FAith is not fair game only character. Anyone who has belonged to any faith
knows people they would not associate with. So faith in and of itself is too
narrow. it always comes down to the person.
I disagree... A local radio host in Arizona was railing on Mitt Romney during
the last election cycle, saying that he needs to answer questions about his
faith. I called the show to challenge his points. When I talked to the call
screener, I was met with a bunch of classic anti-mormon arguments. On air, they
were attempting to sound like they simply wanted questions answered, but when no
one else was listening, they were just looking to smear a religion. There are so many other people running for office who belong to various
different religions... Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Jewish,
Lutheran, 7th day Adventist, etc... why don't they have to explain how their
faith would affect them, but we do?
It's tough to figure out where the line is but... there are some things that
might affect a voter's view. If a church, for example, had a strong anti-semitic
stance then a candidate of that faith would have that be a legitimate issue to
Jewish voters. After all, there are some LDS voters who have voiced in these
discussion boards that candidates like Huckabee last time or Perry this time
lost their votes (or chances for their votes) because of things said by them or
their surrogates that seemed anti-mormon which is a faith-based rejection of a
candidate (oftentimes not solely faith-based, but that's still a part of it
nonetheless). So there are legitimate faith related questions and concerns that
can come up.
Questions about the faith are fair. Smearing the faith are not - and that is
what the majority of those bringing up the faith issue are doing.
The writer here obviously isn't sharing the same view of Obama? Obama never came
clean of HIS FAITH, only that he did attend a odd doctrined church in Chicago
led by one Reverend Wright, based on Black liberation Theology. He slipped in an
interview talking about his "Muslim Faith", but nothing was made of
that, he couldn't even produce a VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! No Certified State
Seal, and questionable Etching on the boarder which could appear
"Doctored". He changed his name to an Obvious Muslim Name, his
Indonesian records state him as a INDONESIAN CITIZEN, not a US CITIZEN, and his
religion as "ISLAM" not "Catholic" which was the school he
attended where the laws of Indonesia at the time required lessons in ISLAM! Yet
there is no big push into Barack Husein Obama's Religious Background, or his
true citizenship. Yet here is a man who was born in the states, raised in an
AMERICAN BASED FAITH, served a faithful Mission, was an EAGLE SCOUT, has been a
governor, organized a very SUCCESSFUL OLYMPICS after scandle recognized and he
took over, speaks a foreign language, successful businessman, as well as he's
had REAL JOBS! Yet Media attacks Him??? Get Real!
"why don't they (other candidates) have to explain how their faith would
affect them, but we do? "Let me try. - main reason
- The LDS believe that their church is run by a Prophet. They believe that this
person gets revelation directly from God.Many of the LDS that I know
are extremely obedient(in my mind, to a fault) to their Religion and their
Leaders. They take guidance in virtually every aspect of their lives. So, if you are a STAUNCH follower, and the person you believe to be a
prophet of God, tells you to do something, how could you possibly ignore it?Now, do I believe that Romney or Huntsman would bow to a call by church
leadership, or that church leadership would MAKE that call in the first place?
NO, not a chance of either. Secondly, "you are a peculiar
people" . Your religion is more "different" than most religions
that people are familiar with. It would be the same with a JW or a
Scientologist. Just the way it is in the Big Leagues.People
"think" they know about the other candidates religion. Therefore no
"I'm also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It
is the only faith I have ever known, and it's all I've ever wanted to know. I
suspect the same is true of Romney."It is the only faith I have
ever known, and it's all I've ever wanted to know - Maybe that lack of culture
and ethnocentrism is what keeps people from wanting to like Romney.
@CougarKeith,"Yet here is a man who was born in the states,
raised in an AMERICAN BASED FAITH, served a faithful Mission, was an EAGLE
SCOUT, has been a governor, organized a very SUCCESSFUL OLYMPICS after scandle
recognized and he took over, speaks a foreign language, successful businessman,
as well as he's had REAL JOBS! "American Based Faith - is this
a prerequisite for office? America is a medley of different faiths so stop
acting like Romney's LDS faith makes him an heir to the throne. You just stoke
the fire for White Horse prophecy comments.Served a Mission - a
conversion mission is not a charity mission and doesn't garner the same
appreciation and respect.Eagle Scout - Good stuff there although it
means absolutely nothing to a presidency.Foreign Language, Business
Success, Olympics, Governor, etc .. - that's all good!Just cleaning
up your arguments for Romney since a few were completely irellevent and only
stated YOUR reasons for liking him, as opposed to true principles on why he's
good for the country.
CougarKeith | 1:58 a.m. Oct. 18, 2011 Roy, UT "The writer here
obviously isn't sharing the same view of Obama? Obama never came clean of HIS
FAITH, only that he did attend a odd doctrined church in Chicago led by one
Reverend Wright, based on Black liberation Theology. He slipped in an interview
talking about his "Muslim Faith"...." Your rant is
exactly why one should not listen to the hate filled talks of the extreme left
or right. Every thing that you addressed are lies of the right. The anti-Mormon
community is doing the same thing as your comments. If one wants to be treated
civilly, one must treat the opponent civilly.Don't give into the
lies of either extreme. Show courage and filter out the wacko comments.
Concentrate on the policy issues. Those are the only ones that should count.Don't give into the hate.
It's interesting that so many people have so many ways to justify hating. I
think if we disagree with someones politics, that's one thing. But using
religion for political gain is wrong. Especially when you are lying about
someone not being a Christian. I could easily vote for a Jew or an evangelical,
it's not so easy to vote for a person whose Christian church curses America, but
I would have done it if I didn't disagree with so many other things about Obama,
but I really can't vote for someon who thinks I'm a cultist and intentionally
misinforms people about me.
It seems Romney is much more comfortable and compatiable with the Koch brothers
than with most Mormons.
All this religious bickering needs to stop. We are a Democracy not a Theocracy.
All this is proving exactly why our constitution says religion and politics need
to stay out of each others business. But now we have religion pretending to be
politics. This is a very dangerous situation. It was said decades ago that when
Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
Well, it looks like we are almost there.
I like your answers. I still stand by my reasoning that a candidate should not
be asked about his or her religion, especially in this day and age where
information is so readily available from the source itself, if people are so
First, this writer is confusing a person's personal values (character) with his
religion (or the church he attends) - the first is relevant, the second is not.
It is fair to ask a candidate about his values or how he makes decisions, but he
or she should not be asked to explain or defend the teachings of his church or
pastor (the constitution prohibits it). Second, for an elected
official to base his governing decisions on his religion is wrong and is the
first step toward becoming like Iran or Saudi Arabia. That's why Rick Perry is
so scary and why Mitt Romney says it's not an issue - he knows he must represent
and work in the best interest of all Americans, not just those that share his
religion. The Lord will reign when He comes - in the meantime, he
has told us to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."
To LValfre regarding Romney serving a mission and working for his Eagle Scout
try to look behind what these achievements represent, that help everyone:
keeping to a strict schedule as a young person, making and keeping appointments,
meeting new people, being proactive, learning many new skills by deadlines.
Perhaps that's what the poster meant. Many people put these two life
achievements on their resume, and are proud to do it.
@ciaobello,I'm well aware of the character building traits and
habits that can come from doing either or, just as in playing sports or being
involved in various other groups or organizations. To state them as valuable
for the presidency? Ludicrous. Nobody without basic skills such as discipline,
self management, etc etc etc are every going to even make it to be a candidate
let alone get elected. I hold my ground that it was completely irrelevant. CougarKeith was stating his reason for wanting Romney in office, which
had to do with being in the same church among other factors, as opposed to why
America needs him.
Integrity, honesty, civility, family values, fidelity in marriage, self
reliance, Love of God and his 10 commandments the basis for US law, hard
working, attention to detail, compassion for the suffering, lifting others
without hurting them. The values that Mitt Romney stands for are rare indeed in
today's world. These are the values of liberty. Tyranny which we have had way
too much of lately, is what we get if these values are boring to us.
It does not matter how people try to spin it, the LDS/Mormon religion is very
different from other religions and cultures.The confusion seems to be with
those who have experienced, primarily, the LDS/Mormon culture. Many of our
parents had us attend many Churches of many different religions as we grew to
adulthood. We would accompany our friends and their families. Our parents wanted
us to have these experiences in order that we might be able to make an
educated/spiritual decision on which religion suited us the best.When
discussing this subject with "one of us", we will tell you that the
LDS/Mormon religion !S definitely very different from any other religion.I
am not saying the LDS/Mormon religion is better or worse from other religions.
However, to one who has never been in the LDS atmosphere, Church, General
conference, Temple, etc., LDS concepts are difficult for many to understand and
I agree with Jason Wrights opinion. When asked about his religion, Mitt Romney
should talk of how it informs his political and world view. Nothing to be
ashamed of. It would be a shame however if Americans voted based upon all of
the false nonsense one hears or reads about Mormons. Let the truth get out
there and the votes fall where they may.
%Ross; How is it that you feel Romney is different in the aspects you outline
from other prominent politicians. They all put on a good face, it is their
success of public contribution where they differ, and Romney has not shown any
exceptional success or abilities that would distinguish him from the others, or
what we presently have.
Was Mitt born in Mexico?
At least Obama is Christian and most people can relate to that. Mitt religion
seems very alien to most. His religion will be his downfall.
@m.g. scott,"It would be a shame however if Americans voted
based upon all of the false nonsense one hears or reads about Mormons"Please expand. Every time I hear a call out to the non-sense it's things
your prophets actually did or preached.
@cougarkeith"He slipped in an interview talking about his
"Muslim Faith", but nothing was made of that"Because
people heard the context around it and knew he was referring to the
"supposed Muslim faith" others thought he had, and then messed up by
not using the word supposed. "VALID BIRTH
CERTIFICATE!!!"There's still people who believe he wasn't born
in Hawaii? Okay, let me rephrase that... there's still people who openly believe
he wasn't born in Hawaii?
A Sunday School teacher I had when I was a teen decades ago had us do an
exchange with friends of ours in other churches and share with one another the
beliefs of our various religions. LDS people in my city were at the time few and
far between, relative to here. It was something I believe we could all benefit
from, since the last couple of years have shown some less than educated behavior
by adults who I would have thought were a bit more enlightened. It reminds me
somewhat of the old idea that Mormons had tails and horns. (I think converts and
their kids were exempt, which explains where mine went.) So either too many of
us are reverting to primitive supersitious mindsets or are just plain frightened
of what we don't know and need to do some learning. The only other possibility
is even scarier--some of us who really do know differently are afraid to tell
what we know because we don't want to deal with being made fun of--or worse.
Patriotism to the United States ought to define the platform of an American
presidential candidate. Let the candidates demonstrate their commitment to the
U.S. Constitution upholding the sacred provisions of rights and freedoms.
Strengthen America by building up Americans, not humiliating, ridiculing
religious beliefs, or using bullying tactics to suppress a freedom worker's
liberties. Every candidate exhibits tremendous courage by seeking nomination.
Keep the courage by focusing on the most troubling issues facing Americans'
quality of life. Show the real and meaningful way in which he or she will
benefit America by serving in its highest office.
I may change my mind before November 2012, but in this latest campaign run for
POTUS I lost much respect for both Huntsman and Romney in their wishy washy, at
best lukewarm, responses to their membership in The Church. Wasn't expecting
(nor thinking wise) to use their political platform for missionary work; but,
nevertheless their responses have not reminded me of LDS people I know who are
may be shy and tongue tied to answer questions, but never ashamed of their
After the love-fest article he wrote about Glenn Beck, I can't believe anyone
would give this writer/advertiser any credibility. @watcher@75Do you mean the conservative version of patriotism? Must everyone
express their conservatism exactly the same?
The religion-card being played here by Rev. Jeffress and other Perry supporters
is not a question of values, character, or faith informing our decisions. It is
about ginning up opposition to a presidential candidate solely because of the
specific religious denomination of the candidate.This IS religious
bigotry, and the answer to religious bigotry is not for us, as the voting
electorate, to say, "well... it's OK to ask someone about his
faith...", "yeah, we ought to explain how our faith informs our
decisions", blah, blah, blah.We ought to simply explain that we
Americans don't put up with bigotry of any kind, and we should expect that
anyone running to be our President should disassociate himself/herself from
individuals steeped in religious bigotry (eg. don't take campaign money from
them, condemn their actions, etc.)Romney, by the way, has given an
inspiring faith speech already. Go back an re-read it.
I notice atheist Christopher Hitchens (who is currently dying of stomach cancer
from having drank and smoked his entire life) is saying society should fear the
Mormons; amazing how the supposedly most "wise" among us are, in
reality, the most foolish.
@Brent T.Where have you been? Mitt has NEVER been shy or wishy-washy
about his LDS faith. Mr Romney has tried to stay on message during this
campaign when so many folks try to derail him from his most important campaign
theme: the ECONOMY. NO, Mitt has clearly and decisively stated his position as
a staunch and firm Latter-Day Saint.
I agree with the author. The ONLY questions about a candidate's religion that
are fair game relate to "how will his/her religion affect his positions on
various bills, foreign policy,economics, etc.". If Mitt were Moslem, I
think we'd all be asking those questions, with big exclamation points. How
about atheist (still a religious belief system)? My question is "why don't
Americans question the ultra-radical evangelicals more about how their religious
beliefs will affect the way they govern"? I think that there's more issues
there, than with a Mormon.
I so agree that Mitt Romney would be wise to talk about how his faith affects
his decisions in the way that Mr. Wright opined. An individual's religion should
not be an issue. How he lives his religion and how his religion affects the
decisions he makes and who he is should be an issue.If a Catholic candidate is
pro-abortion, I would guess that his religion does not affect his decision on
the issue and that he does not adhere closely to his leaders' teachings and that
he is not true to his faith. To me, the character of an individual is a vital
issue and if a candidate does not stand true to what he professes to believe, he
is lacking in character.
Mitt should just post a web page on his faith...1. I remove my horns
during work hours2. I help shovel the gold into the temple vault every
Wednesday at mid night3. My other 10 wives live in a secret bunker under
the garageand so on....what a joke. A 15 million member
church with well known public figures world wide shouldn't be so mysterious.
Good grief just go to lds.org and learn for yourself.
In reality, the people who are making a big deal out of this are LDS. I'm LDS
and I don't let this stuff get under my skin. I've asked a few friends of mine
who are not LDS and they aren't paying any attention to the religious
arguments/statements/etc. But I know from our history that many LDS enjoy
feeling like they have been martyred over and over and over again. They don't
want to let loose of their own history, but when someone points out something
not so great in the history of the LDS church, you will hear a lot of comments
about how long ago that happened and why focus on it now, etc. Well guess what
fellow members of the church: you can't have your cake and eat it too!
I feel deeply sorry for the Community or Office Water Cooler.Mitt
Did Not Stop Abortion in Mass, during his time as Gov. Enough said and far more
then enough Not Done.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
believes in the sanctity of human life. Therefore, the Church opposes elective
abortion for personal or social convenience, and counsels its members not to
submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions. The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members who Pregnancy
results from rape or incest, or A competent physician determines that the
life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or A competent
physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the
baby to survive beyond birth. The Church teaches its members that
even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Abortion is a
most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved
have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer
that their decision is correct. Very much weaker then the previous
one. Other statement said you could receive Church Punishment for doing such
He who walks the middle of the road gets hit from both sides.When
you run for public office everything is fair game, except perhaps your minor
kids. I won't attack a child even if the child is working in the Campgain. Kids
should believe in their parents at least until they are grown.With a
few exceptions. Inmoral Acts, and outstanding bad behavior, and Family Abuse.
Moral Police but when the windows are closed and the shades and drapes down,
perhaps a whole different story.This is why Home Schooled Kids need
to be examined 4 times a year and interviewed by a Social Worker away from the
parents. AT the Parents Expense.Grandsparents just for fun: Ask your
Grandkids at Thanksgiving Dinner what their Mom and Dad say about you at their
dinner table. Pick the most Honest Grandchild regardless of age over 8 or 10.
Yes there is one and you know who that is. Usually the most Agressive and
obnoxius and not by any means always a boy. If more then one set of parents ask
a child from each family without any warning. You might find somthing out you
I'm sorry but I complete disagree with this article and the position of its
author. Religion is not fair game. Since when should anyone's faith and belief
system become a litmus test to one's qualifications? We do not live in Biblical
times or Book of Mormon times where the judges were also the high priests. Our
Founding Fathers made it very explicit that religion should not be used to
determine one's qualifications. So, no religion and faith is definitely not fair
game. If so, then Obama should never have been elected based on his relationship
with Rev. Wright.
The "no religious test" clause of Article VI of the US Constitution
does not, IMHO, applies prohibits USG from requiring an oath or affirmation of a
public officer that he, or she, is, or is not, an adherent to a particular faith
or creed. It is, again IMHO, a response to the requirement in the UK that
persons, as a condition of holding offices under the Crown, had to swear
allegiance to the Church of England and swear a renuciation of other faiths or
creeds.HOWEVER, I firmly believe that, when casting one's free and
secret ballot, for any office, such as Electors for President and Vice
President, a voter has the right to apply ANY TEST, including a religious one,
as to whom he or she shall cast their vote. TheUS Constitution
guarantees, at least in this area, the right of a citizen to be a bigot.TO change this right to be a bigot in the ballot booth is impossible and
any serious attempt to do so would cause such havoc as to seriously impair the
survival of the system of government we have created in the US by the divinely
inspired US Constitution.
If he is going to answer these questions (and I don't see any reason why he
shouldn't) one other thing needs to be added. He needs to add that his faith
supports the Constitution of the United States of America and Constitutional
government. I, too, am LDS and I HAVE been associated with other churches in
the past. What we believe is NOT that different from what others believe, it's
just that we have a little more knowledge about a lot more things. Since the
church is true there is no reason NOT to answer these questions truthfully and