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  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    BYU has it too good as an independent.

    Why join an AQ conference that is about to lose that status and have to give up its television rights too? As I see it there is little to gain and a whole lot to lose.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    All I care about is the best competition. If BYU decides to remain an independant, here's hoping that the schedule can be upgraded so both the Utes and Cougars are playing top caliber teams. No matter who joins the Big East, hopefully this will give USU an opportunity to join the MWC where I believe they would do very well.

  • Cougzz St. George, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Before you go and say that BYU is unreasonable, consider this:

    The ball is in our court. They want us. We aren't dead-set on joining the Big East. So: If we have a deal that is very beneficial to us and to the Big East, we will go. Otherwise, our hearts aren't broken.

    I loved that my Cougs were on international TV every game (and so did my family that lives all across the country). We got extreme exposure, and that is what the university wanted.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    "They are being extremely unreasonable all of a sudden."

    All of the sudden??

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    We don't really fit into the Big East anyway. Neither does Boise St., Air Force or San Diego St. I thought it was a stretch when the Big 12 was considering us. For now I am happy with independence. Let's wait until it all plays out with the BCS and realignment. We are in a good spot and should not have to compromise to get into a conference on the verge of collapse.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    Wow, I have never seen a University more tight with money. Reminds me of the friend who pulls out the calculator to figure out how much everyone owes for the tip.

    This also reminds me of the Saw movies. In this case, Jigsaw set up a game to see if BYU could overcome it's selfishness and greed for money and play in a BCS conference--to which they have failed miserably. This is the beginning of the end for BYU football. The door is slamming shut with BYU left to itself and its misery.

    Hey BYU--GAME OVER!

  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    I wouldn't be too sad not to join the Big East, but if the tv negotiations is what kept us out of the Big 12, then I have to throw my hands up in the air and scream, "What were you thinking!?"

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Carnak,

    With every team that was any good from the MWC, is the conference really any different from the WAC? And the WAC's TV deal sure offered more exposure. USU going to the MWC is a losing proposition. They should be looking at possibly conference USA.

  • billysworkshop PROVO, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    SO SICK OF THIS.

  • Boston Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Principle and selfishness or arrogance and selfishness - you decide.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    yay! more games against the bottom of the Wac teams! wahoo! now BYU can get an even more inflated view of themselves!

    yay!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    To many fans are going to be upset if BYU doesn't jump at the chance to get into a BCS conf. , the fact is BYU being independent is just fine, the scheduling will improve with time and unless the Big East or Big 12 or any other conf. for that matter want to make it worthwhile, BYU just needs to stay independent. If the BCS makes the changes being talked about there won't even be
    BCS conferences. Why would BYU give up their TV rights etc if it won't be to their advantage.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    The Rock,

    Too good at beating up bottom dweller WAC teams, you mean?

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    Stay independent. Soon this conference will be revealed as a desperate attempt to keep 'big boy' status. No disrepect intended by a few of these schools in AQ conferences? It was a stretch for BYU, Utah and TCU but San Diego State?

    In any case, don't sweat the little stuff. Keep the contract, play a random, fun schedule every year and see what happens. I am losing my taste for this 'Vegas style all-in' on college sports. We need to remember these are student-athletes. Back to basics. Win games and people watch, lose'm and the seats are empty. And when its over make sure you have a real degree hanging on your wall. A lot of people have paid a lot of money for these universities for academics, football should remain second place.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    It's not about money, it's about visibility. Show of hands, who wants to join the Big East and possibly get stuck with 3-4 games on TV with the rest limited in availability and no chance for even BYUtv to air them? Anybody??? That is what BYU doesn't want to happen (again, MWC) Get a good deal cougars or don't deal at all.

    The schedule will get better:
    2012- GTech, Utah, Boise, ND, Org St, Wash St
    2013- GTech, Utah, Boise, ND, Wash St, Texas, Houston

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    What is "Big East" about the Big East anyway? If the western half of the Big East is Boise State, San Diego State, Houston and SMU, how is that a better conference line-up than the best of the current MWC? And the eastern half is even worse. How often are Connecticut, Rutgers, Cincinatti, Navy and Central Florida going to be BCS contenders? Chances are good that Boise State won't endure as a national power so if BYU wants to dominate another conference and winning a conference championship is the most important thing, then they should join the Big East. If they want to have national exposure, have their fans see all their games on national television and keep the money from tv and bowl games (though usually not BCS bowls), play other nationally significant programs, then they should remain independent. The national college football landscape will do some serious shifting in the next few years. BYU should stand its ground until the shifting stops.

  • ArticunoBYU Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    good to hear! we didn't want to go to the Big Least anyway! lol!

    and whats funny to me is that Utsie trolls are already out talking like its 1999.

    Truth is, it doesn't matter where BYU goes, because, well...........we are BYU. Independence has been great and I anticipate us getting the same access taht notre dame has enjoyed since we are comparable programs historically and now as far as fan bases go.

    Bronco has said that this team will be in the national title race next year. This is his favorite team.

    I trust that the bot will do exactly whwat needs to be done. we will do ther ight thing. and no matter what, we always have more bcs access tahn the utsies! eat that up utsie trolls!

  • Honestly?Really? Hurricane, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    We need an upgrade in schedule strength especially in the home game department. But a move to the Big East is a lateral move if you ask me and the Big East would be the party getting the upgrade... the Big East, for the past 6 or 7 years, has been consistently worse than the MWC but with the addition of Boise St and Air Force the conference might be viewed in great favor of keeping it's AQ status. I still think down the road the Cougs go somewhere but IF the fans have to deal too much with this creampuff home schedule LES will suffer in the attendance category. I for one will travel 4 hours to Provo to see BYU/Texas but I will no longer travel to see BYU/NMSU... Come on Cougs the fans NEED SOMETHING EXCITING.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Boo hoo, so maybe we are not going to the Big East. I am not crying.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Everyone speculates without knowing the actual facts. It's not being selfish. It's called smart business sense. The Big East would not be much more of an improvement over the Mountain West. Why give up a lucrative ESPN deal and become subject to possible bad administration similar to the Mountain? Obviously there are problems in the Big East or the good teams wouldn't be bolting from it. The schedule would not improve that much considering what is in the works for BYU.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Look at next years schedule - Not too shabby. If BYU has to give up everything to join the Big East for a net loss, why bother. BYU's schedule is improving moving forward and if the BCS changes it's formula, BYU will be better off as an independent. BYU has some smart and wise people working on this and I believe they know what is best for BYU and that they will get it.

    Go Cougars.

  • jimmyjones Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    BYU would not walk into a situation only to be burned in 2 years when everything falls apart. Already the scheduling next season will be much better. What we experienced this season with multiple WAC teams was a desperate attempt to schedule opponents as fast as possible. BYU has a great deal being independent and is on the inside of the negotiations. They are not the speculators. They will make a very well informed decision that suits them and their mission/goals. Remember when BYU and Utah were roped into the mountain network? That sucked. BYU has a great deal with ESPN in place. Their fans are able to see them perform which is what the school wants. They would be very hesitant to throw that all away for something that might not be too great in a couple years. Also they have a state of the art broadcasting facility. Can you blame them for wanting to use it?

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Whether it goes through or not, this new proposed Big East is an unstable mess. Rutgers, UConn, Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida are either going to wither on the vine by effectively becoming mid-majors (again ... remember, 10 years ago, only Rutgers was a football member of a current BCS league, and they were horrible) or jump to the ACC at their first opportunity.

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Doesn't CBS have a huge vested interest in sandbagging BYU publically? Adterall, it competes head-to-head w/ESPN. BYU and ESPN are tied at the hip. CBS' contract w/Beast is up in about 90 days and negotiations to renew are eminent. It simple seems that McMurphy's column was very conveniently self serving for CBS, painting BYU as the bad guy. I am shocked Gordon didn't ask the same question? I've been a Beast advoocate all along, but not if BYU has to give up ESPN and BYUtv. BYU's value will carry over to all other venues when on the road so this is a CBS ploy for future contract power and nothing more. BYU should NOT accept any compromise deal.

  • three11stu Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    Having exposure with your own TV deal means nothing if nobody is watching it. I wonder how many people nationally are staying up for these 1030 eastern kickoff games against teams like Idaha and New Mexico St. Heck, how many people here are tuning in to these games, besides die hard BYU fans?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    I think BYU has issues getting real games lined up a couple years down the road as when most league grow to 14 and 16 teams, much of their scheduling flexibility will be taken away by having to schedule in league opponents. BYU will be fighting for ever fewer open slots a schedules.

    But I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Stand your ground. Deliver on your mission. Don't let the peasants bother you. Be the antithesis of Penn St., Miami, Ohio St. and many more.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    @ Wildcat

    You are obviously clueless about BYU's motivations. It is not about greed or money. It is about BYU name brand to get on as many television sets as possible. That is why they went independent in the first place. That is why they have made a huge investment in the new broadcast facility.

    Having said that, I really wish they would join a BCS conference--better competition/scheduling, chance for BCS bowl, and probably better recruiting. But the powers that be just aren't going to release the stranglehold they have on television rights. I understand their motivation, and its not about money. I just don't agree with it.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    As I understand it, the reason the BCS moguls are talking about doing away with the AQ status for all conferences and independents is to stop the very kind of conference sausage making and cherry picking that is going on with the Big East and to some extent the Big 12. The reasoning is if the AQ status is no longer then conferences like the Big East do not need to try and structure something so ridiculous. It also gives the big bowl committees from the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and to a much lesser extent the Rose bowls the power to choose the teams and match ups that they want. Of course, the BCS will still set the table for the national championship game.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Long ago, eighty percent of MWC TV revenue came from BYU games. Obama wanted the cougs to pay a little more to make it fair.

    Independence is a breath of fresh air.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    I get weary listening to pundits say that BYU is being "unreasonable" because they don't want to give up what they have for something less. The only value I see in moving to the Big East would be ease of scheduling during the second half of the season.

    That's it. The automatic "AQ" status seems destined for the trash heap, as does the conference's AQ status itself.

    Why give up independence, and why give up a larger TV pot for a smaller one, especially when it was the Big East that contacted BYU?

    As a fan since the mid 1970's, I have enjoyed supporting the Cougars because in doing so I am supporting my church. I am perfectly willing to wade through a couple of years of New Mexico States until scheduling catches up with the program.

  • 61Cougar Seattle, Wa
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Again, BYU is the one negotiating from a position of power, not the Big East. BYU has what it really wants for the next several years--greater exposure and more control of its brand as a football entity.

    If this was all about AQ status, BYU would have sold its independence to the Big 12, which would have put them on a similar TV exposure/annual payout level as their rival Utah, which joining the Big East will never provide. Why even toy with the Big East when the Big East cannot possibly give BYU what the Big 12 can? Only if the Big East will take BYU with BYU's existing TV deal would it even make sense for BYU to join. If BYU can't keep control of their home TV rights, it becomes a non-starter in negotiating with the Big East.

    Let the Big East gather in Boise State and San Diego State and create something akin to a new and improved C-USA. BYU (not to mention BYU's fans) is better off staying the independence course.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Since we are talking about business leverage, the Utes should use theirs and demand 2 for 1s from BYU.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Why take a step backwards after you have taken a couple forward. Exposure is #1. They also have freedom to schedule as they want and they get a bunch of money for their troubles.
    I don't like the November scheduling much with the exception of Hawaii but that will get better. If it becomes necessary to join a conference for AQ status or BCS(or something similar)inclusion then they can concede some things. Until then, I think they are doing the right things.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    You people who say BYU is selfish and greedy have no idea what you're talking about. I doubt any of you have lived outside the Wasatch Front and tried to get a BYU game for the past 30 years. Impossible. You can't build a program unless you get some exposure in some major media markets. The past decades in the WAC/MWC were a disaster.

    If you're a Ute fan, just think how hard it's been to watch Utah football until now. There are far more of us outside the Wasatch Front than inside and we all want to get the games. Now, the other half of exposure is playing quality competition and winning. I wish we'd do more of that. But I can't blame BYU for wanting to avoid another MWC/The Mtn situation like we had a few short months ago!!

    I'm torn over the Big East. A sinking ship with all the defections, but one with member schools in major media markets. I think it is too big and not a cohesive set of schools like most other conferences. I think we are in for a lot more re-alignment in the coming years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    @kosta fesenko aka "duckhunted", "articuno BYU", "duckhunter hunter", "noblepromise", "54-10"

    You've used all of those screen names on BYU articles today. You even changed place of residence for "articuno" to Hilghland or else forgot to change it from when you were posting as "duckhunted".

    That said your post above:

    "Since we are talking about business leverage, the utes should use theirs and demand 2 for 1's from BYU"

    That actually made me LOL. You see an entity actually has to have leverage to use it. utah does not ahve any leverage to demand that from BYU and they know that. Certainly utah "fans" like yourself like to pretend they do but of course they don't. There is absolutely nothing utah possess's that gives them the "leverage" to make that demand.

    LOL!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Get your 2012 Cougar season tickets now. With exciting home games against:
    Hawaii, Idaho (again?), Washington State, Weber, Utah State (again) and the big game against Oregon State. It will be a party of the likes none have seen.

    At least some of the road games will be fun.

    If you are a good recruit, take a look at better options. All those hours in the film room, weight room, getting hit will pay off at the Armed Forces, Poinsettia Bowl or Kraft Hunger Bowl. Is this what you dreamed about?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    From the comments I've read, I'm amazed at how many BYU fans there are who truly believe that BYU can do no wrong. I've heard you exist, but I didn't believe it...until now. At least now I know where on the internet you congregate.

    And based on this article, I'm going to conclude that BYU is being unreasonable. It's not like this is some blogger, or local media hack, or Utah fan who's saying BYU is unreasonable - this is a source within the Big East. He's right in the middle of this thing. I'm going to take his word over a bunch of internet-surfing fans.

  • 61Cougar Seattle, Wa
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    "Since we are talking about business leverage, the Utes should use theirs and demand 2 for 1s from BYU."

    This is your brain on drugs. Any questions?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    @cowardly robin

    "based on this article, I'm going to conclude that BYU is being unreasonable."

    Of course you would conclude that. For one you are a utah troll, for another you assume that BYU actually wants what the Big East is offering. It is pretty obvious BYU doesn't want what is being offered or else they would have already accepted it.

    "Being unreasonable" is something that only applies when you are the one asking to get in and then laying down conditions. It doesn't apply at all to BYU because they aren't asking to get in, the BIG EAST is pursuing BYU. I'm sure they think BYU is being unreasonable because they aren't getting what they want. BYU on the otherhand doesn't want what's being offered so they really don't care what the BIG EAST thinks.

    It is pretty obvious to everyone but the ute trolls that BYU can take or leave this thing. If they get what they want then they are willing to come on board, if they don't get what they want then they have no interest in doing it.

    It sounds to me like BYU holds all of the cards.

  • taraxopoios Lake Tapps, WA
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    I grew up in Provo about two miles from LES. From the time I was 10 or 11 I went to 4+ home games a year and was able to watch the away games on TV. Then I moved to Michigan for grad school and upon finishing moved to the Seattle area. Although I am still a die hard fan and read the DesNews daily, I felt disconnected from my team since I was not able to watch any games...until this year. Yeah, the competition has left something to be desired and the team itself has not been spectacular this year, but I have loved being able to watch every game. It has been great. For me, AQ status in the Big East is not worth losing that. AQ status in a better conference, that's a different story.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    again, I am only Kosta Fesenko. That is it. I have no other screen names. I am still not sure why I am being accused of having multiple ID's.......

    at any rate, here is the leverage: BYU has to fill 12 slots each year. Until they prove that they can get 12 quality games, then they need Utah. Utah only has to fill 3, meaning they do not need BYU (BYU doesn't really "need" Utah, but moreso than the other way around). Call me "delusional" but if I was Chris Hill, thats what I would do. If BYU doesn't want that, then by all means, continue filling up the schedule with WAC teams.....

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Re: Brave Sir Robin,

    So you're going to take the word of a "source within the Big East" who is going to spin the truth in the Big East's favor over anyone else? Ok. You probably also believed Casey Anthony's lawyers when they said she was innocent.

    My guess is the Big East is negotiating from a standpoint that they believe that membership in the conference is a good thing, that the Big East is lightyears better than Independence. So, from that perspective, sure, BYU not wanting to give up TV rights would be "unreasonable". But from BYU's side, where Independence has already proven to be successul, you've got to offer something better than just joining the MWC 2.0

  • Kolob State BOISE, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    The Big East has some big power brokers in their corner (Paul Tagliabue among them). Don't look for them to lose their access to the BCS. The last thing the BCS wants is litigation.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    There is a strong possibility the Big East's next TV contract will be with Comcast. BYU in no way should join the Big East if there is even a chance of repeating what happened with the mtn. End of story.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Im torn, keep a better TV deal and stay independent or accept the Big East deal with less exposure and shut San Diego St out of a chance to leave the MWC. Decisions, Decisions

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    @kosta fesenko

    I'm begining to think you may actually believe that is your only screen name. It is pretty obvious you are that delusional.

    That said BYU does not need utah for their schedule. utah can only play BYU in September because their pac12 overlords have dictated to them that they are not allowed to play any out of conference games after September while exempting themselves, see USC and Stanford and who they play late in the season for proof, from the same rules.

    BYU has no problem at all scheduling good teams early in the year so they can easily dump utah and get someone comparable that month.

    If utah was allowed by their overlords to play BYU in November when BYU is struggling to schedule decent teams then you might have a point. I say might because I still think BYU would laugh chris hill right off the phone if he ever even suggested it, but since utah does not have the clout to tell the pac12 what it will do then your non point is even more non than usual.

  • Gorum The Old Madison, AL
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    Imagine this schedule for BYU next year:

    Of BYU's 12 games. 3 will be conference champions the year before. 4 will have played in BCS games. 3 will have played in multiple BCS games. One will have a BCS national championship title and played another BCS NC game just 2 years ago. One will have finished in the top 10 for 3 years strait. 4 of them will have finished the previous year ranked. Another 2 will have been ranked for multiple weeks during the previous season, but had fallen out by the end. 2 of those who didn't finish in the top 25 the previous year will have finished there the 2 previous years.

    Sounds pretty good doesn't it?

    That was this year's schedule.

    Before last year, Oregon St and 'Ole Miss had finished in the 25.

    Texas played in the NCG 2 year ago.

    TCU has finished in the top 10 for 3 years strait.

    Utah has 2 BCS victories and is consistantly ranked.

    Hawai'i tied with then #8 BSU and #11 Nevada as WAC cochampion and finished 24th in the final BCS rankings.

    UCF won 11 games last year and finished in the top 20.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Re: Kosta Fesenko

    Why would BYU accept 2 for 1 with Utah when it's home games that they need to fill more desperately? They can go anywhere and play a road game but their ESPN contract only works for home games, since the home team owns TV rights. And ESPN brings up another point: BYU may have to fill a 12 game schedule every year but that's where the partnership with ESPN comes in very handy in helping negotiations along. With that advantage, what really does the Big East offer that BYU doesn't already have, besides more regularly scheduled opponents? Before it was the coveted AQ status but we all know that's more tenuous than ever.

  • Kolob State BOISE, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    After years under the horrible TV contract the Mountain West had, I understand BYU's reluctance. However, the trend toward bigger conferences is driven primarily by money, not AQ status. With a truly national footprint and being the last conference to negotiate, the Big East could shape this thing into a major windfall.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    What does it mean that BYU is being unreasonable? Everyone enters a negotiation with a bottom line below which they will not agree. If you are going to buy a car and have determined that you will not pay more than $20K, but the dealer refuses to sell it for less than $22K, are you being unreasonable if you won't pay the $22K? Are you unreasonable if you try to continue negotiating? Are you unreasonable if you decide to walk away? No, no, and no.

    The only people who are being unreasonable are those who expect BYU to agree to something that they deem to not be in their best interest. Every other school in the country is doing the same thing (looking out for their best interest), why is BYU not being allowed the same courtesy?

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    Show me proof that I have multiple screennames.

    As far as your "point", then go ahead, dump Utah, watch as LES continues to be 80% full with these 8:15 on ESPNU kickoffs. You need BCS teams on your schedule. Utah doesn't need you in the slightest.

    giantfan, you proved my point with your post, but you probbly didn't see it.

  • Gorum The Old Madison, AL
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    continued from above.

    When readin my last post it should become clear that BYU' 2011 Schedule looked very good at the beginning of the year. True, there were 5 cup cakes, but the rest figured to be good games. The problem is that the 7 teams that were supposed to be good, weren't. All 7 (with the exception of Texas) have all taken a serious step back.

    The result is that the schedule that when created looked good and full (well, 7/12) of quality opponents turned out to become somewhat of a joke.

    Summary: For all of those saying that BYU isn't/doesn't schedule quality teams, you are wither stupid, didn't bother to think before posting, or can't remember past last September.

    Have a nice day.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Hey Kosta, I know you've been around long enough to know Duckhunter doesn't possess the ability to process logical thought.
    I wouldn't waste your time trying to explain leverage to him, he's still working on that High School equivalency.

  • Band of Sisters RIVERTON, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Good.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko,

    If you think I proved your point with my post than you didn't understand it.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    @motorbike

    probably true. I hear that when the new site is relaunched, there will be an "ignore user" feature. Duckhunter will be the first to go. He brings nothing to the table but rhetoric and talking points that greg wrubell told him.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    I hope all this works out, one way or the other. It's interesting to note that most byu fans who post have done a complete 180 turn in their opinion of joining the the BE. There's guy in our ward who was loudly extolling the virtues of the BE at church this week. He claimed to have inside information, no less and that it was a done deal.

    Hmmmmm...I wonder what he'll be saying this week??

    As byu goeth, so goeth its fans.

    You guys are a hoot. Anyway, congratulations on ending up where you want to be.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    @giantfan

    *face palm*

    go back, read your own post again. You are arguing from a purely one-sided view point.

  • WillTheWolf SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Why didn't the Deseret News publish the entire quote?

    I doubt BYU will happen, a college football industry source told CBSSports.com. They are being extremely unreasonable all of a sudden. This is one reason why they did not get into the Big 12. Their general counsel (lawyers) is a piece of work."

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Kosta,

    If anything, BYU would have the leverage to offer a 2 for 1 with Utah. I know it would never happen because of only 3 OOC games for Utah every year which makes scheduling BYU troublesome, but that's not BYU's problem to solve. BYU has the bigger stadium which means more revenue. The Utah game was 4x the cost of any other home game ticket in my season package. It's a guaranteed sellout, selling 20,000 more tickets than RES. If the avg. BYU/Utah ticket is $60 (and it's most likely higher than that) then that's $1.2 million more if the game is at LES versus RES. That's the exact reason why it makes a ton of sense for USU to agree to 2 for 1 which they have. So where is Utah's leverage again?

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    yes the big east wants us thats so much better than independence then they dont want us independence is great make a decision BYU fans

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    @ Gorum The Old | 4:45 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Madison, AL

    Using the fact that BYU played Utah as a reason to prove that BYU's schedule looked "very good at the beginning of the year" is not going to sit well with Ducky.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    @kosta fesenko

    You have many times forgotten to change your place of residence when you changed the screen name. No I have not catologued them for future reference I have just made note of them. You will sometimes forget which character you are pretending to be and post in the venaculer of one of your other identities. You will often post with one of your other screen names soon after you have posted in a previous one trying to back up the "point" you made with the 1st name. When you 1st posted as "kosta fesenko" you actually had posted using a similar name using a couple of jazz players to form the name and used Alpine as the place of residence, which not so ironically is the place of residence of several of your other screen names. You then changed it to "chicken mcnuggetville" then a day later changed the screen name to "kosta fesenko" and kept "chicken mcnuggetville" as the place of residence.

    Frankly there isn't room enough here to post all the obvious connections but suffice it to say you and I both know all of those screen names are yours. Plus a few more.

  • Griz Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    @the Rock
    "BYU has it too good as an independent.

    Why join an AQ conference that is about to lose that status and have to give up its television rights too? As I see it there is little to gain and a whole lot to lose."

    I don't think the Big East is going to lose it's AQ status to another conference. The only other conference out there with a shot of taking it from them was the MWC and it is now out of the running with BYU and Utah gone and TCU and Boise St leaving.

    There's no other conference out there with the ability to meet the criteria. Certainly not the WAC or C-USA.

    But, as it is, even though our schedule wasn't great this year I'm looking forward to upcoming seasons and schedules full of teams like Texas, Boise St, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, WVU, VT, Penn St, etc.

    Rumblings about upcoming BCS changes are indicating that the BCS is going to eliminate AQ status completely and the requirement for playing in a major bowl is to finish in the top 10 of the final regular season poll. So, conferences might not matter.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Being in a BCS league to qualify for a BCS bowl isn't BYU's problem (see Utah, Boise State, Hawaii and TCU). Winning enough games to qualify for a BCS bowl is the problem.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:

    Nice try. But we don't accept your false presupposition that you had an open mind concerning BYU's actions before this story came out.

    You're going to have to try a little harder.

    Asking you about what you think about BYU would be like asking the Knights who say Ni about what they think of well, Brave Sir Robin.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Once again you are the one trolling up a BYU article here. You are supposedly a utah "fan" yet you can't seem to move on from BYU. Now when I am over trolling on utah articles I fully expect utah "fans" to call me out and actually enjoy it. You on the otherhand are typical of utah "fans" in that you apparently believe you should be allowed to troll up BYU articles without anyone calling out your laughable BYU hating untruths. If you are going to troll then quit whining about being called out for it. If you are going to post from the position of a BYU hater then prepare to be rebutted.

    I know that you won't take my advice here, you'll continue to think you should be allowed to troll without anyone questioning your motivations but that is a typical utah "fan" thought process.

    LOL!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Seriously, is there anything more amusing than the Utes obsession with all things pertaining to BYU?

    With the AQ to Conferences apparently on their way out, all that is left which is beneficial in joining the Big East, is perhaps better Oct/November scheduling.

    Here is that sloution.

    BYU has a 12 year deal with Boise St.
    BYU and Boise St. play rivalry weekend, period.

    Hawaii and BYU have an 8 year deal, stipulate that this is also a November game.

    Notre Dame can be another traditional November contest.

    Throw in a Houston/Navy/Air Force/Colorado St./Ga. Tech etc. and the late season schduling problems are solved.

    The old MWC tv deal paid each team 1.5 million, per year.
    (BYU makes that per game, right now, with ESPN)

    The Big East is currently paying each member 3.5 million per year, it is anticipated that with the new TV deal each team will make about 9 million per year.

    Now ask yourselves....

    Why would BYU give up 15-20 million per year, their ESPN exposure, their replay abilities and their rights to home games?

    BYU is not demanding anything which they don't now already possess.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    I am so sick of sports. I have been a BYU fan my whole life, but the sports scene has changed soooooooo much that I have almost lost total interest. Unfortunately, I see BYU getting sucked into the "money" aspect of this whole thing and becoming just as "material" and "money-hungry" as everyone else.

    There are more important things in life than sports, i.e. my daughter's marriage which is falling apart, my son who is totally in left field (drugs, alcohol, sex, etc.), the health of my wife, my job, the economy, etc., all of which make sports pale in comparison.

    I wish BYU would drop its sports program once and for all.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    This is a joke and an endictment against BYU's Administration and the Board of Trustees if you ask me... I am so tired of this organization taking advantage of its fan base to satisfy short term gain and their interpretation of what would represent a "brighter future".... How can one possibly think that a future would be better outside of one of the large conferences instead of being part of them...

    I know that ESPN has given us some money.... Big Deal.... It's short term...

    BYU tv will turn out to be a big FLOP if the best we can do is schedule WAC teams... No one wants to watch BYU play Idaho, Idaho State, NM State, Utah State, Weber State or San Jose State... We will end up only being able to attract recruits that can't make it at a true Division I school in one of the big conferences...

    It's almost like the Brethern who are making these decisions don't have a clue... Being inspired on Academic and Religious matters is far different than thinking that you know everything that you need to know about College Athletics. They are killing the future of Athletics for this University.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    @ Bluto | 5:33 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Sandy, UT

    "BYU is not demanding anything which they don't now already possess."

    Really? BCS access without having to go undefeated?

    BYU has $$$$ and an ESPN contract
    BYU does not have BCS access by winning a BCS conference regardless of overall record.

    Therefore, a negotiation.

    Simple.

    Next

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    I think staying indy is fine if we can get a decent schedule. Once concern with all the conference talk is that BYU may have burned some bridges (not saying they did, just concerned about people taking offense at BYU not groveling to get into their conference). If all the conferences essentially say "you cannot schedule BYU in Oct or Nov" then BYU is up a creek. I hope that won't happen...we have some nice schedules a couple of years out, just want to see something tighten up further down the road.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    PlanetBYU has an interesting article on why BYU is taking so long with the Big East...

    To understand why, set the wayback machine to August 2004 and listen to the haunting words of Craig Thompson:

    "This is an ideal college sports match. This [new TV deal] will provide the Mountain West Conference more exposure over a variety of mediums than any other conference. MWC commissioner Craig Thompson boasted at the time. Day-to-day, MWC fans will relish the additional exposures provided to all our championship sports."

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    @Bluto

    "Why would BYU give up 15-20 million per year, their ESPN exposure, their replay abilities and their rights to home games?"

    Are you talking the same replay abilities that you used against San Diego State?

    Holmoe's jumping over dollars to pick up dimes!

    The greedy become the needy.

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • Resolute Voice Deseret, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    The march towards mediocrity and virtually no relevance to anyone important continues. The reality that BYU fans refuse to face is that the ESPN contract is not the same as one that say Texas, or Notre Dame could negotiate. BYU is a small university in Utah with what I am afraid to say an overinflated sense of worth. BYU is not Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, or USC. They are not on that level so they need to stop acting like it. Why play chicken with your future? The reality rapidly approaching BYU is being on the same level as SJSU. 14 or 16 team super conferences means no one (of importance) has to schedule BYU. Naïve BYU fans point to the big names coming to LES, but what they all deny is that those contracts can be cancelled at a moments notice. Oh sure the teams will pay the penalty, but in the end it is one more SJSU, Utah St, or New Mexico St that BYU will have to schedule. The future is not as bright as BYU officials would have anyone believe.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Bluto,

    The only replays I've seen on my dish menu lately are New Mexico St., Idaho, some other team, and Utah St.

    You don't want to give THOSE up? What pride is there in those games? Funny how I haven't seen any replays of teams that BEAT you. I have yet to see the Utah vs. BYU game this year... why is that Mr. Bluto?

    Now ask yourself...

    Why wouldn't BYU want to position themselves up for a BCS bowl game?

    I can guarantee you that you would get more exposure from one night under the lights of any of those BCS bowl games than you would all season long.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    Celebrate good times! BYU is extremely tight with money--who knew? I mentioned this in an earlier story, but BYU is burning a lot of bridges (MWC, Big 12, and Big East...more to come), who is going to want to schedule them? The WAC is going to dissolve. Most of the PAC-12 is going to pass on playing them as they cried about them being anti-LDS. The other big conferences: Big Ten, ACC, and SEC will want two for one games. The other possible teams: C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC, Independents and FCS teams--meh.

    USU will soon be in the MWC, and they won't agree to the 2 for 1. U of U is going to want a 2 for 1, so these games will be going the way of the Do-do soon.

    Doesn't exactly make the church look good, getting to the negotiation table and asking for their own tv deal.

    Keeping turning down invites, and no one is going to want to dance with you, silly! Here's the brand: BYU, the diva of sports.

    Clearly BYU didn't want to go to a BCS conference--which is why they asked for so much.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Aggie fan here.

    Just an outside observation. If rumors are true that the BCS is going to get rid of AQ status for leagues and go with the top 10 teams, then BYU is very smart for not giving in to the requirements of the Big East. I think BYU deserves some credit for thinking long term, not short-term as some have commented.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Veruca Salt: "Hey, Daddy, *I* want an Oompa Loompa! I want you to get me an Oompa Loompa right away!"
    Mr. Salt: "All right, Veruca, all right. I'll get you one before the day is out."
    Veruca Salt: "I want an Oompa Loompa now!"
    Violet Beauregarde: "Can it, you nit!"

    Sound familar - well it should it sounds like everyone that wants great games "NOW" look at the 2013 line up:

    Texas - home
    Hawaii
    Ut State
    Georgia Tech - home
    Houston
    Boise St - home
    Notre Dame
    Utah - home
    Washington State

    It is a gamble staying Indy and maybe it is a bad thing - but just look beyond your immediate needs and stop saying a steady diet of WAC teams because it is not -

    Relax and stop trying to kill the golden goose to get one egg.

    "I would not want to belong to any club that would have me as member" Groucho Marx -

    "I would not want to be a member of any Conference whose next choice is SDSU" JoeBYU

    (yet I still feel like I want in - wierd huh?)

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    "unless BYU decides to relinquish its television rights for its home football games" BYU will not move to the Big East as a football-only member.

    I think this was BYU politely saying "no we do not want to join your very poorly ran conference...But thanks anyways.

    Just my personal opinion

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    BYU just doesn't want to compete for conference championships. Lame.

  • NorCalCougar MODESTO, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    How can the industry source say that BYU has become unreasonable in the negotiations? The Big East came after BYU. BYU can negotiate from a position of strength. Initially, the talk was that the Big East was willing to give BYU whatever they wanted, so that they would join the conference. Now BYU is being blamed for not relinquishing their TV rights? Give me a break! The University didn't build a state of the art TV facility and negotiate an outstanding contract with ESPN, just to get into another conference with some of the same problems as the Mountain West. Stay strong BYU. A few years down the road, this will be seen as the right move. We Are Cougar Nation!

  • wazzup?? Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    As much as I used to love BYU and what it stood for, I no longer care for their hypocrisy with double-standards that prevail across racial lines. Look at who the new recruits are......interesting, no blue chips, no Polynesian strongholds. Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder where they're going? Not to BYU. I predict this is the beginning of the end of the football program. Adios Mendenhall! A good friend told you about that lettuce between your teeth a year ago and you didn't take his advice. Guess what? It's still there. Laters......Holmoe!

    The exodus has begun!

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Has it occurred to any of you fans of either teams that the reason why the independents of today are the independents of today is because of their TV rights? What would Notre Dame likely have to give up if they had joined the Big East in all sports? Why is it that Notre Dame is Big East in all sports but football? Could it not be for the blazing obvious fact that it could and most likely would mean the end of ALL Notre Dame home games being on NBC? I mean seriously folks.... How is what BYU is 'demanding' any less proper or cool than it is for Notre Dame? Would they not boost instantly in national and local following any conference they joined? I hate that greed and pride will be the root of staying independent for it is against all that the church it is a branch of stands for. Yet, it is what it is and so be it! To shun BYU for what they are doing you MUST also do so against Notre Dame.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    It appears more likely that the Big 12 and the PAC 10 never did call on BYU.

    The Big East called on Boise State and BSU wanted a division west of Texas. BSU suggested BYU, so the Big East called. But, BYU acted like they were Texas, so the Big East said, "What about San Diego State?"

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    I love the Ute trolls...they just don't get it..or they do get it and it bothers them to no end. The Cougs are in the drivers seat. BCS restucturing in 2013. Why would you jump to a conference like the Big East? And BYU serving notice that this is not Burger King....You get it my way, or no way at all.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    @ three11stu 3:37pm Nov 22

    The whole point of exposure is for BYU's fans, not for the rest of the college football world. Fans of all other colleges are invited to watch, but not expected to.

    I'm amazed that so many BYU detractors don't get this. It's exposure for BYU's fans. Duh!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    Everyone keep in mind that BYU's independent schedule from 2013 on hasn't been filled out because of the current expansion upheaval. After that settles down this year (and maybe next), BYU's independent schedule will make Ute fans REALLY jealous!

    I've always liked the idea of independence, but would have accepted the Big 12 (all sports, or compensation for Rose in Oct-Nov games with the likes of Kansas), or accepted the Big East (with the same kind of Oct-Nov compensations). BUT, I wouldn't have liked even joining those conferences if BYUtv got the "axe" in the process.

    Exposure is everything, and I believe Holmoe when he said there are plenty of BCS schools out there willing to play us home-and-home to fill out future independent schedules.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    I wouldn't count on a BYU/Utah game in 2013. With USC eligible, Utah may just play Idaho instead for pre-season practice.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Point 2..... It won't always be against WAC teams that the schedule is drawn from. Yes, it likely would continue to be less than top 30 type competition for most of the schedule, but for what conference isn't that the case year in and year out? Yearly Mississippi matches can't be on the top of every Tide fan's christmas wish list. Yearly matches against Furman can't be on the top of every Gator fan's christmas wish list.... Just because you are an AQ school or within an AQ conference doesn't mean that you are all of a sudden top notch competition.... What is Colorado's OCS like? What is USC's out of conference schedule like? Yes, it is nice to be in the pac-12 because of the prestige of many of its institutions. Yet, If you aren't one of the original members or along the coast you are pretty much bottom feeders feasting in times and seasons against teams of prestige.... Just a fact of life. I think there are hundreds of thousands of people across the nation that would rather be in USC dorms than those on the hill or in Tuscon or Pullman.....

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    WJCoug,

    That's a lot of heaviness to drop at the feet of the BYU athletic program.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    Notre Dame of the West needs to act more like Notre Dame:

    "Thank you, but we like being independent."

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Dutchman;
    I don't think the BCS is leaving the BCS bowls to be more fair to other conferences or the help the Big East. In fact, I think it is the opposite. If they do leave the bowls to the bowls themselves, which I don't think they will, then the bowls are not going to let go of their top AQ conferences.

    Rose Bowl - Still AQ for PAC 12 & Big 10
    Fiesta Bowl - still AQ for Big 10
    Sugar Bowl - still AQ for SEC
    Orange Bowl - still AQ for ACC

    So, you see, it's the Big East and Notre Dame that are getting squeezed out of the new BCS possible plan. Don't make a move BYU.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    BCS has unfolded like this since 1998.....

    Records by conference
    ConferenceWinsLossesWinning TeamsLosing Teams
    SEC 7 0Florida (2), LSU (2), Tennessee, Alabama, AuburnNone
    Big 12 2 5Oklahoma, TexasNebraska*, Oklahoma (3), Texas
    ACC 1 2Florida StateFlorida State (2)
    Big East 1 2Miami (FL)*Miami (FL)*, Virginia Tech*
    Big Ten 1 2Ohio StateOhio State (2)
    Pac-12 0 2USCOregon, USC

    This is a system you embrace like it is your best friends girl friend? You want this crap? Well, have you system that has failed.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    The future does NOT look very bright for Independent BYU. BYU fans have illusions of grandeur when they compare the lower tier BYU to the great Notre Dame.

    As a person neither a Utah nor BYU fan, BYU's future looks dismal while Utah future looks bright with its tie in with the Rose Bowl.

    I am also baffled why Utah State would leave the WAC for a less impressive MWC that no longer has Utah, BYU, TCU, or Boise State.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    I'd imagine post-2013 independent schedule would start to include more MWC teams and less WAC. Maybe not the temper-tantrum likes of San Diego St, but some of the other teams will be ready to schedule the stadium-filling football squad from Provo.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    You know I get it about exposure, but consider this; BYU is going to play more and more on ESPN 2 or 3, or be relegated to ESPN U. Sure many people watch those channels to, but then consider the days and time slots BYU is going to likely get.

    Factor in the exposure element as being exposed, when facing good teams. Then look at public interest outside of the BYU fan base. Who is going to respect your exposure when you play Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State ect...? Furthermore, is your fan base going to respect you?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    @gdog

    Listen, you are one of the few semi reasonable Utah fans around here but I really need to call you out on your post.

    1st of all what is the basis for your assertion that "BYU is going to play more and more on ESPN 2 or 3, or be relegated to ESPN U."? Why would that be the case? Certainly BYU will appear on those ESPN networks but frankly being on ESPN 2 is really no different than being on the main ESPN. Everyone has both channels on the basic teir and they are both near the top of the dial.

    2nd of all why the insistence that BYU is going to be playing Idaho, Idaho St, NMSU, etc.? This is obviously not true if you simply look at the schedules beyond next year. Don't fall into the trap the ute trolls on here set. Just go ahead and look at BYU's 2013 schedule. It is excellent with a great mix of home and away games. But even if BYU does have a couple of games each year against those types of schools it will make them no different than utah or any pac12 other school.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    continued to gdog

    Listen all of us like to get our little digs in on the other guys but we can at least be honest about things. You've never once read a post by me saying utah shouldn't have taken the pac12 invite, would be better off in the mwc, etc. Why is that? Because I know they did the right thing in making that move despite the circumstances surrounding it i.e. pac's last choice, gonna be a bottom dweller, etc. Who cares about those things? They're in.

    Well it is no different for BYU. Going independent was the correct thing for them. In my opinion turning down the big east was the right thing as well. Those are honest opinions, not hot air.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    To Brave Sir Robin: Wouldn't you think that the person who reported this might be a little bit biased? Of course the Big East would thnk that BYU is being unreasonable. After all, they want BYU badly, but only on their terms. However, BYU only wants to join on it's terms. Why would they want to give up their TV rights on their home games? The Big East wants BYU badly but may have to settle for SDSU, which is not even close to having the same value to their league as BYU. So of course their going to feel BYU is being unreasonable. They want BYU but BYU doesn't necessarily want the Big East. That, my friend, is the truth of the matter, like it or not!

  • R.Burgundy Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    What took decades for Lavell Edwards to build up has now been blown up by the current BYU Admin in less than 18 months! What a shame.

  • J.Newey Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    I don't care about the Big East as much, what I want to know is what happened to the BIG 12?

  • abejones SCOTT DEPOT, WV
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    2013, 14, but soon. Bring on the new Far West Conference.

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    You guys just don't get it.
    Independence is stupid.
    There is NOTHING to play for.
    No conference championship.
    No BCS game.
    Nothing.

    Anyone that likes this ridiculous Independence thing is drinking blue koolaid.