"It's definitely there. We're just dominating right now."Sorry, Mr. Hoffman, but dominating is far from the right word. Are the
Cougars playing better? You bet. Would they beat Texas if they played them
again right now? Or even Utah? Hard to say; especially Utah since the Cougars
are still turning the ball over too much.But they are playing better
now than they did at the beginning of the season, especially on offense. I
fully expect them to finish the year strong with, hopefully, no more than 1 loss
(I expect them to lose to TCU; and there is a possibility of a let down against
Hawaii. Wouldn't be the first time, right Mr. Doman?) A strong finish and good
performance in the bowl game would be great. But they need to figure out how to
start the season better.
BYU will hit their stride when the following two things happen:1.
Get a consistent, top-notch QB with enough experience to perform when he's at
the helm.That could be Nelson, finishing out his BYU career; could
be Heaps if he finally loses his fear of contact; could be Lark; or, who knows?
But, SOMEONE has to step up because NO college team can succeed with a subpar
QB.2. Get a top-ten quality defense.Something's missing
in this year's defense. Many possibilities, like lack of CB talent to allow more
blitzing, or lack of will by Bronco to blitz (afraid of allowing a big play), or
lack of overall defensive talent (I doubt that one), or something. Whatever it
is, BYU needs it. The defense has been a great disappointment compared to the
shut-down defense we fans had expected.TCU and Hawaii are the only
remaining teams left on schedule that should have any chance of beating BYU.
Both away games versus decent talent.Win those, and maybe next year
won't be as disappointing. Depending on those two issues.
Mid season stride, that is what is left of the season. Oh well 20/20 hind
site.Lark is a senior so he is done after this year. That being said
Lark should get to start against ISU, jake wont learn anything more by playing
against the Bengals, so why not let Lark play.
The Cougars' real bowl game this year will be the TCU game. The horned frogs
are the toughest game on the scheduled -- including any team that BYU might face
in the long list of irrelevant bowls.Going to Hawai'i would
constitute a bowl trip, I guess, since it will definitely be the most enjoyable
location at which the Cougars will play this year or next.The two
big remaining question marks for the Cougars are, "When (not whether)
Nelson will get hurt?" and "Will Heaps transfer to another school in
order to get playing time since Nelson has one more year of
eligibility?"My prediction is that Nelson has a one in four
chance of making it past the TCU game without a serious injury. Heaps will come
back in and look good for a game or two, and we shall then see at the Hawai'i
game whether the Cougars really have made any progress.Other than
those questions, I think
Strength of remaining schedule????
If beating poor teams and losing to reasonable and good teams is hitting a
"stride", they're hitting it hard.
BYU's biggest problem is they waisted a year babysitting Heaps. Well, that seems
to be over now and Nelson has made watching fun again. Next problem is this
independent experiment. Holmoe couldn't sell the Big12 on BYU, let's see if he
can sell the fan base on independence. He has had a tough time being successful
outside of playing football. Hopefully he can change that. Jury is out.
Independence will be successful if LES stays full. It will be a failure if it
doesn't, plain and simple. LES would need expansion in the Big 12. Do we have
the best executives we can find guiding BYU sports? Jury still out. I will be to
the game Saturday cheering the cougars on.
"Walking with a swagger?" Bwahahahahahahahaha! BYU ONLY scrapes by
teams with losing records, scheduled for a handful more of poor WAC/Big Sky
teams at LES and "that" is impressive? Oh my goodness? Can it get
anymore pathetic? BYU has slipped into abyss forever. I hope the crew that makes
all the decisions in SLC will drop BYU athletics. It is a very sad state of
affairs at best in the 21st century. I can't wait for the TCU
game............what a spectacle that will be. Goooooooo Frogs!Why
isn't the Idaho St. game on at prime time on Saturday? BYU is such a
"storied" program, like Notre Dame no less!? Hahahahahahah!
High School schedule. Way to hit stride.
Man, you guys are flat out awful!"If, not when he gets
hurt." ANY player has a chance of getting hurt, including a true pocket
QB. Riley is riskier, but also tougher. Give it a break."If
beating poor teams and losing to reasonable and good teams is hitting a
"stride", they're hitting it hard." No, we lost to an awful
team, and we are doing better than that now. Would you be happier with,
"We THINK we are hitting our stride, guess we'll find out in Dallas."
Give it a break already."- including any team that BYU might
face in the long list of irrelevant bowls." You do remember that the
"long list" consists of precisely one bowl - the Armed Forces bowl?
The article reminded you, in case you forgot. Would require reading...
This "stride" will fet fans into a lather. Should win the rest except
TCU and bronco will stay onas coach.
@ Big Hapa: Lark is a Junior
I love my Cougs and what the team & program stands for, but come on. Talk
and even mention of BCS in articles is so premature. Of course the offense is
hitting its stride because of the weakened schedule they've been playing over
the last 3-4 games. Let's see how they do against TCU. That will be a real test.
With the schedule our Cougs have, which I understand was the best we could do
for a first year of going independent, we've got to strengthen the schedule by a
long shot and dominate the schedule to even be considered in the same breath as
BCS. Oregon State and Washington State isn't going to cut it. We need the upper
echelon of the Pac 12-- USC, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona State. With that being
said, I couldn't be happier being bowl eligible after the beat down of Idaho
State this Saturday. The Armed Forces Bowl will be just fine this season.
The TCU game will be the toughest game the Cougars will have this year. If they
are able to stay in that game and possibly even win, then I will say they have
improved quite a bit from the beginning of the year. The Hawaii game may be the
same to some degree but we will have to see what their record is at the end of
the year. Nelson seems to be the biggest reason for the increased level of
success. Hopefully he can continue to improve. Shouldn't be hard with the
exception of the two games mentioned above.
What is in the water in Utah County folks? In all honesty, there is no other
sports team in the world where the coach(s) and players spew such continuos
erroneous hype and ridiculous optimism to "sell" their existence like
BYU football does. It is almost sick, really, but it remains the best
entertainment of all-time without question.........including Y fans as well.
CrAzY funny it is. THANKS BYU!!!!!
mgr63: Trolls need to put others down to deflect their own situation.Are
you really going to base your Ute's season on the BYU win? Who on the U schedule
the rest of the year has a winning record? Do you really want the "crew
that makes all the decisions in SLC" to drop BYU athletics? Really, besides
Montana State, BYU is the only team on your schedule that you've beaten that has
a winning record. Your justifications make no sense.
You'll never know BYU's potential until they play someone other than patsies.
Idaho State?? And they'll doubtless lose to TCU. Given, this is the first year
of independence so they had to grab anyone willing to stick their head above the
log. But "hitting their stride" this year will mean little...if
"Swagger." Worst sports word ever. But I admit my old
spice deodorant is called swagger. Does that make me a hypocrit?Exciting. TCU and Hawaii always show up to play when it comes to BYU. BYU
Could be 9-4 after the bowl game.
James Lark is a good friend and an unfortunate stander by this season. He worked
on his delivery in the off season and it showed as he stepped up in early
workouts and made an impact. We all remember the optimism regarding his status,
"most athletic QB ever at the Y" stuff that was being thrown around.
He and Riley are close friends, a great story in and of itself. In fact, James
initially instructed Riley on the medical redshirt rules which allow Riley to
repeat this, a junior season. Had the redshirt not been granted, Riley would be
playing this year as a senior and James might then have had his senior season
next year to take over the offense. Nothing is etched in stone yet other than we
know Heaps needs to develop. I love watching Riley Nelson run the show. He is a
man and a true leader, but I would love to see James Lark get a shot to show you
all the stuff he's made of. I think it would be a treat!
Now is when we begin are national championship run. we can still win it this
year because were pretty good now.
@SCCougar, yes I agree.......Utah, in a rebuilding year, injuries everywhere has
struggled. However, the U lost to some very good teams and were in every ball
game until the turnover bug destroyed them. As we look at the season thus far,
Utah has/will have 4 "cupcake" teams on their schedule......Montana
St., BYU, OSU and AZ. BYU has/will have 7. I do think Montana St. could beat BYU
however. BYU's lil' run in the late 20th century is over........back to
mediocrity is their destiny.
@Counter Intelligence, Sir, you are correct. The fun reading this blather is
hilarious as heck though.........you must admit.
mgr63"the U lost to some very good teams and were in every ball
game until the turnover bug destroyed them"The same thing could
be said of BYU, unless you don't consider Utah to be a very good team. BYU was
in both games, before losing a close game at Texas and getting killed by the
turnover bug against Utah.Get over your hatred. It's not healthy.
Ute trolls are out in force. I think they are worried whether or not they will
become bowl eligible. Don't worry, I have faith that U'll reach 6-6 and qualify
for the New Mexico Bowl where you'll battle a 7-5 Wyoming Cowboy team. That
could be the game of the year. I too would like to see what Lark
can do, but let's keep the momentum going with Nelson. Hopefully, we'll get a
big early lead on Saturday and we can see Heaps play the 3rd quarter and Lark
play the 4th quarter.I'm hoping we'll redshirt Heaps in 2012 to
focus on his development. I still believe he has a lot of potential, but he
needs to develop and mature. The future continues to look bright at QB U after
an early misstep this year, with the following starter and back-up.2012 - Nelson, Lark2013 - Heaps, Hill2014 - Heaps, Hill2015
- Hill, Mangum2016 - Hill, Mangum2017 - Mangum2018 - Mangum@mgr63Colorado and UCLA are not cupcakes?
Is everyone serious with them playing better? Yes, the team is showing more
energy behind Nelson than they did for Hypes, but come on. We have been through
all of this already. They even talked about it ad naseum on all the radio shows.
This is a product of their very weak schedule. Nothing more. If they would be
playing teams like AZ St, Washington, Texas again, Houston, etc. they would be
losing and have the same results. Are we going to say the same thing again next
year when they lose to the good teams to start off their 2nd independent season,
then beat all of the lower teir WAC, Conference USA, and MWC teams? BYU has been
playing more as a team since Riley took over at the helm, but they are still
just getting by the easy teams. If they played Texas again, they would probably
lose, and same with Utah. I doubt they would have as many turnovers, but the
result would be the same. A win for the UTES.
@LonestarRunner, the score was 54-10, a COMPLETE beat-down......and the U didn't
quit like BYU did with a totally healthy team. The U lost their gimpy starting
QB, had to start a kid at QB that only arrived to the program this fall, new
starters everywhere(young squad) and an O-line that has been decimated by
injury.......that's how they lost. Texas is horrible, had 3 different QBs
against BYU, Ole Miss is a disaster and if that frosh didn't drop the wide open
TD pass BYU would have lost. BYU won in a miracle against Utah St., UCF should
have won and San Jose St was right there as well. BYU is a joke!Millions despise BYU........the unhealthiness resides within "U" and
your ilk.......it is called "martyrdom."
The TCU game will tell us everything we need to know about the cougars this year
can Riley carry the team to a win over a two loss TCU team. Riley and Alisa have
changed the way the team is playing regardless of the quality of the teams.
Before Neilson came on Heaps was ready to give USU back to back beat downs. Can
the coaches and players step up and win against a good but down TCU team???
Don't forget BYU is projected to play SMU in the Arm Forces bowl. The same SMU
team that beat TCU already this year. If the team does not beat TCU a 9-4,
record is likely. Hawaii will be no gimmie in Hawaii; they will be ready to
renew the past rivalry with the cougars. With wins over TCU, Hawaii and a bowl
win over SMU I will consider this a good start to independence despite the
start. 9-4, 8-5 will be a big disappointment.
KamUte High School schedule. Way to hit stride.At least
BYU is hitting a stride, Utah is hitting a brick wall...sorry.
@mgr63:Dude, it's just a game. Take deep cleansing breaths, close
your eyes, imagine yourself on a beach somewhere ... Hawaii, right? Find your
happy place. Ahhhhh. Isn't that better now?
Hitting their stride??? Look who they have played the last 3 games - Utah State,
San Jose State and Oregon State... and what is the combined record of these 3
teams??? Most teams would hit their stride with this sort of competition.
mgr63 "Millions despise BYU........the unhealthiness resides
within "U" and your ilk.......it is called "martyrdom."
Are you kidding me? Didn't the New York Times just report that BYU has twice as
many fans as Utah does? Maybe you should do a little bit of homework before
spouting off more of your hate.Every case you made of a BYU game could be
made for the Utah games as well. "woulda shoulda coulda, turn over bug,
etc..." seems to be the mantra of both teams. Isn't it the same for any
team that loses?
It is time to stop comparisons between Utah and BYU. Utah has not beaten a good
team in the last two years. They are a bad team and will get worse. BYU is
trying to find a QB and leader. They're improving with Nelson.The
schedule looked a lot better in August than it does today. Ole Miss, Texas, TCU,
Oregon State, UCF, and Utah all looked like a good SOS schedule. Alas, all those
teams are having a down year. That happens.The WAC teams on the
schedule are a necessary add, given the loss of the mighty MTN teams. CSU,
Wyoming, Air Force, et al. would not have strengthened the schedule that much,
if at all.But remember the Boise State strategy. Beat a few name
teams and smash the WAC teams and get your BCS bids. Utah is finding out that
the PAC12 is over their heads. The Big12 would be a tough match for this BYU
team. Oklahoma, OSU, KSU, et al. would beat either BYU or Utah like ugly
stepchildren this year. If BYU can join the Big12, go for it. Otherwise, stay
Indy and win. Nuff said.
mgr63 | 8:41 a.m. Oct. 19, 2011 And BYU was very much "in"
the Utah game until the turnover bug got them. Why don't you worry about your
own sorry Ute situation? like no offense at all, so what if White the 45th
carries a 100 times for 550 yards and all you get is 3 points . Your D is going
to have to win most of your games for you. I still don't buy into the mighty
PAC-12 factor, yes ASU, Oregon, USC and Stanford are great teams but after that
the other teams are pathetic and would lose to teams from the WAC or Big12 etc.
BYu only lost by one point to Texas who's Sagarin is #18 SOS #4!! higher than
any Ute opponent. Since you Utes love the Sagarin.
BlueHusky | 10:39 a.m. Oct. 19, 2011 Amen.
mgr63The joke is on fans of a certain PAC 12 newbie who were so
arrogant that they assumed they could waltz through the PAC 12 south with a
gimpy starting QB and JC transfer backup QB that nobody else wanted.After an 0-3 start, you're against the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best teams in the PAC
12, you're forced to use a game where your opponent imploded with 7 turnovers as
the sole highlight of your season.It's actually quite comical to
watch the BYU-haters trying their hardest to tear down the only opponent that
gives the U any credibility in their first PAC 12 season.
No BSC bowl. No conference championship. That's a big YAWN for me. We played
Utah too early. Not much really to look forward to except a less potent TCU.
Can we flash forward to next year? At least the opposing teams will be more
interesting. But even then, Armed Forces Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl?
What will be next? We have a long way to go as an independent to get in a BSC
bowl. Even if we do great next year, it's doubtful we would be invited. We
would need to establish several years of consistent success to do that.
I'm surprised that mgr63 is posting about cupcakes. He mentioned that Arizona
and OSU are cupcakes. His is on the hook now. I wonder what kind of excuses he
will make if Arizona and/or OSU beats the Utes. BTW, most consider
Colorado and UCLA as cupcakes as well. California is on the cusp.So
mgr63's Utes should win each of those games by at least 3 or 4 touchdowns.
Let's all watch and see if that transpires.
Air Force has had a pattern of wearing down as the season goes long, attributed
by some to the rigors of officer training. BYU has a pattern of starting out
slow and ending with their finest performances. Perhaps it also could be
attributed to the type of regimen they go through as students. Perhaps as they
get more comfortable with their classes, schedules, they become more efficient
in other ways as well. It is probably also due to the approach the coaching
staff takes to each season.
Can you imagine the fun if they were not "hitting their stride"! Then
I really would not get any work done, reading all the drama! Love it!
BigRichBYU has as much to look forward to as Utah, winning the
remainder of their games, qualifying for and winning a bowl game, and improving
a still very young team to be even better next season.Is there
really much difference between playing in the Armed Forces, Poinsettia, Kraft
Fight Hunger, or New Mexico Bowls?Outside of the BCS championship
game, none of the other bowls means anything. How many fans could name the
winners of the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose Bowls from 2007?
jarka-rus | 10:41 a.m. Oct. 19, 2011 "BYu only lost by one point to
Texas who's Sagarin is #18 SOS #4!! higher than any Ute opponent."The Y also only won by 1 in Ole Miss who's Sagarin is #85 you can't use this
logic both ways."And BYU was very much "in" the Utah
game until the turnover bug got them"Ole miss was up the entire
game until the turnover bug got them and their QB drops the ball on the ground
late in the 4th, agaain you can't use this logic both ways
Really Byu fans? How can you talk trash to a team that completed dominated you
54 to 10. It wasn't just a close game, Utah completely dominated in all phases
of the game. Utah left no doubt who has the superior team on the field. In my
opinion Montana State is better than Byu. After re watching both games i think
Montana State would beat the cougars. Furthermore, for all the Cougars who are
making fun of Utah's schedule. The Cougars would be 0-6 right now playing Utah's
schedule. There is no way Byu would of beat Pitt last week. Looking at Byu's
schedule I don't know how Utah wouldn't be 6-0 playing that weak of a schedule.
The label "cupcake" is getting thrown around alot, but there is no
official definition of what constitutes a cupcake on the schedule. So as a Ute
fan who, like Jarka-rus points out, respects Sagarin's ratings, please allow me
to use them to qualify Utah's and BYU's schedules:Utah: thus far
has played 3 top 30 teams, 4 top 60 teams, and 6 top 90 teams.Utah:
scheduled to play an additional 2 top 60 teams, 3 top 90 teams, and 0 teams
worse than OSU at #115.BYU: thus far has played 1 top 30 team, 2
top 60 teams, and 6 top 90 teams.BYU: scheduled to play an additional 1
top 60 team, 2 top 90 teams, and 3 teams notably worse than OSU's #115.To date, Utah has played the 9th toughest schedule in the nation. BYU's
schedule is ranked #60.I don't believe that BYU has to apologize for
this season's weak schedule - they had to throw it together late as a result of
leaving the MWC. But BYU fans should be very cautious about measuring their
team's progress against this season's opponents, and poking fun at Utah's
schedule makes you sound silly.
@ Blue Husky Girl"Utah is finding that the Pac 12" is over
their heads".On the contrary, Utah is finding where they belong
in the Pac 12. They are not as good as the top 4 and they are not one of the
bottom 4. Utah is landing the recruits to compete with the top 4. The difference
is in the backups. The defense has played well in every loss but when you are on
the field 60% of the time, you are not going to be successful. Utah will end the
season going 5-1 through the rest of the year and end up 8-4. Utah's needs are
qb, left tackle, taller receivers. Utah has two 6-5 receivers that transferred
from other schools on the team next year, Utah just signed four highly recruited
linemen this month and we have commits from two highly recruited qb's and will
probably land a very good jc backup quarterback at some point. The defense will
always be solid at Utah.
@ Utah'95,Nice work to compile those stats. Shows what I'd
originally thought.I posted at the first of the season that the Utes
had the tougher schedule over BYU, and for that reason would have a worse record
by the end of the year.So far, that's proving true.
How sad...The majority of the post for this article are ute fans
trying to tell BYU why they are worse off then they are. Like lipstick on their
own pig makes theirs look better.I thought about writing a rebuttal
to them...then I remembered, I no longer care what ute fans
think.Your opinions mean nothing to me anymore.
With 4 cupcakes + TCU, the Y should win 9 games and will call the season a
"success." Pity as they will not have beaten a top tier team during
the season. If Heaps rides the bench the rest of the season, look for him to
transfer next year.
Easy to hit your stride when you do not play anyone. This schedule is one of the
weakest in all of NCAA DIV IA football.
Last season Utah played three decent teams: TCU, Notre Dame, and Boise State.
The Utes lost all three games by a combined score of 101-13. Utah only scored
one TD and that was against TCU during garbage time when the score was 40-0 at
RES no less. This season Utah again has only played three decent
teams: Washington (22), Arizona State (24), and USC (28). Of course, Utah lost
all three, and will now fight for the Pac 12 table scraps with Wash St, Arizona,
Oregon St and Colorado.Kudos to the Utes though---they did defeat
BYU. The measuring rod of a good season.
As a BYU fan I have to disagree with the title of this article, BYU isn't
hitting there stride, they are just playing really bad teams now.
It's borderline hilarious and sad that Ute fans are pointing to their victory
over, and I'll admit it, a struggling BYU team as their signature win of the
season. This from a fan base that has "moved on" since joining the
Pac 12 and repeatedly claimed that "BYU is irrelevant". The more
things change, the more they stay the same.Let's face it everybody,
neither team has performed up to the expectations this year. Both programs
might as well be building momentum for next season.
U < YYou understand the irony of a Utah fan using that display
name, don't you?
SoUtHappaMakes all sense in the world now! Do I accuse you of being
Riley or James cousins now? Lol
Idaho State, TCU, Idaho, New Mexico State and Hawaii Well, 1 for 5
isn't too good. One legit team (TCU) out of five remaining games. What in the
world is BYU playing Idaho teams for? What's on the schedule for the future...
Dixie and Snow college???
"Easy to hit your stride when you do not play anyone."Pitt
3-4 #61Cal 3-3 #59OSU 1-5 #115Ariz 1-5 #106UCLA 3-3
#55WSU 3-3 #71Colo 1-6 #107BYU 5-2 #57 Obviously, BYU
would fit right in the middle of the PAC.If the Utes don't beat
every opponent remaining on their schedule by at least 40 points, we'll know
that the Utes are either regressing, or their win against BYU was a fluke.
Interesting Facts about Heaps and Riley's Defenses Rankings in Pass Defense
Efficiency/ Total Defense:Heaps: Ole miss: 64/ 106, Texas: 12/ 30, UCF: 4/
3, Riley: San Jose: 79/ 94, Oregon State: 112/ 75.Utah State: 55/
33. In terms of competition Heaps has clearly played tougher defenses
along with an inexperienced offensive coordinator calling the shots. I'm
just saying its an interesting point.
San Jose St, Utah State, Idaho and Idaho St, New Mexico St, Hawaii...6 games
with some of the worst Div 1 teams in the country. Are the Idaho teams even
division one??? Holy cow, BYU Football is a joke. While BYU is facing those mean
Idaho and New Mexico st teams Utah is playing week after week Pac 12 teams. The
U has struggled with injuries but honestly which program is headed up and which
is headed for the dumpster? Nice job Bronco and Tom. Way to bring such national
excitement back to Provo. I guess with a 5'10" starting QB whose longest
throws are of the 5-9 yard variety you ought to be happy to be playing such
pathetic competition at this point in the season. Maybe if all goes well the Y
can play in the Armed Forces Bowl!! Wow, talk about the big stage!! Perhaps
intramural football would be funner to watch.
BYU is a national "cupcake" and has been for 15+ years! Congrats!
patriotWhat in the world is Utah playing Montana teams for? What's
on the future schedule, Montana Tech????
Let's be real here folks, had the Y beat Texas and the U I think we could say
the they were a team on the rise and I would expect them to be ranked as well.
However, BYU was destroyed by Utah and lost to Texas so even a win over TCU
wouldn't get them close to the top 25. BYU really has to upgrade its schedule if
they want to be taken seriously as an independent. Idaho and New Mex St aren't
going to cut it.
It's nice of our little brothers to drop in to compare schedules; once a little
brother, always a little brother.The highlight of their season is
beating a team that has been a "national cupcake" for 15+ years.Hillarious!
Dear Byu, you're schedule is a joke, of course you are "hitting your
stride", you're playing bad teams. Ps I hope Idaho State beats
you, wouldn't that me great.
patriot"which program is headed up"0-3 in conference
and 3-3 overall, with wins against the Montana pee wees, Byu and Pitt. Yep Ute
logic.I guess if you are on the bottom the only way to look is up, I'll
give ya that.And hey Ute fans if you are so bent on cupcakes, then
why don't you return your two BCS trophies, I seem to remember plenty of MWC
cupcakes those years. And you had to get lucky against Air Force and TCU in 08.
Oh and on the 08 schedule you will find, Weber, New Mexico, UNLV, what USU???
CSU, San Diego, hardly a powerhouse schedule at all. Please. don't sit here and
act like all you do is play top 10 teams every year.
I don't get the U fans. You talk about how bad BYU is, WHY do you keep bringing
up 54-10, if BYU is that bad, stop bringing it up and i would start focusing on
your own team, they need it.
patriotOh yeah and Michigan in 08 was an abysmal 3-9 team that you
had to barely squeak out a win against. So barely beating Ole Miss(2-4) this
year in the SEC on the road isn't a bad accomplishment if you asked me.
@ Christy BYou are right, BYU would fit in the middle of the Pac 12.
However, while I have season tickets to BYU I also root for the Utes. I want
both schools to do well. I want BYU to do well so that more big time college
football will come to town. I like sitting in LES to see the big names. I loved
it when USC and ND came to town it was a great atmosphere. I will be at RES when
USC and Stanford come to town. I am not a fan of Nelson because I believe he has
no long term upside. It is easy to hit your stride playing lesser competition.
There are big problems with BYU football right now. The future is looking dark.
That does not help scheduling. Beating SJSU and ISU doesn't help either, but
things can be turned around. Am I "true blue" or a "Utah
man?" Nope. I don't have a dog in that fight, but I will spend my money
@jarka-rusThe most laughable thing about your comment (4:24) is that
BYU had roughly the same schedule in the years before, during and after and
still was not good enough or (lucky enough as in '84) to do anything worth note
at all.No worries BYU is hitting their stride so all will be
well....maybe.P.S.If we are talking about returning trophies
for bad schedules, perhaps we should revisit 1984 - don't you think.
The claim = BYU needs to upgrade its schedule if it wants to be taken
seriously.Facts = This is the first year of independence and Holmoe
had to take what he could get. That means playing lesser teams in some cases.
For future schedules, the opponents are "better" (or, at least, they
are more respected programs nationally; not necessarily better on the field).But don't let the facts get in the way of your hatred. To all the
Anti-BYU-Utites, have a nice day.And a nice day to the real Ute
"Hitting their stride" is one way of saying it. I say there are
playing better, but against a weaker schedule.Riley Nelson does make
a difference. His energy feeds the team's passionate side of their attitude more
than anything. I think this is often the case for BYU. They have some motivated
guys that need a kick start. Probably due to the amount of adult
responsibilities many of them (players) have already taken on in their young
lives.Oregon State was the Cougars best game so far.I
think Utah and BYU are about the same, with Utah a little better. Not 54-10
better, but still better. BYU's schedule is a snoozer from here on
out except against TCU and maybe Hawaii.Utah's schedule doesn't let
up. They do have the weaker PAC 12 foes all coming up. Is Utah in over their
head? I am 50/50 on that. With Wynn, Devonte Christopher, and Dalin Rodgers out,
it's a challenge for Norm Chow to restructure his offense, one trying to digest
what is new anyway.John White IV is a solid RB, but he can't carry
the ball 36 times again. Utah's defense is their rock.
"It's definitely there. We're just dominating right now."Well, for a "dominating" you sure had your hands full with Oregon
State and San Jose State Mr. Hoffman.
sccougar Yes I stand corrected James is a junior. I was confused
with Riley's medical red shirt that allowed him to get his Junior season back
sorry. Hey Bytheway, James was the one who informed Riley about the
medical red shirt post FSU injury option, strange that his coach's did not.Thank heaven's for small favors.
It's funny how BYU always hits their during their stretch of playing flat out
bad teams. I feel for the BYU season ticket holders the most who work hard to
pay for tickets to watch horrible competition.
Uteanymous,Considering that EIGHT of BYU's twelve games this season
are against teams that are currently ranked below Montana State, and FOUR of
them are against teams ranked below the University of Montana, one could say,
"When is BYU going to get brave enough to schedule some teams from
Montana?"Any objective observer recognizes that by moving up to
the Pac-12, Utah's football schedules will be tougher than their previous MWC
and WAC schedules. Even with Arizona, Oregon State, and Cal struggling more
than most expected, they are still more dangerous than New Mexico, Wyoming, and
Colorado State typically are.BYU's situation is quite different.
Their recent departure from the MWC left them few opportunities to play
opponents who have historic credibility. It's one thing to have a few easy
opponents scattered throughout the schedule, but to go into the season knowing
you'll face five of them won't win many votes on the national scene. Then to
have two more of them turn out to be surprisingly bad......I expect
BYU to finish 9-3. It's always a good thing to win 9 or more. I hope the Utes
can get 8 wins.Good luck, Cougars!
mgr63Your Pac12 is not good they have 2 good teams the rest
mediocre. Oregon and Stanford yet when they play a good team from another
conference they lose. Texas would have beaten everyone the Utes have played this
year so far. The ONLY reason Utah beat BYU like that was 7 turnovers 2 for
touchdowns. If that had been reversed then it would of been BYU 54 and Utah 10.
Lets face it those who've never played the game and look at a game like that as
a beat down even though they didn't do much without the help of a turnover. Just
ask the Ute players with Washington and AZ state, you can't get momentum when
you keep turning the ball over and it all goes to the other team. The first half
of that game is more indicative of the caliber of the teams, with BYU out front
without the gift touchdown. You can't have it both ways and say Utah lost
because of turnovers then have a different philosophy when it goes the other
Listen people what do you think the BYU can do when this time of year all other
teams are smack in the middle of there conference play, no team would want to
schedule with an independent now at this point in there seasons. Yes
BYU and its announcement of it's intention to become an independent was made
rashly, without many programs able to rearrange set schedules, that had been
planned out and scheduled years out with other schools. Thus rendering BYU into
a very hasty and desperate position to take what was available. So now we have the 2011 season it is what it is and you fault finding,
conspiracy theorists, piling on voyeurs and out and out BYU haters you are all
simply annoying pimples.
Utah'95"EIGHT of BYU's twelve games this season are against
teams that are currently ranked below Montana State, and FOUR of them are
against teams ranked below the University of Montana, one could say, "When
is BYU going to get brave enough to schedule some teams from Montana?"Only one of Utah's remaining six PAC 12 opponents is ranked ahead of
BYU, and that team just barely:#55 UCLA........#57 BYU#59 Cal........#61 Pitt#71 WSU#106 Ariz#107 Colo#115 OSUFeel free to point out which of Utah's remaining six
opponents the Utes shouldn't be able to handle easily. Afterall, the Utes beat
the 2nd highest ranked team on that list by 40 points; or was that just a
fluke?Sorry, I'm not buying that Utah's remaining PAC 12 schedule is
all that difficult.#32 TCU, btw, is ranked just below #30 USC and
The football team doesn't "stand" for anything. It's just a football
Marked It Down,If you're trying to fight with an "arrogant Ute
fan," you've got the wrong guy.The Montana jab (which is
statistically accurate, by the way) that obviously upset you was made to rebut a
comment made by another reader.Please respond to what I wrote, not
what you THINK I meant.Do I think that Utah's dismantling of BYU by
44 points was a fluke - the win wasn't a fluke, but the blowout certainly was!
Turnovers/mistakes by BYU played a HUGE part in that game. If those two teams
played ten times, 8 of them would likely be decided by 10 or fewer points. Utah's remaining games are against #s 55, 59, 71, 106, 107, and 115. In
the remaining five games, BYU will face #s 32, 82, 131, 149, and 218. The
difference isn't subtle. You're right, the rankings suggest Utah
should win out, but each of them has more athleticism and depth than most MWC
teams (what the Utes are used to seeing week in and week out) have. Any of them
could trip up Utah. I would be shocked if BYU doesn't win 8 or
more. Utah would be fortunate to win 8.
lanius | 5:12 p.m. Oct. 19, 2011 Thanks for validating my point, 08 you
got "lucky" several times. Michigan, AF, TCU, Alabama(tons of players
out and no heart to play). Guess your just not lucky this year, just bad. But it
doesn't matter what you think, 1984 National Champions in the history books.
bballjunkie,Both, or neither. You choose, as it would be an honor to be
related to either James or Riley. They are honorable, mature and tough young
men. Hope you get that bitter pill down!