Would love to see one of those firesides. Yes, we all need a reminder of the big
picture now and then. Amazing about the audience size in just the last 2 games
being the same as the last 6 seasons.
Hmmm. I don't get it. How are coach's mission goals and accountability for
getting it done on the field mutually exclusive of one another? That's nice
that we're expecting young men to actually live how EVERY STUDENT that had a
bishop's interview and signed the Standard's commitment is expected to live at
the Y. The difference here is these particular students and their coaches are
part of a football team, who, when apparently not performing at their optimum,
may have someone ask why not.
Coach is totally right! There are greater things going on here, and I would feel
very comfortable if my son was one of his players. Don't get me wrong--he's a
competitor, as are his players. However, real perspective gives them the ability
to know that their proper influence & example are far more important.Thanks Coach Mendenhall...
As a 40 year alumnus of BYU, and having suffered through years when the
character of football players was questionable,I am extremely greatful that the
athletic leadership at BYU has expected and required that all BYU players make
any and all efforts to be of the highest character. Whether BYU wins 11 games or
looses 10, the quality and character level of the individuals, will speak more
volumes than the record or honors of men. Our world desperately needs men of
high moral character and behavior; men whose confidence is based more on
character, and not on playing skills. Men who genuinely care and love humanity
as much as they care and play the game they love. Men who share the strength as
a "Band of Brothers" yet as indivduals, strengthen, inspire,
encourage, lead and guide all who make contact with them. Go Blue! Go White!
Bronco as Jesus? Really? Perhaps their should be serious consideration given
to changing the Y's football uniforms so the real mission of the football team
is more clearly apparent. A branding decision needs to be made.May I
be the first to suggest that the Y always where white, but that the jerseys
should look like white business dress shirts, with a blue tie of course, and
instead of having the names on the back of the jerseys, perhaps a black patch
over the left breast pocket with each Elder's name. The benefit of
this branding change would be several fold. First any confusion among anyone as
to the real mission of the football team will be eliminated; secondly, those
who enroll at the Y will be able to count their service on the team as their
mission. Thirdly, instead of offering scholarships to these missionaries, the Y
can actually ask their parents to make contributions for each of their son's
missions. All that remains is to determine how much tracting these missionaries
will be able to do between practices and school.
Winning and having millions watch your football team is much, much better than
losing and having millions watch your football team. That kind of exposure
isn't good for the church. I think booster questions are valid and do support
the overall mission of BYU sports. No one is going to watch a 2-6 football
team, even if they are on ESPN. And I'm not saying that BYU football will be
2-6 this year, just saying that high exposure for a losing team isn't a good
thing. Although I do believe we left Texas with the respect of the UT fans.
I agree, CanuckFan. How many college football teams make a weekly spiritual
devotional such a priority. Proof positive that BYU's mission is far more than
winning games. But given the current state of the program, winning should be a
natural outcome of the quality that BYU's mission has produced: high quality
young men, high quality students, and high quality athletes.
I've never heard of a missionary getting on TV while wearing the name of a LDS
Prophet and say how much hate he has for others. I've never heard of an Olympic
athlete get on TV while wearing the Team USA uniform tell how much he hates
another country and all that are affiliated with it. It wouldn't be allowed.
Perhaps we need to look at this bigger picture with some moral conduct rules.
If bronco doesn't want to get questions about what plays are called on 3rd and
20 and winning, then he needs to stop running his mouth about winning national
Love you out here in Western NY Bronco! 100% support you and what you are doing
with the program. Keep it up, and we'll see you when you visit Notre Dame (only
an 8 hour drive for me)!I'm hoping you can schedule teams like
Syracuse, Pitt, Michigan and Ohio State as well in the near future. Even
Bronco's words do not equate himself with Jesus and his persecution as the
article's author suggest. The analogy Bronco draws focuses on the Pharisees and
the Sadducees/boosters. A group of people that failed to see the bigger
picture. When Christ stood before the Pharisees they couldn't grasp the
opportunity before them because of their own shortcomings in understanding what
was truly important. I hear Bronco say that after the Texas game the boosters
were so caught up in the minutia of a play call here or there that they failed
to see all the good that this team is doing and will do, despite weaknesses and
mistakes. The big picture speaks to a program, with goals within football and
within life that will represent themselves and BYU honorably before the world.
sweetnewssWinning a national championship should be the ultimate
goal of every major college program, it just shouldn't come at the cost of other
things that are more important.Bronco has his priorities straight.
Stay the course Bronco. Dang the fiery darts, full speed ahead.
All I have to say is, "Go BYU". Really they are doing their best.
LDS members of the church everywhere should be proud of what Bronco and BYU is
trying to accomplish. Ya, we all want to win, but at the end of the day what
happens on the football field can't hold a candle to what is important in life.
No one likes to win more than I do. But I am here to tell you, from
personal experience, that Bronco is dead on. And as much as I enjoy BYU
football, it doesn't even make the list of the things that are really important
in life.We should be grateful to have a coach that really gets it.
It's only a football game! Come-on!!
If BYU wants to use its football program to advance the interests of the Church,
the program has to win and not be mediocre. It needs to have a winning/killer
attitude on the field, or it will fail to achieve a highly recognized status and
draw attention to the Church. Merely having games on national TV is not enough,
especially if the team is losing.But really, step back and ask if
trying to use football to advance the Gospel is rational. I really don't
Wow, Roscoe's comments must make BYU boosters feel good. They're getting
ridiculed by the head football coach for simply wanting their team to win. Said football coach then goes on to compare his plight -- that the
Cougars actually win games -- to religious persecution.For real?
As an avid BYU follower....I grow tired of Mendenhall being critical of the
criticism he truly deserves after he loses a football game and when the blame
falls upon him or his coaches for play calling or lack or preparedeness. If
Mendenhall is going to constantly say that the National Championship is his goal
each and every year then when we fall short against a very mediocre Texas team
or any other team for that matter, then questions need to be asked why an
offense couldn't muster more than 16 points against a bunch of Freshman. I truly believe BYU needs a coach that can do it on and off the field.
There's no doubt that Mendenhall helps prepare the young man better than maybe
any other coach off the field, and he should be commended. But call me selfish
or delusional I'd rather have a coach that knows the X's and O's and can prepare
a team to excel at the highest level on the national stage. Mendhall has really
never been able to do that. Until coaching changes are made, BYU will never be
able to compete at the highest level. Mendhall obviously can't take the heat.
How dare all those boosters chide Bronco. Maybe they should invest their money
Dear Esquire, I respectfully disagree. It's very possible to win without having
a "killer attitude"to play powerfully with grace and beauty rather
than the unremarkable in-your-face, over-the-top American sport. Even to lose with grace and perspective is more impressive than any victory.
This is evident in Mr. Mendenhall's approach, and it shows in on the field. Win
or lose, keep your dignity.
As a football fan, I want BYU to win every game. As a member of the LDS church I
completely get what Bronco is saying. The BYU football team will do well because
of the type of coaches they have and because of the charactar, talent and hard
work of the players. I believe that they will eventually win another NC at some
point and I want them to but I won't be disappointed no matter what the result
if they give everything they have. Class and Honor.
I love that Coach Mendenhall and the players do these firesides. I love that
Coach Mendenhall is looking to build well rounded men of spirit and
integrity.That said he is dead wrong in his comments about the
Cougar Club and the questions he is being asked by them. It has long been
obvious he resents having to answer to the boosters and fans for the decisions
he makes on the field and during games but he cashes his checks and it's his
responsibility to answer to those that give the money that pays him.Bronco when you are speaking to the booster club, the ones that contribute all
the money, the ones who spend their time caring about this program, the ones who
are "fully invested" in it, the ones that make your lifestyle
possible, then get over yourself and fullfill your responsibilities to them.It seems you are very much in favor of everyone else fullfilling their
responsibilities but resent yours to them. If a booster shows up at your house
or office to question you that is inappropriate, but when you are addressing
them in their weekly meeting with you quit complaing and just fullfill your
@ IQ92, losing with dignity is fine, but football fans don't care about anything
than winning. Frankly, I don't think you get it. Football is a violent sport.
Perhaps Roscoe would prefer that Cougar boosters inquire about the number of
baptismal commitments the Provo, BYU Athletics Mission reported last month.
Bring back LaVell Edwards. I never remember Lavell making an excuse for losing.
This is the same rationale Bronco used when he stated that winning was 5th on
the list...then his star QB, Max Hall, spewed his vile and obvious vicious hate
and stated he hated University of Utah and all their fans. And Hall justified it
over a bogus and, yet to be proven, beer throwing incident.Here is
the best representation BYU has put out there concerning the mission of the LDS
Church: Suspending Davies for an Honor code violation and now allowing him to
come back to the program after he did what was right and changed his behavior.
Thats what the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the LDS church is all about.Excuse makers are unfortunate on many levels...arrogant excuse makers who are
narcissistic enough to compare themselves to the Lord being persecuted can be
dangerous and destructive. The BYU Boosters have a right to
question the coach. All over the country losing coaches get questioned and have
to answer to their University powers that want to win...that is the coaching
Whenever I see a **rah rah** piece here in the DN about Bronco & priorities,
I can't help but think of the old saying..."The only difference
between a wise man & fool is a wise man knows when to keep his mouth
Publicity is what it is all about. Bring back Mens gymnastics and wrestling,
INDIVIDUAL sports that are part of the Olympic Games.Football is perfect
for LDS, meetings and waiting and time outs and a few second of actually doing
Were all 35 players returned missionaries or planning to go? Was that QB of
theirs who chose not to serve there?
If I were a member of the Cougar Club, one of those 6-figure donors, and I'm
reading that quote today, I'm calling Tom Holmoe and canceling my check. Not
only is he making himself a part of the "larger mission of the
university", he's basically declared war on the CC and on the fans.It's the professors and instructors at BYU who are molding men for the
future, not some guy who plays with x's and o's. His job is solely to win and
not cheat doing it. If he's not willing to do that, find someone else who can.
Is it possible the boosters do see the bigger picture? I think it
is awesome that the football team does the firesides and is representing its
values off the field. Opportunities for exposure to come will be a
direct result of success on the field, and success on the field is usually
measured in wins.Boosters have every right to question whatever they
want to in terms of that on field success. Answering those questions are a
tough part of being a coach. It comes with the job. Chiding those boosters is
not a good idea and is detrimental to the program. Mendenhall would be better
served by the concept of under promising and over delivering. How about telling
people at the beginning of the season that a National Championship is so far
beyond the realm of possibility under the current structure of college football
that he doesnt want to even discuss it. How about setting high expectations
with his team, but not piling on the pressure by talking about going undefeated
for two years and winnning a national championship. Why are these thoughts
being conveyed to reporters? Be the team exceeding expectations with a 9-3
Duckhunter, Solid post.
As a Utah fan I have come to appreciate Bronco Mendenhall and I think I see what
he is driving at. He is a good coach and great individual. I will not fault his
heart at all. Unfortunately, I think his choice of words may actually be getting
in the way of his message.Lavell Edwards was asked if there was
divine intervention at BYU football games. Edwards answered, "the Lord has
more important things to use miracles on than football." Coach Edwards was
very good at keeping football in its proper perspective. I suspect Bronco means
to convey similar sentiments but often ends up somewhere else.If
Bronco is being quoting accurately, this sounds an awful lot like someone who is
saying he should be above criticism. Comparing yourself to Jesus and your
critics to the Pharisees will always prove problematic. Using loaded language
only destroys your message. Bronco's heart is in the right place. He
has a good message. I hope he feels his message is important enough to take
greater care in how he expresses it.
I understand Bronco's sentiments...However, if the overall mission
is more important than answering a few questions, then why do ticket prices
continue to increase?As in building new buildings of worship, and
young people serving missions, we should all just be able to pay an averaged out
price for our tickets, be they 50-yard-line, loge, or end zone.$20
per game, and no questions asked. Sell food for $2 and let us go back to
bringing in our own food. If you want to take us for all we are
willing to give at the gate, then answer a few questions about poor play calls,
and don't act like everything the coaches/players do wrong is okay, when it
costs us easily winnable games.Tired of the double standard coach.
Bronco comes across as fanatical to the world and to many LDS. Emphasis on
firesides, "band of stripling warrior brothers," Pharisee &
Sadducee boosters, etc, all related to BYU football. Don't think LDS church
particularly wants to be perceived by millions as fanatical (at least LaVell
came across as normal). BYU football is fifth in his life priority? Sure,
whatever, ... we believe! If he could orchestrate victories over a few "big
time" opponents, fans and church could overlook his fanaticism. Winning
against real competition has a way of doing that. Makes you wonder if the
fanaticism is a cloak to cover deficiencies in abilities as a head coach. As it
is, Bronco's football philosophy is boring to watch, and results in losing games
anyway. Personally, am glad he has only 3 year contract. That said
above about Bronco as head coach, as defensive coach Bronco has fairly quickly
molded and motivated a defensive group of young men quite impressively. That
deserves some credit.
Let's send Bronco up to the church office building and then get a real football
In the heat of the moment, sometimes we express our frustration in a negative
way. It happens to almost all of us. We do not know what the actual
circumstances were. Perhaps some at that CC meeting were going a little over
the line in their questioning of Bronco. We don't know. Give him a little
slack. Let's see what plays out after today. I'm sure he feels like he should
not have expressed himself as he did, and wishes he could have said things
differently. His message is right on, regarding the purposes of the sports
program at BYU. Maybe he is frustrated with the way things are going
offensively. He knows there is excellent talent and that talent isn't showing
up in the games as it should. I think I would be frustrated too. I just think
his comments were a result of frustration, but he doesn't want to criticize his
team in front of the boosters. We'll see. Let's stay positive.
Dominating a team in the first half, and then getting dominated in the second
half usually, but not always, demonstrates getting out coached. I think most
people would agree that BYU was out coached in the second half.We
are in a situation where it is very realistic we start the season 1-4, in a
scenario looking awfully similar to last year.I am setting my own
expectations for this team which is as long as Mendenhall is the coach, I see
many seasons of 9-3, with the occassional 10 win season. Hanging right outside
the top 25, with an occasional foray into the top 25 for a week or so during
some seasons. Going to a second rate bowl and winning 75% of the time, 50/50
against BCS teams, getting decent exposure while being a squeaky clean
program.Im happy with this. Id rather be pleasantly surprised with
anything more than the above, but I hate being set up with talk of national
championships and undefeated seasons to have those hopes dashed with the reality
of a team with football at #5 and green coaches.Under promise, over
deliver. We'll all enjoy it more.
Great comments, a healthy debate. Wow...Bronco is under a lot of pressure to win
today. A loss to the team up north would be very difficult for the psyche of
this team, it's coaching staff...and the fans Bronco's heart is in the right
place but he gets overly defensive and needs to learn how to communicate with
boosters, fans and the press. I agree...he needs to stop over-promising. I think
being a head coach does not come naturally to him and he is very uncomfortable
knowing how to respond to criticism. Whether he can ever grow into being
comfortable in this job remains to be seen.
The Pharisees and Sadducees cared so much about how others perceived them and
the letter of the law. They are the holiest, everyone else should be just like
them. I'd say that sums up the BYU boosters, alumni and fans as well. Who knew
Bronco was reasonable?
I was at the Cougar Club meeting that the head Coach later compared to the
Pharisees. This was a group of polite older people and a few children bought to
hear the comments. He was baiting the group and made fun of the everything that
was said to him. He is not very courteous and seems to think he is above it all
he need to be NICER! Wow what a way to treat those you give money to support
the Church's athletic program!
Bronco, you are doing no church service calling.You are getting paid
hundreds of thousands a year. People paying your salary expect you to win.Who else in the country won't take the blame for a loss, but will blame
it on having other goals higher than winning?
Winning football games will bring the church more good exposure than getting
everyone's hopes up by talking about winning a national championship, and then
coming way short of the goal.
The coach is totally right and that is why BYU should adopt the BYU-I model.
The bigger the potential game, the more the fans and boosters will focus on the
3 and 20. There is a conflict of interest between the university's mission,
independence and fan expectation that is not going to go away. This is a
conflict that the major state universities do not have, but that BYU can not
escape.In the long run, BYU will do no better in independence than
Notre Dame has over the last 10-15 years. While BYU does have some great
athletes and has produced some solid to great NFL players it doesn't have the
overall depth to play a top flight schedule. If BYU played Notre Dame's
schedule - they would likely be 0-3 right now. The pressure on the
triangle of expectations will grow now that BYU has left the MWC and is
attempting to schedule stronger opponents. @Legacy Cougar - I
thought it was Church policy to not use tithing funds to support the sports
program, if that is happening, there are a lot of members that would prefer it
As I have said before, football is fun, it's just not that important. Keep the
perspective BYU. Play to win, but do it the right way.
While the Church leadership and Bronco may see BYU athletics as a vehicle to
advance the purposes of the Church... the fan base cares about
"winning" and very little else.That is a fundamental
contradiction of interests that will not be resolved as long as BYU participates
in major collegiate athletics.
You ever feel like BYU football is more of an anti-missionary tool than a
@Uncle RicoYes, every time a BYU supporter denigrates an opposing
team or fan.How can that behavior on the part of some (yes, even
many) BYU fans generate positive feelings for the Church? If BYU
athletics is to represent the values of the Church, the supporters of BYU should
be renowned as the most sportsmanlike and gracious fans in the nation.Sadly... that is far from the reality.
Bronco, your job is to win football games. You are paid a big salary to win
football games. You are not a Bishop or Institute Teacher. You make way too
much money for those important responsibilites. So just do your job Bronco.
If you feel ahtletics are exposure to religion, I feel sorry for you. There must
be much to be concerned about in mormonism if you have to put this kind of
lipstick on it.......
Did Bronco have a fireside at halftime. This is football and Bronco is a good
man, but his mission is to win football games. He can build men at the same
time, but even Notre Dame expects a winning season.
Utah 47 - 10 with 8 minutes left in the game. This is like a college team
playing a high school team. Holy cow - BYU football is garbage. Utah is a Pac 12
member FOR A REASON!!! Utah has the athletes and the size to be in the big time
and BYU footballs days are numbered. Honestly there is no way BYU is going
anywhere but down and for the U - I think if they had a healthy QB they would be
right there at the top of the Pac 12. So long BYU football. Thanks for the
The fact is that BYU is not a very good football team. Maybe they need to send
their coaches up to Boise State and read their play book. I don't know what it
is but they just don't have that spark that we used to see when coach Edwards
was there.I get a bit tired of Bronco's same old story. He needs to be
reminde to quit acting like a GA and just figure out how to put some spark in
his football team.I was invited to the game next week but would much
rather watch Boise State.
Did he talk about it being better to talk a good game rather than play it?? 54- 10 go Utes
Bronco get off the pulpit, you are a football coach not a Young Mens president.
You have a heart of a Shepherd which is great, but you are forgetting the mind
of a Warrior. Football is a game, a violent game which provides entertainment.
Let BYU administration worry about the mission of BYU, your job is to provide a
team that fans like to watch and support with their wallets, not a team that is
undisciplined as displayed by the number of penalties, number of turnovers and a
defense that gets too tired too early.
Utah now leads the rivalry: 55-34-4Jordan Wynn 2Jake Hypes
0To all byu fans! Next time don't hype up your team and
players to be amazing and dominant during the off season. Your only setting
yourselves up for failure and tonight showed just that. To all Utah
fans who criticize Jordan Wynn!Quit criticizing Wynn, a true Utah fan will
stick by their team and players no matter what the situation is. Wynn is all we
have at the quarterback position and he is leading us through our first year in
the Pac-12. Give the kid some slack! He looked great tonight and I hope he
continues to get better. Great game tonight Utes!
If this is truely the mission and focus of BYU Athletics, then let it be said
and we will accept it. Please do not then make comments about how independence
is going to give BYU the exposure they need to make it to a BCS game. Please
come clean about the ESPN deal that was all about the $'s. I can completely
support BYU stating that their athletic program is not about winning but of a
bigger focus. Please then tell us now that going independent was about the money
to pay for the rest of the athletic programs and school. We can all understand
this. There is just too much confusion and mistrust in what many of us see going
on. Please do not hold a press conference after each game or have booster club
interviews unless you are ready to discuss the issues that many of us feel you
were hired to do as a coach. If this is not in your job discription to put a
winning program on the field, then state this up front and we will all be behind
I wasn't at the CC meeting where he got grilled, so I can't say whether the
questions were as hypocritical as Bronco alludes . . . but I do hope he'll take
more care after this dreadful loss. . . . from a loyal Bronco fan
and Cougar fan.
Nobody loves the restored gospel and the church more than me, but it looks like
Coach is trying to reach too far here, he needs to really focus on coaching, and
not excuse losses as unimportant. The Y football team is not playing well
because they can't accept that the best thing they can do is to be good sports
and win. Do not hide in gospel purposes mistakes made on the football field.
We look to the Prophet to lead the church, Bronco to lead the Y football
team...how is that going?
I've read this article and I watched the game. Honestly, I don't even know what
to say to byu fans at this point. Tomorrow, Mendenhall will say: byu didn't execute at a high level. Next year he will say the better team
didn't win. Sounds like the fireside was very nice.
If your message is valid, then your message will spread itself. Not PR
campaigns, not a tv network, not building malls and luxury condos, and not
exposure from a football team. The MESSAGE will spread itself, if it is true.
Football can teach lots of lessons about life, but using it to expose a church
seems.. a little off.
" more television viewers have watched the team's last two games than all
the contests combined from the previous six seasons."-------------I agree. In fact, there were so many tuned in last
night I could actually hear all those TVs across the country click off in the
4th quarter.Danny Ainge, Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Andy Reid and
Jimmer Fredette have received more exposure than all other BYU athletes
combined, including Vai Sikehema, Gifford Nielsen and Ty Mattingly --
professional broadcasters. Why? Because of their on-field success, each became
familiar to a national audience. You've confused purpose and
method, Bronco. Without a good product on the field, a contract with ESPN will
be meaningless as fans fail to tune in and show up. Without a good product on
the field, people will laugh at you, not respect you. If you don't believe
that, turn your ears toward Salt Lake City. Go on Facebook. Read the threads
I'm sure you are sure you are above.This year's team is not a good
product, nor was last years. Stop looking down your nose at others and start
looking in the mirror. Get your OC into the press box with the pros.
"Y. coach tells fireside of bigger mission." The title says it all.
The big question her is...WHY is the football coach focusing more time on giving
firesides than he is preparing his football team? Mendenhall understands the
purpose of the church more than he understands "where his football team has
been, why they're here, and where they're going." I am embarased to be a
BYU fan today.
I dont buy season tickets and donate to scholarship funds for this so-called
"bigger mission". I support the FOOTBALL program in order to see
excellence in the game of football! If you want support for this "bigger
mission", I pay for that on the tithing slips. Don't get the two confused.
We expect WINS, not firesides!
Bronco is doing a good job of promoting clean living on the team, and he hasn't
forgotten the quest, but he needs to tread lightly. The boosters aren't a
generation of hypocrites and vipers. They are, like the coach, church members
who want to support the university and share the gospel. They also understand
that bad football doesn't further those aims.Bronco can't use the
church to shield himself from appropriate criticism. If he does (as others have
in the past) people will stop donating, and stop buying tickets and T.V.
commercials. That's usually the point when there's a new coach.
Maybe you mission should be to win football games, Bronco. Outside of that, the
University can fill in the character gaps.
so this attitude by the coach is part of what leads to the coaches and team
being unprepared for games. Maybe Bronco should watch how coach Rose does it.
Ugliest football game televised this year. Better stop the bleeding. Ole Miss,
UT and U were about the only quality teams on the schedule this year, and BYU is
1-2. If they play like they did Saturday, they will end up 5-7 (4-8?), with a
new head coach next year. Now I'm not invested either way, Y or U, but I think
Chris B might just have y'all's number this year....
If Bronco is emphasizing so much on the bigger picture, higher standard, and
representing the LDS church, but then Why do they use a QB who chose not to go
on a mission? It doesn't seem to be matching with his philosophy.