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BYU football: Proximity, tradition, realignment make for intriguing set of matchups with Boise State

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  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    Utah vs. Colorado, byu vs boise. The times are a changing. I could see more of a rivalry with byu and boise than utah and colorado to be honest.

  • timmysfan CITRUS HEIGHTS, CA
    Nov. 16, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    Ah, but you've forgotten about the skiing championships, they're becoming downright nasty.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    Kiss the BYU vs Utah rivalry goodbye. I think that sun is setting.

    Look for BYU's new rivals to be Boise State, Hawaii and Air Force, and MAYBE SMU and Houston.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 16, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    I was at the 2 BYU vs Boise State games. I am not sure the Cougars want to take on the Broncos just yet.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    "Kiss the BYU vs Utah rivalry goodbye."

    BYU will always be Utah's biggest rival.

    "I was at the 2 BYU vs Boise State games."

    Then you obviously didn't stay to the end of the 2004 game where Boise State barely avoided defeat when the one of the worst BYU teams since the 60's missed a chip shot FG attempt to preserve the win for Boise State.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 16, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    I would love to see BYU & Boise play every year. The only problem is, I wouldn't know who to root for! I've always been a fan of BYU, but I've had a blast watching Boise's rise as well.

    It should be fun!

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    I am sorry, but BYU and Boise have shown what they can do against decent competition--- and it's not all that much to talk about. Funny the Big East will be competing against the MWC for a BCS bid and I think the MCW/CUSA will win out. BYU has dug their own grave by ruining two conferences (WAC/MWC)--(for thier own selfishness) and now they are weighing options? BYU football is the thing of the past, no matter which direction they take.!.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    BYU is used to getting clobbered by their "rival" every two years or so, so playing BOise State should fit right in.

    At least when you watch this game you will have a chance to see competent and precision football. Should be fun.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    mightymite,

    The new look Big East will be in the following major markets:

    Dallas
    Houston
    Salt Lake/Provo
    New York
    Hartford
    Tampa/St. Petersburg
    Denver/Colorado Springs
    Orlando
    Louisville
    Cincinnati

    Do you realize that those are major markets that will bring in a ton of $$$? The Big East will be able to be viewed at all times across the country... From NY to Boise. People on the west and east coast can catch a Big East football game at a great time.
    AFA and BYU have large national followings as well, and everyone knows and likes watching BSU. Stop telling yourself that the MWC/C-USA will get it...

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    @ mightymite

    The MWC is left with Nevada Reno and Sand Diego State. Do you honestyly think they will get AQ status? When they play the likes of UNLV, New Mexico and Wyoming?

    Life certainly must be interesting when viewed through those crimson-colored lenses, coke-bottle thick!

  • Kankles Miami, Florida
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    If BYU joins the Big East good luck to them. Making it to a BCS game will still require that they win their games.

    Good luck with that too.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    Who knows what BYU will do, but I think it'd be silly to not play independence out a little longer and see how it goes. They've got 7+ years remaining on the current ESPN deal, no rush to go anywhere.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    I'd also say:

    --Rivalry with Utah needs to just go away. All it does is stir up feelings in the state, the country doesn't care at all about it.

    --I'm not sure the BigEast is the right way to get AQ status since its own status will be reevaluated in a couple of years.

    Maybe BYU should join the BigEast and then immediately announce they'll go independent after the 27 month waiting period the BigEast would enforce. By then the BigEast might be lacking AQ status...

    But seriously, would the BCS drop a conference like the BigEast? It'd seem that would just add a lot of fuel to the already hot and contentious AQ vs non-AQ fire. Not sure adding more high power enemies would help the BCS at all.

    If BYU joins the BigEast they'll probably just marginalize their brand again, like the MWC did to the school.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 5:55 a.m.

    wow mightymite, you think very highly of byu´s power over the conferences they are in. Not sure how you think byu ruined wac or the mwc.
    What ruined the wac was the expansion to a superconference of 16 teams which was a disaster because there was no real powerhouse in football other than byu.

    and the mwc? no one in the conference liked or respected byu, but it was Utah leaving for the pac 12 that set tcu to looking elsewhere even after BSU announced they were joining. And once tcu left, that was when the mwc was destroyed. It could have kept itself ahead of the big least with tcu and bsu, even if byu ended up in the big east.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Nov. 17, 2011 6:00 a.m.

    "besides the fact the Cougars are led by a coach named Bronco and BSU's nickname is the Broncos." Are we writing for grade school kids here?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 17, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    When was BYU invited to the Big-East? I've only heard that reported by the media from inside sources. There has been no offcial invitation. Until something comes from the Big-East, BYU should just enjoy the indy ride and people should stop hyperventalating.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 17, 2011 6:17 a.m.

    @mightymite
    "BYU has dug their own grave by ruining two conferences (WAC/MWC)"

    Please expound on your statement. How did they ruin two conferences? The decision to leave the bloated WAC and form the MWC was a joint decision between many schools. And who was the first team to leave the MWC, the Utes or Cougs? Had the Utes not left, BYU would have stayed. And with Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, and AFA; the probability is pretty good that they would have gotten AQ status.

    If you want to blame anyone for ruining the MWC, you need to look to the Utes.

    And for anyone who thinks that MWC and Conf USA have a shot at AQ status without Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, Houston, SMU, UCF - you're missing the boat. The Big East is trying to pick off the best teams in both conferences to retain their AQ status.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 17, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    I would love a new rivalry. Utah is so over the top, their fans can't even wake up in the morning without thinking how much they hate BYU. We need a rivalry with a fan base that loves their own team just because, not because they hate another team so bad.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    @mightymite and others of your ilk:

    Define "ruined 2 conferences with their selfishness". The WAC had a weird alignment of goofy teams, the MWC had a ridiculous TV contract. You have it backwards. Besides, what inside view do you have of board discussions that backs up your claim. Can you produce a single e-mail or meeting transcript? No. You are just going off assumptions. Why do you automatically assume the worst?

    Utah, BSU, TCU, WVU, Colorado and dozens of schools are moving around to find an alignment that makes sense for them. BYU is actually being less opportunistic than most (less than my preference). In my view they are not being selfish enough.

    BSU is a great program, more successful and ambitious than BYU's in many ways. I like the idea of a rivalry and even more the idea of being in a conference eg. Big East. I'd like to see them eventually go full on in basketball and other sports. Big TV markets, better exposure, helps build the program.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    I like the rivalry that will form with Boise State....they are an awesome program and it will be fun to watch... The Utes and Colorado? I don't think the people in Boulder care much for Utah but I hope they enjoy their "new" rivalry as well. Colorado football is a big yawn.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    BYU will always be Utah's biggest rival, but Utah will not be BYU's. I vote we say good bye to the little school on the hill. There always seems to be a whine in the air up there.

  • cork Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    Enough with those things up on the hill. Good riddance, regardless which way the score goes. But to think that Boise will fill that gap is delusional. Once Moore leaves they will go back to being a second/third rate team. To stay where they are they will have to be unworldly lucky to find the guys who can keep them winning. And their coach Peterson, how long do you think he will stay if he manages to win a bit more? He leaves too, and you can put a fork in them.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    One thing's for sure; wherever BYU ends up in the next few years they will still be relevant in the college football world, unlike the last team from the State of Utah that switched conferences.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    @3grandslams | 6:18 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Iowa City, IA

    You're right the Y should go find another rival. We can't really consider Utah and BYU a rival anymore anyway. Utah has dominated the history of this rivalry so badly it's hard to still call it a rivalry.

    Although I'm not sure Boise St. would be the best choice either. Yes they loose Kellen Moore but I'm not sure the Y can compete with them either. I think Idaho or Idaho St. would make a better rival for the Y a team they can actually compete with.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    mightymite;
    BYU was the big brother for many years in the WAC and the MWC. That is something u and your kind will have to come to grips with at some point in your life. As long as you continue to act(post) like they are still the big brother, in your mind they always will be. Move on and get rid of your inferiority complex. It will go away if you let it.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    @mightymite:
    "I am sorry, but BYU and Boise have shown what they can do against decent competition--- and it's not all that much to talk about."
    What do you call "decent competition"? Let's see, what did both of those teams do to Oklahoma the last time they played? Would you say that Oklahoma is a decent team? What is BYU's record against OU? Look what BSU has done the last several years.

    I think you are just afraid that BYU and BSU will "outshine" the u in football in a AQ conference. Try to get your digs in now, because u are bound for the cellar of the pac 12. You know it and so do all the u fans, except those who live in a dream world. You just dream about things that BYU has already accomplished. Good luck with that little brother, it just ain't gonna happen! LOL!

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Nice, smart, these two regional giants will be an awesome rivalry ! I have plenty of friends in Boise and extended family in Idaho so this will be fun.

    The media attention this will bring to the mountain states will be tremendous.

    With Utah in the PAC 12 and this BYU Boise State deal the national attention will be a hot spot light to show case the quality of football here in the mountain time zone.

    To the future and its promise.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    One comment;

    Its on your Coaches T shirt.

    Band of Lil Brothers.

    Alway has been, always will be.

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Well, theres one guaranteed mark in the L column for the Cougs each season.

  • Freight Train Houston, TX
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Boise State is a well-coached, perennial top 15 team. The cougs are going to have their hands full the next 12 years! It'll be fun to watch, but we've got a long way to go before we're competing with Boise each year.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    How about Notre Dame? I think that could be a big rivalry for BYU even more so than Boise State and it will definitely get better TV ratings. If BYU joins Big East, Notre Dame may extend that series with BYU since they play a lot of Big East teams anyways.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    BleedRed

    "Its on your Coaches T shirt. Band of Lil Brothers"

    .....that just proves you can't read and that you only see what you want to see.

    Next time you are watching a BYU game, like you always do, actually take the time to read the shirt.

    If we are the little brothers, why are you posting on a BYU article?

    You actions speak louder than words.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    So BYU has a new rival?

    BYU's previous rivalry ended when their QB took the post-game podium and expressed his hatred for Utah.

    Since that night Utah has beaten BYU twice and joined one of the most powerful conferences in the nation.

    Makes me wonder how long it be before a BYU quarterback takes the post-game podium and proclaims his hatred his new rival.

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    @mightymite,
    No body forced Utah to leave the WAC. Utah left the WAC at the same time BYU did, and Utah left the MWC before BYU did. Utah went for the money, not BYU. As far as the Big East retaining its AQ status is concerned, with the heat the US Congress is placing on the BCS right now, do you really think the BCS will drop the Big East AQ status with Air Force and Navy in the conference? Think about it!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    BleedRed

    BYU embraces the challenge of playing Boise State every year, unlike U, who ran from the challenge by cancelling this year's game with Boise State, so you could play Montana State.

    BYU's "new rival" = one of the best teams in college football for the past decade

    Utah's "new rival" = one of the worst teams in college football for the past decade

    Thanks for stopping by little brother.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Certainly part of the consideration amongst BYU sports admin is trying to determine how strong the current Big East AQ status is in the BCS. The Big East has easily been the weekest of AQ conferences (I'd actually put last year's MWC ahead of the Big East from top to bottom). As much as I want BYU to join the Big East- Western Div., that's only IF the AQ status is retained. An indepth follow-up article by the DN on the BCS status of this conference would be very helpful and informative for the readers. If the Big East's grasp on the BCS is not secure, I say keep BYU as an independent.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Interesting to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the hill. This considering the most recent drubbing the Broncos gave the Utes last year. Not to mention the beat down the basetball team gave the Utes last night. The Bronocs would like nothing more than to get another bowl beat down over the mighty Pac 12 utes in the Vegas bowl!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    This would probably help the BYU-Utah rivalry stay alive. The game becomes in inter-sectional BCS vs BCS game (even if the BE is worse than the Pac). Utah won't try to make silly demands like 2-for-1 home games. BYU won't try to force them to play in November (though I wish all parties involved would allow it, the early season game just felt wrong this year, and not just because we got crushed).

    And if BYU goes to the BE, I understand their main sports would stay in the WCC, but they need to make part of the deal include non-conference BE basketball games, 2 home and 2 away each year. Would help SOS and give a chance for impressing the selection committee.

  • axle Riverton, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    I would like to see USU get an invite and see what kind of team they could become with some BCS love coming into the program. I have a hard time believing that the latest Big East plan will work though. Collect a bunch of decent teams across the country and try and create a conference. Conferences were meant to be regional, not national. Spin doctors will tell you how great this will be and to look at the size of the television markets and what-not, but how big of a following do those teams have in those markets? How many TV's are tuned into Houston on Saturday? Most are probably tuned into watching UT instead or bypass Saturday to watch the Cowboys on Sunday. The WAC tried the same marketing ploy when they went to 16 teams and it failed miserably. With BCS money behind it it might last a little longer.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    I stated last summer when Utah and BYU parted ways that the "rivalry" game would die. People just laughed at me and said it would never happen. I still believe that the "rivalry" is dead and I can't be happier. I think the two fan bases have gone beyond civil. If both BYU and Utah can find new rivals that remember what football is all about and create a great football atmosphere then I wish them both the best.

    As for Boise St, has anybody looked at them and what they will look like going forward? They have 15 seniors starting this year - including Kellen Moore. I think Boise will continue to build and be strong but I expect a dropoff next year. Will this help BYU vs Boise? Probably. What about Utah vs Colorado? I don't see the Buffs getting stronger so I don't expect this to be much of a rivalry. Only time will tell for both teams as they have parted ways.

  • Fubecao Bellevue, WA
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    Even if the Big East retains its AQ status after BYU joins (not a sure thing), going to a BCS bowl isn't the be-all-end-all of college football. Do you respect UConn more for winning the Big East last year and getting thumped in the Fiesta Bowl? Of course not - you complained that an 8-4 unranked team was even there. Plus, they lost a lot of money on that bowl game. AQ status actually HURT UConn both from a PR perspective and a financial perspective.

    So someone please explain to me why AQ status is better than independence, where we can play a variety of interesting teams along with regular series against the likes of Boise State, Notre Dame, Hawaii, and hopefully Utah.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    @JustintimeY | 9:11 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Boise, Id
    "Interesting to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the hill. This considering the most recent drubbing the Broncos gave the Utes last year. Not to mention the beat down the basetball team gave the Utes last night. The Bronocs would like nothing more than to get another bowl beat down over the mighty Pac 12 utes in the Vegas bowl!"

    We would love to see you in vegas again, problem is you won't be there. TCU will be there or did you forget Boise lost on Saturday? Enjoy the poinsettia bowl.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    "BYU's "new rival" = one of the best teams in college football for the past decade

    Utah's "new rival" = one of the worst teams in college football for the past decade

    Thanks for stopping by little brother."

    Uh... funny how you opt to only look at recent years... Colorado won the 1990 National Title (and not against a 6-5 team in the Holiday Bowl!), and has played in the Big 12 Title Game as recently as 2004 and 2005! I'd say you have a nice "selective memory" you're working from. Colorado is a good program and will be back.

    Also, per CBS Sports... current players in the NFL - Utah 22; Colorado 15; BYU 15; Boise State 14.

    Personally I'm glad to see the two local teams switch rivalries so to speak, I'm sick of how ridiculous fans of both teams talk and treat each other... why not just be happy that the quality of college football is so much better now in the region than it was 20-30 years ago.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    "Interesting to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the hill."

    Kind of like the trash talk from BYU fans despite the 54-10 beatdown a few weeks ago...

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    @ Uteanymous 10:44pm

    Post script to the 2004 BYU game @ Boise:
    In 2003 BSU hammered BYU 50-12 @ Provo. The 2004 game was the Cougars chance for redemption, with the Broncos starting a new QB that year. The last second BYU FG attempt (missed) was set up by a very questionable BSU pass interference call. As a BSU fan, I can empathize with the pain felt by missed FG attempts in game winning/losing situations. With ties to both schools I'm looking forward to the future Broncos-Cougars series!

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    You don't have to post my comments D-News, your editors I found out long ago are biased as to what they allow for posting but I know in my mind what the truths are. Live your fantasy Y & U successes even if they are miserable as will their basketball programs be this year and decline posting anything remotely close to telling the truth in favor of blowing the bugle of the two schools all of you just rave about! Go for the big bucks all of you, apparently thats what motivates and fuels your engines!

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    And BYU and Utah could face-off in a future December or January bowl game...that would be something!

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Boise State and BYU makes a lot of sense. Anybody that thinks a conference that has Nevada as their strongest team would take away AQ status from a new Big East with Boise State, BYU, Air Force is kidding themselves. Remember the Big East wants the best of Conference USA too.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Re: So. Cal Reader

    There's no exact formula for getting AQ status. Every four years the BCS reevaluates the conferences and uses things like win/loss records for each conference member, collective BCS rankings during those four years, etc, to determine who gets AQ. So far an AQ has always been awarded to the top-6 conferences. There was talk that the MWC could eclipse the Big East in that formula and therefore take over their AQ but there was never a guarantee of that anyway since the BCS could just decide to have 5 AQ's instead of 6. Now that the MWC has been and continues to be decimated, that scenario is off the table. Another reason why the Big East's AQ status has been a little tenuous is because they don't have a contractual tie-in to any of the 4 BCS bowls. The Pac-12 and Big 10 have the Rose Bowl. The Big XII has the Fiesta. The SEC has the Sugar and the ACC has the Orange. That's why those five are probably never in danger of losing AQ status.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    I'm excited about the 12-game series between BYU and Boise State. I hope the contract calls for disallowing the Broncos to wear blue uniforms for the home games!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    Re: Mike W,

    How ironic that in the same breath you laud Colorado for their 1990 championship and you diparage BYU for their's in 1984. Do you know what the glaringly obvious difference is between those two championships? BYU's was a unanimous or consensus national championship. Colorado's was not! They split their's with Georgia Tech that year! How funny that Ute fans absolutely refuse to recognize any validity in 1984 but somehow recognize a more debatable one involving their new rival!

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    UtahBronco

    A little more perspective on BYU-BSU.

    The 2003 BYU(4-8) team that lost to #16/#17 BSU(13-1) 50-12 was BYU's worst team since 1968.

    The 2004 BYU(5-7) team that lost to #12/#13 BSU(11-1) 27-28 came within a missed FG of beating the Broncos on the smurf turf.

    I attended the 2003 game and watched the 2004 game on television. The "questionable" PI call at the end was only questionable in the eyes of Broncos fans.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Mike W

    "Colorado won the 1990 National Title..."

    Correction, Colorado SHARED the 1990 title, after winning a regular season game on that famous 5th-down play, one of the most controversial calls ever made in college football. In today's world of instant replay, the Buffaloes would have lost the game and any chance for a national title.

    Colorado's football program resembles Utah's basketball program, teams that used to be good a long time ago, but teams that are now consistent conference bottom dwellers.

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    Jeff:

    Before Boise State can join the Big East, they need to find a conference for their non-football teams. The MWC Conference won't take them if the football team leaves. Boise has already burned the bridge with the WAC. Who will accept Boise State's non-football teams, the Big Sky Conference?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    Re: scenic view

    Also ironic that last week's TCU loss for BSU came on a missed field goal which they were fortunate to even have after a very questionable pass interference call!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I still lean towards independence, at least until the AQ questions get resolved. But I'd be for joining the BE in a heartbeat if it meant never having to play the regional school on the hill with their hateful, delusional fan base ever again.

    Why do the trees in Utah county all lean North?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Ironman,

    There have been reports out there that BSU has contacted the Big West for their other sports, which looks like a pretty good fit considering BSU's other athletic programs are no where near competitive to be in a top-tier conference and the Big West does not have football, just like the WCC.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    I still prefer independence, but if joining the BE meant that it'd kill the BYU/UU "rivalry" I'm all the way on board. Good riddance.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    hamrdown

    "I stated last summer when Utah and BYU parted ways that the "rivalry" game would die. People just laughed at me and said it would never happen."

    They're still laughing at you.

    As the 100+ comments from Utah trolls on the article about BYU being invited to the Big East attests, the BYU-Utah rivalry is far from dead. As long as BYU and Utah are in the same state, the rivalry will never die.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    Boise would blow BYU away right now. BYU not on the same level as Boise talent wise.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    If Utah can beat BYU 54-10, Just imagine what Boise will do to them.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Most BYU fans realize that BSU has raised their program to another level of competition and will pose a real challenge. What is also obvious to BYU fans is that Utah fans are totally delusional about their own status compared to the same Bronco program. The same BSU team that dominated Utah last year in the Vegas bowl. The same Utah program that is 0-3 against the Broncos.
    Utah 3-26 BSU 2010
    Utah 3-36 BSU 2006
    Utah 20-26 BSU 1999

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    patriot

    Boise would also blow Utah away right now (see Las Vegas Bowl 2010). Utah is also not on the same level talent wise as Boise.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    President Joker

    Transitive scores are meaningless.

    Would Utah beat Texas by 43 points if the Utes were playing at Texas this week?

    BYU beat OSU on the road 38-28 (10 point difference)
    Utah beat OSU at home 27-8 (19 point difference)

    Sagarin Ratings
    #34 Utah
    #53 BYU

    The vast disparity between BYU and Utah only exists in the crimson-colored world of Utedom. 54-10 was more the result of 7 BYU turnovers, than any significance difference between the two teams.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    For decades, the Utah-BYU game was played the Saturday before Thanksgiving, that would be this weekend. I sure miss the traditional rivalries. Far-flung conference opponents can never replace what we had.

    The BCS money-grab is destroying what has made college football so great.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Re: giantfan

    Actually I'd say the BIGGEST difference between the 1984 Cougars and 1990 Buffaloes is that Colorado played 7 ranked opponents that year (going 5-1-1), the '84 Cougars played one! And that one ranked opponent turned out to be a total flop by year's end. Based on 1984 Cougar logic, Houston should be atop the polls right now! You have to factor strength of schedule... farces like 1984 BYU (a very good but hardly great team) are the reason why the BCS is a GOOD thing... it weeds out teams like 2007 Hawaii, or it is at least a better thing than the system we had before until we get a legit playoff.

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    @2BCSWINS
    that is almost as funny as anything chis b has said. i still cant stop laughing

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    This is great! Long term commitments from Boise St., Texax, Nortre Dame, Georgia Tech, Hawaii, Houston, West Virginia. This indy thing keeps getting better and better!

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Re: Fubecao "So someone please explain to me why AQ status is better than independence." I'd say how about the $12-$14Million pay-out to each school/respective conference. I agree with what you said about the lackluster effort of the Big East & UConn-- including the woeful showing by Pitt against Utah in 2005. But, for now, BCS is where the big bucks are. If UConn lost money, it's because they don't travel well and don't have a strong national fan base-- unlike the Cougs. I am positive BYU would gobble up any/all tickets and then some to a BCS Bowl. The reality is I don't see a BCS bowl happening any time soon if BYU stays independent. Their schedule simply isn't strong enough to garner nat'l BCS votes/respect as a non-qualifier. I love my Cougs. Just offering my humble opinion.

    Re: giantfan-- Thanks for the explanation of the conf. formula. I was aware of that, just not to the detail you shared.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Re: Mike W

    At the end of the day your argument, and that of most Utah fans, just ends up sounding petty and jealous. If what you're saying was so clear cut and easy to recognize, then why didn't all the sports journalists and coaches and national pundits in 1984 not recognize it? That BYU team was very good but 1983 was probably better and unfortunately, even today, college football awards its national champion based on what you do during the current year along with the previous year. If you're not ranked in the pre-season top-10 you have very little chance of winning a national championship. BYU was on a 23 game winning streak and the nation recognized that. The idea that their championship was so glaringly undeserved does not hold up simply because the majority of those that have a vote didn't see it that way.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Mike W

    Sorry to burst your crimson-shaded bubble, but the BIGGEST difference between the 1984 Cougars and the 1990 Buffaloes is BYU was the 1984 concensus national champion as selected by all five major selecting organizations.

    Colorado doesn't have one of those beautiful $30,000 Crystal Football trophies in their trophy case because Georgia Tech finished 1st in the Coaches poll in 1990.

    As much as blind BYU haters would like to pretend they weren't, ALL of the factors cited ad nauseum by the haters were evaluated by the poll voters for over a month -- SOS, W/L records, bowl opponents, etc., etc. -- and when it came time for the final analysis, the majority of voters still felt that BYU deserved to be named national champion over all of the other contenders.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Mike W. said,

    "Based on 1984 Cougar logic, Houston should be atop the polls right now! You have to factor strength of schedule."

    Why should Houston be #1 right now? Are they the only undefeated team in the country? What about LSU and Oklahoma State? I agree those two teams definitely deserve to be ranked #1 over Houston because of their SOS. But if the Cougars are the only undefeated team left at the end of the year, they at least deserve a shot to prove that they are or are not the best team in college football. Certainly Utah fans can appreciate that after all the crying and whaling after 2008. Or has your new status in the Pac-12 now made you one of the snobby elitists that you used to despise so much?

    In my opinion, the results of 1984, 1990, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004, 2008, and pretty much every other year of college football are proof that we should have a playoff to determine who the best team in college footabll is. Too bad if our former allies in this on the Hill for some reason now think differently.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Today marks the 27th anniversary of November 17, 1984, the day #3-ranked BYU came to RES and defeated Utah 24-14, extending BYU's winning streak to 22 straight games and propelling BYU to #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls the following week.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Uteanymous,

    "As much as blind BYU haters would like to pretend they weren't, ALL of the factors cited ad nauseum by the haters were evaluated by the poll voters for over a month -- SOS, W/L records, bowl opponents, etc., etc. -- and when it came time for the final analysis, the majority of voters still felt that BYU deserved to be named national champion over all of the other contenders."

    You've hit on a point that Ute fans cannot comprehend: BYU played an unranked 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl on Dec. 21 and barely pulled it out. All of those things should've been negatives for BYU in the eyes of the pollsters. The New Year's Day bowls were much more fresh in their minds and if BYU was nothing more than an also-ran in the eyes of the majority of America, then it wouldv'e been much more logical to vote for Florida or Washington or Nebraska instead of BYU. And even with all that going against them, they still voted BYU the consensus champ.

    Reminds me of all the Jimmer naysayers last year that said he'd never win the POY. And yet it was unanimous!

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    I think it will be a great rivalry. I too would have troubles on who to root for. I would have to say the Cougs, but will never be dissappointed. I hope the rivalry with Utah continues, but would love to see one with Boise State as well.

    My only issue is BSU will work over BYU right now. BYU needs to improve to hang with the Broncos.

    Last weekend, the Broncos and Sun Devils lost and BYU beat Idaho. Whoopee. My football weekend was miserable.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    Sagarin Ratings
    #34 Utah
    #53 BYU

    That's actually a fairly wide disparity and the scoreboard tells us that there was quite a large disparity as well. Even Bronco said so after the game:

    "We were outcoached, outplayed and basically outexecuted," BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall said.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Uteanymous | 1:12 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    I couldn't agree more. We have beaten ourselves in every loss this year including the 54-10 game.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    scenic view

    Do you mean to count 2003 & 2004 vs BSU as "moral victories" for the Cougars? Scoreboard (x2).

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    Sounds like a great matchup. Doubt that any of those are November games, the MWC or Big lEast won't have any non-conference games in November like the PAC-12 has stipulated.
    Glad to be playing better teams in the future. Waiting for the Home and Home with Navy, Army, Notre Dame in November with a Hawaii in November or December thrown in just for fun. When we have that schedule then the will finally have something worthwhile as an independent.
    Already tired of the supposed patsies on this years schedule. Nothing to be gained by playing them. Nothing proven when you win, even if it is by 40 or more. I would rather have a 6-6 season with quality wins and loses than a 10-2 season with wins over nearly everyone that is still in the WAC and MWC.
    Hope we don't give up on the Independent path too soon, still see lots of positives to that arrangement.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    Man we need a much better rival than Utah. The big EAst will dominate with us and boise's State.

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    @blue coug

    Those days are long gone. Utah, 7 out of last 10.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    It's a marriage made in heaven. The fans of both schools are a perfect match.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    @Uteanymous
    "54-10 was more the result of 7 BYU turnovers, than any significance difference between the two teams. "

    Well in that case Utah's just a ton of Hays turnovers and a blocked field goal attempt from being undefeated. Turnovers oftentimes means someone forced the turnover (obviously some of the 7 were presents but still defenses of Utah and Washington/ArizonaSt/Cal should get a lot of credit for 5+ turnover games).

    I do agree that Utah is not lightyears ahead of BYU. If they played again today I could see BYU winning (we don't have Wynn this time which makes it close to 50-50 chances as far as I'm concerned).

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    For crying out loud Dnews, my sensored comment was hilarious.

    Utes are showing up in my rearview mirror as this Big East thing gains momentum.

    We all know that several Ute fans and/or BYU agitators will no longer have a purpose in life if this rivalry ends and the click rate will drop to nothing as well.

    A non-profit organization to 'save the rivalry' and clicking trolls is a good thing.

    The comment about 'occupying' something is just a twist on current events.

    Geesh, get a grip.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    I guess, since they have played 2 games before, and they are in neighboring states they could be made "rivals."

    Sorry. Sounds forced.

    =====
    JustintimeY | 12:50 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Boise, Id
    "The same BSU team that dominated Utah last year in the Vegas bowl. The same Utah program that is 0-3 against the Broncos.
    Utah 3-26 BSU 2010
    Utah 3-36 BSU 2006
    Utah 20-26 BSU 1999"

    Utah is 2-5 against Boise State all-time in football.
    =====

    While I would like to see the BYU-Utah rivalry continue as so many of the game are so highly entertaining, I can see why folks on either side would want to shed that game.

    Some BYU fans would like to say "good riddance" to the arrogant, delusional fanbase on the hill, while many Ute fans would like to leave the team down south in the rear-view mirror because of their arrogant, delusional fan base.

    Apparently Boise State and Colorado are devoid of such fans.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    @ Ernest T. Bass

    "Man we need a much better rival than Utah. The big EAst will dominate with us and boise's State".

    You mean Boise State will dominate the Big East. BYU is incapable of beating anyone good and will probably be mediocre. If you are already claiming Boise State will be a better rival than Utah then enjoy a good beatdown similar to 54-10 by the Broncos every year.

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Things change, but BYU would get their head handed to them in series with BSU, and I'm a BYU fan. Just sayin.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson,

    Newsflash: Ernest T. Bass is not a BYU fan. You've been around long enough, you knew that, right? Another one falls for the troll...

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    Interesting perspective how both Utah and BYU are now trying to compare themselves to Boise State. BSU has quietly been putting together a solid program by doing it on the field and not at the microphone. Maybe there is a message in this one. Also, what does it say about Utah's basketball program as Boise State handed them an 80-59 whooping this last week. Another one of those quiet programs that do their talking on the court. With that said, I am excited for Utah and the possibilities that playing in the Pac12 will bring to their athletic programs. The jury is still out regarding a once strong BYU football program and the rest of the athletic department at this point. Independence is not what BYU thought it would bring. This was not well planned. There is alot of talk about how this looks like the slow demise of athletics at BYU. It happened at BYU-Idaho as they were once considered a very strong athletic program for junior colleges. Now it is club play.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Swoop | 9:07 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    BleedRed

    BYU embraces the challenge of playing Boise State every year, unlike U, who ran from the challenge by cancelling this year's game with Boise State, so you could play Montana State.

    BYU's "new rival" = one of the best teams in college football for the past decade

    Utah's "new rival" = one of the worst teams in college football for the past decade
    ---------

    What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

    Since when does the quality of your "rival" determine how good you are?

    Ha ha ha! Pure absurdity, as usual from your kind.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    BlueCoug,

    You prove the point that the Cougies live in the past.

    Why? Because your team has nothing to show for in the past decade.

    Go ahead and live on your 84 thing, it's all the Cougies will ever have.