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  • Independence Is Bliss San Jose, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 5:20 a.m.

    Wow, the rebroadcast had almost as many viewers in the SLC market as the live Utah-Pitt game. I guess that's not too surprising; BYU has always owned the SLC market.

    Wonder what the Utes think about this factual data.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    Many thanks to all that made this possible. Exemplary "customer service"!

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    The PAC 12 asked if BYU really had an HD truck? Clearly they have never done their homework on invitations. When they learn what they passed up on BYU because they only hear "no sunday play". They are going to be kicking themselves. The last thing BYU is, is a weight.

    Amazing how blind bigotry can make you.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Independance will work for BYU as it has for Notre Dame. Their 2013 schedule is remarkable and the strongest conference in the nation has no intention of going "super". Stay independant Cougars the future is fantastic and while we do have cup cakes on the schedule this year and next we are getting paid to play them.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    From a media production value standpoint, BYU is a BCS champion and second to none. Kudos fellas!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    BYUtv, it's HD truck, and independence, doing what naysayers said couldn't be done--work with Fox.

    Exposure is everything to BYU for its sports. Money's secondary.

    Keep that in mind during BYU to Big 12 banter. Cheers!

  • deibu Roseburg, OR
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Glancing over the men's basketball schedule there are a few games not being broadcast nationally: Utah and Utah State. Perhaps BYUtv could collaborate with these local schools to get these games on the air outside of Utah. What kind of a conference limits their teams exposure? If this is the case they need some serious bad press, or BYU needs to stop scheduling them. Also, some of the WCC road games are not being broadcast. What's up with that? BYUtv, please continue your collaboration efforts to get these games on. Next challenge: HD outside of the local broadcast area. Let's push to get BYUtv broadcast in HD on all cable and satellite distributors. Thanks for your efforts!

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Thank you to BYU to put together such facilities and people that can do such a thing to pull off a minor miracle. I love watching BYU and I encourage all my friends to watch it too.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    I appreciate the hard work and dedication that everyone exhibited. Not getting the live feed in Colorado was a disappointment, but after reading the article I can see that getting that last part of the puzzle (BYU-TV) was not possible this time around. I was glad for KSL radio on the internet for my free coverage.

    Keep up the good work and maybe, just maybe, in the future BYU-TV will have total coverage. Love it.

    Now let's win the remaining four games and have a 10-3 season.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Independence Is Bliss | 5:20 a.m. Nov. 6, 2011
    San Jose, CA
    "Wow, the rebroadcast had almost as many viewers in the SLC market as the live Utah-Pitt game. I guess that's not too surprising; BYU has always owned the SLC market.

    Wonder what the Utes think about this factual data."

    Here's what I think: BYU fans love to re-watch already played games in which they won, particularly if it's against a team from a percieved better conference. How many viewers caught the re-broadcast of the TCU or Utah games?

    The Utah-Pitt game, by the way, was at 10 AM MDT which was likely early for many of the casual fans. And believe me, Utah has it's fair share of casual fans.

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    at JD Tractor: I have Direct TV and BYUtv is not HD. ESPN is on HD. It comes on local TV like the Mtn.

  • Coug Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    David A. Bednar once said, "While it's good to be faithful, its better to be faithful and competent". BYU just happens to be both.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    TheTruth801

    If you live in the SLC market, as your ID suggests, you can get BYU-tv HD with an antenae. If you live outside the SLC market and your local cable or satelite company doesn't offer BYU-tv HD, you can stream the live broadcast directly to your television via the internet using a little $95 box.

    Besides, the OSU game was one of only two BYU games that aren't being broadcast live on the ESPN family of networks, most of them on ESPN or ESPN2.

    Utah, on the other hand, plays most of its games on KJZZ.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Nicely done Cougs!

    Although, I wish that Greg Wrubell would do the byutv play by play instead of that other guy! At least pretend to have some enthusiasm!

  • UteFan123 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    I dont know what I would rather have more people watching a rebroadcast so you fan base can relive beating a BCS team? Or actually being in a BCS conference competing against BCS talent? Think about that one BYU fans.

    By the way your team lost by 44 to Utah. Thats got to hurt.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    MiP

    "The Utah-Pitt game, by the way, was at 10 AM MDT which was likely early for many of the casual fans. And believe me, Utah has it's fair share of casual fans."

    Which is why Hill will never be able to justify spending millions to expand RES. A couple of losing seasons and RES will be just like the HC, a vast sea of fans disguised as empty red chairs.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    @UteFan123

    "Or actually being in a BCS conference competing against BCS talent?"

    BCS talent?

    Pittsburgh, Arizona, Oregon State, Washington State, and Colorado are all ranked below Temple, Northern Iowa, and Arkansas State.

    Some impressive BCS talent.

    Utah's ONLY significant win of the season has been at BYU.

    Just think, if you hadn't beaten BYU, you wouldn't have a single win over a D1-A team with a winning record.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 6, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    Big deal. We are on worldwide television and have a team that stinks. Two good things will happen if we learn how to win games that matter:

    - People will see us in a positive light on network/ESPN television (eg. in a BCS bowl or playing a major team)
    - Quality conferences will actually invite us to join

    In the meantime, let's shun exposure.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    Go BYU!

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Ok, I am sorry, but even Duke where my dad is, who has one of the most marginal football programs known to NCAA football, is on TV every weekend, and is covered on ESPN as much as is BYU. I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over this. Putting BYU football on parity with Duke football is hardly a high milestone, and I like both programs.

    I think people need to tone down the cool-aide just a smidge. It is great that today, both schools are on TV a lot. But so are a lot of schools. A lot of rather ordinary schools.

    This is nothing like the days of when Notre Dame got their contract. The world of NCAA football has been forever changed, and coverage has greatly been expanded through ESPN, CBSsports, Fox Regional Sports, and league owned networks.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    @MiP

    Uh we are talking about the REBROADCAST of the BYU/osu game. The live broadcast had already dominated the ratings locally dwarfing the utah/pitt ratings then BYUtv REBROADCAST the BYU/osu game and it got the same ratings as utah's live game broadcast. In otherwords the two BYU broadcasts basicly quadrupled the viewership of utah's game.

    Now you are one of the classier Utah fans, and for that matter posters in general, around here, so it isn't very becoming of you to try and downplay this. The fact is the interest in BYU dwarfs the interest in utah even in this market alone. utah has some things it can brag about, like its pac12 membership, but in the area of fanbase, tv sets, etc. BYU dominates and probably always will. It is just the way it is.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Viva la Independence!

    This is getting better and better. I haven't missed a game this year and won't have to. The 2012 schedule is moderately better than the 2011 schedule has been and the 2013 schedule looks great. I really don't understand the clamoring to join a conference. The only thing a conference would give BYU is that they could conceivably get into a BCS game with a mediocre record by virtue of winning their conference championship. Big deal. If they ever have a record that is worthy of being in a bcs bowl they will be invited to one. Going to the fiesta bowl with a 8-4 record is no accomplishment.

    I hope BYU doesn't cave to the paranoid fans who lack the vision to see how good independence is really becoming. Without major concessions that allow BYU to preserve its ESPN contract and BYUtv capabilities then there is no conference in the country worth joining.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    All of the comments about BYU fans re-watching the game on BYUtv shows how the Utes just don't get it. This game was broadcast locally on KBYU and regionally on Fox. The BTYtv rebroadcast was shown INTERNATIONALLY. While I'm sure there were some people who re-watched the game, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the majority of the viewers were fans who could not watch the original broadcast.

    I know it's hard to wrap your PAC-12, BCS, never-seen-on-anything-but-KJZZ (except when playing BYU) heads around the idea of having fans worldwide, but this is the whole point of BYUtv and the reason BYU will not negotiate away their broadcast rights in exchange for inclusion in a conference.

    Speaking of a BCS conference, Missouri will announce it's departure to the SEC next week, the Big-12 will realize that it will be at least 2013 before West Virginia can join them, Big-12 TV partners will not settle for a 9-team conference, and BYU will get an invite with the concessions they originally wanted.

  • kanaka818 West Hills, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    I watched the BYU/OSU game, live, on FSNP here in Los Angeles. FSNP is Fox Sports Pacific. I don't know how wide an area they broadcast.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 6, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    If only our AD and the BYU Administration were as Competent as those who run our Audio and Visual Broadcasting.... We might even be able to be in an AQ conference... Maybe the AV folks ought to subcontract their capabilities out to schools with Athletic Leadership that has AQ status.... They might be able to bring in more money than our Athletic Department.

    Holmoe and Samuelson need to step aside so that we can put in some folks that can land us an AQ Conference invitation.... If we say we want exposure we have to have people who have Leadership skills and that have the credibility to get us where we need to go... Playing Weber, Idaho, Idaho State, etc. is not where we need to go.

    Our Recruiting Quality in Football and Basketball and other major sports will begin to take a dive unless the University and its Board start making some changes and demanding some better results.

  • Pawps Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    Its nice the game was televised, but whats the deal with the terrible transmission, it looked like old rabbit ear transmission and claimed it was HD.

    Any explanations?

  • neimfrence layton, ut
    Nov. 6, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Somebody please dispell this fact:

    Except for Notre Dame, BYU has more football games broadcast on National TV (which includes lower tier cable) than ANY other team in the country. This includes NFL teams, whose games are mostly regionally distributed.

    This does not mean BYU is a great football team, since they obviously have flaws. It does, however, mean that they are in the best possible position to build their brand - assuming they can improve the product on the field.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 6, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    Jeff29 said:

    "....Speaking of a BCS conference, Missouri will announce it's departure to the SEC next week, the Big-12 will realize that it will be at least 2013 before West Virginia can join them, Big-12 TV partners will not settle for a 9-team conference, and BYU will get an invite with the concessions they originally wanted."

    Whatever. BIG12 schools are already at odds with Texas over their own network, even though some changes have been made. Why would they allow BYU in on their own demands? They are not going to give BYU special treatment over Texas.

  • sportsman101 salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    @hatch strongest conference as in who..?if its any conference other than the sec you are very sadly sadly mistaken my friend.

  • Dog Fur Prather, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    Last year I could not watch any BYU football games live or rebroadcast. This year I can watch some live and some rebroadcast. I love it. Thanks BYUtv! 30 years ago I used to wait in line with my roommates to get tickets to the home football and basketball games, and we loved it. Now no longer a student and hundreds of miles away I can sit down at my computer and enjoy several games, awesome! Go BYU!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    Pawps

    "Its nice the game was televised, but whats the deal with the terrible transmission, it looked like old rabbit ear transmission and claimed it was HD.

    Any explanations?"

    If you want to watch in HD, you have to be tuned to the BYUtv HD channel, 647 on Comcast in Utah. The BYUtv HD channel is just as sharp as ESPN, in fact, ESPN and BYUtv share broadcast equipment when BYU games are produced in Provo.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    poyman

    relax; BYU's AD and President are as competant and professional as any university administration in the country, but they have many more factors to consider than simply joining a BCS conference.

    BYU has fans nationwide who have been asking for better access to BYU sports for years. As an independent, BYU has been able to provide unprecedented access to BYU sports and they aren't going to completely abandon that access just to join a BCS conference.

    Most fans would probably prefer to have a BYU-Hawaii game they could watch, rather than a BYU-Iowa State game, that was untelevised.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    Pawps

    Locally BYUtv is broadcasted over the air and on Comcast cable in HD. If you're watching it on DirectTV or Dishnet it is not.

    Gripe to your satellite providers, it's their fault not BYUtv.

    Otherwise spend $95 at Costco and get a Roku box and get the BYUtv re-broadcasts in streaming HD over the internet.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    Niemfrance.... Not sure where you got your data but this year the Bleacher Report did a piece on who the top ten teams were who had the highest tv coverage, and BYU wasn't one of them. If you have another source, would love to see it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    @JDTractor
    "Amazing how blind bigotry can make you. "

    You weren't taken because you have a 3rd party TV network when the PAC-12 went with a strict revenue sharing approach and because you aren't a tier I research institution. I do wish BYU were taken over Colorado though...

    @lonestarrunner
    "Utah's ONLY significant win of the season has been at BYU."

    Incidentally BYU is not all that far from Arizona in the sagarin rankings.

    "Just think, if you hadn't beaten BYU, you wouldn't have a single win over a D1-A team with a winning record"

    Does BYU have any of those?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "The fact is the interest in BYU dwarfs the interest in utah even in this market alone. utah has some things it can brag about, like its pac12 membership, but in the area of fanbase, tv sets, etc. BYU dominates and probably always will. It is just the way it is. "

    Well of course, half this state is LDS, most of whom will have attachments to BYU even if they never went there. The U of U has no such connection and thus its fanbase is comprised primarily of people who went to the school. If BYU wasn't the church school it'd be in the same boat at the U of U and Utah state.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    I think next years schedule is a vast improvement over this year. If we can win and keep scheduling like that or better, why not stay indy?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    @atl134

    Who cares what the reason is? It simply 'is'. Notre Dame has the fanbase it has because of the millions of catholics all around the country. The reason why is meaningless. The fact that it is a fact is all that matters. You utah "fans" post comments like "BYU is only popular because they are the school of the church" as if that somehow lessens their popularity. Guess what? It doesn't. I highly doubt any school with a large fanbase, no matter what the reason is that they have a large fanbase, is apologizing or making excuses for having it. Some like USC, Michigan, Ohio S

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    I have no idea why that posted itself in the middle of me writing it as I didn't hit any other keys. Strange.

    But as I was saying those schools have large fanbases because they are from state with large populations. They aren't apologizing. Notre Dame has a huge fanbase because of its religious affiliation. They aren't apoligizing. BYU has a huge national fanbase because of its affiliation with the LDS church. They don't need to apologize either.

    utah has a small fanbase because they are the #2 school in a very small state. That isn't changing.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:18 a.m.

    Independence Is Bliss | 5:20 a.m. Nov. 6, 2011
    San Jose, CA
    Wow, the rebroadcast had almost as many viewers in the SLC market as the live Utah-Pitt game. I guess that's not too surprising; BYU has always owned the SLC market.

    Wonder what the Utes think about this factual data.

    -----------

    Don't care.

    At all.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:21 a.m.

    eastcoastcoug | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2011
    Danbury, CT
    Big deal. We are on worldwide television and have a team that stinks.

    -----------

    Finally, a BYU fan who gets it.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:30 a.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    Viva la Independence!

    This is getting better and better. I really don't understand the clamoring to join a conference.

    -----------

    It doesn't surprise me that you're one of the fans who've talked yourself into believing independence is the way to go.

    Look at your atrocious home schedule this year as exhibit A of why independence is inferior to conference affiliation. No team of substance will play you in November, and certainly not in Provo.

    Exhibit B are your awful bowl ties. Armed Forced Bowl. Fight Hunger Bowl. That means after ONE loss, you've got nothing to play for for the rest of the year. They may as well ALL be exhibition games. The only way BYU is guaranteed a BCS bowl is to finish in the top 2. Even the MWC gave you better odds. A BCS conference would give you much greater odds.

    Exhibit C are your lifeless opponents. You'd rather play SJSU, NMSU, Idaho State and a full slate of dogs... over a list that includes Oklahoma, Texas, Okie State, K state and Texas Tech?

    You may as well just admit it already. Because none of us believe you really would rather stay independent.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:41 a.m.

    You people beating the indy drum are fooling yourselves.

    Independence BYU:
    -Terrible WAC-caliber home games
    -No BCS access (unless top 2 finish)
    -Several, I repeat several bad teams every single year. You'll get some good opponents, but not enough to fill your schedules. SJSUs, NMSUs and Idaho States will be the norm for years to come.
    -No decent bowl ties
    -"one and done" play. A single loss and you play for nothing the rest of the season.
    -WCC competition in basketball, other sports

    Big 12/Big East BYU:
    -Full BCS-level schedule every year
    -Excellent bowl ties
    -Home games w decent teams
    -No more San Jose States, New Mexico States and Idaho States
    -BCS access. Win your conference and you're in.
    -Better competition in football AND basketball... and the rest of your sports
    -More money for the program
    -You play on the same level as Texas, USC, Notre Dame and Alabama. No more mid-major

    Now tell me... why on earth would any of you people choose indy BYU?

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Nov. 7, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    It has been great having better access to BYU games.

    I agree with the comment above that most fans would rather be able to watch BYU v Hawaii than not be able to see BYU v Iowa St.

    When living in DC several years ago, BYU played Georgia Tech and there was a lot of clamor about this game being on ABC! The game was in Atlanta, so you would assume that an ABC-televised game from Atlanta would be shown in the DC area, right? Wrong, it was regionally televised and those of us in the DC were stuck watching South Carolina play someone on ABC. (At least I missed a loss).

    The contract with ESPN is great! In coming years, if BYU can win (Boise St fashion) they will get plenty of national exposure and recognition, and their fans will be happy they can see them from Thailand (where I watched the last BYU game).

    Go Cougars!!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 7, 2011 6:30 a.m.

    Duckhunter.... your proposition doesn't add up. Take Boise State. Smaller school, from a smaller state, with far better brand awareness and following than BYU. Why. Performance. Teams that consistently achieve gain a following.

    Another example from basketball. Duke vs. Carolina. It is a relationship that is followed by any basketball fan across the country. And yet Carolina comes from a mid pack state population wise, and Duke has a very small student body. Neither have the benefit of a religious sponsorship.

    Thinking LDS membership will somehow power BYU to the top of the national stage is futility. By the numbers, half of Utah LDS are not BYU fans - they support one of the other state schools. More than half the church population resides outside of the country, and doesn't care about American football. More than half the members are under 18. More than half are female, and the fan base is largely male, but not exclusively. When you dice it up, there just aren't that many people who will dedicate their saturday afternoons to BYU football.

    For BYU football to gain a national following, they need to perform on the field against quality teams, its that simple.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Nov. 7, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Re: Tomahawk Red

    "Now tell me... why on earth would any of you people choose indy BYU?"

    Independence BYU (see 2012-14 schedules):
    -Great nation-caliber home games (i.e. Texas, Georgia Tech, Boise State)
    -Nearly same BCS access as AQ conference(win all your games and you go)
    -Several, I repeat several great teams every single year, including the previously mentioned plus Notre Dame, Houston, Hawaii, UCF... and some lower tier BCS teams like Washington State, Oregon State, Utah)
    -Same opportunities to go to BCS bowls and likely some great bowl ties starting in 2015
    -A great schedule top to bottom. The schedule improves dramatically each year and will only continue to improve. BYU had to scramble to fill the 2011-13 slots, which is why there are so many poor WAC teams... but this isn't the case beyond 2013.
    -WCC competition in basketball, other sports (equal to or better than many BCS conferences in select sports, including basketball).

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    You know your season and program are hurting when there are full articles about keeping "TV streaks," rather than wins, alive. I am amused at all of the TV deal hype. When it was first announced, the DN articles discussing it could have inserted the words "national championship" wherever it mentioned the TV deal, because the level of hype was on that level. I guess you have to have something to be excited about. I am actually jealous in a strange way. Whenever the Utes are losing (and it happens more than I wish), all we Ute fans can do is sulk. But BYU fans continually get to enjoy the hype about something they are told is just as good as winning. Dang. Be it the new t-shirt Bronco is sporting this season, the two-quarterback system, Heaps-is-going-to-be-the-next-Jimmer predictions, Doman's revolutionary system of staying on the side lines, etc., there is always much to celebrate and hype up. Keep the TV streak going!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    @utahbluedevil

    Well you might have a point except for the fact BYU's ratings are so strong and utah's are, well, weak.

    Nor does boise have better brand awareness and they certainly don't have a better following. boise has very few actual fans. What a non sensical claim that was. LOL!

    I know this is hard for utah "fans" to accept but BYU does have a very large fanbase, it numbers in the millions, granted not all of them are hard core fans but they are fans never the less and when BYU plays somewhere they show up. When BYU is on tv they watch.

    Your baselass claim that not that many will dedicate a Saturday afternoon to watching them is completely discredited by the ratings. But then all you were trying to do was refute reality. That is never wise.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    I've said it before, and it looks like I will have to keep saying it: BYU does NOT (repeat: NOT) need to be in the top 2 to get a BCS bid!!!

    "Asked about BYU's situation in relation to the BCS, Holmoe said, "The BCS is not the reason for this move. I've spoken to (executive director) Bill Hancock of the BCS, and we know that we'll have the opportunity, if we're ranked 14 or higher, that we'll have the ability to be an at-large team."" -Desnews Sept. 1 2010

    What part of that do you haters not understand? I thought it was fairly straightforward-- your access is the same as ANY other non-AQ school! If you are still struggling with this concept, tell us your doubts and we will help you understand. If you do not speak out with any doubts, then I will assume that you understand and expect you to never use the lie that BYU must be #1 or #2 to get a BCS game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @tomahwak red

    You sure post your insecure desires a lot.

    I understand that for utah "fans" like yourself it is important to have an affiliation with better and bigger programs. That is why being in the pac10 is such a big deal for you guys. You are incapable of being a program that stands on your own let alone be a program that actually props up and brings value to lesser schools. That is because utah is a "lesser" school. Your entire view is based on being co-dependent and needing to be held up by your betters.

    That isn't the case with BYU. Now obviously there are BYU fans that don't understand this, they post their insecurities on here all of the time. But even as pathetic as they are they are nowhere near as pathetic as you are. You see for you to have any self worth you have to feel that utah being co-dependent is somehow superior to BYU being independent and also that BYU is unwanted.

    That is really pathetic.

    LOL!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    It would be fun to see the panic on the faces of KUED personnel if Dr. Hill calls them 10 days before the Washington State game and asks them to produce a live HD broadcast with Fox in Pullman.

    As much as Utah fans like to brag about the enormous advantage all of their PAC 12 money will give them, BYU already has facilities and capabilities in place that won't be available to Utah for decades, if ever.

    btw, Oklahoma is working on their own Sooner network, joining the list of schools like BYU and Texas who are pioneering the future of college sports broadcasting.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    @Go Utes

    "You know your season and program are hurting when there are full articles about keeping TV streaks,..."

    Actually, you know your season and program are hurting when you have to spam an article about your rival's television coverage because your own is so pathetic.

    ESPN/BYUtv > KJZZ/KUED

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    @ Christy B

    "ESPN/BYUtv > KJZZ/KUED"

    I rest my case. That was a gem.

    If making a comment with which you disagree is "spamming," then I guess I was "spamming." Sounds like I hit the nail on the head. I will take winning over TV coverage any day.

    54 > 10

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    radically_independent

    "Ok, I am sorry, but even Duke where my dad is, who has one of the most marginal football programs known to NCAA football, is on TV every weekend, and is covered on ESPN as much as is BYU."

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've been grossly misinformed. ESPN doesn't list a single Duke game being broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2.

    Richmond - ESPN3
    Stanford - ESPNU
    Boston C - ACC Network
    Tulane - ESPN3
    Fla Int'l - ESPNU
    Florida St - FOX
    Wake For - ACC Network
    Va Tech - ACC Network
    Miami - Blue Devil Sports Network
    Virginia - ESPN3, Blue Devil Sports Network
    Ga Tech - Blue Devil Sports Network
    No Caro - Blue Devil Sports Network

    There's a vast difference between a local or regional broadcast, and a national broadcast.

    Duke isn't even in the same hemisphere as far as being on par with BYU's television coverage.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @Go Utes

    You have to make a cogent argument before you can "rest your case".

    It's laughable that you're whining about BYU's state-of-the-art broadcasting capabilities and national partnership with ESPN, when for months all we heard from Utah fans was how amazing Utah's television coverage was going to be in the PAC 12.

    Reality turned out to be quite different.

    BYU appears weekly on ESPN.

    Utah appears weekly on KJZZ.

    Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but that's just the way it is.

    As much as you'd like to divert attention from the topic at hand, the results of the BYU-Utah game are irrelevant when discussing current and future television coverage.

    BYU's schedule will improve dramatically in 2012.

    It remains to be seen how much Utah's television coverage will improve.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    A quote from the "Pendleton out for the season" article:

    "Mendenhall also confirmed Monday that BYU has been approached by the Big East about possibly joining that conference, along with Boise State and Air Force. Mendenhall said the "main benefit" of joining the Big East would be "inclusion in the BCS system."

    I still don't want BYU to join but of course as usual your credibility takes another hit. Well if you had any credibility it would take a hit. You and naval lint are obviously about to go into hibernation on this subject.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    @ Uteanonymous

    Before you post, please consider all of my argument. I said "I rest my case" in reference to what I had already posted above in a previous comment. My point was that BYU is getting more excited about TV coverage than about winning football games (and for good reason, given the state of the program).

    You are not hurting my feelings to bring up ESPN vs. KJZZ. That is the whole point of my thoughts: what happens on the field is what I care about, not all of the peripheral stuff (TV, t-shirts, Jimmer predictions, etc.) that gets BYU nation excited.

    I brought up the BYU/Utah score to again emphasize that what happens on the field is (or should be) more important than peripheral stuff like TV deals. It was my way of saying that I would gladly take wins every year and an inferior TV package than losses and a superior TV package. A poster above said it well when he noted something like: "Who care? We are on TV all over the world and have a bad team."

    I must have struck a sensitive nerve to get such a response. Thanks!

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Nov. 8, 2011 2:05 a.m.

    @Go Utes

    I don't usually comment on others posts, but really both TV coverage and on-field performance matter. Of course, great on-field performance usually results in better TV coverage, so I too would place that higher up on my wish list, but just remember TV coverage in the MWC.

    The point I wanted to make to you is that if you ever move outside of Utah (Eastward) you may not be able to see more than 1-2 Ute games a year under their current TV situation. Then, on those good years, when they are winning you will be very unhappy you weren't able to see it.

    Hence, the importance of this article.