All of the top 5 in 3A would beat herriman
@markymark.....let me guess you also predicted a BYU beatdown of Utah!! hahaha!
Mustangs would smash 3A.
@markymark....Sorry friend but none of the Top 5 in 3A would beat the Mustangs.
Too much talent, speed and athleticism, plus depth and veteran coaching give
Herriman the edge over any of the 5 teams from 3A listed here. Mustangs will
beat Skyline this week and we all saw what they did to Juan Diego!
Not too sure about that. They beat Riverton fair and square. Let's see what they
do against Skyline.
Hurricane would beat Skyline (oh wait, they did) and they would beat Herriman
just like the best team in 3A last year (Juan Diego) beat Springville who then
The upcoming Skyline/Herriman game should settle all questions regarding both
teams. Herriman looks very good as of late. Unfortunately, most 4A
schools would have coasted through their schedule. Their best wins are Orem,
Riverton, and Copper Hills.On the other hand, don't underestimate
the top 3A schools. Hurricane beat both Skyline and West Jordan easily. Juan
Diego has annually beat SLC schools--their loss to Skyline was only surprising
because of the final score. As for the others, look at who've they played.
Desert Hills has a loss to Syracuse (14-12). Spanish Fork lost to AmFork and
Logan. Dixie has put nearly 50 pts on everyone except Hurricane. Pine View may
be (2-3) but they've beaten two 4A schools and their losses are have been within
onne score to East, Dixie and Desert Hills. Even the smallest 3A school, Delta,
spanked Taylorsville last weekend.
I hear tabiona has an opening on there schedule, Herriman should probably pick
that game up. Tabby would be 4-0 with the same schedule.
@utefanyes and we also saw what Hurricane did to Skyline and West Jordan
Herriman deserves recognition, no doubt. Skyline should be a good test.. It
could tell us all about both teams. Is Herriman a juggernaut or are they
over-hyped? Is this a Skyline team that continues to get better as the season
rolls on (as they have in the past) or have they been given too much credit
because of the tradition? I think the Mustangs are good...but I am not sure ow
they compare to Logan, Highland, or East. The jury is still out on Timpview,
Herriman, Orem, Box Elder, etc.
markymark-whiteshoes,I do agree that Hurricane is a very good team.
They would probably win state this year, but don't discount what Herriman has
done this year. Herriman beat 2 5A teams and and very good Orem squad who in
the past two weeks put away their opponents by half time(Provo 45-13 and Salem
Hills 31-7I before putting in their second string in the second half. Herriman
also beat Copper Hills who in turn beat American Fork who beat Spanish Fork. And
Spanish Fork will play for the State Championship against Hurricane unless they
meet earlier in the playoffs. Herriman will lose this week to Skyline not
because Skyline is a better team but because Herriman will make mistakes and
allow Skyline to hang around and win the game. It's usually what young teams do
against storied porgrams. As what happened to Maple Mountain against Timpview
last week. Maple Mountain was the better team but does not have the winning
mentality to win big games.
Herriman has not played an overly tough schedule, but its not like they are
playing the sisters of the poor. Their opponents are a combined 11-14. Not
great, but not as terrible as everyone is making it sound. Two of their
opponents have winning records. Remember, 5 of the 11 losses that their
opponents have are to Herriman, so in games against other competition their
record is 11-9. Not so bad. Orem is 3-1 since playing Herriman. Copper Hills
is 3-1 without the Herriman loss. Riverton has lost to Syracuse and Alta, both
of whom are pretty good.Again, not saying that they have played a tough
schedule, but it is not as bad as you guys all make it sound. I would say a
schedule against some average teams. Lots of questions should be answered with
the Skyline game, who are a completely different team the last two weeks than
they were at the start of the season. Great defense and good athletes on
offense. Should be fun to see.
It's not an insult to Herriman but it wouldn't be a stretch to say all the top 5
in 3A could/would beat Herriman. Throw in a sixth team to boot with Pine View
who has given East its closest game this year, save Fremont. The difference
between 3A and 4A isn't that large, 4A is still deeper and better but I think
the difference between 5A and 4A is much larger than the difference between 3A
and 4A. It speaks well when Desert Hills' only loss is 12-10 against Syracuse,
a team that took Davis to the brink. Hurricane has roughed up Skyline and West
Jordan. Dixie beat Pine View who took East to the brink. And yes, I
think Herriman is a very good team...
I think the biggest reason why such programs as Hurricane, Pine View, Dixie and
Spanish Fork thrive is becuase they are out in rural areas where kids who live
in those areas play in ther boundries. Spanish Fork is dimished a little because
all the kids want to play fore the new schools - Maple Mountain and Salem
Hills.Unlike the Salt Lake Valley, Davis County (to a point), Utah Valley,
where kids jump ship and play for better programs. Case in point Alta, Bingham,
Lone Peak, Timpview and so on. At Lone Peak, there are three guys who played
their sophomore years at American Fork and now play for Lone Peak. Those three
guys (quarterback, receiver and linebacker) are a big reason for Lone Peaks
success this year. There is a couple kids on Timpviews team that live a mile
away from Westlake and others that live two blocks away from Orem. The best
years of Timpview saw many of their star players coming from boundries of other
Wow...I didn't know Herriman would gain so much attention, commotion and gossip.
I have said it since Week 1...Herriman is a team that will have to be dealt
with in 4A. I believe Herriman has the best chance in 4A to finish 10-0, the
best chance to win the Region 7 crown and the best chance to finish 14-0 and win
the 4A crown.Everyone talks about Herriman's schedule. Of the 5
teams that Herriman beat, only 1 had a losing record at the time of the game
(Timpanogos 0-2). 2 of the teams were 5A (Riverton, Copper Hills), 2 of the
teams still have winning records (Orem 3-2, Copper Hills 3-2). The 4 previous
teams that Herriman beat before Hillcrest all won this week (Orem over Salem
Hills; Riverton over Kearns; Timpanogos over Springville; Copper Hills over
American Fork).You can say Herriman has a weak schedule, but its the
only schedule they have. So all they can do is play hard and win. There are 2
undefeated teams in 4A and 8 undefeated teams in Utah....why does everyone have
a problem with Herriman being one of them?
markymarkI don't know if your comment is just a joke but Tabiona
does not have a football team
Because people know what the reality is and you come on here and talk about how
great they are. Thats why people comment about them. If it wasnt for benzo in
his dream world no one would think twice about herriman.
I was talking to one of the Herriman coaches who told me that they tried to
schedule harder games this preseason and they could not find many teams to play
them. He said that most of the teams were worried because Herriman had made the
playoffs last year and had a lot coming back, and they did not want the stigma
of losing to a second year school. One of the opposing coaches said "You
guys are the team nobody wants to play, it is a no-win situation for other
@markymarkIm my opinion JD,Hurricane and any other top 3A team would
give Herriman,a run for the money.Look what Hurricane has done thus far, and
everyone talks about the loss that JD had to Skyline,but then they come back to
beat a 5A Granger team with a 4-0 record 21-0. Herriman has a good program,but
when you say that there is no 3A team that could beat them, you are quite wrong
my friend, because there is more then one 3A team that could take them.GO EAGLES..!!!
@bigbenzo88: absolutely nuthin wrong with Herriman (or any other team) having a
perfect, undefeated season. After all, we all know what happen to Tom Brady and
Company (16-0) when they got spanked by the NY Giants few years back. So...it
really doesnt matter much about ranking...so long as the team WINS when it
really really counts, i.e. throughout playoffs!
I coached a few of the Boys on the Herriman team and played with one of their
coaches. The Herriman Coach I played with was a player for Dupaix at Skyline
and coached with him there in later years. In other words, he knows the Skyline
program well. Herriman is for real folks.My son plays for Skyline
and with their beat down of Murray last Friday I am fearful the Eagles attitudes
may be a little lax. Don't under estimate Herriman boys! The Eagles need to
continue coming together and work their rear ends off this week. Don't get
cocky Skyline! This is the biggest test for Skyline so far this year and in my
opinion it's a make or break game for the Eagles. EAGLE PRIDE
@markymmark my last comment was for utefan21,and anyone else that
thinks a 3A team couldnt beat the stangs...sry bout the error..
@sid 6.7I think your EAGLES will be fine, its a great program and
the kids are well coached..I know its going to be a real tough game, but at the
end IMO Skyline wins..Good luck to the skyline..Skyline 21 Herriman
Hey histrung2,There is as much recruiting done down here by Pine View as
there is by Bingham. 2 of the 3 Pine View team captains live in the small town
of Hurricane. They drive over to Pine View for school. There are also other
players that do the same who play but aren't captains. In southern Utah Pine
View is now known as the Hurricane "B" team. I don't know how the
state and district let them do this, but they do. I think a couple of their
families "rent" apartments from team coaches or boosters. They don't
actually live in them of course. I was wondering how Pine View's cheap shot of
two weeks ago was only penalized 1 game? He should be suspended for the year.
The only other 3A team that recruits as much as Pine View is Juan Diego. Oh,
and Cedar will beat Pine View.
which players used to play at af? im curious. (besides chase) because that is
not true one bit
@jo Mamma,Keep on eating the sour grapes... for starters, what point
are you trying to make? Let me help, Its called open enrollment, it allows
parents and students choices to attend a school private or public that is best
suited for that particular family. The question you should ask yourself,
how does that student effect the program i play in? Worry about how to make your
program better, not what some other program is doing. I feel the grapes your
eating is in part to how well JD worked your team,or how the Tigers go to RES
and your team doesnt. Best of luck with Pine View, and may the best team win...
@Football881 - your comment is a bit off. Look at the the first comment on this
thread...."markymark | 11:40 p.m. Sept. 17, 2011 - All of the top 5 in 3A
would beat herriman"The sports writer puts the rankings and 3
hours later...the first comment is that all of the top 5 in 3A would beat
Herriman. That's why I said...Wow...didn't know Herriman would draw so much
attention.I want everyone to know that I have never said that
Herriman is great. I believe the are a good, young team that will have to be
dealt with in Region 7 and in 4A...this year and next year. They have a young
defense and a young, but strong offense (2nd highest points in 4A and 4th
highest points in Utah).I simply believe that they have the best
chance in 4A to finish 10-0 and therefore would also have the best chance to
finish 14-0. Not saying that they will win the 4A crown...but I think they have
an awesome chance to win Region 7 and to be in the 4A Final 4 and return to
mykaljordan. Wow, that is a huge surprise. Picking Skyline to beat Herriman! I
guess that is how you can keep the argument that JD is better than Herriman.
Seriously, do the JD coaches like you commenting on these boards?
Herriman is right where they should be...at #5 in the state in 4A. I just don't
think they are with the upper class of 4A, This weeks game will tell the state a
lot about this young and upcoming program. 3A is just as exciting as
4A for the title. I have seen JD, Hurricane, and Ceder play...if Pine View,
Spanish, and Dixie are as good as advertised, the playoffs are going to be
fun.5A is going to be a yawner. Its a 3 horse race with Lone Peak,
Bingham, and Alta. Jordan would have made a big statement, but seems to fail
when playing against teams of their caliber.
@ Bingham Canyon,It is not open enrollment in southern Utah, and I live in
Cedar City. I think Cedar is going to be the third team to beat Pine View in
the region. I was also aiming my comments at another who said that kids were
confined to their community's school. Good try at being intelligent. Work on
reading comprehension please. I also think my Cedar High team could work JD
To UHSAA:Please bring some of the 3A schools down to 2A. 3A has way too
many and some 2A schools are tired of the lack of competition.
Hud, I agree.there are sanpete, delta, juab, grantsville and morgan that are
rural schools and belong in 2-a. they don't recruit, or benefit from open
enrollment or whatever you want to call it. they don't belong with the bigger
schools with multiple schools in their immediate area and porous boundrys. and
the competition would be great. if you look at last years 4-a state championship
games in all sports, you will find that many if not most of the champs or
runners up are from the new and larger 3-a schools. and with richfield, manti,
emery moving to 2-a, that makes it an even bigger joke since they have more
students than the smallest 3-a school.
RE: hudWho do you bring down? They just brought down Manti,
Richfield, ALA and Emery this year. If the numbers don't fit then they don't
move down or up. 2A is more competitive this year than the last two. The last
two years it has been a two horse race between San Juan and South Summit. This
year you have San Juan, Manti, Millard, Emery and possibly Beaver that could be
champions. I think 2A is doing just fine.
Every one of the players on the LP roster have lived in the lp boundaries for at
least 2 years now
@ Jo Momma,You are not correct about open enrollment. Students can
choose the high school that they want as long as they do it before their 9th
grade year. The students in question all took this route. It may be legal but
I don't agree with it either.
My hope is that Skyline unleashes on Herriman. This hope is two-fold; first, I
am a Skyline supporter. Second, I am tired of seeing so many Herriman posts.
Last year the posts demanding respect and selling a program were dominated by
Woods Cross. In the end, WX failed to qualify for the playoff. I know, apples
and oranges, but I am still tired of all the Herriman propaganda,Side note, both Coach Putnam and Coach Dupaix (Roger's son) played at Skyline.
Then again, Roger and Larry Wilson have faced off quite a few times over the
years. The road to the Region 7 title goes through the Eagle's Nest. Skyline
@doug whitmoreit doesnt matter to me what the coaches think about me
commenting on here, but next time ill ask for permission if it will make you
feel better..Remember this is all my OPINION...and in My opinion I think JD is
better then Herrimen point blank, starting from the freshmen on up to the
varsity.Like I said earlier this weeks game is going to be tough, but in the end
(and its only my opinion) Skyline wins..!!but I will always love my
coaches and boys of the JD SOARING EAGLE FOOTBALL TEAM..!!!
LP fan,Curtis Taufa outside linebacker who started for American Fork
as a sophomore and Chase Hansen and one other player, whould you like for me to
dig his name up too?
@Golden Helmet - What Herriman propaganda are you talking about? This story is
a listing of the top 5 in each division. Well, the first comment that was
posted was someone saying that all of 3A would beat Herriman.Well,
with having a son that starts on the team, I may be biased, but I asked where is
all this coming from. I haven't seen any Herriman propaganda on DesNews.I have stated my personal opinion that I believe Herriman has the best
chance in 4A to go 10-0; the best chance to win Region 7 and the best chance in
4A to go 14-0.Skyline is a good team...but they have their
weaknesses...as do all schools. Herriman is a young team that gets better with
every game. The biggest strength with Herriman is the offense. They can put
points on the board (2nd most points in 4A and 4th most points in Utah). The
defense is young, but getting better. I think if it comes down to a
shootout...Herriman can hang with any team in Utah.The next two
games against Skyline and Olympus will change the scope of Region 7 and all of
@histrung2you do know that both of those players live in LP boundaries and
have for a number of years correct? When they were playing at af, they were
playing in the school outside of their boundaries
Bring down Grantsville, Morgan, Carbon, N. Sanpete, Juab and Delta. Some of the
2A schools need to be dropped down to 1A like enterprise, Parawon and possibly a
couple others. 1A is somewhat of a joke in tthe current realignment. 1A would
be much more exciting with a few more teams. Emery and Beaver are not
contenders in 2A this year.
@hisstrung2also i would love for you to dig up that other name of the
reciever who played for AF
Nice win D-Hills over Pine View. That was a fun one to watch.
Just FYI,So, you validated my point that two players who played for
AF shouldn't have been allowed to play for Lone Peak since according to the
rules once they play for another school their sophomore year they are not
allowed to play for any other school wheather it's in their boundries or not
unless they moved into those boundries. I know where these two live, right down
the street from LP and then why did they decide go to AF then????
D hills could go all the way!!!
I love all the finger pointing about which players actually play in their
boundaries. I know form experience that in the smaller schools this doesn't
always equal wins. I think that players actually resent the fact that kids come
in from other areas and play over them. I think the cohesion of the team is
suspect and will be hard for them to go far in the playoffs.Now
although Hurricane has lost to Juan Diego the last three years in the finals
they continually reload. I believe they are the team to beat this year in 3A,
and from what I understand are doing so with their own players. I am sure
players feel the pain of not winning state and are driven to win for their
bothers who almost did. I think getting D1 scholarships is secondary and their
motivation to win for the community is primary.Can't wait for
another Juan Diego Hurricane final.
The move in out of area thing has a effect on many people.My son had won a
staring position on the freshman team only to be replaced a week before the
first game by a kid who decided to "move in " that week to a uncles
home so he could play with that school.All the hard work,6am weight
lifting,camps etc were thrown out the window for the "move in".My son
who had played since 1st grade was so turned off he quit football the following
year,BTW,the "move in" kid was a total washout out in HS.Things have a
way of working out for the best,my son didn't play football but has a college
scholarship out of state in another sport because he didn't play football,and
the "move in" kid? Flipping burgers,:)
AMEN JoMamma!!!!!!! and you are right Dixie and Pine View need to watch out
because I think Cedar will take both! The official "best suited
for the familes" you are absolutley right and I guess when the decision is
sports related so be it.People keep referring to "sour
grapes" in regards to those who did jump ship from Hurricane, believe me
there are NONE! from the Coaches or our players, maybe community members still
but the team and coaches are focused and are better off withouth them and have
felt that way for a long time.
hud, most 2A schools are to small to compete with 3A that is why they are in a
smaller bracket. Richfield, Manti and Emery are three times the size of North
Sevier, Parowan and Millard. Put even more, much larger schools into 2A and
there is no chance for any of these smaller schools to even compete. 11 out of
660 is not many. 11 out of 48 is a far greater percentage. Yes, there are only
48 seniors at North Sevier! More then half of them are girls.
hud.I would love to see Enterprise and four or five others in 2A dropped
down to 1A. But in football only. Football is the one sport where numbers mean
everything. Enterprise with 160 kids can in no way compete with the Manti's with
470 kids. That's three times the size. That would be like Manti playing against
schools with 1500 kids or more.But as I said, in football only. Enterprise
has played in a lot of state championship games in all the other sports.
Finishing fourth in 2A last year in all sports schools. And take football out
and they finish 2nd or 3rd.My point being; the UHSAA needs to look closer
at bunching schools for football.
With all that talent over at PV why is it that they are struggling to win games
against teams that are far less superior? 8 D1 players and 0-2 in Region vs two
teams that should be 1-1 and 0-2 in region. Come on PV you guys are better than
We are proud of our Tigers, no doubt. They are hard-working kids and love to
play football. We respect JD and don't buy into the trash-talking. The Soaring
Eagle had an off-game--that's all. JD respects Hurricane as well. Our three
finals games have gone to the wire and know that the games were evenly played.
As for the other 3A teams, we know that D-Hills & P-View will be up to the
task when Hurricane plays them. But right now, we are focusing on Snow Canyon.
One game at a time.
There won't be a Juan Diego/Hurricane final this year because they will be on
the same side of bracket! Unless Hurricane somehow loses again, Like they did to
cedar last year. The question is will one of the teams be beat in region or will
they meet in semi's?? I would love to see hurricane beat JD in semi's!
@whiteshoesI know for a fact that JD respects Hurricane, my son
plays for JD and Everyone associated with JD FOOTBALL starting with the coaches
down to the players, talk highly about the Tigers.Just like the Tigers,JD doesnt
buy into all this trash talk. Im looking forward to a great season as we get
ready for region play,I wish the Tigers nothing but the best of luck.Maybe we
will be blessed to have a rematch for state champs, but like you said one game
at a time..Just wish I didnt have to make the 4 hr drive to vernal this weekend,
as JD has to plays Uintah... LOLGOOD LUCK TO ALL OUR
STUDENT-ATHLETES as we all get ready for region..GO JD SOARING
Southside,What happened? PV lost! Pay attention now; when you fail
to score more than your opponent...you lose. No, the powers that are don't
huddle up and consider who's "better than that", they simply look at
the scoreboard and crown a winner. As for all those D1 players, Coach Nelson
said it best during his post game radio interview,"maybe all those D1
schools should be looking at our boys"Dixie 35 PV 33DHHS
21 PV 14Not how it "could" or "should" be, how
Davis only allowed lone peak 21 points. 7 came on a busted coverage before half
time. They have scored 35 points or more on every body else. They are good but
by no means are they unbeatable.
You can talk about Herriman all you want right now but they will not win the
region. They'll lose to us, Skyline and Westlake.Westlake will make the
playoffs and will make a lot of noise in it (I will remind everyone of this
prediction at the end). Even though we beat them 26-20, they physically beat us
up. They may have the best D-Line in the state (#91, #52 and especially #50).
They never blitzed us and our QB was either getting sacked or hit all night long
(our coaches can tell you they were much better than any D-Line we played this
year and last year). Once that team gets more disciplined (I know for a
fact they had at least 20 penalties), they'll be able to play anyone.Herriman hasn't played anyone yet so let's not get out of hand until they play
Skyline, us and Westlake. Titans all the way.
I do not know why my comment was denied but I shall re word it. I am under the
strong opinion that herriman would not even make the playoffs in region 6.
Olypride in South Jordan? Has Oly now gone to bringing athletes in from out of
area? Herriman will beat Oly, but not Skyline or West Lake.
Southside....I got it, you were being sarcastic. With over 70 Scholarship
athletes in the past 10 years and no state titles it make you wonder if there
was an extra digit added to the recruiting posters.
@Olypride - I like your pride in your team...good for you. I don't know a lot
about Olympus but win or lose...I don't think Herriman will get manhandled by
you guys. I actually think we will be Skyline, Olympus and Westlake.See, the thing people forget about Herriman is that we can score. Regardless
of how weak people think our schedule is...it takes execution to get the ball
into the endzone. We are 2nd in scoring in 4A and 4th in scoring in Utah. On
top of that...our defense is increasingly getting better.I'm
expecting tough games from Skyline, Olympus and Westlake...but in the end, I
believe we beat all 3. I have said all along that I believe that Herriman has
the best chance in 4A to go 10-0, the best chance to win Region 7 and the best
chance in 4A to go 14-0.Seems to be a lot of Herriman Haterade
consumed this week. I'm not sure why...but expect to be surprised by
Herriman...win or lose...we are better than everyone thinks!!!!!Herriman Mustangs!!!!.....the herd will trample all who oppose!