Evangelical Christians may continue to have their prejudices about Romney's
religion, but that is not sufficient to explain his failure to rise above 21-26%
approval rating in the polls. Indepedent voters are not concerned about
Romney's religion and evangelical Christians are only a force in Republican
primaries.The big knock on Romney is his "convenient"
flip-flop on critical issues. Valuse he once held as valid have been
"adjusted" to appeal to the Tea Party world. Although he is trying
desparately to maintain some integrity with regard to a general election, he has
succumbed to the conservative technique of doing whatever is necessary to
win.His recent ad criticising Barack Obama regarding the economy was
a blatant excercise of cut-and-paste editing to make a point completely in
conflict with the realitiy of the situation. This is a very sad state of
affairs when the issues are downplayed to useless sound bites and
disinformation. The old Republican Party of ideas and presenting an alternative
approach to government has given way to expediency and a mud fight to gain power
and wealth. The Party of Nixon and Eisenhower has vanished. George Romney
would not know his Party today.
"I am not convinced that Mormon theology deserves to be classified as
Christian .... I have serious disagreements with my Mormon friends about ...
issues regarding the nature of God, the doctrine of the Trinity..."From the website 'ReligionFacts' we find this explanation:"The word "Trinity" is not found in the New Testament, nor is
the doctrine explicitly taught there. "Hints of Trinitarian
beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as
the end of the first century. However, the clearest early expression of the
concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third
century."And further 'ReligionFacts' states"...the Trinity was unheard of until the Emperor Constantine enforced the
foreign idea of Christ's divinity on Christendom."So the term
"Trinity" was NOT taught in the Bible, was introduced by a writer
whose writings are not included in the Bible and was essentially forced on
Chrstendom by a Pagan emporer. So who, exactly, belongs to a cult?
What are his values and issues? They completely change depending on the flavor
of the week! With who he's talking to. I think if Evangelicals based
their opinions of Romney on what he stands for, they'll like him even less. Just another flip floppin big business politician who changes what he
says depending on who he's talking to in order to become elected. Pathetic
The problem with Romney isn't getting the radical right wing vote....The real problem with Romney is getting everyone else's. No one,
other than Mormons, like the guy. They see him as flip flopping,
spoiled son of a rich man, and now negative campaigner who will do ANYTHING to
be loved and become elected.To the rest of America, that's pretty
Governor Romney has always been a strong principled person. He has not been our
proselytizing in his public appearances and debates. The pro-Obama media and
the Obama campaign know who the strong candidate is and have been instrumental
in putting out their anti-Romney influence. Romney has plenty of support away
from the Mormon area and as a person living in Utah the media and a lot of
Mormon don't support him. This article for the Los Angeles newspaper is a
pretty good article but the evangelicals have historically against the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I grew up in Washington state in a Christian
Cooperative community and when we were building our brick chapel, someone poured
gas all around the building and burned the building. There was not a real
investigation and there was never any real hunt for this individual(s). We
built the chapel again and the church is still there. Even with Jesus Christ in
the name of the Church people such as Governor/Reverend Huckabee put out plenty
of anti-Christian sentiment against the Church of Jesus Christ in the last
election process even though Romney said economy was principle concern
I will not vote for any candidate whose values and stand on issues changes five
times a day depending upon which direction the dollars are blowing.
JWB, at 8:43 a.m., says that Governor Romney has always been a strong principled
person. In a way I guess that's true. BUT the "principle" Romney has
always followed is to say or do whathever is necessary to get support, votes
and/or money at any given time. It doesn't matter that the position he is
taking at a given moment is diametrically opposite to a position he might have
taken a short time sooner -- if the new position gets him power, votes and/or
money, he will espouse it (and go back to the original position of THAT position
will give min support, votes and/or money). He has shown that he cannot be
trusted.My family and I are devout, observant Latter-day Saints. We
don't care what religion a candidate may follow; we base our decisions on what
the person stands for and how s/he acts. None of us support Romney, because he
cannot be trusted. We talked about this at Thanksgiving dinner, and found that
ALL of us independently reached the same judgment -- the ONLY decent, principled
candidate, is Jon Huntsman. If he isn't nominated, our border collie (or cat)
gets our votes.
@Furry1993I am not trying to persuade you to vote for anyone. I am
just clarifying that people are out there to mislead people and it is your
choice. If groups and organizations mislead people about the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, then even if you vote for another person, you need
to clarify your convictions. The Church does not require us to vote for any
specific individual and we have agency to choose which candidate you want.
Read the responses above. The first reason most people won't vote for him is
his flip-flopping on major issues.
The buzz on the conservative radio talk show's today was that Obama did not use
the G-word on TV when President Obama Pardons Turkey, now what?. They go onto
say, "socialism" and God don't mix and that's why he did that. Obama
Turkey Pardon: "It Feels Pretty Good to Stop at Least One Shellacking this
November." Obama jokingly called the turkey pardon "one of the most
important duties that I carry out as president." He discussed the process
for selecting the turkeys earning a presidential pardon, which involves
contestants "strutting their stuff" before judges as music plays.
"It's kind of like a turkey version of 'Dancing With the Stars,' except the
stakes for the contestants was much higher," said the president."Only
one pair would survive and win the big prize: life." No, this isn't a
metaphor for the GOP candidates. Obama saved turkeys Peace and Liberty from a
certain death at the annual White House Thanksgiving pardon without Congress's
approval, of course. To tell the truth here, (because conservatives lie alot),
"GOD" and "JESUS CHRIST" are true socialist's, they both
give and gave, conservatives hoard only, they are the I, me and my generation.
My truthful views.
Being a mayor, of course, is not the same as being President of the USA,
although that comparison is suggested in this piece. The President has great
national and international powers, especially when war is declared - or not as
the case may be, when he is commander-in-chief. A mayor does not need a
profound knowledge of foreign affairs as our presidents should have, even though
they usually don't seem to.A Catholic, like Gingrich and Santorum,
may regard the Moslem world in their historic way of constant crusades against
an alien and powerful competing religion. Yet Romney, a Latter-Day Saint, has
the same intransigence and so do a great many Americans of various religions.If only Mitt saw the world in an "LDS" way, like a missionary
who loves all mankind and holds the anti-war sentiments of LDS prophets, who
always held war to be murder on a massive scale.
The most dangerous cult that Romney belongs to the the cult of business.From the infamous quote Corporations are People on, every thing he says
and does is the straight agenda of the business community to subvert and oppress
working people. Especially that part of government that protects and provides
for the welfare of people.
I find it funny that the pro-Romney crowd talks about how religion shouldn't be
a part of the election process. Yet they conveniently "forget" that
many of the Romney crowd support him merely because he's Mormon.In
the end, it all evens out. The truth is, Romney isn't very popular
at all. Not because of religion, but because he has no values or firm positions
on the issues. What does he stand for? Who knows?! It
all depends on which crowd he's speaking to. And unfortunately, for
repubs, that's just not attractive to real Patriotic Americans who put country
ahead of religion.
Although I appreciate this article and the thoughtfulness and sentiments of the
writer, I wish that Mormons would take the same advice: just Romney on his
values and the issues -- not on the simple fact that he attends their Church.I like Romney as a person and it seems he's been an active member of my
LDS faith -- trying to do his best in living the Gospel of Jesus Christ like the
rest of us.Unfortunately, on the issues I strongly oppose his
election. First and foremost he doesn't seem to understand that we are all
children of God. All of us. In every nation. Even those innocent
"collateral damage" citizens that our drone strikes and bombs and
"precision attacks" gone awry kill every week due to our completely
misbegotten foreign policy.I don't share those particular values
with him, but I don't expect anybody to be perfect. I truly admire many many
other things about him. I hope and pray every day that he will investigate our
foreign policy in more detail -- like his father finally did during his own
Presidential run. But in the meantime I also pray we elect somebody else
President who has done that.
I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at all. Every
poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top 3 among
Republican voters. That cannot be explained away as mere "Mormon
support". Numerous public figures have already publicly put their support
RAB: "I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at
all. Every poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top
3 among Republican voters."According to the most recent Gallup
poll Romney would get 20% of the national vote, vs. "some other
Republican" getting more than 30% of the national vote.
Flip-flop is a convenient term for the political environment in any time as
there are at least 1,000 decisions a day that any elected or executive official
has to make that may have been different than the day before. Basic principles
are what you have to watch for flip-flop and that is what Integrity and Honesty
takes care of that process. You can see that in the individual's actions and
process. Voters don't have to listen to the term flip-flop except that the
opponent is trying to confuse the public. Honesty and Integrity don't change and
a person with those characteristics become even more solid in their convictions.
Agencies, executives, elected officials have to make important decisions every
day. Courts help guide government, public and private individuals along the
route of the compass and governments make their changes to conform with the
Then you deserve Mr. Obama and Rev. Wright.
I judge romney, and anyone else who thinks their religion needs to be a part of
politics, on their values. Because they don't value my personal freedom. I'm not
voting for preacher in chief, and my relationship with god is personal and
that's what I expect from my politicians.
You know it's bad enough that Mitt Romney admitted in an interview, "I
tasted a beer and tried a cigarette once as a wayward teenager and never did it
again. This has the makings of the lamest "Behind the Music" special
yet, but not once thanked God. Did that cause a stir on Twitter among Democrats
and those evangelicals?. Now for the double standard. On the other hand,
President Obama gave his weekly radio address, one devoted to Thanksgiving, by
praising U.S. service members and volunteers at shelters and soup kitchens. The
president outlined the many ways that Americans were coming together and the
various things he was thankful for, but not once thanked God. And that caused a
stir on Twitter among conservatives. Most all voters are convinced that if Mitt
Romney wins the Republican nomination, we run the risk of ending up with a
member of a "cult" in the White House. Plus the only ones that are
soft on this RINO is most members of Romney's church, the Utah-based Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All other's can think for themself.
I told you I would tell you the truth. My views.
Romney's real problem is not religion. It is he ignores conservatives and
takesthem for granted..
Judge Romney on his values and the issues?Well, there lies the
challenge. The issues: What year, what issue, what week, what audience?
Values: like putting out campaign ads that deliberately lie? Ends
justify the means? No thanks. No thanks to the 1%er
pretending to be the 99%er. Romney: "The tax payers shouldn't have
to have money taken out of their pay checks to pay people in government who are
our servants who are making a lot more money than WE are."
Man, the dems are out in full force!Try and listen to the interview with
Hannity - it was great and he covered all bases. He gets 25-29% with 7-8 others
in the race. So is it too hard to figure out that it divides the percentages?
With attacks from both the right and the left it is amazing that Romney has been
able to maintain his top tier status in the polls. He has steady support from
those who have taken the time to know him by reading his book and checking out
his website rather than believing what others say about him.Google
whyromney for a site that addresses the so-called flip-flops that everyone keeps
harping on. Are you openminded enough to actually read something that could
change your mind about Romney? Or are you so set against him that you won't go
It amuses me that the people of America wouldn't look at Utah, clearly the
"reddest" state in the union, and conclude Utah's overwhelming support
of Mitt Romney must indicate he meets their rigid standard for a conservative.
@Blue "According to the most recent Gallup poll Romney would get 20% of the
national vote, vs. "some other Republican" getting more than 30% of
the national vote."That is a misleading poll. It is like
asking people "would you vote for this person or someone better?"
Most conservatives obviously do not see Romney as their ideal candidate. But
that does not mean they do not see him as the best candidate available. The
ideal candidate probably does not exist.
Re:goatesnotesPerhaps UT Conservatives can overlook the fact that
Romneycare provides state funding for abortions but that doesn't mean all
Conservatives can/will.Re:McWould that book be the one where
he falsely claims Obama went around the world apologizing?
I've worked for two companies purchased by Bain Capital when Romney was
there.Both were split up and sold for parts. Both had large numbers
of staff fired "for the corporate good".Sorry. I will not
vote for a man who values money over people.Ever.
@TruthseekerYou obviously haven't read the book. Are you open minded
enough to give it a try or content to accept your own assumptions?
Re:Mc"In a debate in Orlando on Sept. 22, 2011, Mitt Romney charged
that President Obama has gone around the world apologizing for America.
The former governor of Massachusetts, has made this charge several times. The
first time we checked it was when he made the charge is his own book, No
Apology: The Case for American Greatness. Some of the Obama speeches that
Romney cited in his book certainly laid out Obamas foreign policy ideas, and it
seems fair to say that a less confrontational approach was among Obamas goals.
Obama had made no secret during the campaign that he intended to set a different
course on foreign policy than Bush -- a committed unilateralist -- had
pursued.Theres a clear difference between changing policies and
apologizing, and Obama didnt do the latter. So we rate Romneys statement Pants
on Fire."(politifact)I can't vote for today's ultra
Conservative, disastrous economic policies promoted by Republicans."After the Republican presidential debate Thursday night, a senior
adviser to Mitt Romney acknowledged that a line about spreading health care
reform throughout the country was changed in the paperback version of Romneys
book No Apology.(abc news)
The word "Cult" is short for "Culture". By this definition,
every religion would fit this. And people get a negative image when they hear
the word "cult". So, while I agree that Mormonism is a unique
"Culture", it does not fit the negative impression of
"Cult". However, I do agree with some of the writers here that Romney
is a "flip flopper" and that is why I don't think he will make it to
@goatesnotesThey look at Utah and see he won almost 90% of the primary
vote in Utah last time, then they ignore Utah because they think they're only
voting for him because he's Mormon. Basically they consider Utah to be like DC
(that voted almost 90% for Obama); they think both are full of people who just
vote based on race or religion rather than the issues.
Romney had line item veto power as governor of Massachusetts and he used it
often. In fact he used it to strike out a provision of the
"Romneycare" Bill that he did not agree with. However he chose not to
use it to disallow the provision contained in that same bill allowing
state-funded abortions in Massachusetts. I think every educated Christian
conservative should ask themselves why before voting for Romney.
Romney has been a dissapointment in the honesty dpartment so far. Claiming that
Obama crashed the economy, claiming that Obama went on an apology tour (straight
from limbaugh BTW) and doing 180's on health care and climate change without
concrete reasons are all points that make Romey a smuck.It's too bad
really, he was taught better. Hutsman seems much more sincere.