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BYU football: Cougars have fared well of late vs. Big 12 opponents

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  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 7, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    It's BYU/Oklahoma or bust for the Big 12

    Texas A&M's move to the SEC ultimately would happen if Oklahoma stays put in the Big 12, but until that occurs eight of the remaining nine Big 12 schools will not waive their right to pursue litigation against the SEC and A&M, a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.

    If Oklahoma commits to the Big 12 and Texas A&M leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 is going to pursue BYU as a 10th member, according to the source. The source said there was strong interest from the Cougars prior to last week's comments from Oklahoma president David Boren that the Sooners were exploring their options. BYU, formerly of the Mountain West, is an independent in football and its other remaining sports compete in the West Coast Conference.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Sept. 7, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    The ball appears to be in Oklahoma's court to save college football from total mayhem.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Ou will stay, the big 12 will bring on more Texas teams, byu will not be saving any conference. You all underestimate the power of Texas politicians getting their fingers in this.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    One thing is clear, BYU is not going to be the savior of the Big 12. If the Big 12 does stay together it won't be including BYU. In order to keep Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12, you're going to need a much bigger fish than BYU to join the conference. If not, Oklahoma will go to the PAC 12 and Texas will go independent.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    BYU "fared well" by knocking out OU's quarterback, sending the team to a 7-5 record (it's worst under Bob Stoops).
    Everyone notes that the Texas game is winnable because Texas looks to be down again this year.

    Has BYU proven it can play in the Big 12? Scheduling OU and Texas on down years is lucky. You don't get lucky in conference play. If OU is down, Texas is up, or Mizzou is up, or OK State is up... BYU wouldn't dominate that league, by any means. Why give up independence and a contract with ESPN to finish 4th or 5th each year?

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    A lot of rock-sure opinions here - based on insider information, I suppose. The thing is, those who predict the demise of BYU football as we know it don't seem to recognize that BYU is exactly where they planned to be a year ago - football independent and otherwise with the WCC. If the Big-12 implodes, nothing changes. If the Big-12 invites BYU, then the Y will have to decide what to do, but they have choices. Or the Big-12 stays intact and no invite comes, and the Cougars stand pat with independence and the WCC, which was Plan A all along.

    Any thing else is unlikely speculation, but in no way do things get worse for the Cougars if things on their current course.

    For those who choose to see this as a horrible situation, I say - enjoy your smug condescension. True fans want to see their team play and play well. That part doesn't change under any of three scenarios.

  • Bo Diddley Tech SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    BYU will always be a decent football team and will fare well, just not the caliber of the Utes or most typical BCS teams. Yes, BYU did win an NC, can't take that away at all. However, the BCS bustin Utes beating Alabama had much more credibility and was more impressive, which lead to a BCS conference invite and will lead them into additional national prominence while BYU struggles with UT this week and Utes beat USC!!

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    Stay independent!! The Big 12 is the Titanic. Wait for the next boat.

    Better yet, let Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to the Big 12 and let Texas go independent, so they can keep their network. From there, convince Air Force to go independent to join Army and Navy. If this happened, the six independent schools could play each other in October and November. Now that would be awesome.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    Despite the baseless whiney opinions of the jealous naysayers on the hill, if Oklahoma and Texas commit to staying in the Big 12, the conference will survive, Texas A&M will leave for the SEC, and BYU will replace the Aggies in the Big 12.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    Bo Diddley Tech | 10:47 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011
    SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    BYU will always be a decent football team and will fare well, just not the caliber of the Utes or most typical BCS teams. Yes, BYU did win an NC, can't take that away at all. However, the BCS bustin Utes beating Alabama had much more credibility and was more impressive, which lead to a BCS conference invite

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    Bo, the Utes (and I'm happy for them) got lucky when Texas, and OK turned down the Pac last year, otherwise the Pac would've been 16 with TX, OK, OSU, Tx Tech, Tx A&M and CO and the Utes would still be in the MWC. The BCS wins had very little to do with the invite, otherwise CO wouldn't have been invited. They haven't been all that lately, though they have been historically. It is all about the TV sets, not the teams.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    the thing about BYU in the Big 12 is I doubt schools will fear BYU recruiting in their backyard as much. The LDS population isn't as great as in Big 12 states as it is in California, so they'll think it less likely to lose a recruit to BYU than they would to USC or Florida.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    Rational,

    Neither A&M or Colorado would go with Texas to any conference. The whole point of them leaving the Big 12 was to get away from Texas. That kind of blows up your theory of Utah lucking in to the PAC.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    Oh good - so THIS is the game that BYU has to win to prove to the Big 12 that they belong. Glad to know that. So the win against #3 OU wasn't enough.
    From what I read, if BYU does get in to the Big 12, do what you can to get out of the game against Iowa State.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:41 a.m.

    Conference talk aside, BYU had better play better this week than they did last week or else it could be a long day.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    It was unfortunate that hit ended Bradford's season. OU was on track to have a very good '09, losing Bradford cost them the year. Always want to see athletes play hard and hit hard, never want to see a player hurt.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Remember, as the tribune said it best, there are 64000 reasons to join the big12 if invited. If Oklahoma and Texas commit to stay on paper, BYU would be crazy not to go. Tom Holmoe still has to schedule 2 for 1 with Texas , ND and other big schools. With the exception of 2013, the home schedule is still bad. Give the home fans somebody to get excited about or Holmoe will start seeing LES becoming less and less full. The loyal home fans will only put up with so much before they quit paying the ticket prices. The home basketball schedule is pathetic.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Texas is not going independent without a BCS deal like Notre Dame. Likewise, Notre Dame is not joining a conference since they have an exclusive BCS deal already.
    The Big 12 is not going away as long as it has Texas and they will not lose their BCS AQ status.
    The BYU/OU game and this week's UT game are perfect timing for a Big 12 invite. Other schools may depart away from Texas but the Y should take the invite. It's like karma.

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    "although Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State is doing everything it can to prevent Texas A&M from leaving"

    The rest of the country is saying that Texas A&M *has left* the Big12.

    I went to public schools, but know enough to write that "...Baylor [...] and Iowa State ARE doing...".

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Honestly, I'd love to see Texas join BYU in the independent world. Two great programs with their own TV network. They would be setting a high bar for many programs. I've already heard many schools say they are jealous we both have our own network. Just get ND lined up with their own and the independent world will be looking great!

    Living in Big XII country, everyone is so sick of Texas dictating everything, which was a major reason for Nebraska leaving. The conference will continue talks of leaving until the evil grasp of Texas is gone.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Some Utah fans need to back off on the Utah BCS calibre hype. Utah had the good fortune of having a couple of great seasons and the Big 12 south deciding not to join the PAC 16 just before the latest conference reshuffling dance, otherwise the Utes would be in an even worse position than the Cougars, stuck in the MWC with nowhere to go.

    BYU has proven that they're an elite football program and deserve to be included in whatever upper-echelon incarnation of major college football that emerges.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    "Has BYU proven it can play in the Big 12? Scheduling OU and Texas on down years is lucky."

    Moderate, they didn't schedule those teams on down years. One of the wins vs OU was a bowl game, the other was a year many projected OU to compete for a NC. When BYU scheduled Texas this year, the longhorns were a top-10 team year after year. While it's debatable about how good those teams were, their scheduling was on the up and up.

    BYU has proven they can play, and beat, Big-12 teams. 8-3 since the 80's isn;t a huge "n", but it should be enough to convince people they belong.

    But it seems like some people will never get enough proof. Just like Utah has to prove themselves once more vs USC, just like Boise had to prove themselves once more vs Georgia, just like BYU will have to prove itself once more vs Texas. It doesn't end for these folks always needing a sign.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    The mothership is reporting that if Oklahoma commits to the Big 12 and Texas A&M leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 is going to pursue BYU as a 10th member and that "there was strong interest from the Cougars".

    If that happens it will be: So long WCC, thanks for nothing.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    The WCC has known from day 1 that BYU would leave the WCC if the Cougars were invited to join a BCS conference. BYU will play at least one season in the WCC, and it's possible that BYU could even leave some of their minor sports like tennis and women's soccer in the WCC as an associate member. Regardless, I'm sure BYU will offer a nice parting gift to the WCC, like agreeing to continue television some of their sports, like the WCC basketball tournament, on BYUtv.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Congrats from a true Ute fan to BYU's football program for even being considered to join the BIG 12. This shows the respect their football program has earned over a long period of time and they are being recognized. Although I must say, the Independent idea isn't looking as bad as I thought it would, they should probably consider trying it for a few years, especially considering the Big 12 looks like a sinking ship.

  • Chad S Derby, KS
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    BYU only joins the Big XII if the Big XII is willing to allow the current TV deal with ESPN and BYUtv to continue uninterrupted. Scheduling home games at LES has to be really the only plus to come from joining the Big XII, a conference that looks to be imploding before our eyes. Basketball schedules would improve as well, though the bottom of the Big XII is probably worse than the bottom of the MWC or WCC for that matter.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    Striker,

    Notre Dame does have their own Network. It is called NBC. They dont need to have their own network on a small TV station that no one knows about. NBC is a big name, everyone has that channel, and everyone knows Notre Dame.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    BO diddely tech I believe most Ute fans belittle BYU's NC because they played a mediocre Michigan Team in the Holiday bowl giving them and undefeated season, which the voters then gave BYU the national championship. Yet, those same Ute fans, continue to point out their two BCS games, yet fail to acknowledge that Utah beat a mediocre Michigan team, which helped them be unbeaten. Too many of the Ute Fans are looking through a glass darkly and fail to recognize the beam in their eyes while trying to point out a mote in BYU's eyes.
    Here is a quote concerning that Michigan team. "Rodriguez's first season was one of adjustment, with Michigan suffering its first losing season since 1967, and more losses (9) in a single season than in any other in the program's 129 year history."

    My question to you and other BYU haters is this? Why is Utah's undefeated season so glorious, so miraculous and so stellar when they beat a team that went 3-9 while BYU's season was nothing when they beat Michigan who had a 7-5 season and became NC.

    Sounds like a lot of pure hypocrisy to me on your part.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Chad S,

    The home football schedule is not the only thing that would improve if BYU were to join the Big XII. Their bowl opportunities would improve immensely as well. Right now BYU will play in the same lower tier bowl if they finish 11-1 or 6-6. An 11-1 record in the Big XII, though admittedly harder to achieve, gets you into a BCS bowl, and possibly even the NC game. But the biggest danger to BYU is if the Big XII implodes it will set off the super-conference arms race and BYU will be left behind and forced to play a majority of mid-major opponents from then on, especially in Provo, since the teams from super-conferences will play 9-10 conference games per year, and will not want to go on the road to play a tough non-conference opponent that they could quite possibly lose to.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Chad S

    If BYU joins the Big 12, they'll either become a full partner in the current television contract, or they'll keep their own ESPN contract until the next Big 12 television contract is negotiated. Either way, BYU will insist on keeping their rebroadcast rights for all BYU sports and the right to broadcast any home games not picked up by their Big 12 television partners.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Independence would be a VERY tough row to hoe for BYU in a super-conference landscape, especially if Notre Dame gives up its independence to join one of them (most likely the Big Ten). BYU would be stuck playing teams mostly from the WAC and C-USA, with maybe a couple of teams from the MWC. Meanwhile, their rivals to the north would be playing big name teams USC, ASU, Oregon, and possibly Oklahoma and Texas. This would be a disaster for BYU Football as attendance would gradually start to dwindle, and recruiting would take a big hit. BYU needs to do whatever it can to get into a BCS conference now. They will never get this close again. Holmoe needs to call the Oklahoma AD and do whatever he can to sell BYU and convince the Sooners to stay in the Big XII. They also need to make a big statement this weekend against the Longhorns. This game is the definition of a "money game" and Bronco needs to learn from Boise State that you have to win your money games.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Papa Smurf

    "They dont need to have their own network on a small TV station that no one knows about."

    BYUtv's "small" station is already available in 60 million homes, 15 million more than Versus, and no doubt is available in millions more homes than the PAC 12 network will ever be available in.

    Besides, every fan from an opposing team that plays BYU will quickly learn about the availability of BYUtv. BYU fans worldwide already know about it, and thousands of fans of BYU's opponents will be learning about BYUtv on a weekly basis.

    btw, replays of ND games aren't on NBC.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I love all the utes fans that think they are a national power now, because they are in the pac 12. You are still a regional team that has no draw outside of the state of utah. BYU on the other hand has fans all over the country and draws well everywhere they go. Don't kid yourselves. If Texas would have joined the pac like the pac wanted utah would be in the MWC and so would Boise st, BYU and TCU that is a pretty good conference right there. BYU is the front runner to join the big 12 because Notre Dame won't join and Arkansas is not going to leave the SEC.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    deductive reasoning,

    I dont think ND cares if there are replays later on of their games. True fans will watch the game while it is on, or DVR the game, and catch up to it live when they get home. Are all these Y fans going to go re watch a game like last years Utah St game where they got man handled? If you want to re watch the game over and over and over again, just DVR it. I know that AllJazoobie TV is in 60 million homes, but only about 10-12 million actually know that it is there, and if they are not a Y fan or a member of my church, they will not seek it out to watch BYU play. That is why Notre Dame has NBC, and a national following. Everyone stops on NBC on Saturdays to see who is playing. I doubt anyone other than the ones I stated will just STOP on Alljazoobie TV to watch a game. I do think that having your own network is a lot better than the TV they had in the MWC.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    "replays of ND games aren't on NBC."

    deductive:

    Rebroadcasts of Notre Dame home games are seen on Universal HD, the hi-def cable channel owned by NBC and available on virtually every cable and satellite system.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Baby ute,

    Clearly, you have no idea what it means to have your own station. BYU can not only show big games they've played, but fans can watch them over and over and over. Not everyone has the luxury of DVR. Not only that, but LDS people all over the world can tune into BYUtv and watch great shows, including conference live. I doubt Catholics can learn about the latest from the pope on NBC 24/7, or see their favorite Catholic shows, movies, news, culture, etc.

    Lame bash about the mtn. That only features sports. BYUtv captures everything an active LDS person cares about. That's something the Longhorn Network nor NBC produces. You can hate all you want, but BYUtv is an amazing feature for members of the LDS faith.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    MiP "But it seems like some people will never get enough proof."
    Sound like you have enough proof, so I am curious.
    BYU in the Big 12. Where do they finish in conference year after year?

  • Craiger PASCO, WA
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    An independent Texas would be awesome! One more quality opponent that would also be looking for Oct-Nov games to fill out their schedule. I'd love to see us playing ND, Navy and Texas (even occasionally Army) on a regular basis.

    As far as BYU needing to be a part of the "haves" in a super-conference world, Bronco said as much in a recent interview, also stating that we need to (continue) to prove our relevance on the field. Hopefully we can (continue) to do that this week! Beat Texas!!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Like I said, ND replays aren't shown on NBC. It doesn't matter who owns the channel, the only thing that matters is the availability of the channel. Log on to BYUtv dot com and you'll see dozens of past BYU games already available, with more and more being added every week. Does Universal HD have a quickly filling archive of past ND games and does it begin replaying ND games almost immediately after the live game ends? Could I watch replays of BYU's wins over Notre Dame in South Bend and in Provo, anytime?

    More importantly for Utah fans, will the Utes ever have such access to Utah games?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    Moderate

    "Where do they finish in conference year after year?"

    Where did they finish year after year in the MWC? In the WAC? Many places, but they averaged between first and second.

    Where would they finish in the Big XII, year after year? I'd say probably start with an average between second and third, trending up from there. Depends on who is in the conference.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Moderate

    Utah in the PAC X. Where do they finish in conference year after year?

    Lately, the Utes have been a 2nd or 3rd place finisher, but prior to 2003, the Utes regularly finished 4th, 5th, or even lower. Will Utah fans consider Utah's move to the PAC X a bust if the Utes become perennial 6th or 7th place finishers?

    For a team that's only won 6 WAC/MWC championships in the last 60 years, I wouldn't be too all-fired-up confident that the Utes will ever be regular conference favorites in the PAC 12, and likely never conference favorites in a Texas/Oklahoma dominated division of the PAC 16.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    "More importantly for Utah fans, will the Utes ever have such access to Utah games?"

    deductive:

    We learned how to operate VCR's 30+ years ago, so DVR's are no problem today. And for what it's worth, I downloaded the '09 Sugar Bowl from iTunes.

    It cracks me up that you think internet streaming is the great answer to the three people on the planet who are eager to watch the cougies lose to Utah State on '10. Of course, maybe there is another market, for all the Y's video replay experts to hone their skills by endlessly watching that last great victory over San Diego State.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Did you have a DVR in the 70's, 80's, 90's? Of course, since Utah football was practically non-existent before 2003, it's probably a good thing there isn't an easily accessible video record of Utah's past.

    Concerning the present, however. How about that handful of California Utah fans? Have any of them even seen the Montana State game?

    What few Utah fans live outside the Wasatch Front are feeling very left out of Utah's first season in the PAC 12.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    "Utah in the PAC X. Where do they finish in conference year after year?"

    That's the problem with BYU fans... BYU is a national program, but the fans don't know it yet. For SO long, they have compared themselves to Utah, they can't NOT do that.

    How Utah succeeds or fails in the Pac 12, has NOTHING to do with how BYU will do as an independent or how they would do in the Big 12. Let it go! Accept that you have a national program now! The nation doesn't care about cherry-picked stats against the Utes.

    "How would BYU do?" is a valid question to ask. If the realistic answer (i.e. not Y Grad's) is "BYU would finish 4th or 5th every year", then it would be foolish for BYU to give up what it has just to join an AQ conference.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Moderate

    You're talking in circles.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Sept. 11, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    What is BYU's record against Iowa State? 0-5?