Class warfare is wrong.
Hmmmmm. I wonder why he called it "jobs bill" instead of "didn't
work before, can't pay for it, should pay down the debt instead, bill?"
Oh, I forgot to add "didn't create jobs last time either" bill. One
Then the rich should pay taxes.Everyone is acting like the GOP is
the one that initially presented this jobs bill. Wrong. It was
Obama who got off his tail and did something about jobs. Now, the Republican
House, after a defeat, gutted it and are pretending to care about Americans
having jobs. Tell me, the Bush tax cuts were initially passed in
2001. Where, are those jobs?
Pagan: The "rich" already pay more than their share of taxes in this
country. Everyone should pay their fair share. How about a flat tax, with no
LOOK at 375-376 sections of this "jobs" bill, more specifically, this
statement:GENERAL-(A) WAIVER- A State's receipt or use of
Federal financial assistance for any program or activity of a State shall
constitute a waiver of sovereign immunity, under the 11th Amendment to the
Constitution or otherwise, to a suit brought by 134 an employee or applicant for
employment of that program or activity under this Act for a remedy authorized
under Section 375(c) of this Act.
Pagan, You sooo do not get it.Obama is running all over the
country blaming the Republicans for not passing the bill. McConnell wants the
vote to prove that it is not just the Republicans holding it up.I
don't think anyone in the GOP wants credit for that piece of garbage. Apparently there were no lessons learned by the President when his last budget
proposal was voted down 97-0. However, you do fail to realize (or at
least acknowledge), that the GOP did put forth "The House Republican Plan
for America's Job Creators" on May 26, 2011. They have passed many pieces
of legislation tied to this plan and those are now stuck in the Senate. So, it
is a flat out lie to say Republicans don't care or haven't done anything for job
creation. You may not agree with the plan, but that doesn't mean it is
You can find the bill on the Whitehouse . gov website.
The richest 1% of Americans have 70% of the wealth of this entire country. They
can afford to pay more in taxes. They don't have to worry about keeping one
house for their family. They have several houses. They don't have to worry
about feeding their family. They put their money away in trust funds for their
children. They have no worries. Why can't they pay a fair amount for the good
of this country. They don't seem to be using their wealth to create jobs, do
they? Ten years of Bush tax cuts have created NO jobs. Why not make the tax
rates the same as they were before Bush lowered them?
The real reason Reid blocked this vote is because even he KNOWS it will be
defeated-not enough votes! Most Democrats do not support it! So much for the
lie that the Republicans are blocking job creation! Fool us once (first
"simulus" scam)shame on Obama. Fool us twice, shame on us! Apaprently
Americans are so easily fooled anymore!
@ been listening. It doesn't matter how much taxes the "rich" pay
because the government will only squander and waste much of it (Solyndra is a
recent example). As it is,the top income producers already pay about 80% of all
federal income taxes while 42% of Americans pay no income taxes at all!How much
is the "rich's" fair share? 80%? How about 100%? Do you really think
it will make any difference at all? We will never tax our way out of the massive
debt the government has accumulated by their out of control spending! There has
to be spending cuts because even the rich can't get us out of debt!
@Pagan | 8:18 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011 You ask where the jobs are that were
supposed to be created by the tax cuts for the wealthy. One could easily take
the easy way out (similar to our current administration) by saying,
"Unemployment would be even worse if the tax cuts didn't exist."
Still, there is better information available.The unemployment rate
in 2010 was over 9.5% for nearly the entire year (there were a couple of summer
months at 9.4%). In December 2010, the unemployment rate was back up to
9.8%.The Bush Tax Cuts were extended on December 17th, 2010.Unemployment dropped to 9.4% in January 2011, and has hovered around 9%
ever since. Nearly a half-percentage point drop in the unemployment rate came
immediately, and the situation has improved markedly since last year.What could have happened in December that would have made such a difference in
January and the following months?
@ Mountainman, history has proven that a country must spend money on
infrastructure, etc. to create jobs in times of recession. The GOP tried
cutting spending 7 years after the stock market crashed in 1929. It caused the
recession to deepen. Only after FDR created jobs, spent money on infrastructure
projects, made the rich pay their fair share of taxes, etc. did the economy
begin to revive. The rich had all of the money before the stock market crashed
in 1929 also. The "World Almanac" explains it all.
The answer isn't more taxation. 35% federal tax is high enough. Almost 10% sales
tax is high enough, 6% state income tax is enough. 8 years in Iraq is enough, 10
years in Afghanistan is enough. 20 years in saudi Arabia is enough. It's a
spending problem not an income problem. Keep taxing the rich, corporations, or
anyone else who makes this economy run, and you'll continue to see them leave to
India and china. Rich people ame corporations don't want to pay for the USA to
occupy the whole world. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but
here's a few simple ideas to lower the deficit.1. Leave Iraq,
Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and every country that we have no business occupying.
It's not our job/responsibility/obligation to police the world. We wil continue
to ruin our country if we don't stop our foreign policy,2. Release
nonviolent drug offenders from prison. I don't condone drug use but the cost to
imprison a crack user for 5 years is not worth it. It costs 47,000 a year to
keep someone in federal prison. 3. Have a responsible government,
how many billions are unaccounted for.
@ been listening. History has proven that massive government debt has caused
economic turmoil in Greece, Spain and England as it is in America. Investments
in infastructure are paid everytime you and I buy a gallon of gasoline which
taxes ($.35/Gal state taxes and $.11.gal federal) are supposed to go for
highways, bridges etc, not the other way around. The vast majority of our debt
has not come from spending on infastructure but on social entitlments. FDR did
not end the depression, the second world war did! The "rich" lost
their money in the stock market crash because they are the the only ones who had
money in the stock market. The poor do not have money to invest in anything!
When taxes are raised job creators have less money to invest in expansion,
hiring, and investment in anything, including the stock market. That's why we
must reduce our massive $14.5 trillion debt. We will never tax our way out of
'The unemployment rate in 2010 was over 9.5% for nearly the entire year (there
were a couple of summer months at 9.4%). In December 2010, the unemployment rate
was back up to 9.8%. The Bush Tax Cuts were extended on December 17th,
2010.' - Hawkeye79 | 9:46 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011 This is a foolish
reply. As, Clinton left office with unemployment around 4.5%
unemployment in 2001. The intial Bush tax cuts, were passed in
2001. And today, even YOU cite unemployment at:
9.8%. So, how EFFECTIVE were the tax cuts for those 'job
creators?' Answer: The natioanl unemployment rate has almost DOUBLED
since we started giving the wealthy tax breaks. And instead of focus
on it's CREATION, and legislation from it's begining. You want to
focus on...December. One year, out of ten. To pick and
choose the numbers you want to believe.... instead of the doubling
of the natioanl debt AND unemployment... under Republican
leadership. That dominated the House, Senate and Presidency from
'Obama is running all over the country blaming the Republicans for not passing
the bill. (sic) So, it is a flat out lie to say Republicans don't care or
haven't done anything for job creation.' - LoveLife | 8:54 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011 Really? *Republicans block small business lending bill' -
By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/29/10 'The
bill would create a $30 billion government fund to help community banks increase
lending to small businesses...' *'Republicans bail on budget talks,
blame Democrats' - By David Espo - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/23/11 You realize you shot your own argument when you try to claim the Republicans
are trying to create jobs... on OBAMA'S bill!
The Senate Republicans called Obama's bluff be demanding an immediate vote on
his jobs bill but Reid said no. The Senate Democrats are scrambling to rewrite
portions of the bill they don't even like. The problem, Mr. Obama, is within
your own party.
To "Pagan | 10:04 a.m. " you are just rambling off topic. The fact of
the matter is simple. Obama is blaming the GOP for not passing HIS jobs
bill.The Republicans said, ok, lets put Obama's jobs bill up for a
vote. Harry Reid, Democrat, said NO, he would not allow Obama's jobs bill to be
voted on.Whine all you want about Republicans, but in this instance
it was the Democrats saying NO to Obama's jobs bill being voted on.