If I'm BYU I would join if an invitation is given, but only for football. Kepp
all their other sports in the WCC in case the Big XII does collapse in 2-5
years. But if I doesnt, then eventually move all sports to the Big XII.XII should also invite TCU, Louisville and Air Force to get to 12. If
expansion is to 14, then I think Memphis and Houston would be good fits.BYU could continue and build its "rivalry" with TCU and build
one with Air Force. PS, hey Ute "fans" how is the Pac 10.2
Get the BYUtv rights on a written contract with the Big 12 and then make the
move BYU. And please don't send football only to the Big 12, we might as well
stay independent if that is all we can get.
If they join the Big 12, BYU shouldn't feel obligated to keep all the
non-football sports in the WCC since that conference only has 6 sports that
don't include things like track and swimming.The WCC has always been
an imperfect solution sought in desperation when the WAC collapsed. If you're
going to join the Big 12, go all in.
The speculation is killing me. Will the conference reorganization drama ever
end?For those concerned with stability, the media rights deal makes
the Big 12 as stable as any other conference. The only real questions are - Will Missouri leave? Not with the new media rights deal. They know
they would be a very small fish in the very big SEC pond.Will the
Big 12 expand to 10 or 12? Oklahoma and most others want 12, and Texas wants
10. Texas will concede in the guise of being a team player and the conference
will go back to 12. There's too much money on the table with the conference
championship game not to go to 12.Who will be added to get to 12?
TCU and BYU are odds on favorites to fill two of the slots. BYU's silence is
telling. If they were not interested in the Big 12, they would be more vocal.
They were waiting to see in the media rights deal went through and for Missouri
to make a decision. Once Missouri decides to stay, expect an announcement
within a few days.Louisville will likely be the 12th team added,
with WVU going to SEC.
BYU needs to be quiet. The last time they trusted someone they got thrown under
If half of the Big 12 had joined the Pac 12 creating a superconference BYU would
have had reason to worry.That being said, that arrangement is really
not viable and was only a move by Oklahoma for bargaining purposes. BYU should continue forward with concern for Independent scheduling. If the
Big 12 comes to them singing the right tune, great but, I think BYU is in a
pretty good position regardless of what transpires. Super-conferences are a lot of fun for talk show hosts to discuss but, the
reality is it's a difficult thing to pull off. Anyone caught up or planning
around them is focusing on the "20" of the "80/20" rule.
Hey Tom, there are seats available on flights to Texas. Are you booked? You
could use my credit card if you need to.
I am a graduate of Oklahoma State and I watched the Big 8 expand to the Big 12.I
am caught up in this conference realignment talk. I now believe that the recent
decisions have made the Big 12 Conference stable and I, for one, would love to
see BYU join the North Division. I would also love to see your rival, Boise
State, lured away from their recent conference commitments and also join the
North with another joining the South to bring our numbers back to 12. BYU would
be a fine addition to our conference, hopefully in all sports, not just
Listen to me, stay Indepedent. Your trips to Ames, Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan
(KS) are horrible nearly year round. I know this, trust me...Midwest is not
idea in any way shape or form for weather. The Utes are blessed to be able to
go to AZ, CA, WA, and OR...much better venues and cities...
usbummer, I do not want to see Boise in the same division as BYU. Most people
are so sick of Boise, and I doubt they'd want them anyways. They are only good
in football and are not strong academically. Boise is not our rival. I don't
know where you got that from.BYU would be crazy to only join in
football. Does BYU seriously want their teams in the WAC, WCC, Big 12, and any
other conference? What a mess that would be. Go big or don't go. I for one, do not want BYU to join. Like Utah, I think it would be hard to
win conference championships very often and may take years to start doing so.
The PAC and Big 12 have very dominant teams in specific sports. I like knowing
Utah will not win a championship in a long time...I don't want BYU to join that
losing side. However, BYU won ~140 MW championships to Utah's ~49, so BYU would
likely be winning first.
@ Portland Trail Blazers"PS, hey Ute "fans" how is
the Pac 10.2 working out?"I'm so glad you are worried about the
Utes. The "Pac-12" is working out great! We took a beating by
Washington, but that was expected with our starting QB going down. But, give the
Utes a few years to get depth on their roster. Utah wouldn't trade the Pac-12
for any other conference. Thanks for thinking about us though. PS,
How is irrelevance working out for you? I mean Independence? I felt so bad for
the Cougies after that 54-10 beat down Utah handed you on ESPN2 for the whole
country to see. Ouch! ESPN must be embarrassed to sign an 8 year deal for a
sub-par team to get smoked!
@ Bleed Crimson They are embarassed from the beat down, but he there
not 0-2 in conference play, and the Utes are representing the state of Utah and
haven't showed up against the Pac yet, and they won't this saturday against ASU.
The Big 12 should just add AFA, BSU and BYU and call it good. Three teams to
get back up to 12. Three new markets for TV contracts. Look west Big 12. Too
much competition on the east side.
@Bleed CrimsonSpeaking of Irrelevance... Crimson? When will
Utah actually incorporate "Crimson" into their Uniforms.Fire Engine-Nebraska Red and Black doesn't cut it anymore.When
Utah can get their Colors and Mascot straight (Red Tail Hawk? Utes?) then U can
talk. Oh, that political correctness can be so hard to navigate. Stanford used to be the Indians. They are now the Cardinal, not the bird, The
Color! And their mascot is a "Tree"!Utah, you really
have finally found your Home. Like-Minded Conflicted Libs. Enjoy!As for irrelevance, ESPN does not think so, regarding BYU. Thankfully, the "Nation" tuned out of the Utah/BYU game, so like all
Utah Games, nobody really saw it. In fac,t the Central Florida v BYU
game drew 3 times the audience.We'll see BYU again this week on one
of the ESPN netrworks, and Utah? KJZZ?Anyone?
@wookieSo because utah's conference teams are on the pacific coast
and Arizona that means BYU shouldn't join the BIG12 if invited? You have been on
here for months claiming BYU will never get an invitation anyway, now that it
looks like a very real possibility your position is they shouldn't go because of
weather?That sounds like more ute "fan" paranoia to me.
The BIG12 is a superior conference to the pac10 in both football and basketball,
if BYU ever becomes a member of that conference there is nothing utah
"fans" like yourself can claim superiority in except one completely
irrelevent thing....weather. Your new spin is the weather is better in utah's
conference. LOL!Now I will give you this, I would prefer to travel
to better weather destinations to see my team play, but I'll travel to the other
places anyway. Ultimately fans just want to see their teams play.Now
once again joining the BIG12 is something I'm not sure I want to see BYU do but
I find it extremely funny how disconcerting, frankly down right terrifying, the
possibility of it is to utah "fans". Now you're reduced to
"weather" smack. LOL!
Portland Trail Blazers:"If expansion is to 14, then I think
Memphis and Houston would be good fits."Memphis? Memphis is so
bush league, it couldn't even carry the COUGARS' water. Why would you want
Memphis in your league? Do you think you'll need more cupcakes to keep from
going 0-9 in league play? It isn't as if the Big TeX needs to bolster their
basketball league, and since football is the who's been driving the Brinks
truck, under no circumstances would adding Memphis add value to the
conference."PS, hey Ute "fans" how is the Pac 10.2
working out?"I have to laugh at cougar fans desperate attempts
to denigrate Utah's exaltation into those mid-majorey, frantic and emotional
cougars' first choice of conferences. You wanna know how it's been working out?
I'll tell you...it worked out GREAT! We were INVITED! And to a conference
whose TV package is worth 3-times the value of the Big TeX, which I might add,
you haven't been invited to yet.Edge: Utah.
All this conference smack and mascot smack and colors smack is irrevelant.How about we talk about wins? Both teams have been embarrassed once this
year. Fortunately for BYU, their embarrassing loss had little to no bearing on
the end of the season. Yes, BYU is locked into the Armed Forces Bowl. After the
loss to Tx all hope of BCS busting went out the window. Utah had zero effect on
that.Utah fans on the other hand were pounding their chests that the
utes could break into the Pac12 Championship game THIS year. Their first year
ever in the Pac12. As impressive as that would have been, they are now 0-2 in
conference and lost a pitiful game to a mid-pac12 team. Losing to Pitt wont
matter you say? Well, it will matter if you dont have enough wins to get into a
Bowl Game. You need 6 wins to go bowling and I only see 3 more than U will be
the favorite to win. Do the math.I'd say Utahs embarrassing loss is
quite a bit more embarrassing. And more of a reality check for ute fans.
@duck hunter. The offer is not on the table according to most sources. Be that
as it may, to state that the Big 12 is a better conference is a bold statement
backed by nothing but hot air. There is a reason why the PAC-12 if titled,
"The Conference of Champions". An interesing statistic from the
Bejing Olympics. It was stated that the athletes from the PAC-12 alone would
have ended up in the top 10 for medal count. As for weather, it is more than
just terrible midwest weather. There is NOTHING to do in the midwest...Nothing
but drinking and talking about the weather, lol.
Bluto:For once, I actually agree with you. I've been advocating the
Utes wearing "Crimson" ever since my college days in the 90s. And
while I LOVE our "Blackout" events, I do not like that "Texas
Tech" RED jersey with BLACK pants look displayed in last weekend's game.
And correct you are about that Red Tailed Hawk. For starters, it
looks like a chicken on steroids. But most importantly, we are not the
"Red Tailed Hawks". We're "UTES"! What an AWESOME mascot
to have. And we should run with it the way Florida State does with a fierce
Native American warrior, a horse, and a flaming spear....or something cool like
that, that would honor the proud heritage of our namesake.But let's
not do the "tomahawk chop". That looks pretty lame.GO
UTES!!!P.S.: It's true..."Independence" =
"Irrelevance". And it's really just another glorified title for
@wookieI really like the way you pretended that the olypmic sports
have anything to do with it. 1st of all I said the Big12 is superior to the
pac10 in "football and basketball" and it is. There isn't even any
real argument to the contrary. I didn't say anything about womens gymnastics,
softball, cross country or any other irrelevent sport. Besides with the
exception of womens gymnastics utah is pretty poor in all of those
"olympic" sports so you can look forward to years of futility in all
of them, not that that is anything new as they were pretty futile in their old
conferences.Did the pac10 win gold in football and basketball in
Beijing and we just havn't heard about it?As far as BYU going to the
BIG12, well none of us knows anything, but it's pretty obvious based on all of
the talk, rumors, etc. that there is something to it. How that will turn out is
anyones guess but like I said before, the meer possibility of it happening is
absolutely destroying utah "fans" like yourself. naval vet has to
hysterically get on here multiple times per day to try and pretend otherwise.LOL!
Navel Vet:Speaking of cupcakes Utah's record in the Pac 12 0-2.You can always talk about beating BYU, making more money, (Utah's exaltation?)
and a invite to the Pac 12.I guess those things mentioned above does give
Utah the Edge if winning in the Pac 12 isn't that important.
Duckhunter:"The BIG12 is a superior conference to the
pac10...if BYU ever becomes a member of that conference there is nothing utah
'fans' like yourself can claim superiority in except one completely irrelevent
thing....weather."What about "SCOREBOARD!!!"? 54-10?
How's THAT for superiority Mr. Indy-WACer? Or our 21-yr lead in the overall
rivalry? Or our Bowl record; complete with TWO BCS bowls to your
never-been-considered. Or our $3 billion TV contract to your $1.1 billion one.
So you see? There's PLENTY of examples of Utah superiority.But look
on the bright side my jealous, frantic and emotional little brother. I'm sure
you have the superior Haka dancers.
@ Counter Intelligence | 12:30 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Why is the Big 12 a BYU story? Has there been an invite or an
acceptance? Don't think anyone knows for sure.
Duckhunter:"I find it extremely funny how disconcerting,
frankly down right terrifying, the possibility of it is to utah 'fans'. Now
you're reduced to 'weather' smack. LOL!"I'm afraid you have it
backwards. It was extremely funny how disconcerting, and frankly, downright
terrifying it was for you COUGS to watch the UTES get promoted to the Pac-12
(the very conference you all fantasized about having secret negotiations with
ever since the late 1970s) while you wallowed in irrelevant, unwanted obscurity,
and publicly REJECTED by every expanding AQ conference in the country. Admit
it. You soiled yourselves. And so did Dir. Holmoe when he, in typical frantic
and emotional cougar knee jerk reaction, tried to join the WAC. And I have to
laugh at you highlighting "completely irrelevant" metrics. YOUR
fanbase has been bragging about "attendance" and "numbers of fans
listening on the RADIO" for years. Haha! I certainly don't recall ever
seeing any of THOSE criteria in measured in BCS Bowl formulae.L-O-L
Duckhunter:"...naval vet has to hysterically get on here
multiple times per day to try and pretend otherwise."Pretend
what? Pretend that the Utes are members of the richest AQ conference in the
country? Pretend that our mid-majored, little brother Indy-WACers hadn't
received any invitations to join the Big TeX, or any other AQ conference? Ever?
Because I'm not pretending. You haven't. No, I'm afraid that it
is Y fans who are the great "hysterical" pretenders. It had been the
Y fans who pretended to have a Big TeX invitation already in hand. It had been
the Y fans who had pretended to have been invited to join the Big [L]East
earlier last summer. It had been the Y fans who have been pretending to have
been engaging in super-secret talks with both the Pac-10 and the Big XII for
conference membership for nearly 3 DECADES!
Truth Seeker:"Speaking of cupcakes Utah's record in the Pac 12
0-2."Yes, we are 0-2 vs. teams with an aggregate record of 8-2.
You guys were 0-2 vs. teams with a 6-2 record, so I'm not sure which of those 2
Pac-12 opponents you were referring to as cupcakes. And if you were referring
to UTAH as the cupcake, all I can say is...SCOREBOARD!!! 54-10!
The teams you beat have an aggregate record of 3-6.
BYU cant compete in the Big 12. If scheduling can be accomplished they would
be far better off staying independant.
Counter Intelligence:I could just as easily inquire as to why YOU
are so obssessed with ME? But if you REALLY want to know why I love posting on
cougar stories, go read my comment over on the "Start Heaps or Nelson? Both
plans can work" article on pg. 4, then scroll all the way down to near the
bottom at 1:53 pm.
@ Duckhunter...go spend sometime looking at which conference has won more
football and basketball titles, especially after the realignment. You will lose
the argument on facts alone. You lost it long ago by your meritless and
profoundly unsound argument. Please, go and enjoy a wonderful
football game in Ames Iowa or Waco Texas...I live in the Midwest, I know what
you are in for. My position all along is that if I was BYU, I'd stay indepedent
so that you can schedule where you want to play versus having to play in cities
that have nothing to do. I prefer to take my family to vacation destinations
where they can take part in family fun activities outside of a
football/basketball game. I'm assuming you didn't have much of a family life,
let alone any fun. Thus, those cities should suit you just fine.
The reality is that if you search on articles across the country that mention
BYU, you quickly find out the BYU is currently one of the more talked about
schools because of the speculation they are the 1st choice to join the BIG12.
If I remember correctly, I believe Utah was about the 6th choice for
the expanding PAC 12. BYU will be in the BIG 12 next year, and Utah
in the PAC. The only difference between the two schools and their foray into
the BCS club will be that BYU demonstrated that it could go independent,
broadcast games across the world, and sign their own contract with ESPN.
Something Utah could have never done.For all this talk of
"irrelavence" by Utah fans, I think they are wishing that, but deep
down they and everyone else knows that at the end of the day, BYU has twice the
fan base, will be in a BCS conference, has the upper hand at recruiting in Utah,
as well as tapping into the LDS athlete connection across the US, and a better
recruiting field in the Texas market. Things are looking just fine
@Counter Intelligence:Naval Vet is having one of his days..."The art of being wise is the art of knowing what to
overlook."William James ['Principles of Psychology', 1890]Leave him alone in his corner...
Counter Intelligence | 1:40 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT @1984 for life "Why is the Big 12 a BYU story?""Is it a U story?"I don't think it is a story about
either BYU or Utah. The PAC 12 will work out for Utah and I believe that BYU
will thrive in Independance. That's why I'm asking why this matters until an
invitation is offered or accepted.
For all those saying "football only, leave the rest of the sports in the
WCC", the Big 12 will not accept that and neither should BYU want it. One
of the things that makes the Big 12 such a terrific conference is that they play
all sports really well. BYU should want to be part of that. For all saying
BYU should stay independent, that is incredibly short-sighted. Most people in
the know still believe there will be super-conferences. and if you're not in a
BCS conference, there is little chance of getting into the super-conferences.
If not in a super-conference, then we might as well shut down sports because the
money will dry up - with recruiting problems, scheduling problems, coaches
leaving, etc. BYU will be in the Big 12 next year. Sunday play
issue has been dealt with, BYUtv is still good and we keep the money from it
(ala the LHN for Texas). Stability has been resolved with the possible
exception of Mizzou. I'm not sure how good we'll be in many sports in the
first few years but we must go. We're the first new school in.
For a week-by-week comparison of all football conferences in the United States,
ESPN maintains a composite poll of the AP poll and a computerized poll. It is
published weekly. I haven't seen it this week, but going into the past weekend's
games, the Big 12 was ranked 1st in football followed very closely by the SEC,
the PAC was in a group of several other conferences a distant second. You can
check it out for yourselves.
It is my understanding that the Big 12 will meet tomorrow (Wednesday) to
authorize expansion. There is little doubt that very soon thereafter that BYU
will be formally invited to join the Big 12 North. As a Big 12 fan I am
extremely excited about this development. You will bring honor, stability and
prowess to the conference. As to the poster who asked me where I got the idea
that there was a rivalry between BYU and Boise State, I must state that I
assumed it from the Deseret News that the games had been renewed for the next
quarter of a century. A wise Big 12 marketing scheme can market that as a
rivalry. I also assumed that a competition that was renewed for that length of
time must be a rivalry. Was I mistaken?
@usbummer. Honor, Stability and prowness...you are a little off. Honor should
be replaced with hypocrisy, stability should have an disclaimer stating only
when on their medication, and prowness is obviously replaced with manipulative.
Well MIZZOU is officially exploring options to leave the Big 12 now. Great! now
the conference can bring in a bunch of mid-majors. I can't believe BYU fans
would want to be part of a sinking conference. Especially with a bully like
Texas acting like they are the alamo and will not give up their TV plans. How
will BYUs ESPN deal play into that conference mess? Stay independent for now.
CoachWinWA:"If I remember correctly...Utah was about the 6th
choice for the expanding PAC 12."Actually, we were #5 behind
(1) Texas, (2) Texas A&M, (3) Oklahoma, and (4) Colorado. Utah was always
the more desired school over Tx. Tech and Oklahoma St. Proof is in the fact
that without Texas, Tech never receives an invitation; and without Oklahoma,
Oklahoma St. has no shot. Tech and State were coattailers, but Utah was a
candidate all along. In fact, we were a candidate long before the coattailers
tried hitching a ride with the Pac-10's top 3.If I recall correctly,
even Tech and State were more desired than the Y, so I wouldn't go there with
"Utah was the booby-prize" talk."...you quickly find
out the BYU is...the 1st choice to join the BIG12."Not so.
Here is the order of the Big TeX's reported order of preference:(1)
No expansion/remain at 10-teams (Remember? You weren't wanted last summer!),
(2) Texas A&M, (3) Notre Dame, (4) Arkansas, (5) protect/rework their $1.1B
TV contract/remain viable sans A&M at 9-teams WITH Missouri, (6) other.You're #6 --> AT BEST!
Portland Trail Blazers said:"If I'm BYU I would join if an
invitation is given, but only for football. Kepp all their other sports in the
WCC in case the Big XII does collapse in 2-5 years. But if I doesnt, then
eventually move all sports to the Big XII.XII should also invite
TCU, Louisville and Air Force to get to 12. If expansion is to 14, then I think
Memphis and Houston would be good fits.BYU could continue and build
its "rivalry" with TCU and build one with Air Force. PS,
hey Ute "fans" how is the Pac 10.2 working out?"Memphis? Are you kidding! They bring nothing to the table. PS,Funny how a cougar fan is brining up Utah's Pac 12 experience. It just
started. You have nothing but WAC teams as your legacy and zero conference
@Bluto,You say: Speaking of Irrelevance... Crimson? When will
Utah actually incorporate "Crimson" into their Uniforms.Our answer: When will BYU actually incorporate copper into their official
school colors (as their past uniforms have, and as much of their merchandise
still has)?You say: Fire Engine-Nebraska Red and Black doesn't cut
it anymore.Our answer: Neither does USU navy blue.You
say: Utah, you really have finally found your Home. Like-Minded Conflicted
Libs. Our comment: And BYU, you have yet to find a home.You say :Thankfully, the "Nation" tuned out of the Utah/BYU game.Our answer: Not really. Just the 50,000 BYU fans who left in the 3rd
quarter.You say: We'll see BYU again this week on one of the ESPN
networks.Our comment: You guys are sounding more and more like
Boise State every day. You remember them---the team always on ESPN at strange
hours, playing only 1 or 2 good teams all year and telling the rest of the world
how they deserve to be National Champions.Join a real conference,
and then we'll talk.
I said months ago that Utah needed a strong first two years or they would become
another WSU in the Pac 12. Well they are well on their way to irrelevance. And
to all BYU haters, BYU has or will get an invite to the Big 12. If they accept
is the question. If they make a north south division in the Big 12, my money is
on BYU getting to the conference championship before Utah.
I am impressed with the knowledge that some people here possess. They must have
sat in on the meetings with the pac10 and big twelve and currently advising the
big 12 on who to ask and not ask.I will follow them to stay current
on where the y is and what to expect.
@naval vetThe fact you had to post 3 unhinged replies to my single
post made my day. LOL! You are cracking up. This whole expasion story, and BYU's
role in it, is dominating you day and night. I have no doubt you lay awake at
night fretting over it.LOL!
@GoRedNo, BYU Blue is a "Patented Pantone Color". As is
BYU Tan. It's not Navy. Navy is closer to black.And btw, Utah St.
took their color from "Navy"!And coming soon to RES...The Running errr Utes errr Red Tailed err Hawks errr dressed in their
Crimson err Nebraska-Red err and black? (How did that get in here).. err
Uniforms.They'll be playing the Team named after Leland Stanfords
son, formerly the Indians errr (too generic, no Chief to grant a special
dispensation) now the Cardinal (color) errr as to not offend the birds and thier
errr Mascot? A Tree? As to not offend any animals?Oh yea,
Utah, you are finally home. The land of libs and PC. Enjoy!Wait until it dawns on the Stanford Band that the U of U was founded by
Brigham Young himself, and there are Mormons everywhere at Utah.BYU
still averages abt. 62k per game and U?ESPN National Saturday 8 pm. You
mock such a time?As the Pac 12 has a Thursday night game for the 3rd week
in a row.And U? kjzz, root, helloo?Seriously, is this the best
you can do?
@BlutoYour post makes little sense. All you do is talk again of
school colors (what's the relevancy with that?), "libs" (yes, Utah and
the Pac 12 are more liberal than BYU), and what exactly is "err" that
you use repeatedly? Are you confusing this comment board with trying to be on
the Jim Rome show? Either way, it falls short of being effective.Yes, the whole world knows that the BYU stadium hold 62,000 people. But what
good is that when 50,000 of those desert their team half way through the game
against their bitter rival?And playing on ESPN? I already addressed
that. You are using Boise State's argument. Playing on a larger network means
nothing, especially if you get embarrassed, like the Utah 54 BYU 10 game.As far as Utah's TV deal is concerned, the Root station is the same
station as FSN that the Jazz play on. However, it reaches to all of the schools
in the Pac 12 area, which is good enough for all of the Pac 12 teams.Really, I've written coherently and made sense.The question is, is
that really the best that you can do?
BYU fans should really be quiet about "exposure" and Google searches
and TV contracts and all that.Winning is the only thing that counts,
and independence, so far, has them taking them a step backward. BYU used to
play MWC opponents, now they play the WAC teams.The tide is turning
with the alumni, esp. those who don't live in Utah. About the only thing that
will them back is (a) Bronco being set free and (b) BYU joining a conference,
any conference.(BYU grad)