I don't care about 54-10, or overall SOS, or that Jon Hays is a questionable D-1
Quarterback. I don't care that if the Utes make the PAC-12 Championship Game,
they're likely blowout fodder for the Ducks. I don't care that every other
seemingly capable PAC-12 South team has done everything possible NOT to take the
division. There are a lot of reasons to question the validity of the Utes'
potential run to the PAC-12 Championship game, and I don't care. Ultimately,
it's just been a blast to watch this team regroup during the season and give us
Ute fans something to be excited for in late November. Other than 2004 and 2008,
I can't think of a more entertaining/rewarding Utes' football season.
@Glenn A.I hear you, though I do have to say a few things:1. Hays has improved pretty well. In the second half of the game yesterday, he
had some very nice passes. With a productive offseason, by the time next year
rolls around, I give him pretty competitive chances against an unfortunately
Fragile wynn (seriously, can we put Wynn's football brain into Hays' body?) and
an incoming Travis Wilson.2. If we're given two weeks to prepare, we
could potentially handle the ducks. Their strength is their agility and we're a
quicker and better defense than USC, who managed to shut them down pretty well
by forcing turnovers and controlling the pace.3. As for ASU and UCLA
blowing up recently, remember to give credit to the teams who did it. Arizona,
WSU, etc... are good teams that really have nothing to lose, which makes them
terrifying and dangerous, whereas ASU and UCLA are wilting under the pressure,
despite having so much talent (after the ASU game, I admit I'm a fan of
Osweiller and thinks that he has a potentially bright NFL career, over 450 yds
in yesterday's loss alone).3.
We've got a great coaching staff and great players who showed they can battle
through adversity and make positive things happen.
Well said, Glenn A.
Glenn A. Agreed! I don't think the 2004 or 2008 seasons were this
entertaining at this point in the season. Those seasons we were wrapping up our
undefeated campaigns with 30 point victories over the Y. I would much rather
finish the season up with Oregon in the PAC championship and then a top tier
Glenn,Totally agree brother. 2008 was even more entertaining at this
point in the year, and surprised us by being the greatest football season any
team has ever had in this state. But our Pac 12 membership has turned out to be
pretty fun so far!
What wasn't mentioned is that if Utah loses to Colorado, UCLA is the
representative in the title game regardless of the outcome of any other game.
Arizona State could at best tie with UCLA and UCLA wins the head-to-head. But,
if UCLA loses to USC and then loses to (most likely) Oregon in the title game,
then they would be 6-7 overall and would not be bowl eligible. Could they end
up losing bowl eligibility by playing in the title game?If Utah wins
on Friday, that keeps both Utah and Arizona State alive. Utah will then need an
Arizona State loss that night as Arizona State has both the head-to-head and the
three-way tie breaker. Actually, UCLA loses the three-way if that happens and it
then goes to a 2-way between Utah and Arizona State and ASU comes out on top.This is more fun and intriguing than in the MWC. And the consolation
prize could be a $2 million bowl (Alamo, Holiday, or Sun).
The most amazing thing... there would have been no shot at the rose bowl, or
even a very good bowl for that matter, had utah done the same thing in the MWC
or with an independent schedule. Great move going to the PAC, and
way to finish strong.GO UTES!
As a cougar fan still smarting from that 54-10 embarrassment, I have to admit
that I'm pulling for the Utes to make it to the Pac-12 championship and win, for
a couple reasons: 1. It would be fun to see someone overcome the mathematical
odds. 2. It would highlight the imperfections of the BCS system (yet again) by
placing (yet another) 4-loss team in a big game. Then I hope they get blown out
of the Rose Bowl. ;)
The Utes did GREAT with what they were given this season in regard to obstacles
to over come. They never quiet! the never faltered but always stayed focused.The results was and is what Fall brings to us in the PAC12 college level
Football and showing everyone, that the Utes belong and can play in the Big
Mike Johnson- UCLA would still be bowl eligible in that scenario. They just
need 6 wins.
Utah should be grateful they're in the weaker conference of the PAC 12. Colorado
is not that good.........and neither is Utah!!
I am always pulling for the Utes to do well in the PAC and hope they are able to
pull it off. With the collapse of ASU and UCLA, I think it is likely that the
Utes will end up in the PAC championship game. I also have to say that if that
happens I would expect them to get completely blown out in that game. If they
play against a good team in their bowl game, they could easily end the season
with two blowout losses. It has been fun to watch but they have not been beating
good teams the last few weeks. I would rather see them make a good showing in a
lesser bowl game that see another one like last years Vegas bowl. I almost think
I want ASU to beat CAL this Saturday.
Life is great as a Utah fan:Best case: Utah plays at Oregon for the
Pac-12 Championship.Worst cast: Utah plays Oklahoma in the Alamo
bowl or Texas in the Holiday bowl.Either way Utah will finish 8-4
for their first year in the Pac-12, not bad!Our losses came with USC
having to block a FG to beat us, and the other three losses came when Utah was
breaking in a new QB. I do not play the what if game, I will live with: The best
D in the conference and an overall 8-4 record and a chance to finish the season
either 9-4(Holiday) or 10-4(best case, Rose Bowl). Love our new
"Utah should be grateful they're in the weaker conference of the PAC 12.
Colorado is not that good.........and neither is Utah!! "The
difference is Utah isn't all that bad either, Colorado on the other hand is the
epitome of bad.
Love the title of this article!
Honor Code--The Utes defeated your team 54-10. Your team quit during that game
as did many of your fans. Now the Utes also had a low point of the season. But
they never quit. They never slammed their helmets and hung their chins. Also,
their fans never quit on them. Nobody ran away in masses during the third
quarter of any game as your fans did against Utah. Learn from this, little
brother. Watch and learn.
Honor Code | 8:33 a.m. Nov. 21, 2011 Denver, Colorado "Utah should be grateful they're in the weaker conference of the PAC 12.
Colorado is not that good.........and neither is Utah!!" If
Utah isn't that good, then BYU must be horrible. Enjoy your exciting November
Sorry bgl, but I saw a lot of fans "quit" on Utah during the 4-game
losing streak - including the loss to Washington. The stadium during that game
was 1/2 empty at the start of the 4th quarter. And most of my co-workers who
are Ute fans had thrown them under the bus after loss #3 of the losing streak.
Now that they are winning again, those same fans are coming back out of the
BYU fan, 30 years have passed and playing WAC teams no longer gets you anything.
Go back to the shallow end of the pool. Still 54-10 and you just fumbled
There has been a lot of Crimson colored glasses wearing when mocking BYU's
cobbled together schedule, but before you mock too much about BYU not beating a
team with a winning record, look inside your own program:7 wins:Mont. St (I-AA)BYU (8-3)Pitt (5-5)OSU (3-8)Arizona (3-8)UCLA (6-5)Wazoo (4-7)So, after USC
dispatches with UCLA this weekend, the only thing keeping the Utes from the same
distinction (not beating a team with a winning record) is BYU, whose wins you
discredit as "bye weeks".This may be a magical season for
the Utes - magic in that the magic comes from USC being ineligible for post
season and the rotation being kind enough to allow you to avoid Stanford and
Oregon this season...
With Oregon's second loss; the PAC-12 will be sending only one team to the BCS,
therefore almost ending Utah's chance for the Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl. Makes
it fun to watch all games of the conference this week. Good not to be
Independent.If Utah makes it to the PAC-12 Championship, that will
be the real bowl of the season. Go USC, Go Cal, Go Utah!
hamrdown didn't go to the Washington game. But, I did. The game was sold out
and fans stayed to the end. Are you sure you weren't watching TV during the
second quarter when the band leaves their seats to get ready for half time? Try
going to a game, you will be surprised how fun it is.
I hope you guys know that Honor Code is not a BYU fan. Honor Code is an anti-BYU
troll (look at any of his/her/their comments on a BYU football story) who is
posing as a BYU fan. It's enough to make your head explode.As a BYU
fan, I'm rooting for Utah to play in the Pac-12 championship. What a great
inaugural year in the Pac-12. It had its rough moments but despite that, Utah
has improved rather than imploding. Utah is not a great football team this year
- they are not bad but certainly can't be considered great. BYU is the same -
not bad but certainly not that good. But that is beside the point; the point is
that this is a feasible scenario. Regardless of whether or not the Utes make it
to the championship game, there is still much to be proud about for the season.
Glenn AThe only people that think the Utes are "blowout
fodder" for the Ducks, are Y fans and people who really don't know the
game. It's a great thing even Oregon and Stanford have to go another week
before they know who is in from the north. It has been a "blast",
Utah is in the PAC-12 with a chance to go better games, better bowls and have a
fan base that can really look forward to the following week. The Y
has also had a good year but have nothing to really play for. It was thier
choice, now they have to live with it (Hellicopter Bowl)So sad that there
are just a few jeolus Y fans that have to comment so negatively about the U.
BYU fans just remember what Lee Corso said on ESPN Game Day, and then move on
and support your team don't simply get on here and tell us how bad the Utes are,
they are better than U
I am really getting tired of the Bandwagon Fans, Stadium size garbage!! If you
go to the games you see that people leave early to get on Trax or they want to
beat the rush of fans leaving at the same time. The Jazz, Real Salt Lake, BYU
or UTAH fans all do it. Don't sit here and tell us it's only Utah Bandwagon
fans. The fans can leave when they want or come when they want. This is the
home of the free!!! Get over yourself and stop discounting fans for leaving
early or whenever they leave. Cheer for your teams but remember to be
respectful of your opponents!!!
Newsflash Ute fans: Honor Code is not a BYU fan. Funny how if you
say something even remotely critical of Utah, you must be a Ute-hating BYU fan.
This is why you wait until things play out over the course of a season before
you evaluate teams and write articles and host radio shows asking whether a team
is in over their head. Even Kyle was guilty of this when he said the division
was a "done deal" after the ASU game. I didn't believe the Utes had
much of a chance but I knew they had a "Lloyd Christmas" chance. Which
is why I was suprised that Kyle said that when they were not yet mathematically
eliminated(I'm sick enough to have known that when he made that statement).
Maybe that attitude is what contributed to the poor effort at Cal. Thankfully,
they rectified it afterwards, the momentum has built and the odds have been
beaten to this point with the things out of their control. Just three more
positive results to go and the miracle is complete.
Utah and USC win, AState too, putting the Utes in a lesser bowl. Utah
27-Colorado 10 my predict this week. Chase Hansen is a great high school qb,
but as with Jake Heaps, college is a different game, hope he can make the next
step for the Utes. Go cougars.
Cowboy Dude: It is almost a certainty that the Pac 12 will send 2 teams if
Oregon beats OSU and Standford beats Notre Dame. Stanford is ranked 4th in the
current BCS poll and will likely move ahead of the loser between LSU and
Arkansas. So that would put Stanford (assuming they beat Notre Dame) and the
PAC 12 chamionship game winner into the BCS.
The worst they could do (assuming we beat Colorado) is the Sun Bowl.The
best we could do is Rose Bowl.We'll probably end up playing Texas in the
Holiday Bowl.That is the difference between non qualifier and
belonging to a good conference. Every game counts and the teams are rewarded
heavily for a decent season. At 8-4 in the MWC, we would be playing a crummy
bowl like the Armed Forces Bowl. The Bowl payout for each team in our conference
(including the championship game) is around 3 million whether one makes a bowl
game or not. That's double the MWC receives in total pay out for the season.
This is why being in a BCS conference does for you. Being 8-4 can give you a
chance at the Rose. Life is good.
PAC South? WAC with mud flaps and squirrel tail.
I believe the fan base is maturing at Utah. We are a relatively new,
inexperienced fan base in that most of our success has occurred from McBride
forward. I noticed that our fans travel very well as they are buying
up all the seats made available from the schools. Also, our fans are
not bailing out in groves like the BYU fans do when their team is getting blown
out. I was proud while Washington was handing it to us after 5 turnovers, most
of our fans stuck around. I worked for a company out of Knoxville
for almost five years and was able to see how they do in the SEC. Most fans stay
with the team throughout. It is more than just team pride, it has to do with
where you live, your state, community and the pride you have. When the fans
leave, they shake hands and look forward to the next opportunity. If you win at
least 6 in a good confernece, you have a chance at playing a decent opponent in
a decent bowl.
Had the U come out on top of the USC game things would be looking pretty
"rosy" right now. I think this has been a good year for the U - solid
member of the PAC 12. No problem knocking off Colorado - a terrible team. USC
will destroy UCLA so Cal and Ari St. will be the big game to watch for the U.
Okay, Okay, Okay...I'm a big BYU fan, but I've decided a couple of things.
Playing in a conference is great! It gives lots of meaning to November &
December games. I really wish BYU had a conference to play in and for! You can
knock the Utes a million ways to Sunday, but you can't knock their exciting
conference possibilities. The scenario looks more than possible, but for
California and Arizona State, but far stranger things have happened. Yes, the
win over Washington State was as close to a miracle as I've seen in awhile.
Don't care though, they figured out a way to win! I'll say it... GO UTES!
Especially kudos to John Hays for overcoming his adversity, kicker too after
last game, and the coaching staff for getting the most out of their team and for
the team never giving up on themselves. They've done themselves proud for their
1st yer in the PAC-12.
Remember those dreadful days in the MWC when a single loss meant that all of the
excitement for the season was over? After going to two BCS games it was BCS or
bust. But now the intrigue and excitement lasts all season long.It's a great time to be a Ute!
Fletch1027 -Your comment is so ridiculously skewed and/or
uninformed.Saying Utah's opponents and their not so gaudy records compare
to the not so gaudy of BYU's opponents is plain silly. Have you compared the
schedules of those opponents? Do you think Idaho's schedule comes close to
measuring up against Colorado's schedule that was ranked the most difficult
schedule in the country?Come on, let's get real.
Don't be surprised if Hays comes out strong in a bowl game. He still hasn't had
much time in the Ute system. With 3-4 more weeks of practicing in December as
the number 1 quarterback preparing for only a single opponent, I think you will
see a vastly improved Hays in the bowl.
rj,Even if the BCS folds the Rose Bowl will always be the PAC 12
champ vs the Big 10 champ. No one in their right mind is advocating doing away
with that match up. Actually, some talk right now among BCS pundits is to have
the BCS put together the national championship game only and let all the other
major bowls go back to their traditional matchups. That keeps the Rose Bowl in
the PAC 12 vs Big 10 lineup and it allows for the other big bowls to pick some
at large teams of their choosing which probably means that the PAC 12 gets two
teams into the big bowls most years.PS. I saw something funny while
watching college football in prime time on Saturday night. The ticker at the
bottom of the screen was going through the scores for the various conferences
and when the ticker came to the WAC it mentioned BYU vs New Mexico State and the
score. Anyone in the nation would think that BYU was a member of the WAC. So
much for exposure. LOL
This season has really been the most pationate exciting season of Ute football
in the last 20 years...the intro into PAC 12, the loss of Wynn, the crusher over
BYU, the four losses, and now, a real chance to walk into the Rose Bowl...man, I
love Ute Football! -- Go Utes!
"Utah Utes football: With a win, magic may happen for U."===It's exciting to see Austin Collie quoted on the title of a U article.
good job utes! are you now firm believers that when you live right off of the
field magic can happen?
"With Oregon's second loss; the PAC-12 will be sending only one team to the
BCS, therefore almost ending Utah's chance for the Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl.
Makes it fun to watch all games of the conference this week. Good not to be
Independent."Oregon owns the tie breaker against Stanford so
they will have the PAC North bid unless they lose to OSU, highly unlikely.Stanford has Notre Dame left, if they win they will be get an at large
BCS bid with an 11 and 1 record.If Utah wins Friday, regardless of
what happens with the PAC South they will have the inside edge for the Alamo,
they are riding a 5 game winning streak into the bowl season, while ASU,
Washington and UCLA have all tanked in the second half of the season.
>>>Mike Johnson- UCLA would still be bowl eligible in that scenario.
They just need 6 wins.Ute Fan In Utah, since I posted this, I have
seen some debate about this online, such as on the ESPN website with posters
taking both positions. The rule is very clear, 6 wins are required
with 12 games and 7 with 13 games. There are only two legal ways to have 13
games--conference championship games and the Hawaii rule. I wonder
if a 6-6 UCLA loses the championship game and goes 6-7 if they will be in a
bowl. The only way that happens is if both Utah and UCLA lose. I hope we don't
find out for sure what happens.
Kenneth Massey has computed probabilities of the remaining Pac-12 games as
follows:Colorado 6% at UtahCalifornia 30% at Arizona StateUSC 92% at UCLAOregon State 1% at OregonNotre Dame 15% at
StanfordLa.-Lafayette 16% at ArizonaWashington State 24% at
WashingtonIf so, that gives Utah a 26% chance of being in the title
game, Arizona State a 60% chance (emerging from a 3-way tie), and UCLA a 14%
chance. Utah needs to execute, that is the only thing in our
control. Keep control of the ball, give it to White, and play great defense.
None of this matters if we don't beat Colorado, which despite its record is a
lot better team then the parade seen in LaVell Edwards Stadium of late.
poyman from Oregon;I'm sure everyone in Oregon is rooting for the Buffs.
AZ State looks like an easier game for you.
There is another small problem... the BCS rule in regards to non-AQ teams
(Houston) and how they become automatic qualifiers:B. Such team is ranked
in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS
Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual
automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.hmmmm, the plot thickens...
IdaUte "There is another small problem... the BCS rule in regards to non-AQ
teams (Houston) and how they become automatic qualifiers:" "hmmmm, the
plot thickens..."That's bad news since Houston already beat
UCLA. Any winner in the PAC-12 South could get knocked out. For the
first time in my life I'm going to cheer against a non-AQ team. But, it feels
dirty. Go Tulsa!
From Ted Miller's blog on ESPN:"At 6-7 and losers of the Pac-12
championship game, the Bruins still would require a waiver from the NCAA to play
in a bowl game, one that the NCAA likely wouldn't grant if there were winning
teams not getting bowl invitations."
@Honest Abe"PAC South? WAC with mud flaps and squirrel
tail."Funniest comment of the day! ROFL
I really love being in the PAC-12. It is so nice to have respected opponents
come in week in and week out. I love the fact that the boards
aren't as filled with stupid comments about BYU. The focus on the game shows
more respect for the game and the program.I love the fact that our
season still matters -- we could be playing in the ROSE BOWL in January even
though we didn't have an undefeated season. HOW COOL IS THAT.Major
props to the Coaches. This team was headed for a tough stretch and they were
able to put a game plan in place that maximized the skill the team offered.
Simply amazing.GO UTES!!
Playing big boy football in November challenging for a division title. That's
what it's all about.