Utah vs. Colorado, byu vs boise. The times are a changing. I could see more of
a rivalry with byu and boise than utah and colorado to be honest.
Ah, but you've forgotten about the skiing championships, they're becoming
Kiss the BYU vs Utah rivalry goodbye. I think that sun is setting.Look for BYU's new rivals to be Boise State, Hawaii and Air Force, and MAYBE
SMU and Houston.
I was at the 2 BYU vs Boise State games. I am not sure the Cougars want to take
on the Broncos just yet.
"Kiss the BYU vs Utah rivalry goodbye."BYU will always be
Utah's biggest rival."I was at the 2 BYU vs Boise State
games."Then you obviously didn't stay to the end of the 2004
game where Boise State barely avoided defeat when the one of the worst BYU teams
since the 60's missed a chip shot FG attempt to preserve the win for Boise
I would love to see BYU & Boise play every year. The only problem is, I
wouldn't know who to root for! I've always been a fan of BYU, but I've had a
blast watching Boise's rise as well. It should be fun!
I am sorry, but BYU and Boise have shown what they can do against decent
competition--- and it's not all that much to talk about. Funny the Big East will
be competing against the MWC for a BCS bid and I think the MCW/CUSA will win
out. BYU has dug their own grave by ruining two conferences (WAC/MWC)--(for
thier own selfishness) and now they are weighing options? BYU football is the
thing of the past, no matter which direction they take.!.
BYU is used to getting clobbered by their "rival" every two years or
so, so playing BOise State should fit right in. At least when you
watch this game you will have a chance to see competent and precision football.
Should be fun.
mightymite, The new look Big East will be in the following major
markets:DallasHoustonSalt Lake/ProvoNew YorkHartfordTampa/St. PetersburgDenver/Colorado SpringsOrlandoLouisvilleCincinnatiDo you realize that those
are major markets that will bring in a ton of $$$? The Big East will be able to
be viewed at all times across the country... From NY to Boise. People on the
west and east coast can catch a Big East football game at a great time.AFA
and BYU have large national followings as well, and everyone knows and likes
watching BSU. Stop telling yourself that the MWC/C-USA will get it...
@ mightymiteThe MWC is left with Nevada Reno and Sand Diego State.
Do you honestyly think they will get AQ status? When they play the likes of
UNLV, New Mexico and Wyoming?Life certainly must be interesting when
viewed through those crimson-colored lenses, coke-bottle thick!
If BYU joins the Big East good luck to them. Making it to a BCS game will
still require that they win their games.Good luck with that too.
Who knows what BYU will do, but I think it'd be silly to not play independence
out a little longer and see how it goes. They've got 7+ years remaining on the
current ESPN deal, no rush to go anywhere.
I'd also say:--Rivalry with Utah needs to just go away. All it does
is stir up feelings in the state, the country doesn't care at all about it.--I'm not sure the BigEast is the right way to get AQ status since its
own status will be reevaluated in a couple of years. Maybe BYU
should join the BigEast and then immediately announce they'll go independent
after the 27 month waiting period the BigEast would enforce. By then the
BigEast might be lacking AQ status...But seriously, would the BCS
drop a conference like the BigEast? It'd seem that would just add a lot of fuel
to the already hot and contentious AQ vs non-AQ fire. Not sure adding more high
power enemies would help the BCS at all.If BYU joins the BigEast
they'll probably just marginalize their brand again, like the MWC did to the
wow mightymite, you think very highly of byu´s power over the conferences
they are in. Not sure how you think byu ruined wac or the mwc. What ruined
the wac was the expansion to a superconference of 16 teams which was a disaster
because there was no real powerhouse in football other than byu. and
the mwc? no one in the conference liked or respected byu, but it was Utah
leaving for the pac 12 that set tcu to looking elsewhere even after BSU
announced they were joining. And once tcu left, that was when the mwc was
destroyed. It could have kept itself ahead of the big least with tcu and bsu,
even if byu ended up in the big east.
"besides the fact the Cougars are led by a coach named Bronco and BSU's
nickname is the Broncos." Are we writing for grade school kids here?
When was BYU invited to the Big-East? I've only heard that reported by the media
from inside sources. There has been no offcial invitation. Until something comes
from the Big-East, BYU should just enjoy the indy ride and people should stop
@mightymite"BYU has dug their own grave by ruining two conferences
(WAC/MWC)"Please expound on your statement. How did they ruin
two conferences? The decision to leave the bloated WAC and form the MWC was a
joint decision between many schools. And who was the first team to leave the
MWC, the Utes or Cougs? Had the Utes not left, BYU would have stayed. And with
Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, and AFA; the probability is pretty good that they
would have gotten AQ status.If you want to blame anyone for ruining
the MWC, you need to look to the Utes.And for anyone who thinks that
MWC and Conf USA have a shot at AQ status without Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State,
Houston, SMU, UCF - you're missing the boat. The Big East is trying to pick off
the best teams in both conferences to retain their AQ status.
I would love a new rivalry. Utah is so over the top, their fans can't even wake
up in the morning without thinking how much they hate BYU. We need a rivalry
with a fan base that loves their own team just because, not because they hate
another team so bad.
@mightymite and others of your ilk:Define "ruined 2 conferences
with their selfishness". The WAC had a weird alignment of goofy teams, the
MWC had a ridiculous TV contract. You have it backwards. Besides, what inside
view do you have of board discussions that backs up your claim. Can you produce
a single e-mail or meeting transcript? No. You are just going off assumptions.
Why do you automatically assume the worst? Utah, BSU, TCU, WVU,
Colorado and dozens of schools are moving around to find an alignment that makes
sense for them. BYU is actually being less opportunistic than most (less than my
preference). In my view they are not being selfish enough.BSU is a
great program, more successful and ambitious than BYU's in many ways. I like the
idea of a rivalry and even more the idea of being in a conference eg. Big East.
I'd like to see them eventually go full on in basketball and other sports. Big
TV markets, better exposure, helps build the program.
I like the rivalry that will form with Boise State....they are an awesome
program and it will be fun to watch... The Utes and Colorado? I don't think
the people in Boulder care much for Utah but I hope they enjoy their
"new" rivalry as well. Colorado football is a big yawn.
BYU will always be Utah's biggest rival, but Utah will not be BYU's. I vote we
say good bye to the little school on the hill. There always seems to be a whine
in the air up there.
Enough with those things up on the hill. Good riddance, regardless which way
the score goes. But to think that Boise will fill that gap is delusional. Once
Moore leaves they will go back to being a second/third rate team. To stay where
they are they will have to be unworldly lucky to find the guys who can keep them
winning. And their coach Peterson, how long do you think he will stay if he
manages to win a bit more? He leaves too, and you can put a fork in them.
One thing's for sure; wherever BYU ends up in the next few years they will still
be relevant in the college football world, unlike the last team from the State
of Utah that switched conferences.
@3grandslams | 6:18 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011 Iowa City, IA You're
right the Y should go find another rival. We can't really consider Utah and BYU
a rival anymore anyway. Utah has dominated the history of this rivalry so badly
it's hard to still call it a rivalry. Although I'm not sure Boise
St. would be the best choice either. Yes they loose Kellen Moore but I'm not
sure the Y can compete with them either. I think Idaho or Idaho St. would make a
better rival for the Y a team they can actually compete with.
mightymite;BYU was the big brother for many years in the WAC and the MWC.
That is something u and your kind will have to come to grips with at some point
in your life. As long as you continue to act(post) like they are still the big
brother, in your mind they always will be. Move on and get rid of your
inferiority complex. It will go away if you let it.
@mightymite:"I am sorry, but BYU and Boise have shown what they can
do against decent competition--- and it's not all that much to talk
about."What do you call "decent competition"? Let's see,
what did both of those teams do to Oklahoma the last time they played? Would you
say that Oklahoma is a decent team? What is BYU's record against OU? Look what
BSU has done the last several years. I think you are just afraid
that BYU and BSU will "outshine" the u in football in a AQ conference.
Try to get your digs in now, because u are bound for the cellar of the pac 12.
You know it and so do all the u fans, except those who live in a dream world.
You just dream about things that BYU has already accomplished. Good luck with
that little brother, it just ain't gonna happen! LOL!
Nice, smart, these two regional giants will be an awesome rivalry ! I have
plenty of friends in Boise and extended family in Idaho so this will be fun.The media attention this will bring to the mountain states will be
tremendous. With Utah in the PAC 12 and this BYU Boise State deal
the national attention will be a hot spot light to show case the quality of
football here in the mountain time zone.To the future and its
One comment;Its on your Coaches T shirt.Band of Lil
Brothers.Alway has been, always will be.Hang in there
Band of Lil Brothers!
Well, theres one guaranteed mark in the L column for the Cougs each season.
Boise State is a well-coached, perennial top 15 team. The cougs are going to
have their hands full the next 12 years! It'll be fun to watch, but we've got a
long way to go before we're competing with Boise each year.
How about Notre Dame? I think that could be a big rivalry for BYU even more so
than Boise State and it will definitely get better TV ratings. If BYU joins Big
East, Notre Dame may extend that series with BYU since they play a lot of Big
East teams anyways.
BleedRed "Its on your Coaches T shirt. Band of Lil
Brothers".....that just proves you can't read and that you only
see what you want to see.Next time you are watching a BYU game, like
you always do, actually take the time to read the shirt.If we are
the little brothers, why are you posting on a BYU article?You
actions speak louder than words.
So BYU has a new rival?BYU's previous rivalry ended when their QB
took the post-game podium and expressed his hatred for Utah.Since
that night Utah has beaten BYU twice and joined one of the most powerful
conferences in the nation.Makes me wonder how long it be before a
BYU quarterback takes the post-game podium and proclaims his hatred his new
@mightymite, No body forced Utah to leave the WAC. Utah left the WAC at
the same time BYU did, and Utah left the MWC before BYU did. Utah went for the
money, not BYU. As far as the Big East retaining its AQ status is concerned,
with the heat the US Congress is placing on the BCS right now, do you really
think the BCS will drop the Big East AQ status with Air Force and Navy in the
conference? Think about it!
BleedRed BYU embraces the challenge of playing Boise State every
year, unlike U, who ran from the challenge by cancelling this year's game with
Boise State, so you could play Montana State.BYU's "new
rival" = one of the best teams in college football for the past decadeUtah's "new rival" = one of the worst teams in college
football for the past decadeThanks for stopping by little brother.
Certainly part of the consideration amongst BYU sports admin is trying to
determine how strong the current Big East AQ status is in the BCS. The Big East
has easily been the weekest of AQ conferences (I'd actually put last year's MWC
ahead of the Big East from top to bottom). As much as I want BYU to join the Big
East- Western Div., that's only IF the AQ status is retained. An indepth
follow-up article by the DN on the BCS status of this conference would be very
helpful and informative for the readers. If the Big East's grasp on the BCS is
not secure, I say keep BYU as an independent.
Interesting to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the hill.
This considering the most recent drubbing the Broncos gave the Utes last year.
Not to mention the beat down the basetball team gave the Utes last night. The
Bronocs would like nothing more than to get another bowl beat down over the
mighty Pac 12 utes in the Vegas bowl!
This would probably help the BYU-Utah rivalry stay alive. The game becomes in
inter-sectional BCS vs BCS game (even if the BE is worse than the Pac). Utah
won't try to make silly demands like 2-for-1 home games. BYU won't try to force
them to play in November (though I wish all parties involved would allow it, the
early season game just felt wrong this year, and not just because we got
crushed).And if BYU goes to the BE, I understand their main sports
would stay in the WCC, but they need to make part of the deal include
non-conference BE basketball games, 2 home and 2 away each year. Would help SOS
and give a chance for impressing the selection committee.
I would like to see USU get an invite and see what kind of team they could
become with some BCS love coming into the program. I have a hard time believing
that the latest Big East plan will work though. Collect a bunch of decent teams
across the country and try and create a conference. Conferences were meant to be
regional, not national. Spin doctors will tell you how great this will be and to
look at the size of the television markets and what-not, but how big of a
following do those teams have in those markets? How many TV's are tuned into
Houston on Saturday? Most are probably tuned into watching UT instead or bypass
Saturday to watch the Cowboys on Sunday. The WAC tried the same marketing ploy
when they went to 16 teams and it failed miserably. With BCS money behind it it
might last a little longer.
I stated last summer when Utah and BYU parted ways that the "rivalry"
game would die. People just laughed at me and said it would never happen. I
still believe that the "rivalry" is dead and I can't be happier. I
think the two fan bases have gone beyond civil. If both BYU and Utah can find
new rivals that remember what football is all about and create a great football
atmosphere then I wish them both the best.As for Boise St, has
anybody looked at them and what they will look like going forward? They have 15
seniors starting this year - including Kellen Moore. I think Boise will
continue to build and be strong but I expect a dropoff next year. Will this
help BYU vs Boise? Probably. What about Utah vs Colorado? I don't see the
Buffs getting stronger so I don't expect this to be much of a rivalry. Only
time will tell for both teams as they have parted ways.
Even if the Big East retains its AQ status after BYU joins (not a sure thing),
going to a BCS bowl isn't the be-all-end-all of college football. Do you
respect UConn more for winning the Big East last year and getting thumped in the
Fiesta Bowl? Of course not - you complained that an 8-4 unranked team was even
there. Plus, they lost a lot of money on that bowl game. AQ status actually
HURT UConn both from a PR perspective and a financial perspective.So
someone please explain to me why AQ status is better than independence, where we
can play a variety of interesting teams along with regular series against the
likes of Boise State, Notre Dame, Hawaii, and hopefully Utah.
@JustintimeY | 9:11 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011 Boise, Id "Interesting
to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the hill. This considering
the most recent drubbing the Broncos gave the Utes last year. Not to mention the
beat down the basetball team gave the Utes last night. The Bronocs would like
nothing more than to get another bowl beat down over the mighty Pac 12 utes in
the Vegas bowl!" We would love to see you in vegas again,
problem is you won't be there. TCU will be there or did you forget Boise lost on
Saturday? Enjoy the poinsettia bowl.
"BYU's "new rival" = one of the best teams in college football
for the past decadeUtah's "new rival" = one of the worst
teams in college football for the past decadeThanks for stopping by
little brother."Uh... funny how you opt to only look at recent
years... Colorado won the 1990 National Title (and not against a 6-5 team in the
Holiday Bowl!), and has played in the Big 12 Title Game as recently as 2004 and
2005! I'd say you have a nice "selective memory" you're working from.
Colorado is a good program and will be back.Also, per CBS Sports...
current players in the NFL - Utah 22; Colorado 15; BYU 15; Boise State 14. Personally I'm glad to see the two local teams switch rivalries so to
speak, I'm sick of how ridiculous fans of both teams talk and treat each
other... why not just be happy that the quality of college football is so much
better now in the region than it was 20-30 years ago.
"Interesting to here all the trash talk about BSU from the fans on the
hill."Kind of like the trash talk from BYU fans despite the
54-10 beatdown a few weeks ago...
@ Uteanymous 10:44pmPost script to the 2004 BYU game @ Boise:In 2003 BSU hammered BYU 50-12 @ Provo. The 2004 game was the Cougars chance
for redemption, with the Broncos starting a new QB that year. The last second
BYU FG attempt (missed) was set up by a very questionable BSU pass interference
call. As a BSU fan, I can empathize with the pain felt by missed FG attempts in
game winning/losing situations. With ties to both schools I'm looking forward
to the future Broncos-Cougars series!
You don't have to post my comments D-News, your editors I found out long ago are
biased as to what they allow for posting but I know in my mind what the truths
are. Live your fantasy Y & U successes even if they are miserable as will
their basketball programs be this year and decline posting anything remotely
close to telling the truth in favor of blowing the bugle of the two schools all
of you just rave about! Go for the big bucks all of you, apparently thats what
motivates and fuels your engines!
And BYU and Utah could face-off in a future December or January bowl game...that
would be something!
Boise State and BYU makes a lot of sense. Anybody that thinks a conference that
has Nevada as their strongest team would take away AQ status from a new Big East
with Boise State, BYU, Air Force is kidding themselves. Remember the Big East
wants the best of Conference USA too.
Re: So. Cal ReaderThere's no exact formula for getting AQ status.
Every four years the BCS reevaluates the conferences and uses things like
win/loss records for each conference member, collective BCS rankings during
those four years, etc, to determine who gets AQ. So far an AQ has always been
awarded to the top-6 conferences. There was talk that the MWC could eclipse the
Big East in that formula and therefore take over their AQ but there was never a
guarantee of that anyway since the BCS could just decide to have 5 AQ's instead
of 6. Now that the MWC has been and continues to be decimated, that scenario is
off the table. Another reason why the Big East's AQ status has been a little
tenuous is because they don't have a contractual tie-in to any of the 4 BCS
bowls. The Pac-12 and Big 10 have the Rose Bowl. The Big XII has the Fiesta. The
SEC has the Sugar and the ACC has the Orange. That's why those five are probably
never in danger of losing AQ status.
I'm excited about the 12-game series between BYU and Boise State. I hope the
contract calls for disallowing the Broncos to wear blue uniforms for the home
Re: Mike W,How ironic that in the same breath you laud Colorado for
their 1990 championship and you diparage BYU for their's in 1984. Do you know
what the glaringly obvious difference is between those two championships? BYU's
was a unanimous or consensus national championship. Colorado's was not! They
split their's with Georgia Tech that year! How funny that Ute fans absolutely
refuse to recognize any validity in 1984 but somehow recognize a more debatable
one involving their new rival!
UtahBroncoA little more perspective on BYU-BSU.The 2003
BYU(4-8) team that lost to #16/#17 BSU(13-1) 50-12 was BYU's worst team since
1968.The 2004 BYU(5-7) team that lost to #12/#13 BSU(11-1) 27-28
came within a missed FG of beating the Broncos on the smurf turf. I
attended the 2003 game and watched the 2004 game on television. The
"questionable" PI call at the end was only questionable in the eyes of
Mike W"Colorado won the 1990 National Title..."Correction, Colorado SHARED the 1990 title, after winning a regular season
game on that famous 5th-down play, one of the most controversial calls ever made
in college football. In today's world of instant replay, the Buffaloes would
have lost the game and any chance for a national title.Colorado's
football program resembles Utah's basketball program, teams that used to be good
a long time ago, but teams that are now consistent conference bottom dwellers.
Jeff:Before Boise State can join the Big East, they need to find a
conference for their non-football teams. The MWC Conference won't take them if
the football team leaves. Boise has already burned the bridge with the WAC. Who
will accept Boise State's non-football teams, the Big Sky Conference?
Re: scenic viewAlso ironic that last week's TCU loss for BSU came on
a missed field goal which they were fortunate to even have after a very
questionable pass interference call!
I still lean towards independence, at least until the AQ questions get resolved.
But I'd be for joining the BE in a heartbeat if it meant never having to play
the regional school on the hill with their hateful, delusional fan base ever
again. Why do the trees in Utah county all lean North?
Ironman,There have been reports out there that BSU has contacted the
Big West for their other sports, which looks like a pretty good fit considering
BSU's other athletic programs are no where near competitive to be in a top-tier
conference and the Big West does not have football, just like the WCC.
I still prefer independence, but if joining the BE meant that it'd kill the
BYU/UU "rivalry" I'm all the way on board. Good riddance.
hamrdown"I stated last summer when Utah and BYU parted ways
that the "rivalry" game would die. People just laughed at me and said
it would never happen."They're still laughing at you. As the 100+ comments from Utah trolls on the article about BYU being invited
to the Big East attests, the BYU-Utah rivalry is far from dead. As long as BYU
and Utah are in the same state, the rivalry will never die.
Boise would blow BYU away right now. BYU not on the same level as Boise talent
If Utah can beat BYU 54-10, Just imagine what Boise will do to them.
Most BYU fans realize that BSU has raised their program to another level of
competition and will pose a real challenge. What is also obvious to BYU fans is
that Utah fans are totally delusional about their own status compared to the
same Bronco program. The same BSU team that dominated Utah last year in the
Vegas bowl. The same Utah program that is 0-3 against the Broncos. Utah
3-26 BSU 2010Utah 3-36 BSU 2006Utah 20-26 BSU 1999
patriotBoise would also blow Utah away right now (see Las Vegas Bowl
2010). Utah is also not on the same level talent wise as Boise.
President JokerTransitive scores are meaningless.Would
Utah beat Texas by 43 points if the Utes were playing at Texas this week?BYU beat OSU on the road 38-28 (10 point difference)Utah beat OSU
at home 27-8 (19 point difference)Sagarin Ratings#34 Utah#53 BYUThe vast disparity between BYU and Utah only exists in the
crimson-colored world of Utedom. 54-10 was more the result of 7 BYU turnovers,
than any significance difference between the two teams.
For decades, the Utah-BYU game was played the Saturday before Thanksgiving, that
would be this weekend. I sure miss the traditional rivalries. Far-flung
conference opponents can never replace what we had.The BCS
money-grab is destroying what has made college football so great.
Re: giantfanActually I'd say the BIGGEST difference between the 1984
Cougars and 1990 Buffaloes is that Colorado played 7 ranked opponents that year
(going 5-1-1), the '84 Cougars played one! And that one ranked opponent turned
out to be a total flop by year's end. Based on 1984 Cougar logic, Houston
should be atop the polls right now! You have to factor strength of schedule...
farces like 1984 BYU (a very good but hardly great team) are the reason why the
BCS is a GOOD thing... it weeds out teams like 2007 Hawaii, or it is at least a
better thing than the system we had before until we get a legit playoff.
@2BCSWINSthat is almost as funny as anything chis b has said. i still cant
This is great! Long term commitments from Boise St., Texax, Nortre Dame, Georgia
Tech, Hawaii, Houston, West Virginia. This indy thing keeps getting better and
Re: Fubecao "So someone please explain to me why AQ status is better than
independence." I'd say how about the $12-$14Million pay-out to each
school/respective conference. I agree with what you said about the lackluster
effort of the Big East & UConn-- including the woeful showing by Pitt
against Utah in 2005. But, for now, BCS is where the big bucks are. If UConn
lost money, it's because they don't travel well and don't have a strong national
fan base-- unlike the Cougs. I am positive BYU would gobble up any/all tickets
and then some to a BCS Bowl. The reality is I don't see a BCS bowl happening any
time soon if BYU stays independent. Their schedule simply isn't strong enough to
garner nat'l BCS votes/respect as a non-qualifier. I love my Cougs. Just
offering my humble opinion.Re: giantfan-- Thanks for the
explanation of the conf. formula. I was aware of that, just not to the detail
Re: Mike WAt the end of the day your argument, and that of most Utah
fans, just ends up sounding petty and jealous. If what you're saying was so
clear cut and easy to recognize, then why didn't all the sports journalists and
coaches and national pundits in 1984 not recognize it? That BYU team was very
good but 1983 was probably better and unfortunately, even today, college
football awards its national champion based on what you do during the current
year along with the previous year. If you're not ranked in the pre-season top-10
you have very little chance of winning a national championship. BYU was on a 23
game winning streak and the nation recognized that. The idea that their
championship was so glaringly undeserved does not hold up simply because the
majority of those that have a vote didn't see it that way.
Mike WSorry to burst your crimson-shaded bubble, but the BIGGEST
difference between the 1984 Cougars and the 1990 Buffaloes is BYU was the 1984
concensus national champion as selected by all five major selecting
organizations.Colorado doesn't have one of those beautiful $30,000
Crystal Football trophies in their trophy case because Georgia Tech finished 1st
in the Coaches poll in 1990.As much as blind BYU haters would like
to pretend they weren't, ALL of the factors cited ad nauseum by the haters were
evaluated by the poll voters for over a month -- SOS, W/L records, bowl
opponents, etc., etc. -- and when it came time for the final analysis, the
majority of voters still felt that BYU deserved to be named national champion
over all of the other contenders.
Mike W. said,"Based on 1984 Cougar logic, Houston should be
atop the polls right now! You have to factor strength of schedule."Why should Houston be #1 right now? Are they the only undefeated team in
the country? What about LSU and Oklahoma State? I agree those two teams
definitely deserve to be ranked #1 over Houston because of their SOS. But if the
Cougars are the only undefeated team left at the end of the year, they at least
deserve a shot to prove that they are or are not the best team in college
football. Certainly Utah fans can appreciate that after all the crying and
whaling after 2008. Or has your new status in the Pac-12 now made you one of the
snobby elitists that you used to despise so much?In my opinion, the
results of 1984, 1990, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004, 2008, and pretty much every
other year of college football are proof that we should have a playoff to
determine who the best team in college footabll is. Too bad if our former allies
in this on the Hill for some reason now think differently.
Today marks the 27th anniversary of November 17, 1984, the day #3-ranked BYU
came to RES and defeated Utah 24-14, extending BYU's winning streak to 22
straight games and propelling BYU to #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls the
Uteanymous,"As much as blind BYU haters would like to pretend
they weren't, ALL of the factors cited ad nauseum by the haters were evaluated
by the poll voters for over a month -- SOS, W/L records, bowl opponents, etc.,
etc. -- and when it came time for the final analysis, the majority of voters
still felt that BYU deserved to be named national champion over all of the other
contenders."You've hit on a point that Ute fans cannot
comprehend: BYU played an unranked 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl on Dec.
21 and barely pulled it out. All of those things should've been negatives for
BYU in the eyes of the pollsters. The New Year's Day bowls were much more fresh
in their minds and if BYU was nothing more than an also-ran in the eyes of the
majority of America, then it wouldv'e been much more logical to vote for Florida
or Washington or Nebraska instead of BYU. And even with all that going against
them, they still voted BYU the consensus champ.Reminds me of all the
Jimmer naysayers last year that said he'd never win the POY. And yet it was
I think it will be a great rivalry. I too would have troubles on who to root
for. I would have to say the Cougs, but will never be dissappointed. I hope
the rivalry with Utah continues, but would love to see one with Boise State as
well. My only issue is BSU will work over BYU right now. BYU needs
to improve to hang with the Broncos. Last weekend, the Broncos and
Sun Devils lost and BYU beat Idaho. Whoopee. My football weekend was
Sagarin Ratings#34 Utah#53 BYUThat's actually a fairly
wide disparity and the scoreboard tells us that there was quite a large
disparity as well. Even Bronco said so after the game:"We were
outcoached, outplayed and basically outexecuted," BYU coach Bronco
Uteanymous | 1:12 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011 Salt Lake City, Utah I
couldn't agree more. We have beaten ourselves in every loss this year including
the 54-10 game.
scenic viewDo you mean to count 2003 & 2004 vs BSU as
"moral victories" for the Cougars? Scoreboard (x2).
Sounds like a great matchup. Doubt that any of those are November games, the MWC
or Big lEast won't have any non-conference games in November like the PAC-12 has
stipulated.Glad to be playing better teams in the future. Waiting for the
Home and Home with Navy, Army, Notre Dame in November with a Hawaii in November
or December thrown in just for fun. When we have that schedule then the will
finally have something worthwhile as an independent. Already tired of the
supposed patsies on this years schedule. Nothing to be gained by playing them.
Nothing proven when you win, even if it is by 40 or more. I would rather have a
6-6 season with quality wins and loses than a 10-2 season with wins over nearly
everyone that is still in the WAC and MWC.Hope we don't give up on the
Independent path too soon, still see lots of positives to that arrangement.
Man we need a much better rival than Utah. The big EAst will dominate with us
and boise's State.
@blue cougThose days are long gone. Utah, 7 out of last 10.
It's a marriage made in heaven. The fans of both schools are a perfect match.
@Uteanymous"54-10 was more the result of 7 BYU turnovers, than any
significance difference between the two teams. "Well in that
case Utah's just a ton of Hays turnovers and a blocked field goal attempt from
being undefeated. Turnovers oftentimes means someone forced the turnover
(obviously some of the 7 were presents but still defenses of Utah and
Washington/ArizonaSt/Cal should get a lot of credit for 5+ turnover games). I do agree that Utah is not lightyears ahead of BYU. If they played
again today I could see BYU winning (we don't have Wynn this time which makes it
close to 50-50 chances as far as I'm concerned).
For crying out loud Dnews, my sensored comment was hilarious.Utes
are showing up in my rearview mirror as this Big East thing gains momentum.We all know that several Ute fans and/or BYU agitators will no longer
have a purpose in life if this rivalry ends and the click rate will drop to
nothing as well.A non-profit organization to 'save the rivalry' and
clicking trolls is a good thing.The comment about 'occupying'
something is just a twist on current events. Geesh, get a grip.
I guess, since they have played 2 games before, and they are in neighboring
states they could be made "rivals." Sorry. Sounds forced.
=====JustintimeY | 12:50 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011 Boise, Id
"The same BSU team that dominated Utah last year in the Vegas bowl.
The same Utah program that is 0-3 against the Broncos. Utah 3-26 BSU
2010Utah 3-36 BSU 2006Utah 20-26 BSU 1999"Utah is
2-5 against Boise State all-time in football.=====While I
would like to see the BYU-Utah rivalry continue as so many of the game are so
highly entertaining, I can see why folks on either side would want to shed that
game. Some BYU fans would like to say "good riddance" to
the arrogant, delusional fanbase on the hill, while many Ute fans would like to
leave the team down south in the rear-view mirror because of their arrogant,
delusional fan base.Apparently Boise State and Colorado are devoid
of such fans.
@ Ernest T. Bass"Man we need a much better rival than Utah. The
big EAst will dominate with us and boise's State".You mean
Boise State will dominate the Big East. BYU is incapable of beating anyone good
and will probably be mediocre. If you are already claiming Boise State will be a
better rival than Utah then enjoy a good beatdown similar to 54-10 by the
Broncos every year.
Things change, but BYU would get their head handed to them in series with BSU,
and I'm a BYU fan. Just sayin.
Bleed Crimson,Newsflash: Ernest T. Bass is not a BYU fan. You've
been around long enough, you knew that, right? Another one falls for the
Interesting perspective how both Utah and BYU are now trying to compare
themselves to Boise State. BSU has quietly been putting together a solid program
by doing it on the field and not at the microphone. Maybe there is a message in
this one. Also, what does it say about Utah's basketball program as Boise State
handed them an 80-59 whooping this last week. Another one of those quiet
programs that do their talking on the court. With that said, I am excited for
Utah and the possibilities that playing in the Pac12 will bring to their
athletic programs. The jury is still out regarding a once strong BYU football
program and the rest of the athletic department at this point. Independence is
not what BYU thought it would bring. This was not well planned. There is alot of
talk about how this looks like the slow demise of athletics at BYU. It happened
at BYU-Idaho as they were once considered a very strong athletic program for
junior colleges. Now it is club play.
Swoop | 9:07 a.m. Nov. 17, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTBleedRed BYU embraces the challenge of playing Boise State every year, unlike U, who
ran from the challenge by cancelling this year's game with Boise State, so you
could play Montana State.BYU's "new rival" = one of the
best teams in college football for the past decadeUtah's "new
rival" = one of the worst teams in college football for the past decade---------What does that have to do with the price of tea in
China?Since when does the quality of your "rival"
determine how good you are?Ha ha ha! Pure absurdity, as usual from
BlueCoug,You prove the point that the Cougies live in the past.Why? Because your team has nothing to show for in the past decade.Go ahead and live on your 84 thing, it's all the Cougies will ever have.