How good is this byu offense?So good that the Pac 12 and big 12 are
still fighting over who gets them.
all i know is that there is a reason why chowe is no longer coaching at those so
called big schools and in the nfl for that matter. seriously, what's he ever
done? doman is way over his head and is pathetic as well but since he's new,
i'm willing to give him some time to grow....as for the usu guy....ummmm, wish
he would get some help from anderson...the guys out of his own so to speak.
Dick, It must be a slow day in the sports world to have written an article like
"BYU's rookie offensive coordinator Doman is the only one with a
bowl-eligible team at 6-3."Dick he hasn't even beaten a team
with a winning record. Maybe BYU should join the Big Sky Conference. They
would end up with a better strength of schedule than they have now.
Harmon, have you ever considered strength of schedule?Yes, Doman has
the most wins, but who has he beaten?Brent Vigan (offensive
coordinator at North Dakota State) must be a better offensive coordinator that
Steve Spurrier (offensive coordinator at South Carolina). North
Dakota State is 8-0, while South Carolina is 7-1.Hurricane High
School must have the best offensive coordinator in the state, as they are 11-0.
BYU should consider hiring Hurricane's offensive coordinator as their own, he
hasn't lost all year.
Now if only BYU only had a good defensive coordinator...
Perhaps the most difficult coaching challenge for Coach Bronco is now. Somehow
he must keep his players positive and interested in football in the month of
November. BYUs schedule is two games in November against the lowest level of
WAC teams. All this when rivalry games are being played and conference
championships determined. Is this what he promised his recruits? Is this why
they choose BYU? I hope not. Probably they committed because of the future
possibilities. Yet next year promises to be the same. Three to four highly
regarded opponents in a twelve game schedule with an almost certain little
regarded bowl game assured.
What a pointless article.Didn't doman and chow go head to head before wynn
was injured?Oh, wait, that isn't a Fair comparison because it was
át the cougs home field.
nunya,Here's wiki's answer to your question:"Chow
won the 2002 Broyles Award as the nation's top collegiate assistant coach. He
also was named the 2002 NCAA Division I-A Offensive Coordinator of the Year by
American Football Monthly and was named the National Assistant Coach of the Year
in 1999 by the American Football Foundation. He is known for developing
quarterbacks such as Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson
Palmer, and Matt Leinart."He may not impress you, but he
obviously impresses enough people who make football decisions for a living to
give him the Broyles Award.Does he still have anything in the tank -
I believe so, but we'll see.Be honest - if you were a head football
coach and you had the choice of the three, who would you take?
I'd take Chow. He's always been a class act and has a proven tack record. I
always felt he got a raw deal at the Y and deserved better.
I don't remember that day in fall camp being talked about, when Bronco unleashed
his blitz and it all fell apart. Anyway, comparing these 3 coordinators to each
other is apples to oranges.
Dick, before you even speculate about BYU's ability to beat a "very, very
good team" how about they beat a very good team or even a good team. They
have yet to do that. And Utah'95's last comment is the best statement of these
posts or in the article, "Be honest - if you were a head
football coach and you had the choice of the three, who would you take?"
What might have been said is which offense is the hardest to prepare for. As a
defense coordinator i would put it this way. 1 USU. 2 SUU,3 BYU 4 Utah 5 WSU.
Dick..... really, is this all you got?
I'm all for Doaman becoming a great offensive mind...but let's get real...it's
not going to be in the immediate near future...and Chow...well regardless of
what people think of him...he's still the Master... and will remain so for at
least the present until someone totally equals or surpasses the great
acheivements he's made throughout his long career as an offensive genius. Right
now I think Chow has done more with far less talent at Utah than what Doman has
accomplished with far greater talent...but then again he's just a rookie.Rise and Shout
Doman: 1 TD vs Utah1 TD vs Texas2 offensive TDs vs TCU (TCUs
defense is not what it was they gave up 50 points to Baylor and 40 points to
SMU).4 total TDs in 3 biggest games. Looks like someone isn't
nearly as good as Harmon claims.Doman looks completely lost. He
couldn't figure out who to start at QB, and he doesn't even know if he should
coach from sideline or in box.
If Doman somehow does become a good offensive coordinator, BYU will run him out
of town at that point.See: Norm Chow (won 2 National Titles at
USC after BYU forced him out), Gary Crowton (won a BCS title as
O-Coordinator at LSU after BYU fired him), Robert Anae (only been 1 year since
Bronco thought Doman was better than him)
Ernest...get real...You're embarrassing
I'm a BYU fan and here is my list of the top 3 OCs.1. Baldwin2. Chow3. Anae4. DomanIf Doman and Bronco can't
develop Heaps then BYU is in big trouble for the next 3-4 yrs.
My bad. I listed 4 OCs.
BYU#1Agreed with your assessment of Bronco and Doman needing to
develop Heaps as well as the entire offense... but Anae doesn't belong on that
list and in all fairness to Doman he's a rookie...and not a Doug Scovil...who
was BYU's other one time master OC.
It's sort of like asking who is smarter, Larry, Curly, or Moe. It's very hard
to make that decision when you can't base it on results. Clearly, no one
stands out. I guess that you would have to base it on pay in which case Norm
Dear Mr. Harmon,Please take not of the Georgia vs New Mexico
halftime score. Georgia is winning 49-3 at the half over New Mexico State.We all know that in 3 weeks when BYU plays New Mexico State and scores
30 points, you will claim that Doman is the coach of the year. That the offense
was clicking on all cylinders. Just remember that New Mexico State is a
horrible team. Incorporate this idea before you write the article about the New
Mexico State at BYU game.That is all.
There's no doubt that Doman has outperformed Chow thus far this season. And here
I read repeatedly that Chow was going to be the savior of the Utes offensive
scheme. Sorry, haven't seen it. In fact, haven't seen it from Chow since he left
my alma mater USC. The next question begging to be asked is "has the game
passed him by?" Compare the stats over the past 5-6 years. The numbers dont
Dave Baldwin has done the most with the least. Norm Chow is good but he is over
paid on a team that is not getting paid. Doman is learnig which is why the best
prospect in BYU history is on the bench. I think logic favors Baldwin.
Doman outperformed chow? What are you talking about So. Cal Reader?He sure did in the head to head game, oh wait BYU only scored 1 TD. Lost by
44.BYU may have better numbers in a lot of games, but when you are
playing WAC teams weak in and out, and then throw in a horrible Idaho State
team.BYU is 0-3 in real games. Only scored 4 combined offensive TDs
in those games. Great job Doman!!
Hatch and So. Cal-I'll give you both a mulligan. Chow has, by far,
done the most with the least, and he has done it against better teams than WAC
teams(whom both BYU and USU play weekly). Just take a minute to think about how
good Utah State or BYU would do if you took out their starting quarterbacks (and
replaced them with Jon Hayes), depleted half of their offensive lines, and
remove their top offensive playmaking wide receiver. Then go ahead and have them
play Utah's schedule. I'm thinking they average 7 points a game and have a
record of 1-7.
@socalreaderGood call dude, especially when they lost in a head to head
battle by quite a bit if I recall. Not my favorite article to be honest.
Maybe the question could be settled a different way... who would you fire?The calls to fire Doman have settled down since the Cougars have hit the
high school level of their schedule, but there were quite a few Cougar fans
saying "fire Doman" last month.Haven't heard any
"fire Chow" calls from Ute fans. Haven't heard any
"fire Baldwin" calls from Aggies.
Doman is too young in his career to judge. Chow has been measured and found
wanting by too many teams.
"Who has the best offensive coordinator?" The answer is Eric Kjar -
Jordan High School.
"Uncle Rico" "Please fire Bronco" = HedgehogYou're not fooling anyone....Your animosity towards Coach
Mendenhall always gives you away.
@ In StitchesYou have definitely sleuthed that one out. (Not that it
He's always calling for Bronco's job. What's the deal with that?!
Well... Doman did coach up a top ranked high school QB right to the bench... and
his offense did score a jaw dropping 10 points on Utah.... so I'd say Doman is
the best offensive coordinator... right Dick?
Boise beat Georgia 35-21, thank goodness BYU didn't get them on the schedule but
got those other two scrub Gem state teams to play.
"Chow has been measured and found wanting by too many teams."You mean let go by to many teams...
I would give the award to USU's OC. It's not his fault that their defense blows
things for them at the end of the game. Doman is inept and BYU is in
trouble. They have lost games this year, they could have won. Doman doesn't seem
to be able to develop Heaps in this "new exciting and more creative
offense." If Nelson gets hurt, then BYU is in trouble. It's only a matter
of time. Actually the coaches at BYU should all be working at Snow College
rather than a D1 program.Chow is a good coach but hasn't had much to
work with in Hays, but the Utes will get better with more experience and depth
at QB.This year my vote goes to Baldwin.
When I first read this I thought .. only Dick Harmon could say Brandon Domains
name in the same sentence as Norm Chows'! After watching the University of Utah
defeat favored Arizona tonignt as a result of a superior game plan I thought
again...ask this question 20 years from now IF Domain has also become a legion!
Tell Dick that the Utes will be bowl eligible soon enough, best case scenario
8-4, which even if the Y makes it 9-3 means a lot more because of the tougher
schedule and of course the 54-10 win head to head at LES.
this article, and the Doman > Chow comments are hilarious. seriously?! You
all need to know that pretty much every coach gets let go before leaving.
Happens to the best of them. Chow is easily the superior. that's like saying
that an older honda is not as good as a newer kia. oh, and a kia that can't go
faster than 40 mph. byu's success would be the same regardless of the OC. Name
one game they won that they wouldn't have won without Doman?
SoonerUte, Actually, the Fire Baldwin Bandwagon here at USU is
picking up a nice head of steam and is rolling along with quite a bit of
momentum. He's not totally bad, but it's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and
unfortunately Mr. Hyde has the habit of showing up at the most inopportune times
(like the 4th quarter of close games). Fact is, with the offensive tools
Baldwin has at his disposal, the Aggies should be 6-1 right now or maybe 5-2 at
worst, if he would actually call 4 quarters of hard-nosed, D-1 football. Harmon
here incorrectly assesses the losses to USU's defense, which is technically true
I suppose, but without giving the defense a total pass it's worth some serious
discussion that they certainly aren't getting any favors from the offense.
In addition to my last comment, and as an example, when you are down a score in
the 4th quarter on 3rd and 1 or 4th and inches with little time on the clock, if
anyone not wearing the number 6 is getting the ball you are calling the wrong
"Arizona 17, Utah 14: I don't' think John White can carry the offense on
the road against the Wildcats, who have a legit QB in Nick Foles."Uh, wrong again Gordo. 34 - 21 UTAH wins.
Another factor is "who has the best supporting cast?" If
you play offense for Utah, you better be sending "thank you" cards on
a regular basis to the Defense and Special Teams for bailing you out.If you play offense for Utah State, you're only sending the "thank
you" cards through the first three quarters. In the forth quarter you send
them nasty notes with postage due.If you play offense for BYU,
you're sending "thank you" notes to the "D" but more
recently you're sending helpful hints to Special Teams on how to transfer to
Stupid article. Flawed premise. Let them coach the same team in the same
situations and maybe we can venture a guess. Based on history, Chow has proven
himself. If you can't think of a reasonable subject to write about, you need a
A silly column on a pointless debate. Which offensive coordinator is proven
over time with multiple conference and national championships? There's the answer to your ridiculous question Mr. Harmon.