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BYU football: Offense returns to life in win, but only for a half

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  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Oct. 8, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    BYU and Utah could take a few lessons from Boise State University and send their coaches up to Boise so they can learn how to run a non-predictable offense and get the most out of their talent. Especially the Cougs!

  • Resolute Voice Deseret, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @ chubbuckidahocougfan

    Yeah and they can lower their academic standards, and be involved in an NCAA investigation on top of that. BSU cannot hold a candle to the athletic or academic achievements that Utah and BYU both claim. BSU's national ranking as a university (545, Forbes) is lower than both BYU (136, Forbes) and Utahs (158, Forbes) combined. There is nothing that BSU can "teach" BYU or Utah. The very thought is hysterical. There is more to a university than football. Comprehensive sports programs that include basketball, baseball, soccer, gymnastics, volleyball, and track & field. There are also comprehensive academic programs like medicine, engineering, accounting, business, and physics. There is nothing that BSU has outside of football, and that is marginal at best when you look at the last 50 years (compared to BYU or Utah) too bad BSU fans always seem to forget that.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 8, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    Who's in the mood for cupcakes?

  • UtAhUtEsSp0rTs Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Anyone know why Daniel Sorenson is not playing tonight?

  • HuskyBark Seattle, WA
    Oct. 8, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    Nelson got a haircut, pretty disappointed. But he is playing with the same swagger.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    Can anyone tell me how come I should be excited for Riley tonight?I could beat SanJose St. Should have let Heaps get his confidence back. Good call bronco!

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    @MIP - You mean like the one Arizona State just ate?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    @Resolute Voice

    Congratulations! You get the overreaction award for the evening. chubbuckidahocougfan was CLEARLY referring to the sports aspect of the article...which was the WHOLE article.

    The fact is that BYU's offense stinks and they could learn how to play football from Boise State. There is nothing 'marginal' about Boise State football. Nobody cares what happened in 1984 anymore. BYU football has gotten stale and predictable.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    Clearly Nelson is not as poised a passer as Heaps- he insists on throwing a ball short, out or long that someone can catch but Heaps puts it on a rope and it looks so nice even if no one can catch it- clearly Heaps is the superior passer

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    @Mip

    Yes, BYU needs them for the next couple of years. If better games had been available you know the Cougars would have played them. But on such short notice BYU is grateful to these teams, in return they get good ESPN exposure, an opportunity to play a bigger named opponent and a few bucks in exchange.

    Kind of like what the Utes are getting to do in the Pac this year and years to come... an opportunity to play bigger teams, some better exposure, probably lose most of their games and get a little pocket change for the inconvenience.

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    bballjunkie,
    Go ahead and not be excited. Your loss. Nelson is still doing things with his feet that Heaps may NEVER be able to do. Oh, and his passes are pretty inaccurate too...not.
    Why don't you just sit back, enjoy the rest of this season and next with Riley, chime in something useful during bball season and we will all be better off for it.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    MiP:

    What kind of cupcakes?

    Washington and Arizona State just called. They are in the mood for cupcakes.

    Also SW Baptist, San Diego and Seattle U are cupcakes. You can always have some of those.

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    XelaDave,
    Oops! Looks like you spoke a little soon. Ya, his delivery isn't as pretty but the longer balls have been right on the money.
    What's wrong with you people who just can't bring yourselves to enjoy a good thing? Are you related to Heaps?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    Hey, where are all the BYU haters with their predictions for the game today? I thought for sure someone would post a score like:

    SJSU 31
    BYU 10

    Come on BYU haters, let's hear it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    ClarkHippo... that was funny

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Oct. 8, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Because Riley excites those around him. Jake's leadership this year has been the equivalent of a "prevent defense." "Guy's this is one of the most talented offenses in BYU history. We have no question marks at any position. We can make history. Several of us will play in the NFL. Let's not make a mistake and mess up that opportunity." Riley comes in with an urgency a "live in the moment" attitude. It is a "we need to make a play right now on this play attitude". And because he is not playing for the future, he is willing to take the hit himself. I rewatched the Utah State game. In the first quarter Heaps had a drive that concluded with a field goal after (I believe) 8 plays in the red zone. That isn't play calling. At some point the guy has to step up and win.

    The criticisms regarding Nelson's passing are unwarranted. He threw beautiful passes all night. Nelson is going to make mistakes. He is going to fumble the ball. And he is going to get hurt. What he won't do is consistently overthrow receivers out of fear of throwing an interception.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    Nelson looks good so far. Funny how good Dorman looks with a QB who can play.

  • Jared Average, SE
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    ClarkHippo - they are too upset after two Ute games where the Utes looked like the Cougars against Utah. Don't worry, they'll be back.

    After a tough opening stretch for the season it's nice for BYU to have a soft opponent to play.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    @ runnerguy50 | 10:01 p.m. Oct. 8, 2011
    Virginia Beach, Va

    Come on now, be fair to Jake. You are comparing Jake playing against the Texas, Utah and Mississippi defenses to the motley crew that Riley is facing tonight?

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    SoUtHapa
    "Nelson is still doing things with his feet that Heaps may NEVER be able to do. Oh, and his passes are pretty inaccurate too...not"

    Your right great call... 2 ints and a fumble my bad..oh wait and thats against a great D in San Jose State..good news we still are in the 3rd qt.lol

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    SoUtHapa
    Hey do I give cresit to Riley for that 96 yard TD drive.lol

    Not related just know that you don't pull this kid ..especially for Riley.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    Credit not cresit.. pull me coach put Riley in.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    RESOLUTE VOICE-I could care less about Academics. I'm a BYU sports fan and went to Idaho State Univ.....so as you can see academic achievements is not a big deal to me. As much as I hate to say it BSU has surpassed BYU in the current environment of a football program. They are unbelievable and are consisently ranked in the top 10 and competing for BCS bowl games. I would love to be in the conversation for BCS games once every 10 years let along every year like BSU. If you watch BSU, they are well coached, well prepared, and take football serioulsy as their #1 priority and not #5 on the list like the Y. BYU could learn a few things from the Broncos up north. They aren't far from Provo, It wouldn't take the coaches long to drive down I-15, take a left on I-84 at Tremonton and continue west until you arrive in Boise. Be humble and learn from a program that has dominated on the national landscape for the last few years.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    1984, Nelson looked great against USU and Heaps looked horrible against the Aggies. Nelson needs work but Heaps was just in over his head.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    4th
    BYU 26 San Jose State 13

    Riley has 2 INT and 1 fumble against San Jose State's defense.

    BYU's making San Jose look like a BCS team.

    I don't think Riley will be allowed to throw again after the 60 yard throw straight up in the air and 10 yards down field. Nevertheless...

    BYU 31
    SJS 16

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    Someone explain to me why the Cougars haven't gone for two on any of the TDs after starting out with a safety. The two pointer puts them up by two TDs. Bronco almost blew it last week by not going for two.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Hey will take it, it's a win!

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    Well there you have it. Another 'perfect' weekend for football.

    Utes lose with a new QB
    BYU wins with a new QB

    The beatings will continue until moral improves.

    And for my friend 54-10 back atcha... 0-3 oh the pain, it has to hurt blah blah blah

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    Good job Cougs!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    Beat Oregon State watch Utah lose to them and this season will not have been all that bad after all will it? Now, Who knows what the season would look like if Riley had been in from the very first snap east of the mississippi. All I know is that after watching BYU turn into Brigham Young Turnoversity the Turnoversity of Utah heavily jealous or over cocky for what layed in their lap in provo decided to mirror it in whole for 8 straight quarters.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    Riley earned the start and he did well with it. Jake had one opportunity to get back into the game but couldn't find his helmet...

    Seriously though, the disparity in defenses the qbs faced is a big deal. But at this point I don't know if Jake has the confidence to slash even this defense. If he was mentally sound these would be great games for him to get his confidence back. At some point Riley is going to get hurt-even if it is just for a few plays-and Jake needs to be ready to go. If he is confident he is better, but he has NOT shown that thus far this year.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    Good win, I'll take it. But in all fairness to Jake, that wasn't Texas or Utah's defense out there. I am happy for Riley, I hope he can play this well against TCU and OSU (minus the picks). He definately brings energy to the offense that just wasn't there before, but he needs to understand that there is a time to throw the ball and a time to take the sack.
    Go COUGS! Good win tonight.

  • TaipeiModerate New Haven, CT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:32 p.m.

    Those who are hating on Riley don't know much about QBing. The kid actually displayed some pretty strong qualities this game. I was actually pretty surprised. He showed a good vision of the field and seemed to understand receiving preferences of his receivers, which led to a ton of YAC.

    He also had really good touch on any passes that required any arch.

    A weakness that he does have is that he can't throw with enough velocity without setting up (like pre-prison Mike Vick). This led to both interceptions, as the ball was thrown slightly behind both receivers.

    HOWEVER, he did put a lot of velocity on a few passes while set. However, the timing of these passes seemed off. I think this is because he doesn't usually throw these balls.

    I really don't get all of the hating from the Utah fans. Comments are usually pretty entertaining. However, coming on to disparage Nelson's performance tonight is pretty classless. I can understand if the criticism was legitimate. But, it is mean spirited in this case.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    At least those 2 INT and fumble didn't turn into 18 points in 3.5 minutes. In fact, the fumble turned into 2 points for the home team.... Utes, please back off until your team has done something other than beating a cupcake that will beat the cupcakes of your own league. Will you be doing such a thing? now that is a LOL

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    As far as for football in the State of Utah goes this year, it has to be with the Aggies. Then look to a good football team in Idaho. Hmm, seems like the Aggies and the Broncos should be considered for the PAC and BIG12. Utah shouldn't be where it is, and BYU just doesn't have it (coaches or players). I guess all Utah and BYU fans can resort to the old, worn out battle cry from both Provo and Salt Lake City, "WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR."

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    Utah lost to one of the best teams in the country. BYU beat one of the worst teams in the country.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    As an Idahoan--and a graduate of Idaho State University--I can tell you that Boise State has a little more going for them than the blue turf and those ugly uniforms.

    But back in the early '90's, I worked for the ISU football department, and Boise State was just another Division I-AA Big Sky team, though a good one to be sure. they were a commuter school whose team played in a 12,000 seat no-big-deal stadium. In fact they were the only one of the three Idaho Division I-AA schools that didn't play in a domed stadium.

    They are great now, like what BYU was in the late 70's. But they don't have the history of either BYU or Utah.

  • seattlecoug Issaquah, WA
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    Why is Van Noy not starting? He is clearly the best linebacker on the team, brings up the entire defense's energy level and makes things happen. He is a turnover machine. To see Wagner get the start seems disrespectful to Van Noy's hard work. Am I missing something?

  • BlueSouth MC KINNEY, TX
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    When will BYU stop playing to the level of its opponents? It doesn't seem to matter who we play (few exceptions, like the egg against Utah), we never play above the ability of our opponents, good or bad. When will we finally put 50 on a crappy team instead of making them look credible? @SyracuseCoug--Heaps couldn't get it done against USU, that's why Nelson got his chance. I think the outcome against Texas would've been different had Nelson been given a shot the. Heaps has to stop playing scared or he won't amount to anything.

  • Swishfrom3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    Heaps will get splinters the rest of the season.

    Knowing his attitude, here come the transfer rumors...

  • InCogNeatO Logan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    Why disparage San Jose State? That is a decent football team and their defense is better than the Utah State defense that Heaps couldn't move the ball against. That is a better team than 4 teams we beat last year (New Mexico, CSU, Wyoming, and UNLV). The ESPN guys were impressed with Nelson's throwing ability, esp. his 50 yard ball on the $$$ to Jacobsen, I guess they haven't heard any of the experts on these boards evaluate his "arm strength."

    That BSU fan definitely touched a nerve. When you resort to academic rankings on the comments section of football game summary, you are reaching. What BYU was about 25 years ago, Boise is in the BCS era. They may not be the greatest academic institution, but BYU isn't Harvard either.

    I just like the general direction of the offense. They are including a lot of the talent on the offense, lots of weapons. They have more get-up and go. The running game allows us to control the clock and win the physical battle at the line of scrimmage. It also sets up the pass, something we haven't been able to do. Nice win!

  • SLC-Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    Maybe it was just me but I thought that the RB Alisa changed the whole dynamic of the game. He is a back that can easily give Heaps the confidence back he so badly needs. Riley can play, no doubt, but for how long? He takes shot after shot. Having Heaps sit is a good thing for a game like this, maybe this opens his eyes to the world of college football and he needs help. Alisa could be just that. A Utah fan that see's potential oozing out of Heaps, he just needs to take advantage. Just my opinion though.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:25 a.m.

    I'm not sure I'm seeing BYU beating Oregon State. They better pick it up a lick.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:10 a.m.

    I bet Oregon State, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, Pitt, Arizona cannot wait to play the "mighty" Utes. It's a for sure win for those teams. Utah is the official doormat of the Pac 12.... hahaha

    Go Ducks, Cougs and Huskers!

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:47 a.m.

    Nice to hear from Utah fans with their obsession with everything Cougar. Riley played a good game tonight. The running game was really impressive which opened up the passing game. Credit Doman here for changing a few things on the offense. Where did Alisa come from? He had a monster game. I think Bronco and Doman both determined that in order to get different results, you have to do different things. That is why Heaps is sitting and Nelson is playing. Change things up. I think we will still see Heaps in, I just hope he is learning to read the defesne and check down on his reciveers.

    Go Cougars

  • Unca Bon OREM, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:05 a.m.

    Unless I've missed something, it seems Heaps is actually taking being benched quite nicely. Haven't heard him whine or moan, but I did hear him say that he had a lot to work on. I don't know where you're gathering his attitude from.
    It wasn't amazingly pretty, but we got the win. Hopefully a week off will give Jake Heaps long enough to clear out the cobwebs. He's got the physical tools, he just needs to play with poise and confidence. Once that happens, which I still believe it will, he'll be dangerous. I saw too many passes from Riley today that took way too long to reach the receivers, and that is a problem Jake Heaps does not have.

  • Fanaddict GILBERT, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:00 a.m.

    I'd rather eat a cupcake than be one!

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:01 a.m.

    A win is a win, BUT! Against the worst defensive team in the country this BYU squad has got a lot of fixin' to do. Where in the world does BYU's defense disappear on 3rd downs? For several years in a row they are simply a 3rd down wet paper bag.

    I think Bronco said it best that we could expect to see much of the same with this team this year. I guess he was referring to their poor play.

    I guess Utah's move to the PAC 12 and BYU's independence does not better teams make, like the talking heads have said. They still have to play the game which seems difficult for both teams this year.

  • Fanaddict GILBERT, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:07 a.m.

    Decent game, definately more energy on offense. Good win cougs!
    Go Devils!

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:27 a.m.

    BYU barely beat the worst SEC Team in recent memory, Ole Miss (2-3)
    BYU gets beat by a point by the team with the fan base most like its own. Texas turns around and gets walloped.
    BYU beats Central Florida (3-2), USU (2-3) and SJS (2-4)

    One win against a team with a winning record. One

  • maryland cougar Pikesville, MD
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    great win cougars wish terps could have won nearly beat georgia tech on the road but fell short have clemson next at home hopefully bwe can pull off a miracle

  • Allen#1 West Valley, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    Looks like BYU needs to get another transfer Quarterback from Utah State when former Aggie Riley Nelson graduates.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Hey, maybe the WAC will take us back? The cougs look a lot better playing these teams.

    We have a ways to go before we can consider any Majors conference memberships. I would love to see the Cougars succeed, but they seem to be a ways away from that goal. Being on the east cost, I crashed after the first quarter thinking BYU was back to its old scoring ways. Boy was I surprised to see they had only doubled their score over the next 3 quarters, and that of all people SHSU was able to score on them.

    Not football to the standard the Cougars are known for. Sorry to rain on the parade, but against SJSU, they should have owned this team, not just got by.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    MIP @ 8:36PM
    Who's in the mood for turnovers. I hear they are serving them up by the plateful at RES.

  • AH C'MON South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The key is Nelson has shown great improvement in the area that he is lacking which is to pass accurately. Judging Nelson's heart, he will only get better with more experience on the field. Nelson has this year and next year to become a great QB like those in the past. Nelson has a better chance of getting there than Heaps. In addition, Heaps missing helmet sounds like the team believes in Nelson too. Good to hear the stadium was packed. I think the crowd was there to support Nelson too. Now we gotta get Doman to believe in Nelson like the rest of us do including Mendenhall. Go Nelson!!!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Neilsom certainly took me through the entire range of emotions possible in a football game. TD passes and running looked fantastic. Interceptions and the offering he threw up to the gods looked awful. Nelson is not the QB that will give a serious fan confidence against TCU but he may be good enough to beat Hawaii. Certainly he is capable of leading his team to wins against the rest of the teams they will play this year. He is a great runner, a great leader / motivator and the team rallies around him.
    I will have to say that, in my opinion, BYU will be better off with Heaps working out his issues against the weak WAC teams. He should be getting a lot pt PT. Nelson doesn't have the potential to win the big games at the beginning of the next few seasons. Heaps does. Play Heaps and have Nelson play quite a bit as a situational QB
    Heaps; learn to be a leader and how to rally your team from Nelson. Nelson is going to get hurt eventually this season because of the way he runs. Heaps better be ready.

  • nwe Tooele, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    The second half drop in productivity reflected the play calling which turned from playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win.

  • cedarpost Washington, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    byu - good job nelson at least you can hit wide open receivers and play to win rather than not to lose. maybe heaps should transfer to a lesser college if he wants to get playing time. he probably would be ok at a weber type school.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    We'll take the win and hope for some more. Not a good article to post this next statement on, but for what it's worth; the Denver Post reports this morning that Air Force leaving the Mtn. West for the big east, along with Navy is next to a done deal. Wow--the dominoes continue. And according to the AF, the Big 12 did approach them and AF said NO.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    It's kind of sad to see all the cheap shots taken at Jake Heaps on this board.

    How quickly they forget.

    This is the same guy who took us on a tear at the end of last season and was almost unstoppable.

    His drive for a TD in the Utah state game two weeks ago was as good as it gets. Then late second quarter, early first half what are we calling? "Dink and dunk" and "three yards and a cloud of dust" again, instead of turning Heaps loose. Our play calling in the red zone was conservative - no "go for the kill."

    On one drive the first two plays in our territory were runs of no gain! Then Jake gets one shot to make something happen. Give me a break.

    He als o didn't have Alisa tearing up the place.

    BYU will likely crush its creampuff opposition (excepting Oregon State and TCU)the rest of the year,and so in my view it's not likely that Heaps will play again this year.

    Perhaps he will redshirt next year, to preserve 2 years of eligibility. I hope.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Once again Doman played not to loose in the 2nd half. Still no killer instinct. They need to learn to put games away. Only two field goals? Not that was pathetic and Doman's fault.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    We will never know what kind of energy Riley could have brought to the Texas or Utah games, but after watching the last two games it is evident that Jake had put a lot of pressure on himself or it was put on him by all the expectations, whereas Riley just wanted to do whatever he could withing his skill range to win. The mentality Riley has to do whatever it takes to win is contagious and Jake will need to learn that or he will never be successful on the field.

  • TXBYUFAN Spring, TX
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    The win last night instilled no confidence in me. Our offense looks like they don't know what they're doing. SJSU is an okay team. We made Faulkner look like a pretty good QB. Maybe he is, I don't know.

    Usually, to me, a win is a win and I'm glad we did win. But, I have no confidence in this team. Even though Oregon State isn't very good this year, I don't see us winning that game.

  • utahcoug LEHI, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    I'm ok with the performance from BYU. Sure Nelson had a few wild passes, but what have we seen from Heaps this season? About the same. I like the dual threat that Nelson offers. Defenses have to drop fewer people into coverage due to Nelson's running ability. I honestly think the best thing Heaps could do is become a student of the game for the rest of this season and win his starting job back next season.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Playing SJSU at home proves nothing. Southern Utah could handle SJSU.

    I once though our defense was tight. SJSU just scored 16 points on us....at home. Defense C-

    Nelson provides more options with his mobility and guts...two things lacking with Heaps. 6 points in the second half is pretty close to horrible. Offense C-

    I may continue to watch for two more weeks. Otherwise, I'll go fishing or take up a new Saturday hobby.

  • fan29 Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Riley got the win, that's great. He made to many bad choices, BYU lucky they were playing San Jose State!! I think Heaps should have started. If he is the future for BYU this was a good team to get some confidence back. If he doesn't get it done then bring in Riley. BYU in lucky to have powerhouses Idaho, Idaho St & New Mexico St @ home to secure a bowl game. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    @Cougar Blue - After reading your comment I read the article in the DP about Air Force leaving the MW for the Big East,and being approached by the Big 12. Good for them! Wish our AD would be as open about what happened with BYU and the Big 12 as AF's AD.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    I guess most respondents here didn't see Nelson's three turnovers (and three near-INT's); or the fact that most of his passes were actually late in arriving--with the WR's adjusting their speed to compensate for the lousy arm of Riley Nelson. Remember too that Nelson's play stagnated the whole of the second half. He was downright awful; and here most everyone is praising him.

    BYU was lucky SJSU was without their star running back, and that they missed a few turnover opportunities that would easily have put them in the winning column. BYU should not be patting themselves on the back after this one, folks.

    In the next week Nelson either has to get a throwing arm (good luck with that), or Mendenhall needs to insert Heaps back into the lineup; make the RB's responsible for actually doing their jobs [which will take the pressure off Heaps]; demand the WR's begin catching Heaps' pro-style passes; and demand better QB protection by the O-Line, rather than inserting the subpar D-III quality QB that is Riley Nelson.

    After all, BYU recruited Heaps for his abilities...time for BYU to give him the on-field assets to succeed.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    If Rutley had been healthy, not sure BYU would have beaten SJSU, considering how vanilla Bronco was in defending their QB. Once again, BYU's defense makes the opposing QB look all-world.

    Bad Bronco!

    BYU should be able to run the table, BUT that probably won't because of 1) Bronco's disdain for putting pressure on opposing QBs and 2) because BYU has a starting QB who needs more experience to keep from turning the ball over so much.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Alisa! Alisa! Alisa! Where have you BEEN?

    Glad to see Doman's smart enough to recognize a hot hand and use it.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    @TJ 8:08
    " Nelson doesn't have the potential to win the big games at the beginning of the next few seasons. Heaps does."

    Based on what?

    Nelson is a playmaker and has come through in a clutch. Heaps hasn't shown us any of that this year. I wouldn't deny that Heaps has potential. I just think Nelson has more. We need an athlete at the QB position. Heaps isn't.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    The more and better Riley Nelson plays .....the more apparent it is bronco cannot coach...nor does his staff know how to evaluate talent......

    Riley Nelson is just a flat out winner....what he lacks in skill he makes up for in heart..........with that kd in Idaho ready to come to BYU next year....let's hope Heaps never plays another game........

    Go Nelson!!

  • jiacheng09 Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Nelson had some bad throws, but he had some really good throws too. He had two perfect deep balls to Jacoson. He proved he can throw the ball deep and he is a running threat. If he hadn't turned the ball over three times this would have been a blowout. I think that he will fix the turnover issues.

  • stgjazzfan Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Two INT's and a fumble is nothing to get excited about. There is a lot to work on with BYU's offence. I sure would like to see Lark get a chance to show his stuff. Maybe play him to start the second half of an upcoming game, sense the offense has struggled to start the third lately anyway. And what happened to accountability Nelson should have been pulled from the game when he started chucking up those INT's and there could have been a few more if the Spartans defense could catch a ball thrown at them.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    well that lost all its intended punch... funny thing spelling...

    ...and an AGGIE shall lead them.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Hey Riley fans hold on he just had an average game with 2 picks and easily could have had 2 more and a fumble against a poor defense in......wait for it....San Jose State. Get real anyone could have done that or better.Riley is not the answer you all think he is. And its only going to get worse. Tell me why anyone should be excited for those numbers?

    Go Cougs!

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    Riley Nelson is not a top quality quarterback. He's just not. Two interceptions (should have been four!), giving a fumble away on the 3 yard line, and what the heck was up with that throw straight into the sky? Nelson makes poor decisions with the football.

    The guy can run the ball, though. That alone makes Nelson good enough for this year. He and Alisa really helped out the running game last night.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    I have seen BYU play better this year.

    The difference was the talent of the opposition.

    Not impressed with BYU coaches this year.

    I am glad that BYU could not hook-up with BCS conference.

    Utah has not even managed one win this year against a BCS team.

    Utah is prepared to go out and hire a big name coach if needed. To the Utes, losing is not an option (see basketball). No matter what whit did before, if he can't win in the PAC, Dr. Hill will cut him loose.

    BYU is happy with Fireside Bronco leaving the office at 6:00 pm.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Cougar Blue | 8:44 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    N. Las Vegas, NV

    "Not a good article to post this next statement on, but for what it's worth; the Denver Post reports this morning that Air Force leaving the Mtn. West for the big east"
    ===

    AFA AD was quoted on CBS sports:

    "We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but the recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," Mueh explained.

    "That's why I turned down the Big 12. I can't do that to my kids, because they'll get beat up. I'd love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from the TV money. And I know how I'd spend the money. I'd build a new soccer stadium, and I'd build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can't do that."

    ===

    Wow, and AD looking out for the kids.

    You gotta admit, it's a stand up AD that looks out for the team, and doesn't just see $$$...

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game and a half then Heaps had all year. He has some rust, but he will be better with more experience and getting his timing. The problem with BYU is Jacobsen is not good in the slot and neither are their RB or TE, so they struggle to spread the field. IMO.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Question: if we leave opposing receivers wide open on third downs regardless of how many players we drop into coverage, WHY do we not blitz more often? Our blitzes caused interceptions and sacks, and it's not like dropping extra guys into coverage has helped us cover the field... Our D-line is stopping inside runs well but not getting enough pressure in the pass rush.

    Also: whatever Bronco is using as a halftime speech is NOT working... The play calling, tackling, pass defense, aggressiveness, fire and mental toughness all take a nose-dive in the third quarter week after week. Maybe we should try something new?

  • Gazpacho Logan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    I really don't know what games many of you here have been watching this season. In 5 quarters of work, Nelson has been 10 times the passer (yes I said passer) that Heaps has been thus far. Yes, Nelson made some potentially costly mistakes, but they are absolutely correctable and not, as some would suggest, a result of a lack of arm strength. Nelson was also victimized on a couple of dropped, yet perfectly thrown passes...one of them for a sure touchdown and another on a third down conversion in the fourth quarter. How many times do we need to see Heaps under-throw, throw behind or rifle a ball 5 yards beyond his target before we realize that he doesn't have the accuracy, touch or patience necessary to be successful right now. Does anyone think Heaps wouldn't have over-thrown Jacobson on that out-and-up touchdown Nelson threw right after the interception?!? Heaps needs lots of work! I am still skeptical about Nelson, and I questioned Mendenhall giving him the start, but Heaps just isn't ready, and I think Nelson can win.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    To Portland Trailblazers: Careful what you wish for, if you are cheering for the Cougs to beat Oregon State. They may get the momentum to also beat the Cougs.

  • Southern Fan st. george, ut
    Oct. 9, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Bbjunkie or uncle heaps,
    Let's Wait until bball season, then respond to a sport you actually know something about. Lol

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    That was a much better prepared team than I think any expected. They repeatedly exploited weaknesses in the defense, mixing up their play calling and their QB read our blitzes really well. For the most part, IMO, this is what every week will look like for the remainder of the season. Most of the teams left on the schedule will have little more to play for than to knock off a team with big media presence and as universally hated as they Y has become. So, all the sarcasm regarding San Jose State...this game is a mini bowl game for these guys, and they played like it.
    Nelson has yet to enjoy an entire week with sole possession of the starting snaps as last week was the "feeling out" week. Most of the time he looked like he'd always been the guy. Hopefully, more reps at practice will equal better timing, mechanics, discipline and fewer bad choices/errors and translate into more wins, which should satisfy even the sourest of you.
    We'll see...

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    BYU should have some plays where Lark or Heaps takes the snap and hands off the ball to Riley for a delayed draw or a pass to a wide receiver or tight end mid-range or perhaps long like the McKay Jacobsen play. Or how about Riley takes the snap, ladrals to Heaps to throw a long pass to a WR or TE. either sould work. Doman, try some of these things. They are simple enough - the OL just needs to do their job and hold out the defense long enough for Heaps to make his reads and his throw. What do you all think?

  • justathought Draper, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Is San Jose State for crying out loud! Wow!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    29-16, Is that all? I guess this shows that byu is even incapable of blowing cupcakes out.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    "@MIP - You mean like the one Arizona State just ate?"
    ---Wldflwr

    Nope. You are comparing Utah to SJSU? That's bold just 3 weeks post debacle. Also, realize Utah was up with 5 minutes left in the third.

    For the record, I cheer for BYU most weeks out of the year (sans Utah, Iowa, and occasionally Utah State) as I have strong ties to the school. My comment wasn't a hater one, but rather as a fan who thinks BYU, and Utah for that matter, could use an "easier" opponent occasionally. But even if you're offended, I stand by my comment. Clearly you don't disagree or you would have had a better post.

    ===

    "Mip,
    Yes, BYU needs them for the next couple of years. If better games had been available you know the Cougars would have played them. But on such short notice BYU is grateful to these teams....Kind of like what the Utes are getting to do in the Pac this year and years to come...."
    ---sammyg

    Agreed, sammyg, with the first half of that post. The last part will have to wait until the end of the season, as like BYU, Utah has more winnable games to come.

  • borox23 Payson, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Heaps should have started and Nelson should have been brought in for Wildcat situations or if Heaps struggled again. Nelson was good against Utah State but lets be honest, were it not for the prayer to Jacobson and a lucky end zone tipped ball there would be no controversy here. We should have put up at least 40 against SJSU but 3 red zone turnovers...should we conclude that Nelson is the better of the two based the USU 2nd half and a game against SJSU while Heaps went against Ole Miss and Texas on the road, UCF at home and a tough USU team. Heaps did struggle against USU but BYU was too quick to hand over the reins and start Nelson, especially with the schedule getting MUCH weaker. My prediction: Heaps transfers if they are going to stick with Nelson for this season and next, wouldn't you?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    BTW - good job BYU on sporting all that Pink..... a cause far more important than any individual game. Many more live are touched and ultimately altered by Cancer, and BYU's sporting the support in such a loud way was commendable.

    Nicely done.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    Ratings for the performance of the San Jose State game at Home.

    Offense First Half Second Half
    Quaterback B B
    O-Line B+ A
    Running Backs C+ B+
    Wide Receivers B No throws

    Defence
    D-Line A A
    Linebackers B+ B+
    D-Backs F F

    Quarterback is not the most pressing problem. The exposure of our passing defense ise the greatest problem we face in the coming games. We have to stop playing soft on all receivers. No receiver had a man near him from the time the ball was snapped. It was the same for this game as all other games, but this coach recognized the futility of runnig into our defensive line and went to the pass much more and very successfully.
    We throw a pass and the man is usually covered by someone with in a few feet or yards. not true when we are on defense. SOFT, SOFT, SOFT and ineffective. Also embarassing.
    Play aggressive pass defense and do not allow them to get into their routes without getting some pressure.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Wow Resolute Voice (8:34 pm)! Why not just give Boise's football program credit where credit is due? Do we detect some football envy and jealousy in your rant?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    @Gazpacho, I couldn't agree with you more.

    Nelson is the QB for the rest of the year as long as he keeps playing like he did against SJSU or better. Although I worry about him getting injured with all the hits he's taking.

    If Nelson stays healthy, he should be the guy again next year. He's not in the same category as the "elite ones", but he has the ability to move the offense and get us some wins. He'll continue to make some mistakes, but he won't get gun shy. Can you imagine what the score would have been if it weren't for his interception and fumble inside the 5 yard line.

    I'd bring Nelson back as the starter again next year, with Lark as the back-up, and red shirt Jake.

    In 2013, if Jake grows to his potential in the next year and a half he could be a star in his Junior and Senior years.

    2011 - Nelson, Heaps
    2012 - Nelson, Lark
    2013 - Heaps, Munns, Hill
    2014 - Heaps, Hill
    2015 - Hill, Mangum
    2016 - Hill, Mangum
    2017 - Mangum
    2018 - Mangum

    There's a couple other QBs that could also make an impact.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    And why isn't anyone saying anything about Michael Alisa? Where have we been hiding this kid all year? He was amazing against the Spartans!

  • srh83 Hillsboro, OR
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    I thought Nelson did great. He brings so much more to the offense than Heaps can bring. His dual threat makes him much better. he did make a few mistakes, but he'll get better. He has way more potential than Heaps due to his athleticism. I was disappointed in some of the drops.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Upon noting Utah's experience in the PAC, I believe BYU should remain indy. It will get old for Utah to have little success in their situation. It would get really old for BYU fans, as they are more critical when BYU's success is lower than what they feel is the standard for BYU. Bronco has already got after the booster club for that exact same thing. Maybe if BYU had a chance to join the Big East, it might be a little better for FB, but then BB is another matter. No way BYU competes in the Big East, at least not for awhile. I think with BF independence and the other sports in the WCC, that is a great situation for BYU. I know it is hard to be left out and your main competitor is chosen to be in a BCS conference. However, things will not always be the same. Let's wait & see how things shake out - we may all be grateful & will see the wisdom of BYU and its board of directors, The Church's General Authorities. Go BYU. Play hard - win big. Let's win out and end up ranked at the end of the season.

  • Mrspudhead POCATELLO, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Wow, I am in shock at the stubborn blindness of so many Cougar/Heaps fans that they can't even give Nelson any credit for 2 games played and 2 W's. Let's look at the stats so far this season-------
    QB efficiency. Nelson 162. Heaps 97(#114 out of 119 QB's)
    Completion%. Nelson 60%. Heaps 54%
    TD's. Nelson 5 Heaps 3
    Long Completion. Nelson 40(2 times) Heaps 37
    Interceptions. Nelson 2. Heaps 5
    Attempts. Nelson 45. Heaps 185
    Rushing. Nelson 135 yds Heaps minus 61
    Rushing per carry. Nelson 5.4/carry. Heaps minus 5.1/carry

    Not to mention 2 of Heaps wins were gifts from the Defense/Special Teams and Heaps best game statictically

  • Mrspudhead POCATELLO, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    was against Utah in a huge blowout!! Just give the guy a break considering he's only had a few reps as a starter!

  • Robert Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    Riley Nelson completed half a dozen long-ish passes that Heaps has consistently overthrown in every game he's played. Nelson is clearly the QB who can get it done, and that's ALL that matters in a QB.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Riley Nelson is now the man.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    OU812
    "All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game and a half then Heaps had all year.

    Against who? oh thats right San Jose State...easy My grandmother has the same odds.lol

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Southern Fan

    Good one let me guess you stayed up all night for that...lol If your so much morre in the know, make your arguement for Riley oh and don't use these weak games to try and prove your point. Because anyone who "knows" about football and can talk about football shouold be able to. Good luck and try not to make yourself look as bad as your post against me was.lol

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    I am trying to figure out again what is worse, Chris B and ute fans or BYU fan who cantinues to try to sale a bill of goods on Riley after giving a sub par performance against San Jose State... and then the best thing they can come up with against my post is wait for Bball season and a sport your can talk about...really? come on someone make a good arguement... and please for the love, don't use the arguement..

    Robert | 5:53 p.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Rexburg, ID
    Riley Nelson completed half a dozen long-ish passes that Heaps has consistently overthrown in every game he's played. Nelson is clearly the QB who can get it done, and that's ALL that matters in a QB.

    No, that is not all that matters unless you want this team to be a well below average football team and a joke of a program in the future.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    Im happy BYU got the win but why cant they put 4 quarters of good football together? That second half was a lackluster effort. The positive for the offense is they didnt punt the entire game but the 3 turnovers were troubling, clean it up Cougars and put it all together for 4 quarters. I did like what I saw from Michael Alisa, he definately needs more carries. Keep Riley as the starter for now he is playing well enough that he deserves to remain the starter.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    Nelson played careless and was very lucky it was against SJSU. This will not work going foward. Bronco has showed his hand with the offence going foward and each team is either equal or better then SJSU. I will be a tough road ahead. I would epect Heaps to be back in the line up soon.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    Alisa was great, and should now start. He is the physical back the Cougars have lacked, he runs it "downhill" or North/South without all the juking around the other backs do, which shows to be just what the Cougars have needed. I am happy to see the coaches are starting to look at playing the players who make plays, who give it their all. Riley and Alisa will only get better if allowed to play.

  • Gazpacho Logan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    I alluded to this in my last post, but now I want answers. I keep reading comments about Nelson's deficiencies and how Heaps should start, but now, please, someone explain what they have seen from Heaps to suggest that he is the answer! I can accept that Nelson may not be the future, but how, specifically, is Heaps better right now?

    A good friend of mine (a Ute fan) called Jake Heaps "Jake Hype". I can't dissagree. Heaps is a highly recruited and exceptionally tallented young man with a lot of potential, a 50% completion rate, and a bench-worthy QB rating. As I said before, he needs a ton of work! Riley has his flaws, but he is winning and his energy is infectious. If, as some suggest, Jake transfers, that will only prove to me that he didn't belong in the first place. Mendenhall loves guys who earn their shot. Jake more or less fell into his. Now is his chance to earn it and I hope he does.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:53 a.m.

    It was wonderful to see passes to the tight ends. More pass plays in the middle please.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:56 a.m.

    The one pass interception by Uale was a gift. It does not count as a great play defensively, though it could have been a bad play if he had dropped it. The defensive backs have a lot to prove going forward. i blame the schemes and the prevent defense at this point. I don't know that anyone could play those schemes and me more effective. Got to go more man to man and stay on them close, like other teams play us. Our passes are usually completed with a defensive player very close. Not true for our defense. We give the quarterback wide open shots at us. Third and long - no problem!!!!!!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    A great win over a quality opponent.

    Nice work.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 10, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    'OU812
    "All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game and a half then Heaps had all year.

    Against who? oh thats right San Jose State...easy My grandmother has the same odds.lol"'

    Your grandmother may have the same odds but, I doubt Heaps would have been able to effectively move the ball against San Jose St.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    BYU fans and Utah fans have switched roles and it's very entertaining to see how Cougar fans react at being in the backseat.
    The reality is that BYU is no longer a football power, they've slipped so far down they are no longer near Utah's level of class or talent, and just like during the years the Utes were poor in football and their fans relished a BYU loss, it's now very similar, Cougar fans have to get satisfaction from a Utah loss because the win against SJSU was so bad.

  • ramadi05 WOODS CROSS, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Did someone actually say Riley was an "accurate" passer? Wow! Here are the facts, Riley can't throw deep, he has little velocity in his passes. He is not a Pro-style QB. Airforce is the type of offense he would excell in. San Jose St made changes in the second half with the intent to make Riley pass. That brought two interceptions, should have been three. Teams like TCU, GA Tech, Notre Dame, Texas, Utah, and Boise St. will not be impressed with Riley's speed. I would rather see James Lark out there showing his stuff over Riley. Riley is not an answer because he is too limited. Didn't we already see that with Riley last year?

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    "It was wonderful to see passes to the tight ends. More pass plays in the middle please."

    Agreed! If the Y can get more passes to the Tight Ends (they had 4 completions for 82 yards and a TD in Saturday's game) it will open up things for the receivers downfield. If a team has to keep 7 'in the box' or within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage to deal with the TE's, you'll see Apo and Jacobson get a lot more 20-30 yard gains, and then the RB's will see more daylight as well.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    Nelson and Tebow

    BYU and the Denver Broncos have much in common. Both have running QB's now and both fan bases have the illusion that things are going to be great going forward. BYU used to be fun to watch with their wide open offense - sort of like Bose St today - but those days are long gone. Yes the Y will beat the cup cakes like San Jose St. but wait till they play TCU. YIKES!! If you are content watching a passing offense being reduced to an Airforce style running attack then I guess the Nelson/Doman offense is for you!! Have fun with it. My advise to Jake Heaps - TRANSFER or see your career die a slow death. Put Jake in a system with a corrdinator like Norm Chow or a head coach like Steve Sarkisian or maybe a coordinator like Brad Anae (take a look at Jakes stat's last year) and you get an average of 300+ yards per game.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Run Nelson Run!!! Get used to it Y fans for the next 2 painful years at least!!

  • CalmDown Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    bballjunkie,
    It's "sell", not "sale". Speaking of which, I'm "selling" the following:
    Football is a violent, gritty, physical game. Riley Nelson is much better prepared than Jake Heaps at this stage in their development to play it. He is physically, mentally and socially considerably more mature. He did make mistakes, in fact, if you go review his post game comments he points each of them out himself, giving himself a "C" for his performance. If Jake, and the coaching staff, take this opportunity to absorb free lessons, they can get a lot of mileage from this.
    I happen to know Southern Fan very well and he actually knows football. He also knows the Nelsons, Larks and many other players and coaches on the team, football that is. In fact, he and I both played with one of the Y coaches, again, that would be football. Simply put, he's right about Riley; Riley's a football player. Riley will be great. It will be fun. I hope, as a Y fan, you can enjoy the remainder of the season.

  • wayne Rosamond, CA
    Oct. 10, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Great start for Nelson. But as bad as San Jose State is what happend in the second half?

    Nelson benefited from the question of who would be the starter. But by half time he had run out of gas. or did the crash corse on the continment rules for San Jose State defense cause Nelson to be unsuccessful. I am not conviced that it was a good idea to take the playcalling of past games out on Heaps. Doman has a lot of responsibility to bear in Heaps lack of confidence.

    Nelson will not benefit from the unknown that was the QB situation last week. once that was settled, Nelson was not effective and that was against San Jose St Not a PAC 12 school.

    I expect to see Heaps get back into the action at OSU. Once Nelson is contained he is a liability to the offense. BYU defense knew it all spring, San Jose St found out that by half time. I do not think that OSU will miss that fact in the film from last week, The cause of BYUs lackluster second half.

  • HS Sport Dude South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    Folks....seriously. The rants between BYU and Utah fans are really cracking me up. It really reminds me how glad I am to have a real college football team to root for (Alabama) that plays in a real BCS power conference. Your fighting over nobodies.

    The only fun a Utah fan can have right now is the fact that you beat your main rival by 44 points. However, your main rival is really bad. They have 4 wins against bad teams. Yep...they beat an SEC Team but so will all the other SEC teams and by many more points than BYU. Vanderbilt beat them by 23. I still feel strongly that other than the 1996 team that beat a good Kansas State team and only lost to a good Washington team no others have been any good. The 1984 bit is a joke. Best team they played was either Hawaii or Air Force (both power houses??) and they beat the 5th place Big Ten Michigan Team for a National Championship. That's weak.

    Then Utah. 0-3 in the second weakest BCS conference and now all the talk about "a tough game every week". Wow....it just gets funnier.

  • BallJunkie South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Just wondering if all the BYU Fans that think you are part of something really special (either now or anytime over the past 30 years) realize that your Cougs are 94-160 against BCS schools or Independents.

    Not too impressive and for sure not reflective of a School with a great history and tradition unless beating MWC and WAC schools is thought to be impressive.

    BTW...Big SEC Fan. Real college football for over 60 years. Now that's tradition and history.

    Sure makes me want to go buy a hat with a big Y on it or get a "Band of Brothers" shirt, or "Rise Up", or go for the "Quest for Perfection", or whatever you come up with next. How about scheduling 3 SEC teams in a season along with 3 Big 12 Teams, and 3 Big Ten Teams. Your Indy now....no excuses. Play a real schedule.

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2011 6:53 a.m.

    BallJunkie,
    A fan is a fan, nothing more, nothing less. You cheer for and support someone else who does something, you don't DO anything yourself. No kidding, the SEC has tougher teams? News flash. These are our teams, our schools, just like everyone else in the country who does not live in the SEC. To be honest, even watching our children in little league ball is exciting. There's nothing like a Friday night at the local HS stadium. In both of these cases it's just having someone to cheer for that makes it great.
    So, you are no better, nor I more diminished a person because of who I cheer for. If anything is laughable, or maybe even pathetic, it's that someone would portray a social stratification dependent upon what fan base one belongs to. It's sports, nothing more.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Oct. 11, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    Shoot, Alisa beat the Spartans. Nelson fell apart at the end.

  • BallJunkie South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    And so it hits rock bottom. You accept that it's a lower level and are just happy with it. I've seen this for 10 years and get on a plane 3-4 times a year during college football season to go see something top end. Enjoy the lower levels you have always been there.

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    I accept nothing more, or less, than enjoyment of being a spectator. I'm sure you'll discount the win at Ole' Miss because it's a down year for them. Nevertheless, that would make that particular SEC school below rock bottom, your words and logic, not mine. I don't think Ole' Miss, or BYU, are that level. In fact, both statistics and history would support that.
    I think I get your point, though. No one should be happy supporting anyone or anything unless it's number 1. Oh well, I think the general populous, like myself, often cheers for who we know, like our kids and their friends. They all can't play for number 1 , but they can play and give their best effort whierever they end up.

    I think it's great that you believe in your team/s enough to get on a plane and support them. Good for you. In the mean time I will try to be happy cheering for my kids and their friends, even though you, some fan from South Jordan, find them somehow unworthy of support.