I am LDS and a member of the Tea Party where I live. I am for Ron Paul as he is
the only one who understands the Constitution and Liberty. I don't get why so
many LDS are for Romney? Is it just because he is also LDS? That is a ridiculous
reason to be for Romney. He doesn't understand the Constitution or he would not
have said and done some of the things he has said and done. None of the other
candidates are right for us either.
Do you want to beat Obama?
Yes, LDS vote for him 'cause he's LDS. Just like they vote for Hatch. Romney
is nothing but a flip-flopper. He was a liberal to get elected to MA and he
will talk the conservative talk to get elected president. Who knows what he'll
be then? It's anyone's guess. He isn't the one mighty and strong.
Romney was either dishonest in 2002 when he stated his political positions or he
is being dishonest now. Either way, I can't support another dishonest
politician - even if he is LDS. I'd rather vote for Obama (against my political
positions), than vote for someone I believe is dishonest but is claiming to
represent my political positions. I place a higher value on honesty!
I can't wait to see the piece that has the headline:"Conservatives remain wary of Tea Partiers"
In the end, the Tea Party will vote against Obama, even if they have to stomach
voting for Romney. And maybe being seen as at odds with the Tea Party will be a
good thing for trying to get votes from non-Republicans.
I am active LDS and find Mitt Romney to be about as phony as they come. He
reminds me of the old skit by Groucho Marx where he plays a politician speaking
to a constituent and proclaims loudly: "those are my principles and if you
don't like them . . . well, let me give you some other ones." Mitt Romney
will say anything he thinks he needs to say to get a vote. Some would claim
that's just how politicians are. I'd agree to some degree. But Mittens takes it
to a whole 'nother level. And it is very distasteful.Having said
that, the Tea Party is clearly not the answer for this country's needs.
Superficial, self-absorbed, unwilling to step up and put anything of value on
the altar: that's the Tea Party. Prove me wrong Tea Partiers. Identify one
benefit you personally receive from federal, state or local government that you
are willing to give up in the name of deficit reduction. I've made this
challenge many times. Crickets is all I hear in response. I have no respect for
the political judgment or selflessness of anyone who affiliates with the Tea
To say that the Tea Party has a purer understanding of the Constitution of the
United States truly worries me, both as an LDS person and as a citizen. It is
because of the Tea Party mentality that I can no longer vote for any Republican
without a clear indication that the candidate will be more committed to problem
solving than ideology.
It looks like the Tea Partiers have some common sense after all.
Romney was pro choice, pro medical insurance mandates and never served in the
military. Perfect for the long time republican tradition of hypocracy. He's your
@ThinksIThink:If you actually believe Obama is the poster boy for
honesty, then I have a bridge in Tacna Arizona I would like to sell you.
"Mitt Romney can be tea party one minute, and the next minute introduce
Romneycare," the Massachusetts health care plan Romney pushed as
governor.What is the sin against the tea party here? Having
compassion for the sick and injured? Recognizing that the tax payers were paying
for emergency care via Medicaid? The tea partiers have demonstrated clearly that
they will self righteously, ignore and pass by any wounded traveler on the road
to Jericho. Any move to appease this group will definitely lose my vote. They
brag about bringing down any compassionate conservative and may do so again but
who has the most to lose?
I understand the desire to try to keep as many friends at as many points on the
political spectrum as possible. But man, Mitt even makes Cain and Newt look like
straight shooters, which they aren't. It's a little like "What do my people
want to hear today? I need to LEAD them."
You can fairly criticize Romney for flip-flopping, but Gingritch is far worse.
He was all for reforming end-of-life care until Obama proposed it, then he was
one of the first on the "death panels" bandwagon. He
supported the individual mandate for health insurance for many years, again
until Obama proposed it. Then he called it socialism, communism, etc,He said global warming was a serious problem that we needed to address. He
supported cap and trade policies. Again, when Obama proposed it, it became cap
and tax.The list could go on and on.
I don't understand what the big deal is with Romneycare. Yeah, Obamacare was
modeled after it, but the reason we hate Obamacare is because the Federal
Government has no rights given to it in the Constitution to mandate everyone
purchase something. The Federal Government can not make us buy insurance.
However, individual states can mandate. Utah mandates we buy auto insurance, no
one's griping about that. Romneycare is a health care plan in Massachusetts, it
is not a federal plan. Romney signed the bill into law, but the bill was written
by the Dems in the Mass St Leg. Romney opponents are quick to try to nail him
with it, but the major difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that
Romneycare is within constitutional rights, Obamacare is not.
I just don't see how the Tea Party can claim to be the enlightening wing of the
Republican Party, when they go from supporting Bachmann to Perry to Cain to
Gingrich in just a few months. Really guys? Either you are enlightened, or you
are clueless to what presidential candidates stand for and how the elections
work. I'm thinking it's the latter.
To durwood kirby: I didn't say that all Tea Party people understand
the Constitution nor do they all understand what Liberty is truly all about.
They want smaller government and better fiscal policies. It is people that have
joined the Tea Party that have studied it and bring that knowledge to the Tea
Party. We spend one meeting a month trying to teach people in the Tea Party
about the Constitution and some get it and some don't. I could list my reasons
for not liking the other candidates but DN would probably not post my
comments.The time will come when the government of these United
States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the
Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saintsthe
Elders of Israelwill step forward to its rescue and save it............. The
Prophet Joseph SmithThe Elders in the Church can't do this because they
don't understand it.
The Tea Party is the single biggest threat to America today.
@WinglishI totally agree with you. The Tea Party is selfish,
hate-filled, and anti-government, but other than that they are alright.
Politicians unfortunately have to represent their party's agenda almost exactly
to get nominated. When was the last time a pro choice republican became
president? To get elected you can't be in the middle. You either have to be
extreme right or left, but the truth is no one is ever totally right or left,
even if they pretend to be.
@Winglish "The Tea Party is the single biggest threat to America
today." That, or hyperbole.
The tea party is made up of a lot of Evangelical Christians who don't like Mitt
Romney's religion, and in order to avoid looking like religious bigots, they
turn to his politics claiming he's not conservative enough. THERE WILL NEVER
BE ANYONE CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH FOR THE TEA PARTY. And even if there were, we
don't have forever to wait until that person shows up on stage. Our nation
needs help...NOW. The tea party has been on the Perry train, the Cain
train, now they're with Gingrich. Talk about avoiding the obvious.... Mitt
Romney, the one person of all the republican candidates who is actually fit to
be President, and could beat Obama. At the end of the day, it is the
independents who will decide the election, and a lot of them like Mitt Romney.
@ThinksIThinkRonald Reagan was a Democrat at one point...don't
forget it.Is Romney a dishonest flip-flopper? Perhaps,
but no more than any other politician in this race...and Romney is head and
shoulders better than all the rest of them except maybe Ron Paul.
I think there is hope for america yet as people are being more selective and
astute to the history of all these candidates like Romney, Huntsman, and Perry
to name a few, who are anti american, anti labor, anti prosperity, and anti
constitution and pro business profiteering and indentured servitude.Don't understand the correlation of the tea party as republican becasue the
tea party is anyone who believes in integrity, values, honesty, open government,
and our constitution. There are many Democrat's and independents who believe in
the values of the tea party so they are a non partisan idea, they are an
american ideal all of us want from a leader. The Republican party is
a party of socialism, pro Obama-care, pro tax increase, pro government control.
They are a party to suppress individual prosperity and promote socialism, its
ingrained in their souls. Individual prosperity is a democracy with individual
rights to choose who and what they want to be. Republicans don't want prosperity
for individuals who are too independent and intellectual.In my
selection of presidents are Ron Paul or Donald Trump, the only Americans with a
spine and willingness to stomp on Obama.
sounds like Kelly will vote for the lesser of two evils. Ron Paul is the reason
for the tea party and the socialists took it. Obama, Romney, Whats the
difference? Talk is cheap, If anyone thinks there was a diference between Bush
and obama must be asleep.
I think the Tea Party and OWS have everything in common when it comes down to
it. Both groups want to end the fed. Both groups want to limit government, at
least the more rational OWS protestors that I have marched with. Both groups
know our government is the enemy. They enable wallstreet and they take a lot of
bribes from wallstreet. Romney has recieved more wallstreet money
than any other GOP candidate combined. So he is clearly who the evil
establishment wants you to vote for. Lets just forget Ron Paul who's
foreign policy is so "bad" that he has recieved the most military
contributions than any other candidate combined.
Anyone but Obama
The tea party should be wary. I have no clue what Romney really believes in. I
don't think he stands for anything except what the audience in front of him at
the moment seems to want. And looking at the rest of the GOP field,
all I can say is "Go, President Obama!"
"The Tea Party is the single biggest threat to America today."No, Wildcat, Obama is the single biggest threat to America today - along
with the "occupy Wall Street" crowd.
@Winglish and WildcatGet serious. Just because you don't agree
with someone's political point of view, you label them extreme? It wasn't the
Tea Party getting arrested for drugs, rape, and violence in their protests.The Tea Party is the single biggest threat to lazy, free-loading
Help me to understand. Romney graduated from Harvard with degrees in law and
business however according to the tea pary he doesn't understand the
constitution. I am supporting Romney. I could care less what the tea party
thinks. OWS is more popular with the public than the tea party. The tea party
is opposed to everything that has to do with government. Michelle Bachman wants
to dismantle the EPA. Bad Idea. And if you aren't fortunate to have employment
with health insurance, to bad, you must be lacking in personal responsibility.
The Tea Party is a group of middle class Americans blindly following a group of
rich elitists who are using these basically good conservative people to push an
agenda that is really not good for the average member of the Tea Party. Grover
Nordquist is the most dangerous man in America today. The problems that this
country faces cannot and will not be solved until we restructure entitlements
that is a given, but to ignore the restructuring of our tax codes and eliminate
loopholes for the wealthy is equally as important as entitlement reforms. We
must also change our tariff system so that it is no longer profitable for
American businesses to move their production of goods to third world countries
that don't have worker protection and child labor laws. Tax these goods that
come back at a high high rate and make it unprofitable to move companies of our
shores. The solution is a three pronged approach the problem is that the Tea
Party can only see one third of the problem. Get away from Grover Nordquist and
do what is best for the country not what is best for the wealthy.
I like to hear both sides of the news. Sometimes you hear things that don't get
mentioned by the "other guys". One, for instance, is that it has been
confirmed that the Tea Party is comprised of >80% Evangelicals. Do the math,
people.I firmly believe that in order to achieve legitimacy, the
anybody-but-the-Mormon crowd veils themselves behind this group.Do the
Maybe I misunderstand the Tea Party as being anti-big-government, not anti-
government.To RinAZ: Brigham Young was paraphrasing Joseph Smith
re: the near ruin of the Constitution. Brigham Young continues, at that time,
both the elders of the Church and the leaders of other faiths who have done
their homework re: the Constitution will form a council of "wise men",
and THEY will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and THEY will bear
the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.
@teleste Excellent point. Ronald Reagan was an FDR Democrat. He
also raised social security taxes. He also signed amnesty for several million
illegal immigrants. Reagan even once signed a law allowing abortions when he
was Governor of California. (He said he regretted it later.)The
point is that the Tea Party would love to have another Ronald Reagan. He
changed with age. A lot of people do. At this point, Mitt Romney is the best
option the country has. Obama is incompetent (he now has a record and can't run
on hope and change anymore.) None of the other GOP candidates have what it's
going to take to get us out of this mess.
Gov. Christie gave the Republicans, specifically the tea partiers, a
warning-underestimate Obama at your own peril. Between those lines that means
nominate Romney because if you nominate these tea party candidates that spells
I would have more problems with Romney on his abortion stance changes than
Romney Care but to me both are of little consequence. Let me explain.Unless the Supreme Court changes itself the President has little direct
impact. I think Romney would likely nominate a pro-life justice anyway. There
is no concern here.On RomneyCare. Who cares? His
"flip-flop" on the issue is understandable. Can we try ideas in
governance and they don't work? In fact, I'm glad he tried it just in case it
actually worked. Now we know it doesn't. So again it's a non-issue because we
have to analyze what he would actually do as President and it seems like doing
our current health care plan isn't the solution. I trust that he actually
learned from this.One reason I prefer Romney and Huntsman and even
Perry over other candidates quite honestly, is that they have experience as
Chief Executives of a state. This means they understand the realities and
complexities of the office. Any member in Congress can be strident because the
office doesn't require anything else, but in real life compromise and listening
to others is essential to being President.
Like pretty much every politician from any party, they say and do whatever will
get them elected (for which corporation owns them). For Romney in MA, it
resulted in an actually quite good public health care program that is very
nearly the same as that of President Obama. It also resulted in same sex unions,
and other "liberal" (though I would use another term) plans. Now, he
suddenly has become an ultra-conservative. Wake up folks! You are being duped by
one who is the progeny of Wall Street, and has every interest in protecting his
own $millions, as well as those in the upper 1% crust. Balance in government is
needed, but this is NOT the person that is going to make that happen - Mormon or
not. (Oh, by the way, Bush plunged the country into $11 Trillion dollars of
borrowed debt before Obama took office, so quit trashing him on that score.
Unfortunately, Obama has been quite incapable of galvanizing any sort of
recovery plan from the disaster he inherited, and because of Wall Street Banking
maneuvers it has only gotten worse). God help us survive these times!
RinAZWe LDS folk are for Romney for the same reason we are for Harry
Reid, becuase he's a member of the church. Wait! I mean, I didn't mean
that.Seriously, a common sense person would, as the article states, vote
for anybody but Obama, because they feel "he's destroying the
country."Now Romney and Gingrich have both bought in somewhat on the
marxist scam of global warming, a scam to redistribute the wealth of the working
class to the dependent class for a vote and to turn the world to chaos. Which
is what is happening with the Wall Street Protesters.
From the article: "He sprinkles tea party language into his stump
speeches. He's wooed tea party lawmakers and organizers in private meetings. He
has appeared before tea party audiences and offered an economic package with tea
party-friendly elements"I find it interesting (and sadly
humorous)that Teas Partiers don't see he is doing to them the very SAME thing he
had to do to Democrats and others to be elected Governor of Massachusetts.
The skepticism and fear of Romney is similar to that expressed over JFK being a
Catholic. With Kennedy they were worried about the Pope calling him in and
telling him what to do, the perception is the same about Romney and the LDS
church. The perception, whether right or wrong, is that the church would control
the government. Let us all hope that the national media don't pick up on the
facts surrounding the passage of the UTAH CON PACT and the notorious HB116
wherein legislators were called in by the church and told to vote for the
passage of the bill (several have now admitted that is they voted for it) in
spite of the fact that the majority of Utahns are against it. This could cut
Romney off at the knees.
Do you want Obama or Romney? That should be a simple question and if the answer
is Obama, goodby USA.
Tea-party proponents have a couple of items they are very good at in proposing.
However, politics and government, which comes after politics play, require more
items on their radar screen to be an effective government. You elect individuals
and they are then responsible for assisint in the making of laws and carrying
out or overseeing those laws. That is a hard part that even full-time long term
political parties have a problem with. They work for year in a process and our
Constitutional process of Senators with a 6-year term, Representatives with
their 2-year term, and President with 4-year term gives balance that has worked
pretty well for 200 plus years. We can go to the polls and participate in the
legislative and give input for our executive branches in States and National
processes. After living in various countries that have somewhat of a similar
process, the executive office and military provide imbalance, riots and Coup
d'état. Sometimes the legislative branch concedes to the executive,
military and/or both. We have a Supreme Court that gives us the rule of law and
that is a blessing for our country at Thanksgiving time.
Ask yourself this. Do you truly believe any canidate is in it to truly help his
country? If you believe your man is that person, vote for them.P.s.
Have fun finding that person.
The Tea Party wants the U.S. to get its fiscal house in order. They were in
favor of the failed balance budget amendment. Obama wants more gov't control
from "Obamacare" as well as a blank check to spend with no
stipulations. His administration also opposed a balanced budget amendment
because it limits his spending power. He has support from anti-capitalists such
as Michael Moore and George Soros as well as Bill Ayers the un-repentant
terrorist and his "Change Campaign" is strait out of the radical Saul
Alinsky's hand book. Comparing the two I see the latter as the biggest threat
Talk about flip flopping, the tea party flips and flops from candidate to
candidate not unlike a spoiled child running wild in a candy store. If they
can't get over their paranoid bigotry about Mormons and realize that some
compromise is needed, they will surely lose again to the Obama machine. They no
doubt will not see it that way. At this point, nit-picking over
minutia and digging heals in the sand will not ensure a better America. America
needs someone capable of seeing both sides and creating common ground (unlike
our current stubborn congress and obstinate president). The Tea Party though
well intended really can't have it all, as one candidate thinks. They just
don't have the numbers yet. Maybe they can achieve some balance in the VP
candidate. Compromise needs to be in the nominee's vocabulary or we
will be forced to deal with the unthinkable...Obama for four more years!Romney is an excellent candidate, a good man and will defeat Obama.
One thing about the current President, he appears to use the financial process
and healthcare to keep people thinking or worrying about the loss of personal
investment money and their health insurance to work on undermining other issues
that are actually more important, such as diplomacy, national defense,
integrity, concern for others, historical accuracy, elementary education, higher
education, Constitutional issues, and just commonsense issues. Politics isn't
just one issue and our President needs to be a person that has high standards
and not a Hollywood type that is popular today with one group. He has to be
solid in basic beliefs that our country was founded and not changing to the wind
direction that can be easily attacked due to a weak side. Groups are trying to
use these "Debates" and primaries to pick off their top people who
will hopefully be unified in their efforts to lead our country's ideals and our
Founding Father's beliefs and standards into the distant future. Pray for peace
and understanding for each other. After living in Asia, Europe, Central and
South America for almost 10 years, and visiting over two dozen countries, I know
we are blessed in the best country ever.
@ Richie | 1:47 p.m. Nov. 20, 2011, "goodby USA"? Way over the top,
When William Buckley introduced conservative politics to the mainstream
Republican Party, he had to weed out the supporters of the John Birch Society.
There are definitely extreme elements in the tea party today as well. I am not
so sure that the reluctance of the tea party toward Mitt Romney is because of
his politics (which would be even more conservative than Ronald Reagan), but
more because of his religion. Just as the John Birch Society was a bigoted group
of extremists, so are elements of the tea party today.
The other day I looked at the stuff being said about Mitt Romney on the
internet. The bile starts with a few radicals and spreads like a rumor. It
includes charges that he's pro-abortion, pro-same-sex marriage, anti-Boy Scouts,
a big spender and that his promises to help repeal Obamacare are all lies. Of
course, many of religious conservatives would say that he's not a Christian,
because of the concerted effort over recent decades by evangelicals to inculcate
that idea about the LDS faith. In this strange milieu, his high achievements in
education and work as a business consultant and entrepreneur, not to mention his
experience as a governor, are considered black marks in their paranoid
worldview.The tea party was a spontaneous grass roots movement that
included many independents and swing voters, but it is rapidly losing popularity
because of the radicals who now claim to represent it. The movement itself
hasn't produced one Presidential candidate capable of defeating Obama, and is
now engaged in a frantic search for anybody but Romney. I'm really tired of
their reflexive distrust of him, because they refuse to even listen to what he
has to say.
I love to see comments like " (blank) is a threat to America" from the
tea party types. The real threat to America is this group whose core mantra is
they think they can return American government back to the size it was pre 1900.
This completely ignores the world in which we live which is a globally
competitive. We are not competing against the mom and pop shop down the street
anymore, but entire countries like China and India ( and soon Russia and
Brazil). The world is a far different place.This weekend we did an
analysis of the cost of letting the banks fail. For one case studies we looked
at the cost if B of A been allowed to fail. The results were staggering. First
year cost to the TAX PAYER and treasury ran to about 20.8 Billion dollars.
This excludes the over 1 Trillion dollars in FDIC insurance the treasury would
have had to come up with - by law.I am not a Romney support, but he
gets this stuff, so I am not worried if he gets elected. The Tea Party scares
me though, because they don't. We either compete, or get passed.
The Tea Party is calling itself a party but has fragmented roots. Without a
real organization, as a real party that is chartered and set up with a committee
and by-laws and rules, it is not really a party. Some people have been elected
to various offices, usually as Republicans, both in the Senate and House, but
they are basically independents trying to work outside of the National
Republican Party. This allows radicals or even people that are not Tea-Party
people to get in "their system" and say they are part of their system.
Tea-Party people do not have the Democratic Party basic beliefs, they are more
Republican but don't agree with the Party leaders. They need to operate
together with the Republicans and persuade them to change those differences. No
party will have "ALL" the same beliefs but will generally have basic
beliefs you can agree with. It is dangerous in this election, nationally to let
the current Executive win another election. Our national values within and
without are being undermined and eventually the Court will become those values
that are undermined from our Founding Fathers. The Economy isn't the only
sacred value up for Change
I haven't read any of the above posts. All I can say to the T-Party is, if it
is Romney then like it or not you have 3 choices. Vote Romney, vote 3rd party
(which is like voting for Obama), or stay home. McCain was my last choice of
the 5 running in 2008, but I still voted for him. The only important thing in
this election is BEAT OBAMA.