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Glenn Garvin: Where is the outrage over liberal violent video game?

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:48 a.m.

    What a stupid and tasteless video game. Go ahead and boycott. I was ready to agree with the author completely until the very end when he only quoted the part of the Hoffa quote that they showed on Fox news. The whole quote very clearly shows that Mr. Hoffa was talking about voting them out of office, not about going after them violently.

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 3:30 a.m.

    I've grown weary of people telling me I need to be outraged over something. It's no coincidence these attempts to convince us we should be angry are always from someone pushing an agenda.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    The game only wants to kill them once they become zombies. If dems were to zombify, I suppose they'd want to add them to the list of the "to be destroyed" as well.

    Most of these violent games are ridiculous anyway. They inure us to violence against other members of our race (human). Is it any wonder that you can't open the paper anymore without reading articles about someone killing someone else? Even in mass numbers?

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 15, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    There will be those on the left and the right who cross the line.

    We should repudiate them ALL when they do. (as olbermann did in this case)

    However, it is unreasonable to paint with such a broad brush.

    Liberals as a group did not develop this game. A person or company did. And most likely their motive was money, although they probably ARE liberals.

    I find it hard to equate some un-named company with specific words of specific people. Kind of cowardly.

    This article profiles a pathetic game and equates it with Liberals.
    I doubt that many liberals feel this game is appropriate (but, if you look, you can find some who do and those are the ones who get all the press)

    Personally, I wish Obama had called out Maxine Waters and James Hoffa for their pathetic remarks. They are SPECIFIC, high profile people. Call them out PERSONALLY for things that they said.

    Don't use Glenn Becks remarks then say "see what conservatives say?" Call out Beck specifically when he crosses the line.

    In the end, we can only be responsible for our own words and actions.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    Don't worry, Glenn. The liberal zombie head smashing counter-game is sure to follow this one within hours. It's not really politics, it's extended adolescence.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    "Words turn into bullets, apparently, only when uttered by Republicans."

    All incitements for violence are despicable, even in jest.

    Never heard of the game in question, and it sounds like a terrible game.

    Questions: Are this game's creators running for office? Do they have their own radio and cable shows? Do they author books in which they label their critics as "filth" and "traitors"?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    Here we go again, conservatives complaining about the actions of a group on the other side, when they have people doing the exact same stuff. But here's the rub: I had not heard of this game (nor the group) before you told me. The surest way for this to fade away is to shut up, but you have turned the light on it, probably what the creators of the game wanted. You can't protest everything out there that you don't like. The world is too big. Most stuff comes and goes with little notice until whiners like this stir it up.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Gee, this is what you should expect by being tea party zombies. You think you can be unrelentingly antagonist to the American public without this kind of thing? Be glad it's just a video game. You probably need to search the net a little more for the conservative analog of this game.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Ha! I especially love the "We tricked the god people into believing in tax cuts for the rich" zombie. That's hilarious. But the Koch Brothers zombie is pretty scary looking. Yikes.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 15, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    "Why is it so hard to simply acknowledge that this game is hateful and tasteless"

    I don't think it is hard.

    It is hateful and tasteless, and so far, the "liberals" have mostly taken that stance. See, that is not so hard.

    Yes, Palin was about wining elections. However, the use of cross-hairs was a poor choice. Yes, overblown, but a poor choice.

    And to Esquire, I find that the logic of the right has those "doing the exact same stuff" , while completely true, is not a defense.

    With that logic, when will it ever stop?

    How about this. "Both sides do it, and it is wrong. And I find this game hateful and tasteless. And I will condemn it whenever it happens by whoever does it."

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 15, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Obviously a dispicable video game that won't be played by the majority of liberals. We're not the gun crazy population remember?

    Of course the author could have done a little research and found that there have been violent video games shooting Obama, harry Reid and Palosi.

    There was even a carnival in Penselvania where they had a picture of obama to throw darts at.

    And how many pictures of Obama have been shot at during the rush to get ur' guns before they're taken away by obama scare of just last year?

    The travesty here is the selective outrage and group blaming by the author. Yes let's make out all liberals to be the ones shooting guns all the time and with violent tendencies - if it makes you feel good.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 15, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    And if say Joe Biden had put crosshairs on republican members of congress pictures and then one of them were shot?

    It's just dishonest to compare that to a nobody making a video game comparable to the increadible lack of judgement Palin showed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    AS much as I find this game disgusting, I have to ask...

    Do Conservative really, Really believe in Capitalism and the Free Market?
    or
    Is it just lip service to win votes?

    Censoring, regulating and making the Government do something about it runs diametrically opposed to everything the Tea Partiers stands for.

    You either stand for something or you don't.
    You can't cherry pick.

    BTW - No one has ever heard of this stupid game, but NOW it's got all kinds of free publicicity [good or bad] along with $100s of thousands in free adversting.

    You should have just ignored it and letting the "Free Market" decide to let it die-on-the-vine.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Wow, all of the liberals here have missed the point. Let me make it clear, since you missed it.

    The point is that if a Conservative did something that portrayed violence against liberals, the liberals would be out there screaming about how horrible it was. In this case it is liberals portraying violence against conservatives, and they are ok with that. It was the liberals who have said that violence is not acceptable in any form or speech.

    Are liberals willing to take the blame when a conservative is injured or killed by somebody who has been playing that particular video game?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    To Red shirt: Most of the "liberals" here are decidedly not "ok" with it. Eisenhower Republicans like me are not okay with it. The game is trash.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Yes, the game is juvenile and tasteless, but this just shows how thin-skinned the Tea Party can be. As usual, they can dish it out...

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Yes, Overwhelmingly the "liberals" on this board have denounced this game.

    If you find someone that thinks this game is OK, call THEM OUT specifically.

    But, then, that's not nearly as much fun as saying "Liberals think this game is OK"

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    To "Roland Kayser | 9:15 a.m." and "KJB1 | 9:17 a.m." you make the point of the letter. You have no outrage. You and your ilk had a bigger fit over crosshairs on a map than you are having on this video game.

    Where is your outrage. So far you exhibit indifference.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    The game is stupid and inappropriate.
    Liberals were unaware they because they typically don't read right-winged sites such as Drudge etc.

    Re: Counter Intelligence
    The DNC didn't use crosshairs they used bulls eyes. Republicans support the use of guns and are against gun control. Additionally there have been examples of right wing people specifically targeting and killing liberals. Jim Adkisson wrote in his manifesto that liberalism is the worst problem in America and that Democrats are the terrorists allies before going into a Universalist Unitarian church and killing two people, injuring seven others. There is also the case of Byron Williams who targeted the Tides Foundation and engaged in a shoot out with police after listening to Beck's programs. I myself, while listening to Hannity and Limbaugh programs heard a caller to the show say he wanted to "take matters into his own hands" against liberals.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Good heavens. It is a stupid video game. Get on with your lives. Must we take offense to everything?

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    "Are liberals willing to take the blame when a conservative is injured or killed by somebody who has been playing that particular video game?"

    I don't think so, nor should they.

    Who is this person that wrote the game?
    Do you even know his or her name?
    Are they prominent leaders in the Democratic party?
    Are Democrats condoning this game or this game creator?
    Is the game creator a sitting Congressmen or running for office?
    Can you name one Democrat that has defended or condoned this game?

    That is the difference.

    You want to equate some un known company's despicable game to the Rhetoric of high ranking party people that was defended universally and unequivocally by the right.

    Now that is a stretch

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    This game is just offensive (and I guess I have to note I'm a liberal for those who are keeping score).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    RedShirt | 10:11 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011
    USS Enterprise, UT

    "You have no outrage. You and your ilk had a bigger fit over crosshairs on a map than you are having on this video game.

    Where is your outrage. So far you exhibit indifference."

    ===================

    Maybe you missed all 24 comments so far RedShirt -
    "Liberals" have ALL expressed outrage, condemnation and poor sense of judgement towards this. Not a single supporter.

    I liked what Screwdriver | 8:18 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011
    said,
    "Obviously a dispicable video game that won't be played by the majority of liberals. We're not the gun crazy population remember?"

    Let me try one a Glenn Beck 9/12 Tea Partier rationalization explanation
    [like used for those during the "Civil" Town-hall meetings]...

    How do we know this wasn't some sort of "Ultra-Conservative" gun-toting, GOP plant, pretending to be a Liberal - trying to make anyone on the left look bad??

    To me, that could be the only "logical" explanation.

    However, we don't use "conspiracy theories" to explain the inexplicable.

    Dumb game - move along.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Ahh Sound Bite Pagen, there you go again. From these you posted it doesn't look like any conservative got a pass. And I'm sure that the guy who shot Giffords didn't look at Sarah Palin's web site and see the crosshairs before he went after her. Also, I've seen Democrat web sites in the past with crosshairs on them targeting certain legislative districts. So what's the big deal? IT's a non-issue. Get off of your high horse.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    'And I'm sure that the guy who shot Giffords didn't look at Sarah Palin's web site and see the crosshairs before he went after her.' - Flashback | 10:56 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011

    Well,

    so long as your sure.

    'Don't retreat, reload'
    'Let's take our country back'

    All popular Sarah Palin quotes.

    As I have mentioned before, Sarah Palin did not pull the trigger.

    But the CONSTANT violent refferences and defemation of character is now a conservative punch-line.

    Also, you failed to give ANY examples of Democrats putting cross-hairs on their websites.

    Just the claim.

    Another conservative tactic.

    Lying.

    Let's try to REVERSE the tactic. Use the same rhetoric on you.

    You, are a 'Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug'. You 'hate America' and are 'taking away our freedoms.' We should go to your home, and 'take our country back.'

    This, isn't in some video game Flashback.

    These quotes were made by REAL people. Targeting REAL Americans.

    And, as the norm, conservatives try to justify it.

    Instead of, as Redshirt says, be outraged, against it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    @anyone talking about Palin's crosshairs

    It really means nothing. I really don't care that she used that because it was pretty obvious that it meant replacing them via ballots. Would it be better to use something else? Perhaps, but there are far worse things than that map and plenty of things comparable to Palin's rhetoric on both sides.

    If you really want to point to an example of actually violent rhetoric then look at Joyce Kaufman, a conservative radio host from Florida who Allen West (R-FL) wanted to make his chief of staff. She had said to a cheering tea party audience that "if ballots don't work...bullets will". Now THAT, is violent rhetoric. Why isn't that an example of things that needs to be toned down? Heck, why didn't I hear of that one anywhere other than The Rachel Maddow Show? There's even video of it so you get the full context too. Instead we get to hear about is stupid things like Palin's crosshairs map and the only reason that is what gets criticized is because well... nobody knows who Kaufman is, Palin gets ratings, and that's just stupid.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    We have got to stop the pendulum swinging farther towards hatred (yes, hatred) with each presidential cycle.

    Fortunately for conservatives, they have miles to go before they come anywhere close to the level of hatred expressed towards President Bush last time around. The gobsmackingly hypocritical liberal calls for "civility" after the Giffords incident, and the blood libel (yes, that's what it was), are actually part and parcel of liberal hatred for their enemies.

    Well, liberals, I will do my part for civility by resolving to hate you just a little less than you hate me. An added advantage is that I, with my thinking less clouded by hate, will be better able to think my way clearly to the best way to beat you.

    I think part of the fact that liberals are better haters (they get no credit from me for restricting themselves, generally, to "approved" hatreds like politics) goes back to their roots in early labor unionism, which -- no matter what the myths say -- was a truly bloodthirsty, violent culture. Read up on the Herrin massacre, if you're looking to lose your breakfast.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Yet, if liberals had spoken out against it, repubs would automatically take the opposing view and support it and claim that it's free market.

    Where are all the free market proponents now? Wanting government to ban this game? LOL! Hilarious how the right wing flip flops.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    where was the right wing outrage when Beck said that the President had a deep seeded hatred for white culture?

    that's far worse IMO than some video game.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    The "new America", was supposed to be about the Reagan "free market"; "unregulated" opportunities for venturing capitalists to create demand and "cash-in"...

    But, now the Reagan "free-market" will be "re-defined" as an almost Reagan "free-market", somewhat regulated, by the those who have the power/inclination/drive/will/money to do the "re-defining"...?

    Sort of like the capitalist "Golden Rule"...

    He who has the Gold, makes the rules...

    BTW:

    I'm "faux-outraged" at the "faux-outrage" of he/she who brought us this story.

    However, I must qualify (re-define) my vote by writing that I have never bought or played a video game...

    and never will.

    Ron Paul, anyone?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Bad taste, particularly violent bad taste, deserves condemnation by any fair minded person. Forget the political labels just for once.

  • Bruce Edward Walker Midland, MI
    Sept. 15, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    The only thing different about this game and the old practice of putting your middle-school nemesis' pic on your dartboard is the technology used to smite in effigy your enemy. I'm sure anti-Tea Partiers will smugly play the game and enjoy doing so -- and who cares? If they're playing zombie video games, they're not astro-turfing, running for office, watching the latest Al Gore global warming propaganda movie, or advocating for big-government solutions and higher taxes. Good on them!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Huh?

    Fair and balanced?

    Simply insane?

    Fox News?

    Nonsense?

    Yup.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Redshirt is playing word games again.

    When I say the game is dispicable he says I must say?

    When he says renounce, we say?

    When he says outrage he says ?

    Redshirt, YOU don't seem all that outraged really. I didn't hear you say the game was dispicable. You have to use the word I want you to use. Now say dispicable.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    TO "LDS Liberal | 10:55 a.m." and "Screwdriver | 9:55 p.m." again, the hypocricy of your ilk is on display. The best your ilk has done so far is to say that the game is dumb or that they don't like it.

    As an example of liberals showing more outrage, look at the comments for the DN story "Timeout for civility appears to be over". The same liberals who comment today were much more outraged by perceived attacks by conservatives than they are about this video game.

    Again, I will say it, the liberals are hypocrites because they show outrage when the perceive violent symbols being used against them, but at best show indifference when violent symbols are used against conservatives.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 16, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    The game is disgusting, but free speech must be protected with the same vigor that conservatives protect the right of the corporations and the rich to make unlimited political contributions.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    RedShirt | 8:12 a.m. Sept. 16, 2011
    USS Enterprise, UT
    TO "LDS Liberal | 10:55 a.m." and "Screwdriver | 9:55 p.m." again, the hypocricy of your ilk is on display. The best your ilk has done so far is to say that the game is dumb or that they don't like it.

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    What the flip do you want RedShirt? Honestly.

    You a word-smithing.

    If one says - Freedom of speech, let the free market decide - You'd be fine with it for Conservative ideals, and against it for liberal ideals.

    If one was to say - censor and restrict the game! - You'd holler Freedom of Speech and Big Government intervention, again...picking and choosing only YOUR ideals, and not for others.

    That's not how America and our Constitition is set-up.
    Stop trying to trample the Constitution!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 17, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal | 12:27 p.m." I am not word smithing. If you look at the article that I referenced, the liberals there were going nuts. Here, the best that any of your ilk has managed is to essentially say that they don't like the game.

    If something was wrong, and required strong language before when the hate was directed at liberals, why are those of your ilk so uncaring now?

    The fact is that when somebody says anything against liberals, you do cry out for censorship and restrictions. When somebody says something against conservatives you either cheer them on or else are indifferent.

    Just look at the comments on any article that says something positive about Glenn Beck. Your ilk has more to say negatively about Glenn Beck, and their desire to shut him down and restrict what he can do than there are total posts on this article so far.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberalism.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    RedShirt | 8:16 a.m. Sept. 17, 2011
    USS Enterprise, UT

    Just look at the comments on any article that says something positive about Glenn Beck. Your ilk has more to say negatively about Glenn Beck, and their desire to shut him down and restrict what he can do than there are total posts on this article so far.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberalism.

    ==============

    That's because Glenn Beck is a Hypocrite.
    [Like most Conservatives].

    He rips Socialism daily,
    Then goes to Israel routing "Restoring Courage"
    And sings the praises of Israel.

    Israel is a Liberal Socialist country.

    Now, who's the Hypocrite?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 19, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal | 6:36 p.m." how is Glenn Beck a hypocrite. If the reason why you and ohter of your ilk attack him so hard is because he is a hypocrite, why don't you attack liberals that are hypocrites also?

    Socialism is wrong, the prophets have said so. Had you bothered to read or understand why he went there, it wasn't for the political or social policies of their government. He went there to rally support for a country that has neighbors looking to destroy it. They are the US's greatest ally in that area, and the current administration has been throwing them under the bus lately.

    How is it hypocrisy to defend people who would be destroyed if the US wasn't their ally?