year and they were not competitive in many of their games
this year. But the Utes took most of the day off. That is actually
embarassing. And disappointing.
54-1017-14 lol must still sting.
D'Anconia"So as long as BYU trolls come in here trying to make
comparisons in a lame attempt to suggest BYU is better than Utah, I don't blame
Utah fans for continuing to state the obvious fact..."Is
unranked Iowa State(6-5) better than #3 Oklahoma State(10-1)?According to your logic, the Cyclones are better because last week,
head-to-head, they beat the Cowboys.Apparently, BYU fans aren't the
only ones who think BYU is better than Utah:AP Poll#31 BYU, 13
votesUtah unranked, no votesCoaches Poll#28 BYU, 29
votesUtah unranked, no votesHarris Poll#29 BYU, 39
votesUtah unranked, no votesThe ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU
proves is that for one mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better
Th said,"losing to 5 quality teams".I wish I
could say that BYU's 3 losses were against quality teams but the truth is, they
lost to two quality teams...and Utah.
No excuses. Utah came out flat, thought it would be a walkover. Colorado came
out with nothing to lose, and played aggressive football from the opening snap.
Very disappointing lose to end a season, but doesn't take away from what Utah
accomplished their first year in big-boy football. As always, let
keep on track with facts, not opinions:Fact: 54-10 happened. Hasn't
changed, will never change, and Utah/BYU do not play again this year.And to recap, here are the latest Sagarin computer rankings. Not SID
opinions, just unbiased facts:Utah #38, SOS #40BYU #45, SOS
#95Average ranking of all opponents:Utah - #57BYU -
#90Best wins:Utah - #45 BYU, #52 UCLA, #59 Pitt, #63 Arizona,
#79 WSU, #81 OSUBYU - #74 Utah State, #81 OSU, #82 UCFWorst
Opponents:Utah - #91 Montanta State, #96 ColoradoBYU - #93 Hawaii,
#95 SJSU, #108 Ole Miss, #130 NMSU, #134 Idaho, #208 Idaho StateFact: Utah has 1 really ugly loss, but still have 4 wins over teams ranked
higher than anyone BYU beat. Fact: BYU plays 6 teams ranked 90+,
Utah plays 2. SOS is not even close.
I just can't understand it...why do Utah fans keep repeating the score 54-10 of
the basketball game they lost to Ashville.
@Christy B"The ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU proves is that
for one mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better than BYU."
Sooooo True, what a great beat down that was in early September
54-10! Now we will be going to a far more superior Bowl game than your little
Copter Bowl! With ours having a huge bank roll compared to your mere
pittance!Who cares about any rankings under 10, its about bragging
rights 54-10 for the next year, and MONEY!!!After you guys lose to
Tulsa in the Copter Bowl in Texas, skip on over to the Sun Bowl in El paso, and
watch how a real team plays in a real Bowl and beats a decent team most likely
(Georgia Tech).Hang in there Band of Sister Christy.
@JosephMother "I wish I could say that BYU's 3 losses were
against quality teams but the truth is, they lost to two quality teams...and
Utah."54-10 I would say thats a quality back end kicking!Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers
@Christy B | 3:10 p.m.I know polls are a big deal to BYU (i.e. 1984)
but I much prefer head-to-head competition to decide who is the better team.
54-10 left no doubt in my mind. Comparing that drubbing to Iowa's OT win at home
is weak. Oklahoma State has a body of work that suggests it has a very good
football team, even with the one letdown. What does BYU have to offer as
evidence that it is better than Utah? Keep in mind that it has 54-10 in
head-to-head competition going against it.
@GazpachoAnother ute troll trying to pretend to be a BYU fan. Give
it up. It doesn't work.
Re: williaryFunny how Utah fans support Sagarin when it favors them.
How about this:Sagarin ELO_CHESS (the part of Sagarin that actually
makes up part of the BCS ranking):BYU #44Utah #46AP:BYU #31 (13 votes)Utah no votesUSA Today/Coaches:BYU
#28 (29 votes)Utah no votesHarris:BYU #29 (39 votes)Utah votesThere's no arguing that Utah's SOS is better, but all
that does is explain their two additional losses. Then there's this
that you conveniently left out:BYU's worse loss = Utah (38 or 46)Utah's worse loss to Colorado (96 or 91)
@Christy B"The ONLY thing Utah's win over BYU proves is that for one
mistake-prone night in early September, Utah was better than BYU."--------------No. It just proves a haunting trend for Cougar fans
- that Utah's football program has been gradually passing BYU's. Since 2004, 3
of the last 5 victories of Utah over BYU have been blowouts by 24 points or
more. 3 out of the last 4, and 7 out of the last 10 games have been Utah
victories. See the trend? Last September just confirmed that ongoing
@ Veracity"I just can't understand it...why do Utah fans keep
repeating the score 54-10 of the basketball game they lost to Ashville".Your tuning in and commenting on the wrong sport. It's football season
and basketball season doesn't start until March.Ooooohhhhh.......I
get it now! Your season ended in early September 54-10 to the hands of your big
brother up north.
Go Trojans!Oh yeah... nowhere to go now. Still, one of the best
football teams in the country at this point. Played toe-to-toe with Stanford a
few weeks ago, and have gotten better since then.
I'm sorry to hear about the injuries and hope that none are too serious. I
wasn't able to watch the game yesterday (not that I would've anyway), but was
surprised to see the score updates across the screen throughout.For
those BYU haters out there with their negative posts towards BYU in the past-don't worry, "it's still so much better to play pac-10.2 teams at home
and lose, then new mexico state and idaho and win".The irony is
RE: UtahMan DanWe ran some numbers too. 7-6, thank goodness the u
scheduled Div II team to start the year. But the number I like best is CU 17.
Still giggling, LA Times and more one liners about the u and their lose to CU.
Yes its indeed embarrassing to read comments from fellow Cougar fans.We
just have to accept that Utah is in a BCS conference. And that no conference
will take BYU. Our ESPN contract poses a problem.
Is it just me or does this whole pac12 is a weak conference because UCLA is
representing the south in the championship game argument seem pretty ridiculous?
This year is a totally unique set of circumstances! USC who would
represent the south and is a top 15, probably top 10 team is under sanctions.
The championship game should feature two top 10 teams this year! That's hardly
embarrassing! If UCLA were the best team in the south that would be
embarrassing, but they're not! Anyone who's followed the pac12 this year knows
they're the 5th best team in the south and because of a couple key injuries and
implosions they ended up getting in. The Big 12 and SEC are clearly
the class of the country. After that I don't think anyone can make a reasonable
argument that the Big 10 is much better than the pac12. I think they're two very
even conferences from top to bottom. Maybe I'm just a huge ute homer
but I would love to have some explain to me how being one of top 3/4 conferences
in the country is embarrassing?
Sorenson is calling it straight. The PAC 12 is more embrassing than powerful and
yes, Utah is part of that hide your head in shame assessment (remember how ute
fans were talking NC to start the year?). What's wrong John Boy?
Sue Ellen not come home yet?
Mr. Sorensen, your article is mean spirited.
canco | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011 Sandy, UtahAll we have heard all
year is what a great league the PAC 12 is. As far as I am concerned that was
just a bunch of hype. The PAC 12 is a WEAK league overall with 3 good teams and
9 pathetic sub par teams.----------As opposed to the
MWC?Enough said. Bottom line is, in the P12 we still come out
Hawkyo | 8:48 p.m. Nov. 27, 2011 SYRACUSE, UTI began this year
rooting for the u to do well, but after the byu/u game, all I heard was
nastiness from ute fans. It took the sportsmanship right out of me. I stopped
rooting for the U, and by the end, I was rooting against them.-----------My question is... why do you root for teams based on a
sample of their fan base? Are the fans playing on the field, or is it the
athletes?What a ridiculous basis to cheer or not cheer.
@ Tomahawk RedYou completely missed Hawko's point, didn't you?
(Reinforced it, probably.)
@ 3grandslams"remember how ute fans were talking NC to start
the year?" Was that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad
talking national championship to start the year?I follow Utah pretty
closely and never heard anyone say anything about a NC. As opposed to cougar
fans, we have a pretty good idea of where our program is. We're a solid program,
but obviously there is a big gap between the University of Utah and National
Championship contending teams! Hopefully BYU fans can figure out
where there program is so we don't have to listen to the ridiculous NC talk
again next fall camp!
D'Anconia"I know polls are a big deal to BYU (i.e. 1984) but I
much prefer head-to-head competition to decide who is the better team."So obviously, you believe that 3-10 Colorado, the worst team in the PAC
12, ranked in the 90's by the computers, is better than Utah.Congratulations bottom dweller!Utah fans are such hypocrits,
citing polls when it suits them. What exactly did Utah do in 2004 to deserve to
finish #5 in the Coaches Top 25? Utah didn't beat a single ranked opponent and
only played three regular season opponents with winning records, none better
@Cougar AlumThere is no Independent Conference, sorry to burst your
self important bubble.
sweetnessIt's a bitter pill ain't it? A "solid
program" that sunk to below the half way mark in the lesser division in a
mediocre conference with a 'stacked' schedule.Please wake me up in
the next life when the proper time comes to mention U of U and NC in the same
sentence.After the beatdown in RES by Colorado I'm really humored
that a Ute fan would bring up the subject.
Re: Giant Fan's comment "Funny how Utah fans support Sagarin when it favors
them. How about this:" While the BCS does use the ELO Chess,
you should also look at what Jeff Sagarin notes in his ratings "PURE POINTS
is also known as PREDICTOR, BALLANTINE, RHEINGOLD, WHITE OWL and is the best
single PREDICTORof future games."Predictor has Utah
ranked #29 and BYU #45Fact is that both teams have failed to beat
any of the top three teams they faced this year and neither one is truly a top
No Conference Will Take Us | 5:43 p.m. Nov. 28, 2011 SEATTLE, WA "We just have to accept that Utah is in a BCS conference. And that no
conference will take BYU."===No conference will
take us? What a weak posting name.There will be no "BCS
Conferences" after this year.The way I recall it being posted
in the newspapers is that BYU's TV deal was too big for the other conferences.
If every University in the country had BYU's "problem" there would be
no conferences. If Utah had BYU's problem they wouldn't have needed to ride the
more established schools coattails for TV money. So let it go.Is
this how low the kids at Alumni House have gone?The PAC was
embarassed over the weekend, and the only way many Ute fans can try to find
solace is in posting mindlenss drivel about BYU?Geez, get a job, a
life, a dog, or even a plant.
re:sweetnews - you need to read more of your fellow fans postings...I'll give
you a start...Chris B. BYU will say NC every year they are
independent because...they are independent! Sorry you missed the context of
that discussion. C'mon don't let hatred taint your interpretaitions so you only
hear what you want to hear.
@ 17-14 It is a bitter pill! It sucks losing to colorado! At least we have something to be bitter about though...An honest
question to BYU fans...Will any of you really care if your team loses this
weekend? If the answer is no, then that my friends is a bitter pill!
Man, this whole thread is hilarious! I'm a Ute fan, but seriously guys, are you
going to let a bunch of BYU fans with nothing better to do get you disgruntled?
Both sides have hypocrites, don't just blame it on one fan base, that is what is
considered a logical fallacy. Seriously, let's grow up and realize that these
are college kids playing a game; it's fun to cheer for them, but let's not get
too worked up over this! I will always root for the Utes, whether they're great
or awful, and this year was somewhere around the middle, especially with their
circumstances! So go Utes, I'll be cheering for the bowl game, as well as for
basketball, and I look forward to a bright future!
@ 3grandslams "I believe we can win a national championship...I
think it's likely." Bronco Mendenhall, fall camp 2011. what context am I missing?
Veritas Aequitas why do you think BYU has an ESPN contract as opposed to USC,
LSU, Alabama and others?I will tell you. They are schools that sell
themselves in conferences that sell themselves. They are on TV practically each
week, generate ad sales and all kinds of revenue streams that BYU could never
achieve.Notre Dame sells itself regardless. Something BYU will never
equal.Just deal with it. No conference will take BYU.
@Jordanyou are looking forward to a bright future in basketball....is that
15 years from now?
D'Anconia"I know polls are a big deal to BYU..."Polls are a big deal to every team in the country, EXCEPT, the jealous kids on
the hill. The polls have proved over and over that the rest of the country
doesn't think nearly as much of the Utes as the arrogant Utes think of
themselves - only 5 AP Top 25 finishes in the entire history of Utah football
shows just how irrelevant Utah football has been for over a century.Even in Utah's best decade EVER, BYU still finished in the Top 25 more often
than Utah.It's nearly the end of the season when rankings really
start to mean something:AP:BYU #31 (13 votes)Utah no
votesUSA Today/Coaches:BYU #28 (29 votes)Utah no
votesHarris:BYU #29 (39 votes)Utah votes
No Conference Will Take UsUSC, LSU, Alabama are elite programs that
add to the prestige of the conferences they play in. They're teams that fans
across the country want to see. What exactly has Utah done this year that has
added anything to the prestige of the PAC 12? When ABC/ESPN were selecting games
to be nationally televised at the beginning of the season, Utah was completely
ignored. Not even Utah's PAC 12 debut against USC drew enough interest from the
bean counters to be picked.Given a choice, no network will take the
Utes, which is why the Utes had to settle for KJZZ to broadcast most of their
@truth machineColorado beat Utah so I would be a fool to talk smack
to the Colorado fans. They were the better team.Polls are what they
are. They indicate what others think of your team. To be ranked high in the
polls is nice but head-to-head competition is where it is at. Leave the
popularity contests to American Idle and men's figure skating!
cougar fans, thank you for the entertainment! I enjoyed your envy, jealousy and
obsession with the University of Utah's article.If you wish to
validate my comment above, please count the byu troll posts on this article vs.
Utah fan posts. The lopsided number of negative posts from cougar fans tells
the story. byu fans are jealous of Utah's move to the PAC-12 conference and
their stronger schedule. They are jealous that Utah has a new rival within a
new conference and the fact that the byu vs. Utah game isn't as meaningful to
Utah. I hope your mid-major program lands in a BCS conference
someday soon so you will have something new to obsess about. Until then, please
continue to focus more on Utah's PAC-12 games than your team's WAC games. I
truly think the byu posters on this article would rather see Utah lose than byu
win!After reviewing the posts, who should get a job, life, pet or
plant? I'm thinking those obsessed fans that can't stand the fact that Utah
joined the PAC-12. Would byu join if invited? In a heartbeat! Go
No Conference Will Take Us | 10:29 p.m. SEATTLE, WA "Veritas
Aequitas why do you think BYU has an ESPN contract as opposed to USC, LSU,
Alabama and others?"===Why does Notre Dame?Let me stop you. Utah is not LSU, Alabama, or others either.Dude, I called out you posting name because it is blatantly false. BYU left
the MWC, had talks with the Big 12 and an invite from the Big East.As long as you kids can post your BYU hate tripe to make you feel good over
"Ute-Homer" Sorensen's piece on the PAC embarassment, then your own
embarassment continues.A Utah story about the PAC-12, and all Utah
fans want to post is BYU hate.How sad is your program?===@sweetnewss | 8:24 p.m. Orem, UT "remember how ute fans were talking NC to start the year?" "Was that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad talking national
championship to start the year?"===It was BYU, and
look where it got them. Once you start telling people how good you are, they
love to see you find humility, something many fans on the Wasatch Front needed
and found this year.Peace.
@giantfan"There's no arguing that Utah's SOS is better, but all
that does is explain their two additional losses."I completely
agree.And it's that #95 SOS that is the only reason BYU has a shiny
8-3 record, as you've just explained to a tee.And is the only reason
they are receiving votes in either poll. Just as Arkansas State is.BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12 team, on their home field. You give
them the 40th most difficult schedule in the country, instead of the 95th, just
shows you the team they really are, instead of the 8-3 record aided with 5 WAC
Disappointing said,"An honest question to BYU fans...Will any
of you really care if your team loses this weekend? If the answer is
no, then that my friends is a bitter pill!"Are you seriously
insinuating that BYU fans don't care if they lose this Saturday? Maybe that's
how fans of your team feel for their team but I, for one, care very much if they
win or lose. A win would be revenge for the gut-wrenching loss the last time BYU
played in the islands. A win would be one more closer to double-digit wins for
the season and would also be that much closer to a possible top-25 finish for
the year. I'm sorry that Utah's season is now virtually over with the bowl game
still to go, BYU certainly has something still to play for.
Re: williary"And is the only reason they are receiving votes in
either poll. Just as Arkansas State is."I don't know anything
about Arkansas State but I'm certainly not going to assume they are no good
because of their name."BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12
team, on their home field."So if Utah is 44 points better than
BYU, Colorado is 47 points better? Since Colorado lost to Washington State by 3,
then WSU is 50 points better than BYU? And since WSU lost to Oregon State by 23,
OSU must be 73 points better than BYU? But wait, BYU beat OSU by 10! I'm
confused!!Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to recognize, is
that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten worse. I, for
one, don't believe Colorado is better than Utah because they beat them in SLC.
The Utes had a down game, much like BYU did 2 1/2 months ago.
Veritas Aequitas - Actually, it was both. But, only Utah had a golden
opportunity paved for them by their conference. Who would have thought they
would trip over their mediocrity. What would have happened if you had played
Colorado's schedule. That's it, the conference conspired against CU to keep
them out of the championship (conference) game.
@sweetnews"what context am I missing?"I don't
think you're missing anything, I think what you are doing is purposely
distorting what Bronco was saying. Having read that quote many times and the
context it was in he was answering a question about whether or not he thinks BYU
is capable of competing for and winning a National Chamionship but not laying
claim or saying they would win THIS SEASON. Just that he feels they can, and
maybe even will, at some time in the future.There is a big
difference between that and what you are trying to falsely infer.My
guess is you, and every other utah "fan", as well as whittingham,
hill, and everyone else at the u feels exactly the same way about the utes. That
they can compete and win a national championship at some point in the future.But I realize it is more fun to try and distort what people mean to try
and make them appear to be delusional or unhinged. Nice try on your part I
@ Duckhunter | 9:27 a.m. Nov. 29, 2011 Highland, UT Keep them
coming Ducky. You are quite the comedy act.BTW 54-10 and your boys
Duck,You're too much. This strategy of claiming people you disagree
with are purposely distorting facts or "makin stuff up" only goes so
far. Sweetnews isn't distorting anything and he isn't claiming anybody said
"this season". The question was which staff/school/qb was
"talking" NC at fall camp. Here's his statement:"Was
that Utah or the BYU coaching staff/qb/ad talking national championship to start
the year? I follow Utah pretty closely and never heard anyone say anything
about a NC. As opposed to cougar fans, we have a pretty good idea of where our
program is. We're a solid program, but obviously there is a big gap between the
University of Utah and National Championship contending teams!" The Tribune article from Aug. 29, 2011 quotes Mendenhall directly talking
about winning a NC, and it also references a prior quote from QB Heaps doing the
same.The only person distorting anything is you pardner.
Everything written about in this article was expected. There was not much else
to say other than repeating the obvious by Mr. Sorenson.
Truth Machine:"What exactly did Utah do in 2004 to deserve to
finish #5 in the Coaches Top 25? Utah didn't beat a single ranked
opponent..."Utah's '04 schedule wasn't that great, but our body
of work demonstrated total dominance. Utah didn't just beat their
opponents...they annihilated them. And those lopsided scores weren't a product
of running up the score. Those points were mostly scored in the 1st-Half.And Utah DID beat a ranked team. You are conveniently forgetting about
Texas A&M. The Final BCS Poll for the 2004 season was published on Dec.
4th. At that time, Texas A&M was ranked #20. The Aggies were also ranked
#22 in the AP poll, and #25 in the Coaches. A&M didn't fall out of the
Final polls until after their loss to Tennessee in the Cotton Bowl.
Nevertheless, the Utes DID beat A&M, and they WERE ranked at the time of the
BCS Selection.Utah beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. After the Final
polls came out, Pitt ranked 25th in the AP. So again, Utah DID beat a ranked
team back in 2004. Unlike the cougars in 1984.And THAT's the TRUTH!
@fenderOf course that is what sweetnews was doing, nice attempt at
pretending otherwise though. I personally am glad that Bronco
believes that a National Championship is something BYU can accomplish again at
some point. But of course being a school that has actually won a National
Championship helps to give you that sort of confidence. Having actually done it
already it is a very real thing. When you have never done it that is when it
seems impossible to do. That is really the difference between BYU and utah. One
has reached the pinacle and knows they can do it again. One has never done it
and is resigned to always being less than the best.I find it very
telling utah "fans" claim to "know what utah is" and are
therfor content with mediocrity. We have much higher expectations and goals for
Veritas Aequitas:"The way I recall it being posted in the
newspapers is that BYU's TV deal was too big for the other conferences."Cougar fans have been quick to point out how joining the Big East would
have netted them fewer dollars than their current ESPN package, but that's just
cougar spin for getting rejected by yet ANOTHER AQ conference. According to the
DNews' Nov. 22nd article "BYU football: Cougars won't be joining Big
East" [Jeff Call], it was reported:"The issue remains that
the Big East wants to work on getting BYU in. They have what they think is a
fair deal that shows that if they work together they will make more money off a
new TV deal. They are willing to make sure BYU gets as much per game or more
than they do now."So there you have it. Cougar fans can no
longer claim they'd lose money by going to the Big East. Y officials asked for
too much because they thought they could, but in the end, they discovered they
could NOT. Boise St. was the big prize. The Y wasn't worth it. So you're
still unwanted mid-majors.
giantfan:Are you seriously attempting to draw a comparison to Utah's
3-pt home loss to CU to YOUR 44-pt home loss to Utah? What a
pathetic plea for validation. 54-10. You got OWNED. So OWN it.Utes > cougs.Pac-12 > Indy-WAC.Pac-12 schedules > cupcake
WAC/CUSA/FCS schedules.Alamo Bowl > Holiday Bowl > Sun Bowl > Las
Vegas Bowl > Fight Hunger Bowl > Armed Forces Bowl.Invited to an AQ
conference > Rejected by 2 AQ conferences.
DuckOf course that's what he was doing? Show me, don't tell me. If
you're going to make the claim, then back it up.It's great you get
all warm and fuzzy when Bronco projects a NC, but it's not going to happen. You
know it and I know it. BYU's NC is the very reason the system was tweaked to
prevent a school with a watered down schedule from qualifying. You know it and
I know it. Apparently all that "confidence" BYU got from its NC
wasn't enough to avoid a 54-10 blowout by its biggest rival...oh, sorry, I
forgot BYU didn't care enough and that's why they lost.Nobody's
content with mediocrity, but it looks like you're stuck with it.
@giantfan"Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to
recognize, is that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten
worse."You know that how?Because BYU has since
gotten into the "meat" of their WAC schedule? BYU is
doing exactly what Utah did last year. Beating up bad teams, while losing to
good teams. Makes the record look nice, but shouldn't fool fans of that team.
After Utah was thumped by TCU, ND and Boise last year, Utah fans were fully
aware the 10-3 record was very flawed. Utah appeared to get worse as the season
went along, or as they exited the MWC patsy schedule, much as BYU has entered it
and appears to be a "better" team.Some other
"facts" for you. Utah's O-Line and running game are much
more efficient now than they were on 9/17. Line is much healthier, and John
White is better.Utah's defense is MUCH better now. Guys who played
in that BYU game don't even see the field anymore as others have emerged.Only fact that matters is 54-10. Not going to change. It happened, two
"We have much higher expectations and goals for BYU."That's how you satisfy an already delusional fanbase. When you can't reach
goal A, had something to do with the BCS and was printed on T-Shirts a few years
ago, you conveniently move the goal even further away than goal A. It's much more admirable to fail shooting for the stars, as opposed to fail
even doing something that Hawaii has done.
@giantfan"Fact of the matter, which Utah fans fail to
recognize, is that since Sept 17 BYU has only gotten better and Utah has gotten
worse."So what? Who cares?Utah beat BYU. Move on
and get over it already. sheesh
I love how much this is eating at the utah "fans" on here.LOL!
D'Anconia"So what? Who cares?"You care, or you
wouldn't be posting.Naval VetPlease explain how the Utes
finished 4th in the pathetically weak PAC 12 South, and 8th overall with a
losing PAC 12 record, when you didn't even have to play Stanford and Oregon?The truth hurts, but despite Utah's early season win at BYU, coaches and
sportswriters from across the country now consider BYU to be the better team.AP Top 25#31 BYU - 13 votesUtah - no votesCoaches Top 25#28 BYU - 29 votesUtah - no votesHarris
Top 25#29 BYU - 39 votesUtah - no votesEven Sagarin
would rate a rematch of BYU-Utah at LES a tossup.You like to brag
about SOS, but you conveniently ignore losses.BYU losses:#14
Texas by 1#21 TCU by 10#38 Utah by 44Utah losses:#9 USC by 9#30 Cal by 24#35 ASU by 21#40 Wash by 17#95
Col by 3
I love how the Ute fans try to 'sugarcoat' their loss to the worst Pac 12 team
with a miserable 4 yr on the road record, etc.A 'one' win season.
That's so special.Spin baby spin. This is hilarious.
SwoopWould that be the same Sagarin who refused to recognize BYU in
That's funny. ESPN has the PAC rated as third best conference in the nation. Boy
is that embarrassing.
@chicagobornWell when you have nothing to brag about with your team
then you can always fall back on bragging about the conference I guess. That
more than any other factor is why utah is so dependent on a conference to prop
them up. It gives the utah "fans" some sense of relevence and in their
mind makes them feel as if they actually have some conection to something of
No Ducky, my team beating yours by 44 which was the 7th win out of the last 10
head to head; that makes the Utes relevant in terms of their only dealings with
your mid major WAC team in Provo. Ducky, it must be rough to be overmatched as
soon as you open your eyes in the morning.
@swoopYawnYup. Utah didn't have a great season. Oh well.
At least we beat (to a pulp) BYU, strung together four straight wins in the
PAC-12, and are bowl eligible. That beats a stick in the eye, especially
considering the fact that we lost our starting QB. I'm satisfied with the
season. Actually it was very entertaining. I'm happy for you too. As long as BYU
fans are happy with independence, the November line-up, and a few votes in the
polls, that's all that matters. We all win. Cheers!
fenderSince Sagarin doesn't award national championships, I couldn't
care less what his final rankings in 1984, 1996, 2004, or 2008 were.The AP and Coaches polls are the ONLY final polls that anyone cares about.All five major selecting organizations voted BYU #1 in 1984 - that's the
only thing that really matters, despite jealous Utah fans' feeble attempts to
rewrite history.It's hillarious how the Utes beat their chests about
playing in a couple of BCS bowls, but then pretend that the OFFICIAL BCS poll,
the Coaches Poll, doesn't exist, when citing their final rankings. Utah has
never finished higher than 4th in the official BCS poll.
@pebblesThe BYU game will always make or break utah's season.Le minerai de plus que les choses changent elles restent les memes.LOL!
@SwoopUtah and BYU do not play again this year. They already did,
Utah won 54-10 on BYU's home field. Won't change, no matter how this
hypothetical 2nd matchup would go according to BYU fans "expert"
opinions.I have no idea the point you're trying to prove. Yes, both
Utah and BYU lost to the best teams on their schedule this year. What you fail
to recognize is that mixed in with those losses, Utah has 4 wins against teams
better than anyone BYU has beaten this year. BYU, UCLA, Pitt and Arizona are
all better than BYU's best win of the year.....Utah State.The best
win either team has is Utah over #45 BYU. Followed by Utah over #52 UCLA, #59
Pitt and #63 Arizona. Next is BYU over #74 USU, followed by Utah over #79
Washington State.Utah beat some decent teams this year, BYU has
beaten nobody. Your best win is over a 6 win WAC team!And yes, SOS
#40 is MUCH different than SOS #95. It's laughable that you brush it off as a
small piece of the equation.
@17-14If Utah beating BYU, and UCLA/Pitt/Arizona/WSU, is a one-win
season....What does that say about the team whose best
win is over Utah State?What is proves is that BYU fans are more than
happy accepting a shiny 10 win season, that includes 6 wins over WAC teams, and
6 wins over teams ranked 90+ by the computers.But that makes sense.
When you get beat by a 4-5 Pac-12 team by 44 points on your home field, you'll
gladly take your seat back at the kiddy table.
@Duckhunter"That more than any other factor is why utah is so
dependent on a conference to prop them up."As opposed to BYU's
10 win season being propped up by their 6 wins over WAC teams?Considering BYU lost by 44 points to a 4-5 Pac-12 team at home, it's a darn
good thing they have the WAC patsies to prop up their win column.
SwoopI take it that would be a "yes"?
Ya know what the funniest things about BYU fans knocking the Pac-12 and UCLA
being the south champions at 6-6 is?In 1984 BYU played a 6-6 team
for their all-time signature win. and Wow their are a lot of Utah
haters on here.
jdub,I'll take your thought even further. That
"championship" team from '84 forced 5 tunrovers, but still only
managed to win by 7 points. Ineptitutde at its finest. What's worse, Michigan
was the 6th best team in the Big 10 that year. I'll say it again - the 6th best
team in the Big 10 conference. The '84 team can't even claim that they beat the
best Big 10 team. Hardly a "title" game.I am responding
to the many, many Y fans who have appeared on this, a Utah article. Too bad a
simple 54-10 or 7 of the last 10 won't quiet them.
I was wrong - BYU had 5 TOs in that game. They didn't force 5 turnovers.
Hardly a well-oiled machine on offense. Michigan was so bad they couldn't
generate any points from all of those turnovers.
If one lousy fieldgoal had gone in then this article would not have been
jdub1942"Ya know what the funniest things about BYU fans
knocking the Pac-12 and UCLA being the south champions at 6-6 is?In
1984 BYU played a 6-6 team for their all-time signature win."Ya
know what's hillarious is how clueless Utah fans are about BYU's all-time
signature win - that would be BYU beating the U, #1-ranked, defending national
champion Miami.BYU's win over Michigan was simply the final game in
a 24-game winning streak that culminated in back-to-back Top 7 finishes and a
Concensus National Championship!What bothers the kids on the hill
the most is knowing that BYU already has what Utah will never, ever, even come
close to having -- a crystal football National Championship Trophy!
fenderNo, that would be the same Sagarin who ranked Utah #5 in 2008,
even though the kids living in that crimson bubble on the hill are constantly
claiming that the Utes finished #2 and should have been #1.
Sagarin only ranked the Utes #5 in 2008?I guess all of those wins
over Top 25 teams weren't nearly as impressive as Utah like to pretend they
williary"Utah and BYU do not play again this year..."Neither do Utah and Colorado - you'll just have to live with the fact
that the Utes finished their season losing to the worst team in the PAC 12... a
fitting segue to basketball season where Utah is the worst team in the PAC 12.
How many 7-5 seasons can Kyle have before Utah fans start calling for his
head?Utah's schedule was so weak this year, that four of Utah's nine
conference opponents have already fired their coaches.And even with
that pathetically weak schedule, with Utah's only decent division competitor
ineligible and not having to play Oregon or Stanford, K-Whit was still so inept
that he couldn't beat a 2-10 team to finish ahead of a 6-6 team to win the
division.You can blame it all on Wynn's injury, but whose fault was
it that the Utes only had a DII QB to back up their injury-prone starter?
"U. helped Pac-12 embarrassment"Helped???More
like major contributor.How do U waste a gift-wrapped division title
by getting dominated at home by one of the worst teams in the country?
@phoenixAnd yet, you don't see Utah fans making excuses for the
Colorado debacle. Claiming that if that game was played again, the result would
be different. Giving no credit to CU. You have accurately
displayed the huge difference between the two fan bases.One can
man-up after a lose, and lives in reality. The other has an amazing ability to
completely forget anything they want to.
Most commented story on D-News site right now, with more than double the
comments of any BYU story.BYU fans, or just Utah haters?Pretty clear.
@williary"Most commented story on D-News site right now, with
more than double the comments of any BYU story."Most recent
game played with the most hilarious outcome. LOL!
Simple fact...both BYU and Utah are just not that good. Neither team owns
bragging rights given the fact that both teams have suffered embarrassing losses
this year. BYU simply can't win the big games and when they continue to lose
those kinds of games on national TV, BCS respect will NEVER come, even when they
win big against the small colleges.Utah fans continuing to brag
about their win over hapless BYU certainly doesn't make Utah any kind of giant
killers. Utah fans should be hiding in dark corners with sacks over their heads
after the debacle with CU. One can only hope that both teams will
get better, which will probably happen despite some of their comical fans.
However, it sure makes for great entertainment to see both BYU and Utah fans go
at it in a sea of irrelevance.
SwoopYep, the same Sagarin who rated Utah 5th in 2008 and BYU
something like 9th in 1984. The same Sagarin used by the BCS since its
inception in 1998 to avoid the embarrassing strength of schedule mess created by
BYU in 1984. There were 47 rating entities in 1984 and 21 of them voted Florida
#1, more than those voting for BYU. The NCAA website under "Past National
Champions" lists Florida, Nebraska and Washington along with BYU for 1984
and simply indicates the rating services next to each school. So much for
official, Swoop, but thanks for playing.
fenderGet your facts straight.There were 5 MAJOR college
football national champion selecting organizations in 1984 and ALL of them chose
BYU as the National Champion.AP - Associated PressFWAA -
Football Writers Association of AmericaNFF - National Football
FoundationUSA/CNN - USA Today / CNN UPI - United Press
InternationalThe exact same five organizations that selected Miami
and Oklahoma as national champions in 1983 and 1985.Nebraska and
Washington didn't even win the conference championships, and Florida didn't play
in a bowl in 1984 because the Gators were ineligible, which calls into serious
question the credibility of your 21 minor rating agencies.The
Official NCAA website under /history/football/fbs lists BYU as THE 1984 National
Champion.NCAA FBS Championship History Year | Champion |
Selecting Organization1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1983 Miami AP, FWAA, NFF,
williaryYou don't see Utah fans making excuses for the Colorado
debacle...because there aren't any excuses for the Colorado
debacle.Utah was playing the last regular season game of the season,
at home, in decent weather, with a +1 turnover margin, against one of the worst
teams in the country.Yet for the entire first half, Utah was
completely dominated.Col 10, 254 yards, 13 first downsUtah 0,
39 yards, 1 first downWith a gift-wrapped trip to the PAC 12
championship game on the line, Utah suffered a complete meltdown.What excuse can you make for such an inept performance?
@fenderThe MOST IMPORTANT ranking is #1The ONLY polls where
that ranking counts are AP and Coaches1984 BYU #1 AP and #1
Coachesbitter Utah fans can whine all they want to about SOS, bowl
opponents, etc., etc., but after comparing BYU's season for over a month with
the seasons of with Washington, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Florida, the majority of
sportswriters and coaches still felt that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team to be
selected national champion in 1984.Feel free to hang a banner for
finishing #5. Nobody cares.
Swoop:"Utah was completely dominated.""Dominated"? We lost by a 3-pts following a missed FG as time
expired. Utah didn't play a good game last weekend, but I would hardly describe
our production as having been "dominated". "Dominated" is
getting blown out by 44-pts on your Home field and watching your team quit.
"Dominated" is losing 7 of the last 10. CU outgained us by 99-yds.
Utah outgained the Y by 127. And THAT was because the Endzone kept stopping a
lot of our drives. Do you STILL want to go with "dominated"?Silly frantic and emotional coug.