"Cougars likely to stick with Riley Nelson"===Ya think?Geez Bronco.It's like going clothes shopping
with my daughter. Make a choice.
Mendenhall said. "Most likely, the starter, as long as they're playing
well, they're going to play probably through the whole game."Key phrase: as long as they're playing well. Unlike Nelson's second half
against SJSU. We will need good QB play and good secondary play in order to
beat OSU this Saturday.
Nelson has been very lucky, how long this luck will hold out, who knows, but
eventually it will it always does. Some of Riley's decisions in the 2nd half
could have turned over the momentum and the score to the Spartans. Riley is to
reckless, he should have been pulled from the game, to show there is
accountability for such actions, even if it is only for a couple plays.
We are dead unless Alisa has another good game. He's the only bright spot on
that offense. Right now Nelson and Heaps are just two different types of
horrible. Doman finally seems to be making some adjustments to help his players
move the ball.
I will not root for BYU as long as Nelson is the QB. I am not a fan of his style
of play and I do not believe that his wins against lesser teams will make the
program any more attractive to real blue chip talent. Now is the time to develop
Heaps when the schedule is soft. Bronco has sent a loud message to other blue
chip QB prospects. I know the attitude with the Cougar faithful is we only want
true BYU players playing for us because we are BYU. That is fine, but BYU is not
top tier anymore and that attitude is harmful. College football has changed and
BYU is being left behind. I will not keep my season tickets to see Bronco and
Nelson pad their stats. I will not keep my season tickets to watch Bronco
cripple the programs recruiting future because he cannot develop talent. I will
not keep my season tickets to see 8 or 9 SJSU's or ISU's every season. I know
BYU is different and I support that, but there has to be a balance or the future
is a dead duck, or rather dead Cougar.
dustman: Wow, really? Two different types of horrible? When I watched Heaps
make a throw out of bounds or over the head of a wide-open receiver I would say
that he needs to give the receivers a 'chance' to catch the ball. When Nelson
came in it was obvious that he was giving the receivers a chance to catch it and
in most cases they did. Long throws, short ones, the ball was usually well
placed. The picks were on throws down field. For whatever reason the play
calling became really conservative in the 3rd qtr. (only 1 pass I believe) and
it would've turned out more like the Texas game if it had not been for Alisa.
Nelson provides a spark, a whatever it takes to get the 1st down and the win
mentality that we didn't see with Heaps. So to say Nelson played horrible IMO
is off base. Not bad for his 1st start in over a year.
AJM;Then you are not a true BYU fan. I am not pleased with the offensive
performance of BYU either but I still pull for them to win and hope they get it
turned around. Riley Nelson, while not a great college qb has a presence that
inspires the rest of the team. He has earned the starting spot by default
because of that and because Heaps has not played well enough to keep the
starting spot. Even Heaps knows that. Nelson will likely struggle against OSU,
TCU and even Hawaii. Heaps should be ready to go in at any time. The way Nelson
plays, he could get hurt at any time. I agree that Heaps needs to get a bunch of
playing time this year but in my opinion, he needed to get benched in the USU
game. If he is smart, he will learn from watching Nelson for awhile.
I see the fair-weather fans are out again.
@Marksen. I understand your frustration. Frustration with BYU (right now)is in
abundance, but don't you think that the team is frustrated too? The first thing
we all must do is relax and be a bit more trusting and patient. "The
Cougars" (as we know) are a different sort of animal and they just need
time to develop. Why don't we (all) be more supporting - which might be a key to
improved play.Are there problems with the team? Of course. Will
all of these problems be solved before the season is over? Of course not! But
it doesn't help anything to threaten to "give up season tickets" or
"not root" for the team. That type of attitude would be considered
(in my opinion) to be "fair weather." And it continues to stir up
anxiety within the entire organization (including players, coaches, and fans).
Now, if you ultimately decide to make the choices that you have expressed, they
are your right to do so. All I am saying is, that if we all "jump
ship" no one will benefit from this season.
Mendenhall said, "... which then makes us more difficult to defend because
he can throw it to a receiver whose route has been adjusted. It's harder to
cover adjusted routes."Why doesn't Bronco understand his own
defensive thinking? That's how nobody-QBs have been eating up BYU's defense this
year and looking all-world in the process. They're seldom pressured by BYU.I bet at least 80% of the time that BYU's defense HAS put pressure on
opposing QBs, it's been effective. Problem is, BYU's defense only puts pressure
on them no more than 20% of the time.
Nelson is the starting QB the rest of the season, unless . . .. . .
he gets hurt. . . lets turnovers impact the production of the offense. . . can't get anything going against a fast Oregon State defense. . .
forgets to cut his hairFor those who don't like his style of play,
you probably didn't like Steve Young or Brandon Doman as QBs either. No, he's
not half the QB of Steve Young (yet), but his style is very similar.This Saturday will tell us more about Nelson than the rally against USU (which
included a few lucky breaks), or the production against a weak SJSU defense.A win against Oregon State and he will be the starter for the next 19
I'm really hoping Alisa gets a lot of playing time and that BYU's front line can
make enough holes for the running game to be effective. Not sure whether Oregon
State has much of a run defense. If they do, we might have a problem.Nelson's turnovers should be fewer this coming game. If not, Lark before
Although I was surprised that Riley got the nod against San Jose
State, because of the part of the schedule the Cougs are going into, he CLEARY
energizes the offense and stadium like no one else can. He
spearheaded the USU win and was solid (not great, but
solid) in the San Jose State win. Of course he'll start against 'dem Beavers.
If he doesn't, the team gets back to the infamous "QB
shuffle" which rarely if ever works out-- it certainly didn't
last season. I feel sorry for Heaps. But, Riley clearly has the
"It" factor and the team rallies around him. And for those naysayers
who say he doesn't have a throwing arm, his TD to Jacobson was 50
yards in flight-- clearly a thing of beauty. In reality, when does a
QB need to throw further than that? He obviously has enough arm for the job.
But, my counsel to Riley is, "Stay healthy, my friend. Stay
healthy!" Go, Cougs!
Scrambling quarterbacks are not what the pros look for, but who wants the NFL to
extend its tentacles deeper any into college football?College teams
are (in my opinion) 100 times more exciting to watch with their
motivated-to-win, true athletes than the over-paid, egocentric, prima donnas of
the NFL.The last quarterback in the NFL that was as exciting to
watch, as the ever-decreasing scrambling quarterbacks that still exist in
college, was Fran Tarkenton. More power to Riley; as long as he
continues to start, he will have by himself increased significantly the
"exposure" BYU was looking for with its going independent this year.
All you BYU fans trash talking Nelson need to keep in mind the following:Nelson: 2-0Heaps: 2-3Yes, I know you've only played
6 games, but Nelson (unfortunately for my Aggies) won the Utah State game for
you while Heaps had it lost, so I'm counting it as a win for Nelson and a loss
for Heaps. Who knows, if USU had prepped for Nelson maybe they would have won
anyway, but for whatever reason they didn't, so the W goes to Nelson. As much
as I hate the traitor, he's a good QB and will win games as long as your coaches
give him an offensive scheme that will utilize his talents.On an
unrelated note, do any of you BYU fans actually like Bronco Mendenhall? I mean,
can the guy sound any more non-committal, inept, and weak? Whether the Y is
winning or losing, Mendenhall has got to be in the conversation for the Most
Annoying and/or Frustrating Coach in College Football award.
Marksen. I'm sure everyone is going to be devastated by your lack of support.
I'm sticking with them even if Cosmo's at quarterback. I'm just glad to have
someone other than the Utes to root for.
Hey AJM, see ya! Don't let the door hit you in the rear end on the way out of
@ Aggie238 | 9:50 a.m. Oct. 11, 2011 In Spanish there's a saying
that is apropos here, I think. It says "About taste there is nothing
written."It's kind of like our English saying: "To each
his own."Personally, I very much like Bronco's way of speaking.
He doesn't make outlandish get-in-your-face comments like Urban did. He's rather like Gary Anderson, in my opinion, who has been the best thing
that could have happened to the Aggies.And, by the way, with Gary,
Kyle and Bronco, the schools on the Wasatch Front have three excellent coaches;
a great improvement over what USU used to have (I can't ever remember his name
anymore), Meyer, and Crowton. Not only are they great coaches, they
truly know how to relate effectively to college football players. More power to all three!
@ Marksen: The message being sent to other blue-chip athletes thinking about
coming to BYU is that their star count doesn't guarantee playing time. They are
also being told that they will be in the mix with everyone else at their
position to prove that they are the best, and if they perform better than their
competition they will get a chance to show it on the field. Which, IMO, is the
right message to send to the recruits. I don't think recruits should be
promised anything or expect any more than anyone else on the team. Put in the
effort, perform, and you will be rewarded with playing time. Heaps will be ok
and get plenty of PT if he can learn from this. I had a high school teammate
that walked on to the BYU football team several years ago. He wasn't promised
anything but he worked his tail off, impressed the coaches, got PT, showed what
he could do on the field. Did great, kept playing, got a scholarship, went to
the NFL, etc. etc.etc. His name is Chad Lewis! May the most deserving player
Nice post SCCougar!@ Marksen: You know what every blue chip QB wants
to hear? "Come to our school, we win games." They want to be in
contention for bowl games, conference championships (oops), and a BCS shot. Why
even cast a thought the way of the future Blue Chip who is currently playing
flag football or wearing diapers right now? We have great QB commits lined up
through about 2018. If we "Just Win Baby" they will want to come, no
matter who is throwing the ball, no matter the style.Let me know
when your tickets become available, I know a lot of people who like to see
Here's what I see as the difference between Riley and Jake:Riley is a
warriorJake is not
golly, isn't Roscoe so clever! I wish someone had the guts to ask him why he
thinks being coy in his answers does anyone any good. Does he think he's some
sort of tactician by not letting his sub-par opponents know who the starter will
be? They could start any of the qb's there and win against the patsies left on
the schedule, who cares Roscoe, just answer a question with a straight answer,
you aren't as smart as you like to think.And for AJMarksen, really?
You're worried about losing some more top recruits like Heaps? Heaps can't even
complete a pass in a tough situation, why would you want any more players of his
caliber in the program? Let him play out the year and you'll end up in the
exact situation you are in now, unable to beat any decent teams because he
doesn't have the mental capacity to deal with the pressure. He's afraid to get
hit. He isn't a leader. Hello?
plyxply"golly, aren't you so clever with you childish name
calling!"btw, Utah's remaining schedule is filled with patsies,
which is the only reason the Utes still have a slim shot at the New Mexico Bowl.
@Marksen.......Oooooh, I hope your season tickets are in front of mine. I will
then have a better view! Most likely though they will immediately
get snatched up by some tall dude.Go Cougars!
Aggie fans demeaning Bronco's personality? Pretty small indeed.
I heard that the LES scoreboard malfunctioned during the game last Saturday
because there were so many BYU points being posted on it. The frequency with
which the points were posted didn't help matters, either.I hope that
it gets fixed before Idaho, ISU, NMSU and others come to town so we can keep
track of all the points we're going to score.
"...Utah's remaining schedule is filled with patsies..." BYU plays @ Oregon State on Saturday.Oregon State plays @ UTAH on
10/29.OSU is a "patsie"?If OSU loses the game
Saturday, it won't be OSU that takes a beating.
@ Andrew Marksen: If BYU doesn't play by your rules then please hand over your
tickets. To BigRich: well said. BYU should play at QB the one who performs,
not who has the most potential. Nelson is a true football player, Heaps has a
great arm but if he is not on target, what is the good arm worth?
I really hope Riley is the starting QB for the rest of the season - and next!
We can argue about the pros and cons of both QB until we are "blue" in
the face. But the obvious difference between the two right now can be summed up
in one word: leadership! It is reasonable to think that Riley (the
guy who put in two years as a missionary, works hard, and then "steps
up" when called up) has the respect of his fellow teammates (many of whom
also sacrificed two years as missionaries, are a bit "older", and have
put in a couple of years of hard work before getting their playing time). On the other hand, we have a 19/20-year-old in Jake Heaps (who chose to
not serve a mission - I realize a very pesonal choice) and from some of his
comments (and even perhaps from the perspective of some coaches) supposed he was
on the four-year-fast-track to the NFL - and perhaps even a Heisman. (Are his
goals more individual-oriented as opposed to team-oriented?) While he has great
potential, better development might include sitting out as a redshirt next year.
"While he has great potential, better development might include sitting out
as a redshirt next year. "I agree with your thoughts about
Riley's leadership wholeheartedly and was talking about that before the season
started. Many dismissed what I was saying, but that might have been centered
around the excitement of the season.THat being said, do you think
Heaps, a selfish bloke by all accounts, is going to sit on the bench next year
and watch? I think he will transfer before he does that. If he does, it is not
a guy BYU wants, anyway.
Riley was sloppy.He had two interceptions and a fumble against a "cupcake
team".He could have had more interceptions. Nice guy,works hard, same level
of talent as cougar greats: Jason Beck, Brendan Gaskins,Eric Krzmarzick,Steven
Lindsley,Drew Miller,Lance Pendleton,Charlie Peterson,Paul Shoemaker,Bob
Jensen,Brian Vye,they all worked hard and were loved by coaches and team
members. Yeah those were the days.All those wins they gave us.Give me a break.
Play and develop Heaps,Lark,Munns. use riley for special situations.riley is not
Steve Young or even Brandon Doman.
Bronco's continued wishy washiness on so many decisions is dooming his team to
mediocrity. You have to have clear measures of success and when a player
doesn't reach those you replace them with the next guy in line until he fails to
reach those same measures. Bronco is failing his team and the BYU fans by not
making definite decisions and moving forward. His excuse that he doesn't know
the offensive side of the game is lame. He's the head coach! It's his job to
gain enough of an understanding that he can answer questions about the offense
and make decisions about it.
I have experienced set backs and frustrations in my life (as we all have). And
the results from my "Benchings" in life have been up to me and the
attitude I take in response to them.So, let Heaps decide how he will
respond to this set back.Let Riley continue to show Heaps how a
leader motivates the team and what a leader is motivated about. (Not just
personal goals- TEAM goals)If Nelson is injured as a result of his
style of play (Highly Likely), or does not continue to perform as the team needs
their QB to do, then a wiser and matured Mr. Heaps will do better at LEADING the
team.Go Cougars! (If Heaps gets mad and tranfers, we have good QB's
in the wings)
Thank you to the reasonable Cougar fans who understand, and feel the
frustration. Nelson does nothing to further the programs future. None of you
will continue to pay $300 per seat to see 8 or 9 ISUs or SJSUs every single year
for the next 3 to 10 years. BYU needs to compete at a top tier level in
football, and right now they do not. The team gave up on Heaps, and Bronco
allowed that to happen. It showed on the practice field, and on game day. Many
of the states media members have reported this. Yes, Heaps deserves part of the
blame, but so does the entire coaching staff. In life, we are all faced working
with people we do not like. However, we check ourselves, and our egos at the
door and give 100% effort because that is what honorable adults do. I refuse to
wear Cougar Blue shaded glasses. Season ticket holders can, and should demand
accountability for our dollars. Anyone remember the Crowton Years? Nelson is one
more area where fans get short-term success at the expense of the future,
especially with the meaningless schedule that meaningless schedule.
Mr Marksen, I would be happy to take your tickets at half price for the 2013
Who cares if you all do not cheer for BYU any more. You delusional people who
think as if the season or the players live and die on what you self proclaimed
footballer minds say or actually do. loloThe tight end over the
middle of the field was on a middle zone rout what that means is he was to stop
and sit in the zone or spot and catch the pass, instead he kept running, sorry
the tight end messed up so what.Yes fumbling was lame and the
attempt to McKay was a poor choice as well as tossing the rock up instead of
taking the sack, so. Do the kid deliver a win Yes.The
more game time reps the better the decision will be. Riley does not
care if you fair weather fans cheer or not.
Hello people I guess no one here plays cards. Let me explain the theory you do
not show the others what cards you have in your hand. There get it.Bronco wants the other team to split defensive pre game prep time. Smart you
do not show your hand and you make your opponent guess. Really a
little poker action would do some of you some good.
Bronco's interest and style I think make him a candidate for a GA someday. I am
not trying to say this in a negative light - I think he would be awsome in that
calling. He is a spiritual giant. He has even said that he doesn't see himself
coaching for the rest of his life. He is doing an OK job as a coach, but I
think BYU needs someone with more fire and enthusiasm to lead these young men.
I feel that when his contract is up, and recall he turned down a longer
contract, it will be a mutual parting of the ways. So in about 3 years, look
for BYU having a new coach. Any takers on who, or whatattributes BYU
would be looking for?
I don't want to come across as a fair weather fan. I watch every game and pull
for the team from the beginning of quarter 1 to the end of quarter 4, win or
lose, blowout or close game, Nelson or Heaps. I just hope I like what I see on
Saturday, but I'll have to admit I'm pretty worried. Whoever plays on Saturday
just please win. I would honestly prefer if Heaps figured things out and that it
were him. But if Riley can do what he did last week and win, then great.
Re: Heaps figure things out You can not give someone integrity, work
ethic or maturity that comes from deep inside and may never come each of us all
have our Aha momentPerhaps this young man will respond, we shall
@ AJM- We don't need guys like you, claiming you know everything. Maybe we
should put you on the field for one play and then see you complain. Or put you
in the coaching staff and get worked over while trying to develop talent. Or in
the NW corner of the stadium where you deserve to be.Sure, maybe
they are not doing that great of a job. But do you think walking out on them
will help recruiting and coaching whatsoever? They do a far better job than you
would.I don't know much about coaching, etc. But I know not to make
a fool of myself pretending like I am the most knowledgeable person out there.
They know they have issues right now. They don't guys like you trying to prove a
point to them.
AJM,Are you still here? I thought you were leaving? You can't imagine how
disappointed I was to see you back on here again with...the virtually the exact
same comment! Goodby, already.
Note to all: Riley ran the game plan that was designed for Heaps in
the rest of the USU game. Riley as did the other QB's did not have a game plan
designed for his skill set in the week leading up to the USU game. All offensive
reps were given to hypes of Heaps.The question of who is the better
player and QB1 has been answered case closed.
This is a great decision to go with Riley. His strengths bring a lot more to
the table than Heaps or Lark. I find myself more excited to watch the games
because I know that the offense won't just punt the ball 10 times per game.
The reappearance of the 2-headed QB. UGH!!!
Panama,After the Utes have a few disappointing seasons, KW will realize
that he can't get the type of athletes there that can win consistently in the
PAC. Bronco will become the BYU AD and hire KW as the head football coach.
Riley hasn't done anything to justify losing his starter position as he isn't
responsible for scheduling of the opposing team anymore than Heaps. Heaps one
his starting job least year because of injury by the starting quarter back.
Riley fits Coach Doman's offensive scheme as run and shoot quarterback instead
of a drop back quarterback. I would anticipate Heaps transferring
from BYU because he wants NFl scout exposure and wants to play teams that are
from a BCS conference instead of being backup quarterback watching his team play
a majority of teams that are not from a BCS conference. BYU
football independence schedule is not getting the exposure of being invited into
a BCS conference or a BCS bowl, because of its schedule of playing teams that
are from non BCS conference.