All I read in newspapers in Big XII cities is that the pecking order for
replacements is Louisville, W. Virginia, Cinncy and then BYU. But if the Big
East can hold their schools for 3 years and the Big XII needs a 10th team next
year, BYU could be their best option. My gut feeling is that it all depends on
how much a buyout by any of the Big East schools could be negotiated to release
them for next year. That will prob be explored before BYU is analyzed.
The suspense is killing Ute fans.
When BYU gets invited to the Big XII, it will be DOOMS DAY for Chris B and all
of the other Ute "fans".
It's like a soap opera but for football fans. Everyday a new twist on the same
nonsense. I'll be glad when its done because if we don't get a
resolution soon I will have to enter a rehab center for my "BYU to the Big
12 addiction." If there is a story on the Big 12 I can't help but read it
for any scrap about the Cougs."Hi my name is Joe and I'm a
Conference Realignment addict.""Hi Joe"
I believe BYU is the B12's first choice, but BYU comes with some baggage - no
Sunday play, BYUtv, ESPN Contract, the need for exposure, etc. Will the B12 and
BYU be able to negotiate and reach common ground, or will the B12 go the easy
route like they did with TCU?With losing Missouri, I think the B12
needs to get back to 12 teams or risk losing TV revenue. TAMU and Missouri draw
a lot of eyeballs to TV. TCU, while a great football program the last six
years, does not have a large fan base. WV has average size fan base.
Louisville has a strong BB following. Cincy has a small fan base. The economics will force the B12 to negotiate with BYU. BYU's fan base would
be second in the conference only to Texas, and on par with Oklahoma.
Okay, here is the deal straight from the MidWest. Missouri will not leave the
Big12, mark it down. Their boosters and fan base love the rivalry with Kansas.
Nebraska left because they were the red-headed step child with no real rilvary
when Oklahoma was in the south division. Colorado was, except for a couple of
years, a mediocre team at best. Y fans, stay independent, control your venues,
as most of the Big12 cities are terrible, especially if Missouri leaves (Kansas
City is a terrific city).
Wait, what ever happened to the Great Independence team of the future?Band
of Lil Brothers touted Independence as the greatest move in BYU history, next to
signing Jake Hypes.Question; Why will Louisville and West Virginia
be invited next week to the BIG 12? Because they're not BYU! (Dick's words not
mine).Oh BTW does Holmoe still have a job down there? Continues to
make a mess out of a once was GREAT athletic program.Hang in the
Band of Lil Brothers.
When the Y doesn't get invited to the Big XII minus IV, will it be eat crow day
for Portland Trial Blazers?
BYU JoeGotta give ya that, that was good.Made my day.
@ CougFanin: Economics force the Big12 to deal with the Y? Seriously? The
Big12 does not need the Y, rather, as many Y fans believe, the Y needs the
Big12. In my opinion, and you are entitled to it, neither party wants to give
up fundamental elements that have made them both fairly successful. BYU with
its no-Sunday play (how much hypocracy would exit if the Church permitted this
to go away??) and the Big12 with its b-ball sunday tournament final.
@ Wookie,Last I heard, the Big 12 hasn't done a Sunday BBall
tournament in several years.Sunday play is NOT an issue with the Big
12 for including BYU. If it were, Holmoe wouldn't still be talking to the Big 12
people. Right?Think about it. Let it sink in.
@ Still Blue after all these years,I think you hit the nail on the
head. BYU's in if Missouri leaves and joins the SEC for 2012, because of the Big
East waiting period to leave it.UNLESS, like you pointed out, there
can be some legal wrangling or payoff to circumvent leaving before that 27 month
waiting period.The soap box continues.Guess we'll be
hearing from the trolls for awhile longer while waiting for official word from
Missouri then whether the Big 12 can yank Big East teams early. Heh.
@BYU JoeGotta agree with BleedRed, excellent way to put it. Thanks
for the laughter.
RE: BYU JoeI'm right there with you. You expressed my
thoughts exactly!Wish I could give your comment 1000 recommendations!
Excellent use of cherry-picked talking points, Mr. Harmon.Here is what you
left out:The Missouri board also gave the chancellor the authority
to STAY in the Big 12, and sign Missouri's television rights to the league.None of the Big 12 members has yet signed the deal which would stabilize
the conference. If Missouri leaves, the league could find replacements, or the
league could shatter.
Just gotta love the number of utah "fans" that wait for every single
one of these articles as if it was their next fix of smack. LOL!There are more of them hoping, praying, agonizing that BYU won't get in than
there are BYU fans that want to get in. I absolutely love reading their
Wow Mr. Harmon. Another Big-12 article/hopefest. Makes me yearn for Jimmermania.
@U4meWill Whit and Chow have jobs after going 0-4 in the new
conference? How about two failing programs for your AD?Basketball
anyone? How many coaches are on the payroll and not working?Can we
say 'train wreck'?
Maybe the government will regulate it, as they do everything else. A new CZAR
in the white house perhaps, or a new agency...
@Whatsinitforyou: 30 teams play on Sunday in the upcoming 2012 basketball
schedule. You're right, sunday tourney games have concluded for now, but
regular season is riddled with Sunday play. Think about it, see if it can sink
in. Sunday play in the MidWest is acceptable. Not sure about Orem, but it is
throughout the US. @Duckhunter, looks like you are back commenting
on stories that have no foundation, only a glimmer of hope. As I've said to you
before, No Big12 offer will come to the Y. Get used to hearing that.Independence is much better for them anyway, there is a reason why it was so
"smart" to start with months ago. Seems like everyone is jumping off
of that bandwagon already and you aren't even half way through your season of
Even if Missouri files a departure notice letter with the Big 12, is it a sure
thing for the SEC to accept them given their "real" desire is to be in
the Big Ten? All it will take is 4-5 "NO" votes and Missouri goes
nowhere since their departure letter will likely be listed as
"conditional."There clearly is groundswell to get back to
1ratherer than stay at 10, but it might not happen as quickly as many would like
to think. If thconsensusus is to get back to 12 within 2-3 years then look for
the Big 12 to cover themselves for the possible loss of Missouri by inviting BYU
next week, then deal with the consequences if Missouri is unsuccessful with it's
SEC application.I now fully expect everyone at LDS Church
headquarters to be on board with this move even though some might not like it,
or BYU being in a high profile league. Samuelson, Worthen and Holmoe go in
there with a full blown Big 12 invitation for BYU...it will be approved.
All I can say to this is DUH! Anyone with clear concepts of reality knew that
this was likely gonna happen. The Big XII commissioner may have been very
foolish in saying they would stay at 10 teams.. Yet, at the same time not
foolish at all in that he committed the conference to filling any necessary
voids immediately to keep himself from being a liar.... Can't say with any fiber
of truth that I didn't see this coming! And in fact, if you go back on one of
the articles from the past month I said as much as jake2010
Whether Missouri leaves the Big 12 has no bearing on BYU. After the shuffling of
conferences and conference members settles, BYU will remain independent. If any
conference seriously wanted BYU, they would have taken them by now. But they
haven't. And there's no talk of including them in even the weakest of the AQ
conferences (Big East).BYU reminds me of Charley from the old
Starkist tuna commercials. Charley tried his best to be attractive, but Starkist
never would take him. So it is with BYU. Some might be willing to dance here and
there with them, but none of the big guys (AQ conferences) wants them as a
permanent partner--no matter how hard they try to prove their case.
RE: MapleDonDon't be a hater.
There are 3 teams ahead of byu in going to big 12....not going to happen..
Why do I have a feeling the only way this storyline ends is somebody gets
clocked from behind WWE-style with a steel chair with announcers screaming in
the background, "Oh my...that's Tom Holmoe's music!"
this whole byu expansion talk has been all smoke and mirrors. holmoe even said
the big 12 has yet to extend an offer. don't get me wrong, i think byu deserves
an invite, if it ever comes, and obviously they'll take it, but leave it to
harmon to be the first to hit the notepad when he sees news about the big 12
come across espn's twitter feed.remember when byu to the big 12 was
a done deal? it's not.remember when the big east was considering byu?
they weren't.remember when the pac 12 tried to get 16 teams last year?
they didn't.remember when the big 12 was all but finished a few months
ago? they're not.remember when the mwc and conference usa decided to band
together? no one cares.all i'm trying to say is i'll believe all of
this conference realignment and movement next summer on july 1st when deadline
for all of this garbage is over. until then, i guess all we have to look
forward to is reading dick's tri-weekly column about byu getting into the big
@ Wookie,Why would BYU be worried about Sunday play except for
tournaments? Just because some play regular conference games on Sunday, doesn't
mean they'd require BYU to do so. So, there's nothing for my mind to sink
into.Posters who keep bringing up the Sunday issue are just trolls
grasping at straws in hopes it'll keep BYU out of the BCS. Tough!
I'm married to a die hard husker fan (not his home state) who also cheers for
BYU and Washington Huskies and me, a Ute fan. I don't see all the hoopla with
the conferences etc. When I was a kid, Nebraska and Oklahoma were very big
rivals just as bad as byu/Utah. When Nebraska left for the big 10 the foundation
@ university of Nebraska had to pay big bucks to get out of the big 12.
Originally for several years, the huskers were in the big 8 and there were no
Why do you keep setting yourselves up? Now Monday is the day when a
big announcement will come. Then when it doesn't, BYU fans will start blaming
the administration for not making something wonderful happen.Don't
do this to yourselves.
High hopes for BYU! Go Cougars
Wookie from Nebraska is out to lunch. I live in Columbia where my wife attends
Mizzou. The Tigers are leaving, mark my words. That's why the board gave Deaton
carte blanche to do all the paperwork. The folks in Kansas City are sad, but
the majority of Mizzou's fans live in the St. Louis area and they are ecstatic.
The Tigers would rather re-establish a rivalry with Arkansas than maintain the
rivalry with KU (sounds kinda like the utes in Utah, doesn't it?)Neinas has been playing to keep Mizzou, with his public comments about how
it's too late and the league is staying at 10. I believe the Big 12 will invite
BYU and Louisville to expand the tv markets. However, they may be playing with
just 10 teams next year if the Big East fights to keep its members from leaving.
It would be great exposure for BYU to join the Big 12 (and they should do it)
but it will be sad to have the Big 12 continue without Mizzou.However, we'd love to see the Cougars come to Kansas and we'll be there to
cheer them on.
@wookieI don't want BYU to join the big12. I want them to stay
independent and have posted that on here about 1000 times. I just enjoy seeing
the angst it's cause utah "fans" like yourself. I honestly don't know
which group is suffering more over all of this speculation, the BYU fans that
are insecure and want in or the utah "fans" that are even more
insecure and are in absolute agony over the possibility BYU might get in.LOL!
BYU just needs to focus on beating a team with a winning record. Then focus on
beating a ranked opponent. I'm afraid if they get to the Big 12, they might end
up like Utah...winning NO conference games.
If Missouri leaves all the stars will be perfectly aligned for BYU to get an
invite. If they dont get invited in this scenario they never will. We can jump
right in and fill the void in 2012. It would be perfect. If they don't want us
in the perfect set up they never will. Which they may not. They may not want to
go west. They may not BYU and their special accommodations. Who knows and not
being invited may be ok. But it does seem like it's now or never for BYU and the
Big 12. Assuming of course Missouri actually leaves this year.
BYU should stick to being INDEPENDENT and schedule those Idaho State conference
games every other weekend. This just makes the Cougars look better in the W - L
column.........Rumor has it that most MWC schools don't miss BYU!!!