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Dick Harmon: BYU football: Scattershooting from Big 12 meetings

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    tcu 37
    byu 10

    I'll love every minute of it.

    Sincerly, your BCS brother

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    Last time we heard that BYU was the top choice to replace Texas A&M, then TCU got the invite.

    This time we are hearing that West Virginia is the top choice to replace Missouri if they leave.

    Maybe this will be BYU's time to get an invite...

  • abang3 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    Lots of interesting info Dick, good column, in that you added more factors that people don't know about. We all know the situation is fluid and no one knows what will happen, but it is interesting to see how BYU fits in with all of the teams . . . and has a good average ranking in the BCS in the last 5 years. Now it's just up to six of the BIG 12 schools to choose BYU. Go Cougs!

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    While many in Missouri wish to hold out for the Big Ten (tried that, didn't happen), Florida president Bernie Machen (remember he used to run the University of Utah until 2003?) is determined that the SEC move to 14 will include AAU schools. Hence the enthusiasm for first Texas A&M and now Missouri since Machen wants more academic relevance in the SEC, and he's been more than willing to do it at the expense of the Big 12 and "big bad Texas."

    Of the 3 top candidates for Big 12 replacements, BYU is by far and away the top academic replacement despite the lack of doctoral level programs (the biggest academic knock against the LDS Church owned & operated school). But the unique requirements (no Sunday play etc...) will likely cost the Cougars BCS league inclusion. Look for BYU to be left out of BCS league inclusion not just this time but for the long run and a possible reassessmentnt of the athletic mission and scaling athletics back to the WCC participation including dropping football.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 24, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    Bottom line, BYU brings big TV ratings with little or no advertising. That equals...cash. PAC 12 let their bigotry get in the way (I'm not throwing around fancy words, it is what it is) and convinced themselves that the u o u wold give them that market. Wrong...everyone knows BYU is king in the state.

    The Big 12 should grab BYU and instantly have the entire Utah market (yes entire, because ute fans watch intently hoping the Cougs will lose), and a huge slice of the National market and I'm not even going to mention the international market for now.

    Utah has to hope BYU never gets invited or else they stand to lose everything, recruits, money, advertising, the list is huge. I know ute fans make fun of BYU for being independent, that's just surface talk, deep inside they know they couldn't compete if BYU goes to a BCS conference.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    Television market size doesn't matter when the Big 12 is trying to survive.

    Missouri has the St Louis market, but for some odd reason Kansas and Kansas State have the Kansas City market.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    @Laser,

    your comments are amusing. you say that BYU is king, and yet more than half of your post is a pre-emptive strike against utah, and utah isn't even mentioned in this article. talk about obsessed!

    If the Big 12 grabs BYU, (which I think they will), it will be a good fit. I am hoping it happens.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    I just don't see BYU ever getting an invite to a BCS conference. Of course, I was positive that Utah would never get an invite either...

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    looks like the Pac 12 has more love as of late for BYU than Utah...

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Why do we always talk about conference realignment? Independance is the best.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    "Instead, the Big 12 presidents "reaffirmed" a plan to have all league schools turn over their TV rights to the league."

    BYU, if this is the case, stay away from the Big 12! Us fans outside of Utah are enjoying watching you play on live TV every week. Going to the Big 12 is taking two steps back.

  • Iheartblood Salt Lake, Utah
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    @SoonerUte

    Except that the Big 12 is forcing all schools to hand over their television rights. So the TV market size is a contributing factor in their decision.

  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    BYU, Louisville and West Virginia may have a bigger TV share but their teams are not going to help your BCS ranking. Oklahoma and Texas are going to have a hard time with strength of schedule with them. A better choice to help out the conference with a good football team is Boise State.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Iheartblood - "Except that the Big 12 is forcing all schools to hand over their television rights. So the TV market size is a contributing factor in their decision."

    The Big 12 members are being asked to hand over their tier 1 (ESPN) and tier 2 (Fox) television revenues. Those contracts are a fixed amount, and have nothing to do with local TV markets (i.e. adding SLC would not increase the contract values).

    Members are not being asked to hand over tier 3 rights, so if BYU were to join and broadcast a game on BYUtv, they would get that money, not the league.

    Again, since contract values aren't changing, market size is not a deciding factor.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    Market size is always a factor, & you better believe it! Boise does not hold a candle to the market size of SLC, Louisville, or West Virginia. Boise State, Air Force, and Navy are reportedly (may be) on their way to receiving an invite from the Big East. Those three teams will not be enough for the Big East to retain their BCS status. But a report indicated that Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State would. Notre Dame already has their not FB programs in the Big East. Add Air Force, and a few others, and you could have an east and west division - 12 teams total. That would be a strong conference.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    @ Chris B,

    That's about on par with Vanderbilt talking smack about being in a BCS Conference.

    The comic relief is great, please keep it coming.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    Continued from previous post: I have a hunch that BYU will get an invite from the Big East before they are invited to join the Big 12. I think they would be a better fit in the Big East and I think they would receive better treatment than they would get in the Big 12. The only downside is the travel. But if they played the 5 other teams in say a west division, played 2 teams say in an east division, on a rotating basis, plus 4 non-conference games, that would be 11 games (12 if they went to the Big East playoff game). Then a bowl game would make 13. That seems to be the norm for many of the BCS teams in conferences that have a playoff. What do you think?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    SLC BYU Fan er, Utah troll

    "Look for BYU to be left out of BCS league inclusion not just this time but for the long run and a possible reassessmentnt of the athletic mission and scaling athletics back to the WCC participation including dropping football."

    You've been spewing this same nonsense for months, but you've never been able to cite one credible source.

    btw, your BYU-hating fantasies are not a credible source.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Utah is officially on the same level, if not lower, than Vanderbilt, Colorado, Duke, Indiana for football.

    BYU 6-2
    Utah 3-4

  • Shawnbo POMONA, CA
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    Great Article!!! Only inaccuracy is that people in Pittsburgh are not exactly West Virginia fans. You've heard of Polish jokes? In Pittsburgh, the joke is always on West Virginians. BYU has a much better market value in terms of television sets.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    Chris B. Sorry if I don't give any credence to your predictions, but you have an even worse record than the Utes. They're about as accurate as the guy who said Bin Laden was in Florida.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    The more I hear of things that have happened, such as BYUtv partnering with Fox at the last minute, the more I believe there aren't any issues preventing the Big 12 from inviting BYU.

    Seems every time someone comes up with a reason why it's NOT happening, something actually DOES happen to dispell that.

    I doubt BYU would be in talks with the Big 12 (like Holmoe has said) if there weren't a possibility of it happening.

    Time will tell, won't it?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    @ rmk,

    That's not how SOS works.

    Just because you can win a lot of mid-major games doesn't mean you'll help a conference's SOS. All Boise State adds is a chance to lose to them.

    The only chance Boise State has of going to the Big 12 is as BYU's traveling partner, and that's not being taken seriously in Big 12 chatter, let alone mentioned much.

    The mere fact that BYU, Lousiville, and West Virginia would be IN a BCS conference with Oklahoma and Texas means that when those two elite schools play these newcomers, they're playing fellow BCS teams! So, no drop in BCS status.

    BEING in a BCS conference adds SOS value to whoever plays the BCS team. Quite simple, really.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    If.......and that's a big "IF", BYU gets invited to the Big 12, BYU will never see a BCS Bowl game in years to come.

    And your faithful BYU fans will still find something to complain about!!

  • myflatsix MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Oct. 25, 2011 3:44 a.m.

    I wish we'd all refocus. Who cares if BYU gets an invitation to join the Big 12? We all need to remind ourselves that the ultimate goal is to dismantle the shameful and illegal monopoly that the BCS is. Mr. Shurtleff, why haven't you taken action like you promised?

    Meanwhile, I'm enjoying BYU Football Independence. I haven't been able to watch this many games in a single season since I was a student at the Y!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 5:10 a.m.

    BYU has 100 million invested in their Broadcast facility alone. They need live programming. I believe they have over 130 live sporting events scheduled this coming year.

    Apparently the Big 12 is asking BYU to relinquish all rights to all of their sports to the Conference.

    BYU has been down this road before. I think this is the major stumbling block. Just can't see BYU going backwards.

    Therefore, BYU, along with Boise, Air force, Houston, SMU, and San Diego St. or CSU should join the Big East as Football members only and re-name it
    "The Continental Conference".

    BYU can then keep all of their Olympic sports and B-ball in the WCC, where there simply will be no hassle regarding Sunday play, BYU will control it's broadcasting rights, the travel is great and the Alumni bases are huge on the West Coast.

    BYU then keeps some control of it's own Brand.

    A Big East (Continental Conference) comprised of...

    Western Division:

    BYU
    Boise St.
    Air Force
    Houston
    SMU
    San Diego St.
    Colorado St.

    Eastern Division

    UConn
    Rutgers
    Navy
    South Florida
    CFU
    Louisville
    Cincinatti

    Keeps BCS status and is a good League.

    WVU goes to the Big 12 (10)

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 5:14 a.m.

    @Honor Code

    And you will still be watching every move BYU makes.
    Obsessed much?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 5:27 a.m.

    @SoonerUte

    If a Big 12 Network is established, as is now being proposed, BYU will indeed lose all 3rd tier rights for all sports to the Conference.

    This is what happened with the old WAC-ESPN deal.

    BYU went from owning their Brand and having every game broadcast to Stake Centers around the World to nothing. BYU fans have waited 20 years for a return to BYU being able to show the Nation and World their games, Live.

    The MWC made BYU wait one year to re-broadcast games. BYU is simply not willing to be at the mercy of "Suits" telling them when and where they can show their own product, hopefully.

    BYU will be foolish to give back what they have gained for their fans. If that means Independence or Football only to the Big East, then let it be done.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 25, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    Second most watched TV program over the weekend? And the game wasn't even going to be televised a week before?? Crazy! I'm not sure BYU will be willing to go to the Big 12 and give up TV rights even if they were invited.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    crisb;
    That prediction would be a big improvement on the 47-7 game in SLC last year wouldn't it?

    How is it being in last place, 0-4, in the worst division in the entire BCS?
    How is it to know that U are a longshot to make the NM bowl this year?
    How is it to know that the highlight to your entire season is a victory over a team you said was irrelevant and not deserving of attention from U.
    How is it to know that your obsession will be ranked much higher than U in the final polls this year?

    Keep up the smack, the comedy is refreshiing.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    After the problems with the Mountain West tv deal BYU will not release tv rights to the Big 12 or any other conference. If that is part of the deal BYU will turn down an invite and choose to remain independant.

  • Unlucky HEBER CITY, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    BYU's leadership doesn't want BCS Conference. They have it exactly how they want it. Play some hard games at the beginning of the year and lose, put a bunch of easy games at the end and win. BYU fans then believe that the team has turned the corner and will win all games the next year, thus asuuring high season ticket sales every year. If they went to a BCS Conference they would lose alot just like Utah and ticket sales would drop. Both fan bases are fickle and would bail after a couple of rough years. BYU knows they can't compete well against the big boys and never will. They can make alot of money as an independent plus have a full stadium, go BCS make the same money but have alot of empty seats. That is the problem they face.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    Honor Code:

    "IF, BYU gets invited to the Big 12, BYU will never see a BCS Bowl game in years to come."

    Much like your precious Utes, Arizona, and Colorado in the Pac-12.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    West Virginia would be a good fit for the Big 12 - big school and rich tradition. Louisville - not so much. Not a great football program and sort of thought of as a second tier type school in all but basketball. I think BYU would be a better addition to the BIG 12 simply because of their national following and the fact they sell out all home games regardless if they are playing Idaho State or Notre Dame. The Y should really try hard to get into the BIG 12 even if it means relaxing their TV deal.

  • Coyoteghost Saint George, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    @myflatsix

    "Meanwhile, I'm enjoying BYU Football Independence. I haven't been able to watch this many games in a single season since I was a student at the Y!"

    Absolutely! It has brought me back into the BYU fold. And with the Jazz out to lunch, that is going to include basketball as well.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 25, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Does TCU get a vote? I'm not sure if that would be good or bad for BYU.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    "tcu 37
    byu 10

    I'll love every minute of it.

    Sincerly, your BCS brother"

    I wouldn't say BCS brother as that's not giving enough credit, I'd say Rose Bowl champion BCS brother. They have earned their stripes, there is no doubt about it.

    That being said, I think there is a good chance BYU wins Friday. The Dalton / Kerley show that absolutely killed BYU is no longer around. I also remember watching a much smaller OL (SMU) come in an control the line of scrimmage against TCU...

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Those who are saying BYU would never get to the BCS even if they join the Big 12, and those who are saying they will never get an invite to join the Big 12, are largely the same delusionary football fans that said Utah would go to the Rose Bowl this year.

    How does that crow taste?

    And how is it that you know the future? (You surely didn't know how the mighty utes were going to fare, dd you?)

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    "West Virginia would be a good fit for the Big 12 - big school and rich tradition. Louisville - not so much. Not a great football program and sort of thought of as a second tier type school in all but basketball. I think BYU would be a better addition to the BIG 12 simply because of their national following and the fact they sell out all home games regardless if they are playing Idaho State or Notre Dame. The Y should really try hard to get into the BIG 12 even if it means relaxing their TV deal."

    Patriot - Louisville appears to have fallen out of favor for probably the same reasons you stated.

    As far as your last sentence - While I would like to see BYU with better BCS access, I would be surprised to see the school scrap a $100M investment to fit in with a framework (BCS) whose future is in question pretty much every day.

    I'm not claiming BYU is ND or anywhere close but, they do have fans all over the world now able to watch games and mostly live at that. Joining an AQ league would probably cut that off almost completely.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    @ Bluto,

    You really think BYU would be better off in a mid-major'd Big East than being independent? That's silly. Look at who BYU would fill the schedule every year---the old WAC/MWC teams. YUCK!

    I also doubt there's enough history in that "Continental Conference" to maintain BCS status. The Big East has already lost most of its better teams, especially if the Big 12 expands to 12 with the addition of Louisville, West Va, and Cincinnati.

    Even a front-loaded independent road is WAY better for BYU than being in the Little East.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Honor Code;
    Now that Utah has been invited to the PAC, Utah will not see a BCS Bowl game in years to come.

    And your faithful Utah fans will still find something to complain about!!

    Last place in the weakest division in the 4th best BCS football conference.
    Keep the smack comin.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    @ WON84

    If joining a BCS Conference would jeopardize in any way our ability to see the Cougs on a weekly basis, we should opt for remaining independent. We have endured too many years of the MTN and limited ability to follow BYU to give it up for an occasional opportunity to play Oklahoma or Texas for a Big XII championship.

    @ Henry Drummond

    A TCU vote would be a bad thing since Coach Patterson has no love for the Cougars. Probably a moot point since TCU is still a member of the MWC and will not join the Big XII until July 2012.

    @ Bluto

    Pretty certain that you are incorrect about BYU having to give up any third-tier rights (BYUtv)as a prequisite to joining Big XII. As long as Texas is allowed to keep their TLN rights, BYUtv should be safe.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Oct. 25, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Laser, you are right on. Lots of people tune in when they think BYU may lose. That only boosts the ratings, making BYU look even better followed than they are (let's face it, they have a world-wide following). This is when it bites haters even more. Hate seriously does nothing for you.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    BYU will be a strong candidate to join the Big 12 if and only if Missouri leaves. If they leave before the 2012 season then BYU is the only team that can come in immediately and fill their spot on the schedule. If Missouri stays for 2012 then the Big 12 could look at C-USA or MWC teams to replace them in 2013, but not Big East teams since the Big East exit clause requires 27 months advanced notice and the remaining Big East schools would absolutely hold WVU or Louisville to that like they are doing to Pitt and Syracuse. The way I see it, WVU and Louisville are only options to get to 12, not 10. That puts BYU in a favorable position.

    The most interesting part of this article was seeing how much TV revenue the PAC missed out on by snubbing BYU because of their left coast, liberal bias and religious bigotry. The U will NEVER be able to bring in as much TV revenue for the PAC12 as BYU would have. Look for schools like Oregon State, Washington State and the Arizona schools to continue scheduling BYU because of all the TV exposure.

  • Fubecao Bellevue, WA
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    I guess I'm in the minority, but it's good to see that I'm not alone in preferring independence over membership in the Big 12. Membership in a BCS conference doesn't guarantee you'll play in a BCS game, and even if you do, who cares? Illinois, Cincinnati, and Wake Forest have all played in BCS games, and what has it done for them? Give me schedules with heavy doses of Notre Dame, Utah, Utah State, Boise State, and Hawaii, and then a variety of elite and not-so-elite opponents from around the country that I can watch on TV every single week. Give me other sports on BYUTV (I loved watching women's volleyball with my daughters last week). I'm not delusional enough to expect the football team to go undefeated - if they're 10-3 every year I'll be a happy fan. Viva la independencia!!

  • CoachWinWA POULSBO, WA
    Oct. 25, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Prediction as to how the conference realignment is about to go.
    BIG 12 is about to deal a blow to both the PAC12 and BIG East.
    The BIG12, tired of being raided, and worried about not becoming one of the 4 "Super" conferences, is about to make a BOLD move.
    Mizzou is worried once the SUPER conferences come, the BIG12 will be broken up again.
    To keep Missouri, BIG12 comes up with a bold, final move to solidify the conference for the long term, bind all the teams with very restrictive TV rights assignments and becomes the first SUPER conference and starts the dominoes.
    I believe they are planning to be the first to 16 teams. In the process, crippling both the PAC12 and the BIG E.They grab WestVirg, Louisvle, and Cinci. BYU and Boise also get invites to join the new BIG 16 party.
    There are few teams West that "fit" the PAC 12. OU and TEXAS lock down the BIG 12 long term as a "Super" conference of 16,where does the PAC turn? San Diego State? Fresno State? Stuck with mediocre teams, Super 16 doesnt look so bright for the PAC in this scenario.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    54-10 means BYU fans really need to be quiet, given that they want TV more than the chance to fight for a championship.

    (BYU alum.)

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    @SoonerUte - "Again, since contract values aren't changing, market size is not a deciding factor."

    You are only taking into account the current contract. It has already been determined that if the Big 12 expands, then TV market will be huge because it will impact the new contract for the Tier I and Tier II revenue.

    SoonerUte is correct that the TV contracts only apply to the ESPN and FOX contracts. If BYU was to join the Big 12 and they had a week where they would not be playing on either ESPN or FOX, they would be able to broadcast the game themselves, and maintain the revenue the revenue received for that game.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Another article by Dick Harmon in which he spends a lot of words to tell us that there is no news on this issue.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    There is news and it appears that WVU essentially has the Big XII invite in hand. Mizzou is also going to go to the SEC. Harmon just keeps us in his fantasy world. All of this is very bad news for BYU athletics, unless the Church wants to significantly reduce the importance of athletics at BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    CoachWinWA:

    "I believe [the Big XII is] planning to be the first to 16 teams. In the process, crippling both the PAC12 and the BIG E.They grab WestVirg, Louisvle, and Cinci. BYU and Boise also get invites to join the new BIG 16 party."

    Haha! What desperate, frantic and emotional fantasy you have there. Not gonna happen. No BCS invite for you. You barely escaped Utah State.

    Here's what I believe will more likely happen:

    The Big East snaps up Boise St, Air Force, SMU, Houston, SMU, UCF, and Navy. If the Big XII grabs Louisville, Cincinnati, and/or West Virginia, the Big East replaces them with So. Mississippi, Temple, E. Carolina and/or Tulsa. The Y's pool of potential mid-major opponents dwindles even further. So more future WAC opponents for the Y. Luckily for the cougars, the WAC will be adding Texas St. and UTSA to help offset the loss of those other aforementioned potential opponents.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    "@ WON84

    If joining a BCS Conference would jeopardize in any way our ability to see the Cougs on a weekly basis, we should opt for remaining independent. We have endured too many years of the MTN and limited ability to follow BYU to give it up for an occasional opportunity to play Oklahoma or Texas for a Big XII championship."

    I think the Salt Lake Tribune summed it up well in stating that media partners had issues with BYU wanting a guaranteed No. of appearances, no Sunday play, and the rights to broadcast any games not part of tier one on BYUtv.

    TCU and WV are easy adds. Both were desperate members of a sinking ship who came with no demands.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    @Naval Vet, still hiding in the corner while the big boys do their thing?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    Chris B,

    You keep taking a beating, and keep on ticking. Thanks! You're predictions bring good luck.

    The Cougs will play a BCS game before Utah. Pac-12 teams will love the utes, as it's a for sure win, and you'll be smelling roses from the out house.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    ESPN is reporting that West Virginia has received and will approve an invitation to the Big12 and that they expect Mizzou to leave.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Oct. 25, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    re: naval vet;

    yes- BYU 'barely escaped' usu this year, but luckily for u- u don't have to play usu this year- because, I'm pretty sure they'd do to u what they did to wyoming. That must be the real reason you don't want to play usu anymore, huh?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 25, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    @worf
    "The Cougs will play a BCS game before Utah."

    In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, Utah has already played in a BCS game. Twice. And won them both. Next, please.

    @wyoming cougar
    "That must be the real reason you don't want to play usu anymore, huh?"
    BYU beat USU (barely). Utah clobbered BYU. I'm pretty sure Utah isn't losing any sleep over USU in football. And your quip about not scheduling USU is misguided, too - in fact, Utah's commitment to keeping USU on the schedule will likely come at the expense of the BYU game. I guess that will take another BCS team off BYU's schedule and force them to schedule another WAC team.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Hey Cougar fans want to get off the Big 12 BCS rollar coaster?
    Google search BYU 2013 football Schedule.

    According to ESPN:

    2013
    Scedule

    Home Games in place:
    Texas
    Boise State
    Georgia Tech
    Utah
    Away Games in Place
    Hawaii
    Utah State
    Notre Dame
    Houston

    Currently under consideration to Fill out schedule
    Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State

    I can live happily with schedules of this quality and divsity.
    Forget the BIG 12 garbage. We got a good deal going.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin,

    worf was obviously talking about going forward---Utes in Pac and BYU indepdendent OR Big 12.

    If you want to talk about history, try CONSENSUS National Champs! AND, all the other awards BYU players have received over MANY years, none of which the Utes can profess.

    Let's stick with going forward, as that's all that counts now that both BYU and Utah have new digs.

    I'll give ya 54-10, BUT 6-2 vs 2-5!