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  • vermillion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    "(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that we're holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms," DiLuigi said.

    Wow. How many different ways can you milk that "Band of Brothers" cow? That's just plain ridiculous.

    Byu, how about trying "Hold on to the darn football because it's so darn obvious that's what you're supposed to do!"

  • Gondos Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    After hearing about how bad that Utah O line was, I think they gave Wynn pretty good protection, at least alot better than the heralded BYU O-line gave Heaps.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    If it weren't for those turnovers, the game would have been a lopsided victory for BYU. Jake Heaps is just like Max Hall at this point; he's got talent and is a really good QB, but when things start going wrong and he feels too pressured, he does more harm than good to the team.

    Make Nelson a starter? Hmmmm, probably not. Lark? Maybe. Keep Heaps as starter? As long as he performs. Keep him on a short leash, then put Lark in if Heaps doesn't improve. Don't give Heaps tenure-- he may be good, but he hasn't earned it yet.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    With the exception of the bad snap, no one can blame the BYU lines for the team's failure at the Utah game. The skill players couldn't hold onto the ball, and Heaps lack of heart.

    Three unforced fumbles and four forced fumbles has nothing to do with the ability of the lines to do their jobs. Admittedly, in the fourth quarter, BYU's defense quit, but that was probably due to loss of faith in the offence, and mental and physical exhaustion.

  • MN Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    @Majmajor

    That's what happens when each of the first three drives end in fumbles, especially since two of them were in the Utes red zone. I'll be the first to admit, except for the turnovers, the BYU offense was walking down the field in the first half. Problem is, like you said, to keep watching red zone turnovers and to continuously have to go out and grind with the Ute offense is mentally hard on the BYU D. So I don't think that much blame should go to the Y defense at all, as they only let in one td in the first half, or even the O-line that much. Mainly, it should go onto Heaps, who overthrew wide open receivers at points and essentially choked, and the skills players, who fumbled far too many times in general, let alone in the red zone.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    Defense should NEVER quit. It's about who you are and having pride and heart. Regardless of how poorly your offense plays, the D has to stand up. With the U's offensive line in question, you would have thought that Bronco would have brought more pressure on Wynn. USC showed that he doesn't do well with pressure and yet he had all night to wait for his receivers to get open. Apparently Bronco did not watch the game film of the USC game or he wasn't able to see the obvious from it.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    There is a kind of humility that lets you take nothing for granted, that keeps you alert, focused, and striving to do your best, and better, each play, that brings a gratitude for opportunity and desire to represent well those who are supporting and cheering you on. Its losing concern for self and giving yourself up for the team effort. When proper technique is not being used to secure the ball, that has to be an indicator to the attitude of the players. BYU footballers can't just expect that by showing up, they will win, they have to earn it.

  • Quayle Dallas, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    Doman needs to get up in the press box and do his job. Norm Chow, arguably the finest OC in college football, chooses to sit up in the box. How in the world do Doman and Bronco think they know and can do it better than Norm?

    If I were Bronco, if I learned that Norm drank lime juice during games, I'd have Doman drinking lime juice.

    Doing it your own special way and thinking somehow you know better smacks of a troubling arrogance.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Riverton Kewg -

    "If it weren't for those turnovers, the game would have been a lopsided victory for BYU"

    "If" is the BYU fan's favorite word. "If" there weren't so many turnovers, "if" our team would have played to potnetial, "if" the refs wouldn't have made that call....

    The fact remains that THERE WERE those turnovers. Many, many turnovers.

    54-10!

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    I think the Ute coaching staff saw an opportunity of how the ball was handled. I saw on TV how the ball was carelessly handled at both the Miss. and Texas games; an opportunity to knock the ballout of the runners hands.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    In other news, a farmer who lost all his cows just shut the door to his barn.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    No way to put a good spin on this for BYU. BYU stunk in this game. Without turnovers the game would have been much different. I think BYU would have been up by 14-21 points at half but they did commit the turnovers. It got into BYU's heads and they couldn't shake it. That is what happens to young teams sometimes. Young teams are also more likely to bounce back faster.
    Let's hope BYU is able to play a solid game and they can correct their offensive woes this Friday.
    it would be really bad if they rolled over like Utah did last year against Notre Dame a week after the Epic beat down at the hands of TCU on their home field.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    estreetshuffle, last year "the block" was the result of a Ute watching film and seeing weakness on the right side of BYU's kick protection. Attention to detail beats the band.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    TJ and Riverton Cougar

    It's funny to see so many "ifs" by BYU fans. Do you realize that even in a 54-10 blowout that Ute fans could still say the same thing? What IF they call the helmet to helmet on Uale? Does Utah get a Touchdown on that drive? What IF Utah's kicker doesn't miss a field goal and an extra point? What IF Utah keeps trying on offense in the 4th quarter? Do they score 70 or 80 points?
    There are too many ifs on both sides for someone to honestly assume that for this reason or that my team would've won in a game they lost 54-10.
    Not trying to be a jerk, just sayin.

  • Cobara Kai North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    I have talked to so many BYU friends of mine and they all say the same thing, Utah didnt demolish BYU. BYU was right there with them for 2 quarters. Now I read Bronco saying the same thing:
    "I don't think it was large at all, actually. In fact, I thought it was about dead-even, to be honest with you," the Cougars' coach said. "The game through, I would say, 2 1/2 quarters, was indicative of the talent and the parity of (that talent).
    I dont know when a football game was 2 quarters but hand it to Y fans to always find some way to win when they get a beat down.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    If you Utah fans honestly think that BYU was playing at their best, then you are FOOLS. I don't have a problem with what Utah's team did, but to say that because of last Saturday Utah is CLEARLY the best team is not accurate. Unfortunately now we'll never know how the teams truly compare because the BYU team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the game (notice that even after all the turnovers, the score was very close in the first half).

    If Utah and BYU were to play again at the end of the season, I say BYU wins this time around.

    Don't call us out on the "ifs". They aren't that bad. After all, "if" the BCS didn't exist, Utah could have been national champions in 2008; "if" Bradford wasn't injured, BYU would have lost to Oklahoma, etc. They provide people with the opportunity to assess how things should be ideally, because things don't always go the way they should. Too bad BYU played the way they did. My "ifs" aren't excuses.

  • Ute Fan In Utah West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    Good teams take advantage of opportunities, good teams know their opponents weaknesses, good teams don't turn the football over in the red zone, good teams play a full four quarters every game, good teams make adjustments at halftime. Make "ifs"(excuses) all you want, the better team made less mistakes, took advantage of their opponents mistakes, and found a way to win.

  • Unlucky HEBER CITY, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Utah would win 7 or 8 times out 10. There is more talent at Utah. BYU is closer to the talent at Utah State. Coaches talking about how talented they are doesn't work. Every coach thinks tey have talent at the beginning of the year. I beleve talent incompasses all areas physical, mental and emotional. BYU might have as good physical talent as Utah, but pale in comparison in mental and emotional talent. When someone talks about the ability to become a great football team, they are admitting that they aren't right now. It has been years since BYU beat a great team. Oklahoma is the best win in about 20 years and they lost 5 games that year.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter Hunter

    Well IF it hadn't been for USC, the u would be playing for the National Championship in a couple of months. And if it hadn't been for the "no respect from the national media", they would have be crowned National Champs two times in the past few years.

    Oh well, what could have been for the mighty utes. Still looking for respect from the National Media and still looking for their 1st Heisman winner, Outland trophy winner, Doak Walker award winner, etc, etc, etc, etc....well you get the point. (well, maybe not)

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Good to hear that we are working on ball security. Wish we had done that in August and in the spring drills. I know we were not working on how to snap the ball or how to throw down field, but I am not sure what we did? Of course, since football is their number 5 responsibility, it could have been a lot of things.

  • mo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    I just have to quote you because I can't believe how much rationalizing went into your reasoning:
    "I don't have a problem with what Utah's team did, but to say that because of last Saturday Utah is CLEARLY the best team is not accurate."

    Its is not just accurate, it is truth. The BEST teams don't quit. EVER. If BYU quit, or more likely were simply outclassed and overpowered, then either way, they are the worst team of the two. Scoreboard, my friend.

    And again with the rationalizing:
    "If Utah and BYU were to play again at the end of the season, I say BYU wins this time around."

    And IF that were to happen, I'd congratulate BYU on hiring the New England Patriots to play in their place. Now that's a personnel move to be proud of.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    "(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that we're holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms," DiLuigi said.

    Seriously? Really? How far does Bronco go out of his way to mix football and religion anyway? No wonder BYU players actually think they're missionaries.

    News flash: Focus on football and you'll probably be a better football team.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    defibman | 12:30 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011
    Syracuse, UT

    Whether you post as defibman, bigsoccer or utehaterforlife, the schtick never changes.

    Your team lost 54-10 and they QUIT, or as Steve Young told ESPN "they capitulated", which just so you know means " to surrender unconditionally or to give up resistance."

    You might want to spend your time posting dealing with that issue.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    defibulator-

    54-10! The all time head-to-head lead keeps increasing.

    I have never used "ifs" to describe the state of my team. The Yners got pasted and cannot admit that they were beat handily. When you join reality, give me a call and we can talk.

    It was so funny to watch the "fans" run for the parking lot after the 3rd quarter on Saturday night.

    I cannot believe you brought Glass Staley into the conversation. LOL!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    Roscoe should've gone into comedy.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter,

    you bring up history back to 1896 and chide someone for mentioning a Doak Walker winner (and Ute beater) from 2001? That's pretty selective...

  • ParkCoug PARKER, CO
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    The team needs to find a way to score more than 10 points a game. The QB coach and the OC need to get it together. This should not be a training ground for an ineffective QB coach/OC that could never get Max Hall to think on his feet and the same for Heaps.

  • Smack Jefferson City, MO
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    Sorry Riverton Cougar, but I have to take issue with one of your comments. You said: "Unfortunately now we'll never know how the teams truly compare because the BYU team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the game[.]"

    That's ridiculous. We know exactly how the teams truly compare. That's why the game is played--to see how the teams truly compare. It's only before the game--when all of us are puffing and speculating--that we cannot know how the teams truly compare.

    And, in fact, at this point, even you know how the teams truly compare because the game revealed to you that (as you said) "the BYU team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the game." In other words, by your estimation, the BYU team was willing to quit, whereas the Utes (by comparison) had the grit to play a full game. That is how the teams truly compared.

    Utah was the superior (and non-quitting) team. We know this. It is not an unchangeable fact, but it is the fact right now. Good luck next year--a sentiment I'm always willing to extend--but . . .

    Go UTES!

  • SoFlaUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    I think all these excuses make the game that much more enjoyable! Bronco says they didn't quit, fan base says they did. Bronco says they were outplayed, outcoached, outmatched. Fan base says Y gave the game to the utes. The only thing the turnovers demonstrate is that Utah players were smarter, stronger, than the player with theball. Why don't you y fans learn about true class from the Alabama fans. When your beat as completely as that result just take it. The better team won, period. You were beat so badly we took your team's morale. In their stadium. No excuses

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    How about working on a QB with some more to offer then throwing the long bomb for the glory shot. Here is an idea how about courage, guts and a team concept for a QB 1.

    Heaps can not move and when he does he looks like a complete wheeble whaable, remember those goofy toys.

  • U4Me Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    RE:"(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that we're holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms,"

    You have got to be kidding! This is not Little League or Sunday School. Its Football! Stop the dumb yearly themes and start acting and playing like a College team.

    You embarrass me and Im a Ute fan.

    Utah forced the turn overs, accept that, fix it, and come out a better team.

    Also, you're ambassadors of the Church, start acting like it.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Riverton Coug,

    We do know who the best team is by your comments. BYU gave up. The UTE players did not. That is how you judge the character and strength of a team. It stems from the coach, and the UTES seem to have the better one. Even though the UTES got man handled by TCU last year, they were still trying to play D, and also trying to move the ball to score points. If they played again at the end of the year, the UTES would probably win again, because the Y players would be trying to hold onto the ball like the band of brothers would. This will only make them fumble the ball more. Get real Riverton Coug, stop with all the IFS, and just enjoy the fact that your team got beat down by their rival. Nothing else needs to be said. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. the UTES won, the Y lost, that's it.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    In addition to working on ball security, the "fans" are working on their insecurities of cheering for a program that is fading into irrelevance.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    @ Riverton Coug

    "If" BYU didn't lose games, they'd go to BCS bowls.