Go Mitt in 2012.....His election to the presidency will signal the beginning of
the end to most of the bigotry surrounding The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
"For most Republican voters, Mitt Romney's faith is not an issue."You just keep telling yourself that, Republican Mormons. The reality is that the left will continue to shy away from LDS candidates
because of differences in political ideology, and the right will continue to
treat Mormons as second-class citizens in the political arena because of
differences in religious beliefs.
There's a bit of difference in question wording though. One asks if you're
unwilling to vote for a Mormon, the other asks if him being Mormon makes a
difference. If you're someone unwilling or less willing to vote for a Mormon but
you're strongly against Romneycare, then you may not have been voting for him
anyway so the Mormon thing wouldn't make a difference.
"88 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning voters say they are either
unaware of Romney's religion"That is A LOT of very uninformed
Romney's recent add is one of the most dishonest political adds I have ever
seen.He takes a clip of Obama quoting John McCain, out of context
and passes the words as Obamas own. I understand that politics can
be a dirty business, but this is over the top.So much for how
"religious" Romney is.
I cannot even express my disappointment in Romney... I thought maybe for the
first time in my life I would be voting Republican... and yet, in his effort to
unseat Obama, Romney has taken Obama's words so out of context that I now cannot
trust anything that Romney says. Why do politicians feel the need to lie to gain
votes? Not only has Romney lost my vote, but he has also lost my respect.
Didn't Heavenly Father say something about "Tho shalt not bear false
Gingrich seems to be the only one that has read and agrees with the Utah
Compact. I cringed when he said that America would not be so cruel that it
would break up families. He will have to except the Mormon state of Utah.Mitt Romney is an elitist in the ugliest sense. He would welcome with open
arms the worlds brightest and wealthiest and completely turn his back on the
poor and destitute. His view on charity is typically Republican increase the
soup kitchens (with tuxedoed servers) and stock the food banks with cans of food
produced in China. In other words glorify the rich and humiliate the poor. What led Bloom to conclude that the Church was an oligarchy of plutocrats? I
don't think he could have formed that opinion if his contacts were with the
First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. But what about others?
The Bible Belt won't vote for a Mormon, and no Republican can win nationwide
without the Bible Belt. The evangelicals will stay home.
Mitt's faith IS the issue. Period. Religious (implied) fanaticism is
always viewed as a problem. To the world outside the Salt Lake corridor, it's
The reality is that the GOP is not enthusiastic about Mitt, and this will lead
to Obama getting a second term. The Democrats will exploit several
of Mitt's vulnerabilities, from how ObamaCare is modeled after RomneyCare to the
American jobs Mitt downsized from his corporate enterprises and off-shored to
make a buck for himself to his flip-flops on social issues. While
his Mormonism may not be a primary reason not to vote for him, it becomes simply
"another thing" for traditional GOP voters to contemplate in light of
his other bigger problems. Aside from Huntsman, he's probably the
most balanced of GOP candidates in the field. The latest sudden GOP interest in
Newt will fade as people are reminded of his marital infidelity and involvement
with the financial mess. Too bad the GOP doesn't have anyone else to consider...
For too many independents, such as myself, Mitt's not authentic
enough. His debate comment not too long ago that he can't have any illegals
working in his yard because he was running for president seemed to just smack at
that he'll do/say anything to be president.
I guess the problem that I am having is that given the choice between Trump,
Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Gingrich and Romney, a lot of people in the polls have to
think about it. Romney doesn't jump out to them.Like someone said
on a Yahoo message board, "Gingrich? Ha! Ha! That's funny. But
seriously, who are the Republicans going to nominate?"
I'm a Republican Mormon, Also a State Delegate. And I'm Not sure what Church Ron
Paul goes to. But I am fully behind him. What is it about liberty and person
responsibility (and accountability) many republicans don't understand? As for Mitt, I don't think this country can afford his big government
policies. It has nothing to do with his religion. He is a RINO and people need
to look at his record in MA, not his church attendance. He is no Fiscal
apologies, My cut and paste didnt come through correctly.Should
have read."88 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning
voters say they are either unaware of Romney's religion or it will make no
difference in how they vote."
I'm not real impressed with the candidates be it Republican or the current
president. I've voted in every presidential election since I was old enough to
vote. The field isn't to exciting.
To Susan in VA, Just what are you talking about? Give an example please. This election is going to be the all time biggest mud slinger. Obama
has nothing positive to run on. So much so that some in the Democratic Party
are suggesting he step aside and let Hillary run. Won't happen of course but
that just shows how bad his re-election prospects are. So what will happen is
the Democrats and the mainstream media will attack the Republican like we have
never seen. Romney will present a huge problem due to his scandle free life
style. Talk about political lying, Susan, you ain't seen nothing yet. They are
going to make up stuff about Romney that would even embarrass Bill Clinton.
But apparently it's an issue for the Des News, as they keep putting these
stories out. There was already a national story at least a month ago that dealt
with that issue, but the Des is fixated on Mormonism. I know he's Mormon and I
would vote for him, and I don't even believe in God. Religion, or the lack
thereof, plays a zero percent role in who I would choose for president, and that
should be the same for everyone.
The mans faith rightfully so is not the issue it's his mentality of me, me, I,I!
"So what will happen is the Democrats and the mainstream media will attack
the Republican like we have never seen. "As opposed to
Republicans and conservative media attacking Obama like we haven't seen since...
every day since he became a legitimate threat to win the Democratic nomination
I didn't know that flip-flopping was a religion.
Well that's good news. When he loses the election we won't have to see all the
excuses about him not being elected BECAUSE he is a mormon.
Views from outside DSNews: *'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' -
By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11 From the DSNews:
*'President Obama's purported 'weird'-Mormon strategy against Mitt Romney will
backfire, pundits say' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 08/10/11
*'Polls: Mormonism won't hurt Mitt Romney like Perry might' - By Hal Boyd,
Deseret News - 09/06/11 Outisde: *'Rick Perry
backer decries Mitt Romney, Mormons' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News -
10/08/11 "(Robert) Jeffress described Romney's Mormon faith as
a 'cult,' and said evangelicals had only one real option in the 2012 primaries.
... Asked by Politico if he believed Romney is a Christian, Jeffress answered:
'No.' " Today: *'For most Republican
voters, Mitt Romney's faith is not an issue' - Title, today. 2
things: 1) The DSNews, like many posters, have claimed WITHOUT
reason, that Obama was going to 'attack' Romneys' faith. He has not.
Ever. 2) The very people Mormons typically vote for,
the Republican party and the Deseret News have made more of an issue about Mitt
Romney's faith... than the very people they are villify for doing
so. Conclusion: What does Obama or any Democrat have to
do for 'purported' reports...? Nothing.
Unfortunately, it probably will take a disaster like Obama to get a Mormon
elected to the presidency, but I think that's what will probably happen. We
can't afford another four years of this situation. Romney is our only hope to
beat him. I think most Republicans and independents are coming to that
realization regardless of what they think of Mormons. Go Mitt!P.S. Dear Susan in Va: If you think Romney's ad is the most dishonest
thing you've ever seen, you have VERY little experience in politics.
It has never been Romney's faith that detered me from voting for him... *'Romney criticizes Obama's 'lazy' comment to CEOs' - By Jim Davenport - AP -
Published by DSNews - 11/15/11 'Obama's campaign spokesman said
Romney's got it wrong and that the president was trying to encourage business
leaders to create jobs.' *'First Romney TV ad blasts Obama' - By
Mercedes White, Deseret News - 11/22/11 'Critics say the ad uses
some of the Obama clips out of context, especially when the president says
"If we keep talking about the economy, we are going to lose." It
appears that in that instance, Obama was quoting an aide to then-2008 opponent
Sen. John McCain (sic) That might be beside the point though because...' It was Romney's ACTIONS. Such as, lying.
Romney's record: *'Mitt Romney steers clear of Ohio health, union
issues' - By Dan Sewell - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/25/11
Then: *'Mitt Romney reverses himself, supports anti-union law' - By
Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/26/11 Obama: Promise:*'Obama HRC Speech: "I Will End Don't Ask, Don't
Tell," Says President Obama' - By CHRISTINE SIMMONS - Huffington Post -
10/10/09Delivery:*'Obama signs 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal'
- By Pauline Jelinek - AP - Published by DSnews - 12/22/10Promise:*'Obama to pull combat troops from Iraq by August 2010' - CNN -
02/26/09Delivery:*'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By
Rebecca Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10 *'Osama bin
Laden Killed: 'Justice Is Done,' President Says' - By DEAN SCHABNER - ABC News -
05/01/2011 *'Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal' - By Ben
Feller - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/21/2011 Romney:
*'GOP contenders argue on Iran' - By Kasie Hunt - AP - Published by DSNews -
11/12/11 "If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear
weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon,"
vowed the former Massachusetts governor.' Your choice.
For those who aren't going to vote for him anyway, his religion is a non-issue.
For others, it is likely to become a greater and greater issue assuming he can
get past Gingrich and his inability to be honest.I do enjoy the DN's
need to maintain the idea that mormons are victims. I disagree that opposing the
beliefs of the mormon church as bigotry. I don't like Scientology either and
would never vote for a Scientologist, that isn't bigotry its a decision based on
ideology and belief systems.
m.g. scott | 7:45 a.m. Nov. 23, 2011LAYTON, UT Painting those
who don't agree with Mitt Romney as bigots who don't like Mormons is totally
missing the truth. There may be bigots who won't vote for him because of his
religion but there are so many more that don't like Obama because of his race. I
really appreciate Joseph Smith's example in handling criticism. He asked himself
if the criticism could have been justified in some way and if so he wanted to
improve his life. When Bloom accuses Mormons of being led by an oligarchy of
plutocrats is it just because of bigotry? Translators left out many plain and
precious truths when translating the Bible because they did not like them. Do we
skip over Jacob 2 and James 2 and similar scriptures in our Sunday School
classes? How often do you see references to Elder Packer's October 2007
Honestly, as a lifetime Republican and conservative, I would vote for Mitt
Romney EXCEPT for the fact that he is Mormon. That is the main reason I won't
vote for him. As the first comment noed, Mormons see Mitt's campaign as an
extension of their public relations campaign, and a way to try to legitimize
Mormonism. THAT is what I bristle at: the self-promotional, self-importance of
the Mormon mentality. It is a form of narcissism, really, and comes across as
arrogant and imperialistic.
To Cats.Let me show you how it works.Cats Writes
"Romney's ad is the most dishonest thing"I quoted you
exactly, although not completely.You tell me. Was I being honest?
Voting for Obama, and not voting for Romney because of his faith, is like
cutting off your nose to spite your face. Good luck with that.
I M LDS 2In contrast to the "Mormons" you describe, this Mormon
is very concerned with Mormons in Politics. Politicians are very polarizing
individuals by nature. It is not difficult to imagine a scenario where an
individual states "the only Mormon I know is the president, and he is a
disaster."Although most Americans would vote for a Mormon, I am
concerned with the few Republicans in swing states that could alter the election
by not voting. Specifically those that live in North West Florida. I am not sure
that the hatred for Obama will overcome the long standing prejudices in that key
state, and that may be the difference in the election. Mormon's needed a
Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper who fans his run for the presidency with a forked
tongue. He will not be elected president and he will blame it on being a
mormon. He is hurting not only himself but other mormons as well. Unfortunate.
@Band of Sisters"Voting for Obama, and not voting for Romney because
of his faith, is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Good luck with
that. "I think it's more like doing the right thing for the
Floyd Johnson | 9:37 a.m. Nov. 23, 2011 Broken Arrow, OK I M LDS
2In contrast to the "Mormons" you describe, this Mormon is very
concerned with Mormons in Politics. Politicians are very polarizing individuals
by nature. It is not difficult to imagine a scenario where an individual states
"the only Mormon I know is the president, and he is a disaster."@Floyd Johnson, my sentiments exactly. There are too many people not
seeing the forest thru the trees here. I think that Romney as President would
be a disaster for the church.
Anyone else feeling badly in need of diversity?This daily(sometimes more
than daily) discussion of Mitt's Mormonism gets so very tiring.Who knows
if the guy will get the nomination? But if the DN keeps pushing and pushing this
"Mormon Wonderfulness", the public will become even suspicious of the
religion. Why continue this day after day ? Why is the DN trying sooooooo hard
on this issue?Checking out Calif. Arizona, Oregon, Washington and other
state publications. Whew, need a break from the persistent daily dose of
Who cares about his faith. The guy invented obamacare before oblamo himself!This guy is a spender. He is not a conservative. He is a raging
moderate. I'm tired of conservatives giving up and settling. That
is what got us Bush who was a huge spender. That said Bushs spending now looks
like chump-change though when compared to oblamo.Eventually when all
the this fake crap the government is feeding the citizens collapses on its own
weight people will wish they would have made different choices.People are interested in anything they can get from government and it is a
stupid electorate that can't figure out where the government gets their money.
They get it all from you and when that is not enough to fund all the corruption
they are borrowing and it is effectively going on a credit that you owe for and
all without your permission.Fools.
Had Mit held to his guns as a Progressive Republican, I would had supported him
in a second. But the fact that he bends and panders to the extreme right,
alters who he is to appease those who he thinks he need to get through the
primaries, is a real problem for me. Pardon the phrase, but the
devil i know is far better than the devil i don't know. What Romney will do in
office is anyones guess because his record is evidently not who he is. The
Olympics is a prime example. Today, he is Mr. Free Enterprise - anti big
government. And yet, without the HUGE infusion of public money into
infrastructure, the Olympics would have never been possible. Even with his
skills in righting that bloated ship, he still financially would not have been
able to do what was done without public money.But today, he wants
government out of everything - so he says. And it is those inconsistencies that
have him in the mud at 20-something percent. If he gets through the primaries,
I think he has a good chance because he can center his self again. Until then,
religion is his least issue.
to m.g. scott - Romney ran a 60sec ad and it used a tape of Obama saying
"If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." It made
is sound like that was Obama's words. And then Romney went on to criticize the
President for those words. The entire quote should have been... "Senator
McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, 'If we keep talking about the
economy, we're going to lose.'" - What Romney did in that ad was deceitful
and totally dishonest and he was trying to paint a picture of President Obama
that simply doesn't exist. Now, I have my problems with Obama, but this was the
last straw as far as me even thinking about voting Republican in THIS race. I
realize that all politicians do this, but I hold anyone who belongs to the
Mormon Church to a higher standard (yes, I'm a member) and I wonder why he felt
the need to do this?
You have to wonder if the DesNews is actually following the election or just
hanging out down at BYU in the religious faculty lounge.
I believe that the media's claim of religious bias against Mitt is a straw man.
The left fears Mitt, as they do all of the potential Republican candidates,
because he is not of the radical progressive radical camp. But, Mitt is tainted
in the minds of the conservatives because many of us view him as McCain light.
The two most critically destructive programs are Obamacare and what amounts to
"cap and trade," based on the global warming hoax, administratively
imposed by the EPA and other Federal agencies. Mitt's statements of a belief in
human caused global warming and his defensive track record of Romneycare raise a
LARGE red flag for conservative voters.
Bruce A. Frank | 11:05 a.m. Nov. 23, 2011San Jose, CA I'm sure
you are an environmental scientist who has spent a lot of time on this issue or
you would not dare to be so authoritative in your comments. Would you care to
share some of your evidence that this is a hoax? Or is your source a talk show
When Utah legislators (Mormons) pass laws that are considered inhibiting
compared to other states, it resonates as LDS Church Government in the press.
When tourists come to Utah and are subjected to laws that seem designed to move
your actions and morals toward becoming a member of the state majority it is
relayed upon their return to reality back home. It is considered normal for
adults to drink alcohol, coffee, and tea. When they are considered less than
first class humans here in Utah for doing the same, it resonates. A Mormon
president is impossible to consider when the impression has been instilled that
he will try to lead all of Americana into the land of Zion and we will all be
forced to bend to the will of the LDS doctrine and Word of Wisdom. That concept
is unfathomable to those of other faiths or even no faith. This opinion is so
well in-trenched that there will never be a LDS president until it can be
trusted that the LDS religion can stop thrusting their morals onto the general
public. In other words, Live and let Live.
' A Mormon president is impossible to consider when the impression has been
instilled that he will try to lead all of Americana into the land of Zion and we
will all be forced to bend to the will of the LDS doctrine and Word of Wisdom.'
- Bankshot7 | 11:22 a.m. Nov. 23, 2011 Supported.
*'Romney: God wants US to lead, not follow' - By Steve Peoples - AP - Published
by DSNews - 10/07/11 And: *'GOP contenders argue on
Iran' - By Kasie Hunt - AP - Published by DSNews - 11/12/11 "If
we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt
Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon," vowed the former
Massachusetts governor.' I apologize if this offends some, but I am
quoting Mitt Romney. And I do NOT support another war based on the
lie of 'Nuclear Weapons.' Like Iraq. That 'only' cust
America $3 trillion dollars and... *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq
war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 11/22/2011 far, FAR
too many American lives. For Nuclear Weapons that were... never found to this day.
For the many here who whine about the DN printing yet another article about
Romney's faith etc etc. As if it's only an issue in Utah...And how ONLY
the DN does such silly self serving things.Try reading the headline on
AZCENTRAL.Maybe the need to vent hatred and bigotry will be further
satisfied by many here, by seeing it on full display somewhere outside of
Utah.Maybe Pagan could share some more of his worn out/non related news
articles down here too.Just makes ya feel warm and fuzzy, just in time for
I think this type of article doesn't do positive things for Mitt Romney nor Jon
Huntsman or any other Congressional or Senatorial candidate running for office.
Huckabee may say "vote for Romney" but most people do care about the
religion aspect, as evidenced in the last run for President with demeaning
language about Governor Romney in every breath by Huckabee. This morning on
Bill Bennett's Morning in America it comes out where moderators mention the
religion about both Huntsman and Romney, "the Mormons". Dr. Bennett
is a pretty nice person as other moderators on radio "talk" shows but
religion is a factor for both these candidates. Governor Romney may have a good
chance but it was in December 2007 that John McCain turned almost hostile on
Governor Romney for stating that the "ECONOMY" would be the biggest
factor of the election in 2008. The financial market, private and government,
fell apart within months of that debate. People accepted Senator McCain more
than Romney but in reality, Governor Romney may have done a better job than our
current elected President, especially with the economy. I can't remember any
real discussion by Senator McCain on the economy, even when it was failing
@Susan in VAI share your concern.Last night, I studied
our next Sunday School Lesson on 1 and 2 Peter as well as Jude.Look
at 1 Peter Chapter 3. Look at the description of the chapter. You will notice
it reads:"...Saints should live by gospel
standards...".I know it must be in the scriptures someplace,
but I have yet to find where it reads that saints should live by gospel
standards... except...when running for a political
office.I'm sure Romneyites as well as others who are equally well
versed in the scriptures will inform me of my error and help me understand this
Bankshot7:"will try to lead all of Americana into the land of Zion and we
will all be forced to bend to the will of the LDS doctrine and Word of
Wisdom"This is just silly.The LDS Church has
difficulty getting many people who are already members of their Church to follow
and adhere to the Word of Wisdom, or other LDS doctrines.If its
difficult to get many members to do so, why would anyone worry a President would
have any ability to convince non-members to do so??
Win or lose, Mitt is bad for the LDS Church. The more information people gather
about the LDS Church one of two things happens: 1) the LDS Church becomes more
moderate, and/or 2) members resign or become inactive. Gradually,
people are becoming more comfortable researching the history of the LDS Church.
Heck, even FARMS (or MormonVoices now) has enough information to allow someone
to learn about the true history and make an informed decision.
I once read, that any man who would cheat on his wife and family, would cheat on
his country. I don't feel Mitt is a cheater.Much of Obamas past is
hidden, so we don't know, but I wouldn't trust anyone with a cheating past.Christian values are important.
ThinksThink.... I get what you are saying, but if any institution comprised of
men (and women) is measured on the "perfectness" of its members - no
organization could stand by their history. Not a single one.And
there lies the problem with all of this... the assumption that there is
perfection anywhere to be found. Joseph Smith was not perfect, Brigham Young
wasn't either. Neither is Romney, and certainly Glen Beck isn't. The
Republican party isn't, nor is the Democratic party. So I am not
sure what studying the history of the church is supposed to reveal that would
impact things much differently than any other candidates history and faith would
impact them. Yes, a large percentage of LDS people are clueless to
the faiths real history - they have the Friend and New Era versions of it. So
it is true with any other faith as well. This is a false argument, and one if
Romney has little to no control over. What he does have control
over is his own policy positions and actions.
The only way it wouldn't matter is if religion were kept out of politics
altogether, as it should be.
Romney's lack of integrity is the issue.
Romney is:Pro-torturePro-Patriot ActPro-warConsider these facts when voting for him, even if he is Mormon. Too many
Mormons that I know don't even know anything about Romney's platform, or what he
plans to do.In other words, they are voting for him because of a
shared religion.This is a heinous act. If you vote for someone, vote
for them because you have done your homework! If not, there is no difference in
this and the guy in your ward "that has an investment opportunity for
you". Religious trust is a veiled evil.
Romney is a good mormon. He has my vote.
@utah blue devils,I think my last post was confusing. I don't think
the LDS members reflect poorly on the LDS Church. I think the problem is
UtahBlueDevil,"...but if any institution comprised of men (and
women) is measured on the "perfectness" of its members - no
organization could stand by their history. Not a single one."That is a true statement, with which few would disagree.The
problem is that the LDS Church and its members CLAIM that the LDS Church is not
just any other "human" organization. If the LDS Church claimed merely
to be just another human organization, invented by human beings, doing the best
they could do to do some good in the world, then the world would overlook the
faults and imperfections of the Church, its history, and its members and
leaders.But that is not what the LDS Church claims to be.Instead, it claims to be "the one and only true and living Church on the
face of the earth"; It claims to be the ONLY Church authorized by God; it
claims to be founded and organized directly by God and revelation from God,
rather than by the minds of fallible men.Either Mormons and the
Mormon Church need to demonstrate (historically as well as contemporaneously)
that it IS "the kingdom of god on earth", or stop making divine
@worf"Much of Obamas past is hidden, so we don't know, but I wouldn't
trust anyone with a cheating past."You sound like Glenn Beck.
It's like you're saying "I don't know that Obama cheated on his wife... but
I'm not not saying that he has.""Christian values are
important. "Obama is a Christian and frankly any LDS person who
thinks Obama isn't a Christain better not be whining when people don't consider
Romney a Christian, since if they do... they're hypocrites.
Worf.....not exactly sure what your point is. Is it your claim that because we
don't know something that there must be something? Huh?What
exactly is it that you don't know that makes you so sure there is something
wrong with his marriage. Exactly who is supposed to be coming forward telling
us nothing happened so that we all can feel comfortable? Vanka, I
get the point you are trying to make but in many ways it makes no sense either.
You can have something where perfect or near perfect knowledge is obtainable,
and yet acting on that knowledge in a perfect way is impossible because oneself
isn't perfect. It is possible to have perfect doctrine and yet have no one live
it perfectly. But further to your point, there are far too many LDS
who view themselves as being perfect or expect those around them to be perfect.
This I will completely agree with. But there are also many more who are
compassionate, and accept people for who they are.
UtahBlueDevil,"You can have something where perfect or near
perfect knowledge is obtainable, and yet acting on that knowledge in a perfect
way is impossible because oneself isn't perfect. It is possible to have perfect
doctrine and yet have no one live it perfectly."To know the
good is to do the good.As such, No, you cannot claim to have perfect
knowledge without acting on it.Unless, of course, you are willing to
raise hypocrisy to the level of religion, and enshrine mere idealogues as our
I have tried numerous times to post here in simple, straight-forward terms what
the religious issues are with evangelicals from my community's experience.
Whenever I mention Mitt's flip flops only, I'm posted. But when I list the 4-5
major changes that are pardigm-shifts within the Church's doctrinal history, I
get denied. The Mormon church is seen and judged by outsiders for all their
doctrines -and not just their promotion of family values. If Mitt were a fine
Muslim family man, many evangelicals would like him but not vote for him based
solely on his doctrinal issues. Myself included.At the end of the
day, I want to know which God my President is praying to for help with his
weighty decisions. Good personal morality aside, I want to know which God he
trusts in. This is the same reason why Pres. Obama's pastor was a key issue.If the DN really cared about listening to the reasons why certain of us
evangelicals would vote Newt, Perry or Cain over Mitt, we would not be denied
listing out reasons. Rev. Jeffress told you, just in the wrong venue and you
never listened to his explanation either.
It's a very simple issue for conservative, Biblical Christians where religion is
ultimately the last issue remaining: Trust.Can you trust that your
candidate, gender or race aside, will follow the Constitution, God's Word and
his conscience? If any of those 3 are in question, there will be equivocation.
That's Romney's dilemma and few in his camp care enough to fully expose him to
that scrutiny. Frankly, I may vote for him if he could ever sell me on his
trust question.If he gets the party nomination, and the LDS church
opens all the stops with accessible transparency, we might see our first Mormon
president. But only on those terms. If you're ready for full disclosure, that
would be a game changer for me.
Vanka - your comment makes no sense what so ever. I can know
without a doubt what in baseball where the strike zone is, and yet fail to throw
a stike every time.A muscian can know how to play a musical piece
perfectly on an instrument, and yet even a masters still make mistakes.Where do you get this presumption that if you know something, even believe it
it, and strive to live what you think you know, that somehow because human
imperfection inserts itself, that therefor means what you think isn't true.People make mistakes, regardless of their level of knowledge. Math is a
perfect science, and yet mathematical errors happen. Since these error happen,
does that mean math is no longer perfect?A knowledge of something
you know to be true may indeed result in an action, but because the actor is not
perfect does not mean that resulting action will be perfect.This
explains a lot of your thought process Vanka and why you reject any form higher
UtahBlueDevil,"I can know without a doubt what in baseball
where the strike zone is, and yet fail to throw a stike every time."Clearly, you have never played baseball! Bad analogy, as is your analogy
to music. Try studying up on Aristotle's aesthetics."Where do
you get this presumption that if you know something, even believe it it, and
strive to live what you think you know, that somehow because human imperfection
inserts itself, that therefor means what you think isn't true."Try Plato: To know the good is to do the good. If you fail to do the good
(perfectly), then you do not know it. Simple. Axiomatic. Inescapable."Math is a perfect science" - clearly, you don't understand Math,
either."This explains a lot of your thought process Vanka and
why you reject any form higher than yourself...."Huh? Such an
absurd presumption is completely unfounded. Why the personal attack?I repeat, either stop claiming to be the "one and only true and living
Church", or else live up to it... perfectly. Otherwise, you make yourselves
the epitome of hypocrisy.