I have wanted Heaps in there. I think his QB style matches the BYU system more
than Nelson.However, Nelson has been very impressive and has been
deserving of the ball each week. If Nelson can lead BYU to a win against TCU,
then I am officially sold and suggest that Nelson is the 'starter.'At that point, it's time for Heaps to redshirt next year.
I'm not real confident BYU can with this one but I think Nelson gives them as
good a chance as they could hope for. His passing has improved quite a bit in 3
weeks and his scrambling and running abilities should drive TCU's defense nuts.
The BYU defense is going to have to have their best game of the year to get this
This game will be ugly. Should play them better than Utah, but could turn bad.
The only difference between this year and the past three years is that TCU is
not as complete of a team on both sides of the ball as they have been in the
past. But that will make no difference this year because quite frankly BYU isn't
exactly a world beater either. This lasest hype over the turncoat QB Nelson
won't help either because quite frankly TCU has too much speed and athletism to
let him have any success against their defense. A pinpoint passer would seem to
be the only way to have a chance against them and Nelson doesn't qualify as
that. Another loss "wonderful ones" is evident!
The early judgement against Riley was that he was not an effective passer. I
have been very impressed by his confident ability in the past five games. This
game looms as the best competetive game of the year--eveN better than the Univ
of Texas game, which we should have won. GO COUGARS!
Tcu will put a beat down on them.
I'm not sure what to expect. If SMU's undersized line can come in and control
the line of scrimmage I don't see any reason why BYU shouldn't be able to the
same and then some. I also don't see TCU doing well against a running QB but,
the game is in Dallas.BYU +10 looks good to me
Looking at those stats over the past 3-years you have to notice the turnovers.
BYU - 8 TCU - 1. If BYU can hold onto the ball, i.e., if Nelson can hold
onto the ball when he gets smacked after running for first downs, and if Doman
makes sure he doesn't call a 2-yard pass to the far side of the field -- see
pick-6 against OSU, then I think BYU will be fine. Hopefully, they
will be hyped and ready to go for this game, unlike in years past when it was,
"just another game." After 3-years of beat downs, it is not
"just another game" it is time that this game get personal and that
the BYU players respond to the challenge.Go Cougs!
It will be interesting to see if the coaches can come up with a game plan that
will give them a chance against TCU. The TCU players and coaching staff have
owned the cougars that last three years. Rise Up coaching staff, to here Bronco
say that this game is just another game is very disappointing. This is not just
another game it is the only game left on the schedule that will provide any
credibility with a 4-2 TCU team. A win by BYU will go a long way for both Riley
Good point about an inept run game in those TCU losses. Shouldn't be an issue
this time with a mobile QB and several capable RBs.Even last year
when TCU was so hot, BYU played them close a lot of the game, but faltered when
BYU's QB was inept.So, I believe BYU's defense and better offense
gives the Cougars quite a good chance of winning this one.However,
get another beat down and I doubt BYU will beat Hawaii and end up 8-4. That's
still a respectable year considering how it started.
A month ago, I would have put the probability of BYU beating TCU at 10%. Now I
put the probability at 40%. TCU still has to be favored, but I think the Cougs
have a legit shot at a W. TCU has not been as dominant as I thought
they would be, and BYU keeps getting better each week. They are both ranked in
the "others receiving votes", which is about where both team should be
based on how they've played.If the game were being played in Provo,
I'd put the probability of a BYU win at 50%.There are several keys
to the game, but ball security is number one. If the turnover margin is equal,
both teams will likely be in the 20's. I'm biased, but I'll predict BYU-27,
TCU-24.I don't sse this one getting away from the Cougs. I think
the outcome will still be in question with 5 minutes remaining in the fourth
I agree that the jury is out on Nelson until Friday night. Beating a 3-4 San
Jose State, a 2-5 Oregon State and a 1-5 Idaho State proves nothing. If he can
do it against TCU then he is legit and deserves to take his place as starting
QB, and Heaps will either red-shirt or transfer (I hope he chooses to stay and
I don't see TCU dominating like they did the past three years. Nelson brings a
different look that TCU has not had to prepare for against BYU. As good as Max
Hall was, he couldn't scramble like Nelson. TCU will not be able to pin their
ears back and blitz as Nelson scrambling ability will make them pay. Nelson is
criticized for his accuracy, but he puts the ball where players can make plays.
If we win the turnover battle, we beat TCU.
@ Cali CougarI do not understand, what BYU system are you talking
about ? Norm Chow has been gone for many years, the coach Edwards era has long
since passed. I am not sure what you mean.The current style is a
balanced between rushing and passing. This has been Bronco's stated goal.The only change up in the offense has been the insertion of Riley Nelson
as QB1. Riley with the same talent around him that Jake had has been the
difference an exponentially phenomenal one. The quicker reads,
quicker foot work and the over all athleticism that Riley has, has inspired the
running backs, lineman , TE, WR's to step up and improve there individual
game.The SJSU was more then likely not a complete week of solid
Riley prep I am sure Jake may have been in the mix for game prep, however for
OSU Riley perhaps had his first full week of practice reps and had the offensive
scheme built around him. With all that said, TCU has been a
formidable nemesis to say the least.
Not only have they been ugly but last year was just totally awesome!!
I am still baffled by all the legit talk about Riley ? Weird double standard
.What is legit about Heaps ? What has Jake done to be qualified as
legitimacy ? Jake wins have all been games against all sub-60 rankings and this
makes him legit ?There are no highly ranked teams that fill up
Jake's portfolio of amazing wins that legitimize his game. So why is there a
double standard ?So if Riley can not do the job against TCU every
one here believes that Heaps can come in and win it ? Really ? I don't think
so.What is legitimate this year in the game with TCU is at least
Riley gives the BYU a fighting chance against a very nasty foe. I would jump
into a fight with Riley on my side any day. Let me ask you all a question, would
you all go into fight with Jake ? Answer no.
@representblueNelson is a competitor.Is he Tim Tebow?No.But like Tebow, when Nelson gets in the game, BYU seems
to play harder.I agree the wins over SJS, OSU and ISU do little more
than add wins to the win column. However, at this point in the season, who
couldn't use an extra three wins?Urban Meyer once said the key to
developing a program is to control your schedule. No one gets to be Florida by
playing Alabama every week. You schedule an FCS, some Non-AQ's, add in
Mississippi, Vanderbuilt and then roll the dice against the big boys on the
schedule.A win against a "soon-to-be BCS" TCU would be
huge, even though TCU is in a down/reloading year. TCU has already lost two
"statement" games (Baylor/SMU) this season. TCU has two more
statement games in BYU and Boise State. It would be hard to imagine
TCU not bringing their A game Friday night.Coach P should be
amazing.Though...TCU did have a difficult time with a
run first QB (Baylor) who could also pass.However... If
BYU turns the ball over, it could get ugly...again...fast.
Coaches must teach better how to recognize defenses, and Cougs must lay it all
on the line...Watch out for TCU tricks...they may try to mess up
your communications, will do anything to beat the Cougs...eat some
green jello, green jello is like poison to horned frogs, so smear some on your
forearms Cougs, its time we put them in a bottle, screw on the lid, and cast
them into the sea!
Ugliness preceeds the dawn of victory.
Look for TCU to sneak their linebackers up to 3-4 yards behind the line of
scrimmage, constantly threatening blitz, but rarely doing so. They really will
just be there to contain Nelson. That will challenge Nelson to throw
over a large offensive line on 10-15 yard throws behind the backers. TCU will
almost completely give up the 25+ yard routes in order to effectively smother
everything underneath, because it doesn't think Nelson can consistently make
those deep throws.BYU will struggle to rush the ball outside of
Nelson's impromptu scrambles.If Nelson can complete a couple of deep
passes early, establishing an accurate pass threat to open up the running lanes
(counter-intuitive), BYU's offense will score, its defense will remain rested,
and BYU can hang in the game.If Riley doesn't capitalize on those
deep passes early, BYU goes 3 and out often, it's defense wears down, and TCU
Many people say that Heaps has the QB style the "matches the BYU
system". I have to disagree. You are stuck on OLD system. LaVell retired
and we ran Anae out of town becuase we did not like his system. Doman is now
the OC. HIS play calling and HIS style is now the new BYU system. The best QB
BYU has to fit what Doman is all about is Riley. Doman was a runner in his
days, so is Riley today. Doman is more comfortable with Riley in and the Wins
are coming in. True the wins have been against snoozers, so I am excited to see
what we have this week. Riley's sytle is now the NEW BYU system under Doman. If
you do not like it, feel free to follow the Utes. They have Chow who will give
give you the BYU offense of 20+ years ago. As for me, I plan to live in the now.
If BYU wins turnover battle, they can win the game.
People actually saying BYU can win this game. Have you forgotten what happened
the last 3 years? TCU has speed, they can run circles around BYU. There is a reason TCU is a 13 point favorite in this one.
What is BYU offense's most effective change? QB draws. QB scramble. QB short
pass efficiency. All Riley Nelson centered.TCU's first priority will
be to contain QB scrambles and draws. TCU is not worried about BYU running backs
b/c BYU rushing game starts with Riley. Hence, they will play to
take away the QB mobility...not blitzing, but containing..forcing Riley to pass
first.Second priority: Challenge Riley's arm and reads. Take away
easy short passes.Clog passing lanes forcing him to roll out, bring
safeties more shallow to saturate coverage on short/medium routes & quickly
pursue scrambles.This will require them to give up the deep ball. In
other words, they are going to force Riley to prove he can make correct read,
and accurate long passes before they will play honest deep coverage. If Riley
keeps them honest, it will open up the offense. If he can't, you'll see 8-9
defenders in the box every play and the offense will struggle.If the
Y offense struggles, the Y defense will fatigue and get shredded in the2nd
Uncle rico suave The present TCU squad is not last years team, in
fact far from it. The defense is new Tank is there but that is about it. Yes
they will be tuff, perhaps the strongest team to date for the "Y" ,
with that said I am not sure if they are much better then OSU ? Maybe any way we
will all see Friday night.
TCU is REALLY well coached and BYU isn't. TCU is really athletic and fast and
BYU isn't. TCU understands how to stop BYU cold and BYU seems to wake up about
mid way through the third qtr when the score is 38-7. I have the
feeling HOWEVER that Nelson is so unorthodox and BYU being a running team now
that TCU will be neutralized somewhat especially with the pass rush on defense.
Can BYU hang with TCU's offense? TCU is a BIG play team so stop the big play and
run the ball effectively and this thing could go down to the wire... or not.
I would take BYU and the points, Doesn't mean I think they'll win---but the
spread is too much for Nelson, et al.
Agree for the most part with patriot's post. Refreshing to hear a
positive spin from him regarding Riley, as I'm taking unorthodox as a positive.
I have never bashed our coaching for multiple reasons, not the least
of which being I played with some of them and know them well. They are good
coaches. TCU may have some more experienced coaches but our staff is very
good.Our boys are more athletic than they have shown this year, but
I agree that if they don't show it this week, it could be a long game.
No doubt a healthy Nelson and effective running game are keys to the game;
however, where's the mention of the Cougs defensen stepping up and having the
game of the year against the Horn Frog's offense? Memo to defense, please
wrap-up on the tackles and prevent the extra 5, 10, 15 yards many ball carriers
have gained bouncing off tackles like a spinning top. Let's go, Cougs. This game
is THE defining game of the season for us. Rah, rah, rah, rah, rah! Rah, rah,
rah, rah, rah!! Rah, rah, rah, rah, rah!!! Go, Cougars!
TCU, Y c's u, got u in their sights, so be nervous...and scared, be very
scared...Y will add another 17 points to their recent games against
TCU, and win, 17-14, as a tremendous contrary wind will whip up negating the
speed of the horned frog 10 sec. receivers, and the football will float
harmlessly behind the qb who flings it. Go Cougars...remember Halloween is all
about...the power of the green jello...
@bighapaare you serious with your statement that tcu isnt much better than
osu?? wow you must be joking. you obviously dont watch football you just guess
things bases on who byu is going to play that week. thats ridiculous that you
just said they arent much better than osu. they played baylor down to the wire.
you really telling me osu is playing baylor down to the wire? i dont think so.
get a clue