It's BYU/Oklahoma or bust for the Big 12Texas A&M's move to the
SEC ultimately would happen if Oklahoma stays put in the Big 12, but until that
occurs eight of the remaining nine Big 12 schools will not waive their right to
pursue litigation against the SEC and A&M, a source with knowledge of the
situation told ESPN.If Oklahoma commits to the Big 12 and Texas
A&M leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 is going to pursue BYU as a 10th member,
according to the source. The source said there was strong interest from the
Cougars prior to last week's comments from Oklahoma president David Boren that
the Sooners were exploring their options. BYU, formerly of the Mountain West, is
an independent in football and its other remaining sports compete in the West
The ball appears to be in Oklahoma's court to save college football from total
Ou will stay, the big 12 will bring on more Texas teams, byu will not be saving
any conference. You all underestimate the power of Texas politicians getting
their fingers in this.
One thing is clear, BYU is not going to be the savior of the Big 12. If the Big
12 does stay together it won't be including BYU. In order to keep Texas and
Oklahoma in the Big 12, you're going to need a much bigger fish than BYU to join
the conference. If not, Oklahoma will go to the PAC 12 and Texas will go
BYU "fared well" by knocking out OU's quarterback, sending the team to
a 7-5 record (it's worst under Bob Stoops).Everyone notes that the Texas
game is winnable because Texas looks to be down again this year.Has
BYU proven it can play in the Big 12? Scheduling OU and Texas on down years is
lucky. You don't get lucky in conference play. If OU is down, Texas is up, or
Mizzou is up, or OK State is up... BYU wouldn't dominate that league, by any
means. Why give up independence and a contract with ESPN to finish 4th or 5th
A lot of rock-sure opinions here - based on insider information, I suppose. The
thing is, those who predict the demise of BYU football as we know it don't seem
to recognize that BYU is exactly where they planned to be a year ago - football
independent and otherwise with the WCC. If the Big-12 implodes, nothing changes.
If the Big-12 invites BYU, then the Y will have to decide what to do, but they
have choices. Or the Big-12 stays intact and no invite comes, and the Cougars
stand pat with independence and the WCC, which was Plan A all along. Any thing else is unlikely speculation, but in no way do things get worse for
the Cougars if things on their current course. For those who choose
to see this as a horrible situation, I say - enjoy your smug condescension. True
fans want to see their team play and play well. That part doesn't change under
any of three scenarios.
BYU will always be a decent football team and will fare well, just not the
caliber of the Utes or most typical BCS teams. Yes, BYU did win an NC, can't
take that away at all. However, the BCS bustin Utes beating Alabama had much
more credibility and was more impressive, which lead to a BCS conference invite
and will lead them into additional national prominence while BYU struggles with
UT this week and Utes beat USC!!
Stay independent!! The Big 12 is the Titanic. Wait for the next boat.Better yet, let Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to the Big 12 and let Texas go
independent, so they can keep their network. From there, convince Air Force to
go independent to join Army and Navy. If this happened, the six independent
schools could play each other in October and November. Now that would be
Despite the baseless whiney opinions of the jealous naysayers on the hill, if
Oklahoma and Texas commit to staying in the Big 12, the conference will survive,
Texas A&M will leave for the SEC, and BYU will replace the Aggies in the Big
Bo Diddley Tech | 10:47 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 SALT LAKE CITY, UTBYU
will always be a decent football team and will fare well, just not the caliber
of the Utes or most typical BCS teams. Yes, BYU did win an NC, can't take that
away at all. However, the BCS bustin Utes beating Alabama had much more
credibility and was more impressive, which lead to a BCS conference invite -------Bo, the Utes (and I'm happy for them) got lucky when
Texas, and OK turned down the Pac last year, otherwise the Pac would've been 16
with TX, OK, OSU, Tx Tech, Tx A&M and CO and the Utes would still be in the
MWC. The BCS wins had very little to do with the invite, otherwise CO wouldn't
have been invited. They haven't been all that lately, though they have been
historically. It is all about the TV sets, not the teams.
the thing about BYU in the Big 12 is I doubt schools will fear BYU recruiting in
their backyard as much. The LDS population isn't as great as in Big 12 states
as it is in California, so they'll think it less likely to lose a recruit to BYU
than they would to USC or Florida.
Rational, Neither A&M or Colorado would go with Texas to any
conference. The whole point of them leaving the Big 12 was to get away from
Texas. That kind of blows up your theory of Utah lucking in to the PAC.
Oh good - so THIS is the game that BYU has to win to prove to the Big 12 that
they belong. Glad to know that. So the win against #3 OU wasn't enough.From what I read, if BYU does get in to the Big 12, do what you can to get out
of the game against Iowa State.
Conference talk aside, BYU had better play better this week than they did last
week or else it could be a long day.
It was unfortunate that hit ended Bradford's season. OU was on track to have a
very good '09, losing Bradford cost them the year. Always want to see athletes
play hard and hit hard, never want to see a player hurt.
Remember, as the tribune said it best, there are 64000 reasons to join the big12
if invited. If Oklahoma and Texas commit to stay on paper, BYU would be crazy
not to go. Tom Holmoe still has to schedule 2 for 1 with Texas , ND and other
big schools. With the exception of 2013, the home schedule is still bad. Give
the home fans somebody to get excited about or Holmoe will start seeing LES
becoming less and less full. The loyal home fans will only put up with so much
before they quit paying the ticket prices. The home basketball schedule is
Texas is not going independent without a BCS deal like Notre Dame. Likewise,
Notre Dame is not joining a conference since they have an exclusive BCS deal
already.The Big 12 is not going away as long as it has Texas and they will
not lose their BCS AQ status.The BYU/OU game and this week's UT game are
perfect timing for a Big 12 invite. Other schools may depart away from Texas but
the Y should take the invite. It's like karma.
"although Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State is doing
everything it can to prevent Texas A&M from leaving"The
rest of the country is saying that Texas A&M *has left* the Big12.I went to public schools, but know enough to write that "...Baylor [...]
and Iowa State ARE doing...".
Honestly, I'd love to see Texas join BYU in the independent world. Two great
programs with their own TV network. They would be setting a high bar for many
programs. I've already heard many schools say they are jealous we both have our
own network. Just get ND lined up with their own and the independent world will
be looking great!Living in Big XII country, everyone is so sick of
Texas dictating everything, which was a major reason for Nebraska leaving. The
conference will continue talks of leaving until the evil grasp of Texas is gone.
Some Utah fans need to back off on the Utah BCS calibre hype. Utah had the good
fortune of having a couple of great seasons and the Big 12 south deciding not to
join the PAC 16 just before the latest conference reshuffling dance, otherwise
the Utes would be in an even worse position than the Cougars, stuck in the MWC
with nowhere to go.BYU has proven that they're an elite football
program and deserve to be included in whatever upper-echelon incarnation of
major college football that emerges.
"Has BYU proven it can play in the Big 12? Scheduling OU and Texas on down
years is lucky."Moderate, they didn't schedule those teams on
down years. One of the wins vs OU was a bowl game, the other was a year many
projected OU to compete for a NC. When BYU scheduled Texas this year, the
longhorns were a top-10 team year after year. While it's debatable about how
good those teams were, their scheduling was on the up and up. BYU
has proven they can play, and beat, Big-12 teams. 8-3 since the 80's isn;t a
huge "n", but it should be enough to convince people they belong.But it seems like some people will never get enough proof. Just like
Utah has to prove themselves once more vs USC, just like Boise had to prove
themselves once more vs Georgia, just like BYU will have to prove itself once
more vs Texas. It doesn't end for these folks always needing a sign.
The mothership is reporting that if Oklahoma commits to the Big 12 and Texas
A&M leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 is going to pursue BYU as a 10th member
and that "there was strong interest from the Cougars".If
that happens it will be: So long WCC, thanks for nothing.
JohnInSLCThe WCC has known from day 1 that BYU would leave the WCC
if the Cougars were invited to join a BCS conference. BYU will play at least one
season in the WCC, and it's possible that BYU could even leave some of their
minor sports like tennis and women's soccer in the WCC as an associate member.
Regardless, I'm sure BYU will offer a nice parting gift to the WCC, like
agreeing to continue television some of their sports, like the WCC basketball
tournament, on BYUtv.
Congrats from a true Ute fan to BYU's football program for even being considered
to join the BIG 12. This shows the respect their football program has earned
over a long period of time and they are being recognized. Although I must say,
the Independent idea isn't looking as bad as I thought it would, they should
probably consider trying it for a few years, especially considering the Big 12
looks like a sinking ship.
BYU only joins the Big XII if the Big XII is willing to allow the current TV
deal with ESPN and BYUtv to continue uninterrupted. Scheduling home games at
LES has to be really the only plus to come from joining the Big XII, a
conference that looks to be imploding before our eyes. Basketball schedules
would improve as well, though the bottom of the Big XII is probably worse than
the bottom of the MWC or WCC for that matter.
Striker,Notre Dame does have their own Network. It is called NBC.
They dont need to have their own network on a small TV station that no one knows
about. NBC is a big name, everyone has that channel, and everyone knows Notre
BO diddely tech I believe most Ute fans belittle BYU's NC because they played a
mediocre Michigan Team in the Holiday bowl giving them and undefeated season,
which the voters then gave BYU the national championship. Yet, those same Ute
fans, continue to point out their two BCS games, yet fail to acknowledge that
Utah beat a mediocre Michigan team, which helped them be unbeaten. Too many of
the Ute Fans are looking through a glass darkly and fail to recognize the beam
in their eyes while trying to point out a mote in BYU's eyes. Here is a
quote concerning that Michigan team. "Rodriguez's first season was one of
adjustment, with Michigan suffering its first losing season since 1967, and more
losses (9) in a single season than in any other in the program's 129 year
history." My question to you and other BYU haters is this?
Why is Utah's undefeated season so glorious, so miraculous and so stellar when
they beat a team that went 3-9 while BYU's season was nothing when they beat
Michigan who had a 7-5 season and became NC. Sounds like a lot of
pure hypocrisy to me on your part.
Chad S,The home football schedule is not the only thing that would
improve if BYU were to join the Big XII. Their bowl opportunities would improve
immensely as well. Right now BYU will play in the same lower tier bowl if they
finish 11-1 or 6-6. An 11-1 record in the Big XII, though admittedly harder to
achieve, gets you into a BCS bowl, and possibly even the NC game. But the
biggest danger to BYU is if the Big XII implodes it will set off the
super-conference arms race and BYU will be left behind and forced to play a
majority of mid-major opponents from then on, especially in Provo, since the
teams from super-conferences will play 9-10 conference games per year, and will
not want to go on the road to play a tough non-conference opponent that they
could quite possibly lose to.
Chad SIf BYU joins the Big 12, they'll either become a full partner
in the current television contract, or they'll keep their own ESPN contract
until the next Big 12 television contract is negotiated. Either way, BYU will
insist on keeping their rebroadcast rights for all BYU sports and the right to
broadcast any home games not picked up by their Big 12 television partners.
Independence would be a VERY tough row to hoe for BYU in a super-conference
landscape, especially if Notre Dame gives up its independence to join one of
them (most likely the Big Ten). BYU would be stuck playing teams mostly from the
WAC and C-USA, with maybe a couple of teams from the MWC. Meanwhile, their
rivals to the north would be playing big name teams USC, ASU, Oregon, and
possibly Oklahoma and Texas. This would be a disaster for BYU Football as
attendance would gradually start to dwindle, and recruiting would take a big
hit. BYU needs to do whatever it can to get into a BCS conference now. They will
never get this close again. Holmoe needs to call the Oklahoma AD and do whatever
he can to sell BYU and convince the Sooners to stay in the Big XII. They also
need to make a big statement this weekend against the Longhorns. This game is
the definition of a "money game" and Bronco needs to learn from Boise
State that you have to win your money games.
Papa Smurf"They dont need to have their own network on a small
TV station that no one knows about."BYUtv's "small"
station is already available in 60 million homes, 15 million more than Versus,
and no doubt is available in millions more homes than the PAC 12 network will
ever be available in.Besides, every fan from an opposing team that
plays BYU will quickly learn about the availability of BYUtv. BYU fans worldwide
already know about it, and thousands of fans of BYU's opponents will be learning
about BYUtv on a weekly basis.btw, replays of ND games aren't on
I love all the utes fans that think they are a national power now, because they
are in the pac 12. You are still a regional team that has no draw outside of
the state of utah. BYU on the other hand has fans all over the country and
draws well everywhere they go. Don't kid yourselves. If Texas would have
joined the pac like the pac wanted utah would be in the MWC and so would Boise
st, BYU and TCU that is a pretty good conference right there. BYU is the front
runner to join the big 12 because Notre Dame won't join and Arkansas is not
going to leave the SEC.
deductive reasoning,I dont think ND cares if there are replays later
on of their games. True fans will watch the game while it is on, or DVR the
game, and catch up to it live when they get home. Are all these Y fans going to
go re watch a game like last years Utah St game where they got man handled? If
you want to re watch the game over and over and over again, just DVR it. I know
that AllJazoobie TV is in 60 million homes, but only about 10-12 million
actually know that it is there, and if they are not a Y fan or a member of my
church, they will not seek it out to watch BYU play. That is why Notre Dame has
NBC, and a national following. Everyone stops on NBC on Saturdays to see who is
playing. I doubt anyone other than the ones I stated will just STOP on
Alljazoobie TV to watch a game. I do think that having your own network is a lot
better than the TV they had in the MWC.
"replays of ND games aren't on NBC."deductive:Rebroadcasts of Notre Dame home games are seen on Universal HD, the hi-def
cable channel owned by NBC and available on virtually every cable and satellite
Baby ute,Clearly, you have no idea what it means to have your own
station. BYU can not only show big games they've played, but fans can watch
them over and over and over. Not everyone has the luxury of DVR. Not only
that, but LDS people all over the world can tune into BYUtv and watch great
shows, including conference live. I doubt Catholics can learn about the latest
from the pope on NBC 24/7, or see their favorite Catholic shows, movies, news,
culture, etc. Lame bash about the mtn. That only features sports.
BYUtv captures everything an active LDS person cares about. That's something
the Longhorn Network nor NBC produces. You can hate all you want, but BYUtv is
an amazing feature for members of the LDS faith.
MiP "But it seems like some people will never get enough proof."Sound like you have enough proof, so I am curious.BYU in the Big 12.
Where do they finish in conference year after year?
An independent Texas would be awesome! One more quality opponent that would
also be looking for Oct-Nov games to fill out their schedule. I'd love to see
us playing ND, Navy and Texas (even occasionally Army) on a regular basis. As far as BYU needing to be a part of the "haves" in a
super-conference world, Bronco said as much in a recent interview, also stating
that we need to (continue) to prove our relevance on the field. Hopefully we
can (continue) to do that this week! Beat Texas!!
JohnInSLCLike I said, ND replays aren't shown on NBC. It doesn't
matter who owns the channel, the only thing that matters is the availability of
the channel. Log on to BYUtv dot com and you'll see dozens of past BYU games
already available, with more and more being added every week. Does Universal HD
have a quickly filling archive of past ND games and does it begin replaying ND
games almost immediately after the live game ends? Could I watch replays of
BYU's wins over Notre Dame in South Bend and in Provo, anytime?More
importantly for Utah fans, will the Utes ever have such access to Utah games?
Moderate"Where do they finish in conference year after
year?"Where did they finish year after year in the MWC? In the
WAC? Many places, but they averaged between first and second. Where
would they finish in the Big XII, year after year? I'd say probably start with
an average between second and third, trending up from there. Depends on who is
in the conference.
ModerateUtah in the PAC X. Where do they finish in conference year
after year?Lately, the Utes have been a 2nd or 3rd place finisher,
but prior to 2003, the Utes regularly finished 4th, 5th, or even lower. Will
Utah fans consider Utah's move to the PAC X a bust if the Utes become perennial
6th or 7th place finishers?For a team that's only won 6 WAC/MWC
championships in the last 60 years, I wouldn't be too all-fired-up confident
that the Utes will ever be regular conference favorites in the PAC 12, and
likely never conference favorites in a Texas/Oklahoma dominated division of the
"More importantly for Utah fans, will the Utes ever have such access to
Utah games?"deductive:We learned how to operate
VCR's 30+ years ago, so DVR's are no problem today. And for what it's worth, I
downloaded the '09 Sugar Bowl from iTunes.It cracks me up that you
think internet streaming is the great answer to the three people on the planet
who are eager to watch the cougies lose to Utah State on '10. Of course, maybe
there is another market, for all the Y's video replay experts to hone their
skills by endlessly watching that last great victory over San Diego State.
JohnInSLCDid you have a DVR in the 70's, 80's, 90's? Of course,
since Utah football was practically non-existent before 2003, it's probably a
good thing there isn't an easily accessible video record of Utah's past.Concerning the present, however. How about that handful of California
Utah fans? Have any of them even seen the Montana State game?What
few Utah fans live outside the Wasatch Front are feeling very left out of Utah's
first season in the PAC 12.
LonestarRunner"Utah in the PAC X. Where do they finish in conference
year after year?"That's the problem with BYU fans... BYU is a
national program, but the fans don't know it yet. For SO long, they have
compared themselves to Utah, they can't NOT do that.How Utah
succeeds or fails in the Pac 12, has NOTHING to do with how BYU will do as an
independent or how they would do in the Big 12. Let it go! Accept that you
have a national program now! The nation doesn't care about cherry-picked stats
against the Utes."How would BYU do?" is a valid question
to ask. If the realistic answer (i.e. not Y Grad's) is "BYU would finish
4th or 5th every year", then it would be foolish for BYU to give up what it
has just to join an AQ conference.
ModerateYou're talking in circles.
What is BYU's record against Iowa State? 0-5?