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  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe needs to read up on General Sherman:

    "[We] will not accept if nominated and will not [play] if [s]elected."

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Wise choice by BYU to remain silent on all of the speculation until there's something concrete to report.

    BYU is in a very strong position to sit back and wait until an attractive opportunity presents itself.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    BYU should look at this as a major opportunity to get future games scheduled AS AN INDEPENDENT with the remaining members of the Big12 as they all may be having a spot to fill on their schedule soon. I am excited about the game we had against Oklahoma, and the upcoming series with Texas. I would love to see BYU play more of the B12 teams in the future.

    I hope BYU stays the course as an independent, and was grateful that for the time being it is what they are doing. They have all the bargaining chips at the moment and are able to decide what course and schedule best suits them. I love that!

  • gocoogz Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    I for one think this is dumb. Why issue a statement. Just sit back and see what happens and let others speculate. BYU's loyalty to the WCC may look like a disinterest in the BIG 12. Stop trying not to offend 8 WCC institutions and start worrying about the 64000+ supporters who support you week in and week out and who ultimately pay your salaries. We are the ones who will have to sit through a dreadful home schedule, and watch San Fransisco come to town in Basketball. We have been her for years. The WCC has been in our life for 1 year. If the Big 12 offers and BYU declines I will be dissappointed more than I can say. I think making these disinterested statements only hurts our chances. Shut up and take notes from Chris Hill and put BYU out there. Don't play hard to get. This was a stupid statement to make in my opinion.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    As a Ute fan I think it would be great to have two BCS schools in the state. Although I feel the Big 12 is far better than independence, that assumes the big 12 stays in tact and that is where the rub is.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    I agree that BYU should not beg like SMU, but I hope they are showing interest behind the scenes. It would be a great opportunity, and if it passes by because BYU refuses to politic, Holmoe will go down in history as the guy who let BYU miss out on a major conference re-alignment right before the whole landscape changes. There will be no room for independents if the super-conferences happen.

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Funny how local media is turning this into a circus act??? When rumor swirled Utah may be gingo to the Pac-10, you heard it on ESPN.com and on ESPN TV, CNNSI,com, MSNBC.com, and USA Today, to name a few national media outlets. I haven't seen or heard anything about BYU going to the Big 12 from any national media outlet.

  • Scott Hall WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    I think the statement was to ease the influx of media inquiries. And I wouldn't worry about offending the Big 12 -- I'm sure if BYU is in conversations with the Big 12, they have talked with them about how they will proceed (including releasing these types of vanilla statements). We just have to be patient and sit back and wait. That's the tough part.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    I don't think it has been in the long term plans for BYU to remain as an independent. I think it is a carefully crafted "vanilla" statement since BYU is different than SMU and isn't crawling out of the still smoldering nuclear crater of the NCAA death penalty imposed back in 1987-88. SMU has without question crossed some of their C-USA partners, and BYU will do what they can to not do similar to their WCC partners even though this is all happening much earlier than Tom Holmoe or anyone in the BYU administration thought a year ago. All assumptions in the press in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri is that BYU is the likely replacement. Even the beat reporters at ESPN, David Ubben and Andrea Adelson are now projecting BYU to become part of the Big 12. Despite what some BYU disliking naysayers try to say, it will probably be a done deal by next week.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    There is no reason to not go to the Big 12. What's the worst that could happen? The conference dissolves and they go independent again? No question Big 12 is better than independence.

  • VA_Ute New Bern, NC
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    Reading between the lines the statement says this:

    Dear fans, we don't have an invitation yet from the Big 12. Hey Big 12 we will consider joining but can we get the show on the road so we can concentrate on the season? Hey WCC, we respect you but can you blame us if we take an offer this good? We'll let you know when we join.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    ESPN just reported on sportscenter that BYU is the leading candidate to replace Texas A&M. They also stated that its unlikely that the Big 12 will look at in-state teams such SMU or TCU because they want to expand to another Market. They also mentioned Pittsburgh and Louisville as candidates but they dont see either Arkansas or Notre Dame being interested. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out, I personally hope that BYU accepts the invite if and when it officially comes provided the Big 12 is stable and allows BYU to keep its current tv deal.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    In saying what was said, BYU said nothing. They neither confirmed nor denied. That is a great stand and anyone who takes offense to such a statement of nothing should go back to the drawing board to see where they are going wrong in the world chest deep in petty.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    Re: CougarOnTheProwl

    The Big 12 has a long term deal with Fox Sports. There is no way to keep both BYUs tv deal and the Big 12 tv deal.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    I wonder if the Big12 is going to have the decency to give Weber State a courtesy call and inform them they are not going to be invited to join the Big12 at this time.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    BYU will need some assurance that the conference will stay intact before they will consider a move. However, all indications are that Texas and Oklahoma are not moving. With Texas and Oklahoma together, the conference will remain intact.

    Texas just launched their network and Oklahoma just sunk $5 million into developing the Sooner network. BYUtv will fit right in. No other conference will allow them to have their own TV network.

    There is more speculation in Texas that the Big 12 will pick up 3 teams and go back to 12. The conference championship in Cowboy Stadium is worth megabucks. The addition of three teams will give some confidence to the Cougars that the conference will stay together.

    I think you'll see some type of concession, like BYU will play in the WCC for the next two years and football will move next year. I hope we can keep the Notre Dame games on the schedule.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    Rico,

    the Longhorn Network is affiliated with ESPN. BYU's network is independent (there's that word) of ESPN. Their games are on ESPN, but the reruns are on BYUtv. Trust me, the ESPN contract has a clause dealing with the Cougars becoming part of a BCS conference.

    Antelope Valley, you must've used all of your internet time reading and posting here, because national outlets and outlets in other states have been covering the possibility of BYU to the Big-12 every since A&M was first rumored to be leaving. Whether than invitation comes or is accepted are different matters.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    Bronco has said that being independent is more in line with the mission of the Church. I agree. If BYU joins any BCS conference then it will lose at least one fan. So its me or the $billions - take your choice. I wore blue during the week of the game with UGA while teaching classes for UGA and never offended anyone. One of the UGA players told me that he visited BYU with his teammates- the Oats boys. Of course they all felt pity for me before the game. Things changed as the game progressed however. Two ladies were sitting behind me and close to the end of the game, she said to her friend "that just can't be those little boys who ride around on bicycles out there". BYU earned nothing but respect from the UGA fans. It was a very positive experience. Stay independent and hold to the standards.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    I wonder how quickly the tune will change if BYU gets into the BIG 12 and ends up in the lower end of the conference in both FB and BB every year. Some fans just seem to think that BYU will continue to win as they have in the past. It wont happen.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    Watch everyone squirm.

    Wait! Independence is better!

    Wait! Big 12 is bigger than Oprah!

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    @Outsideview

    Your view must be REALLY outside. BYU has already proved that it can compete with teams in the Big 12 conference (not to mention the Pac 12.) Yes, playing Texas and OU every year will be tough, but then that's the point. Who else is BYU really going to struggle with in football? Kansas? K-state? Baylor? It's a good fit for BYU and they will compete very well.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico: The FOX-Sports deal with the Big 12 is for 2nd tier rights. ESPN/ABC still retains 1st tier rights, and 3rd tier rights are for individual school networks like the Longhorn Network or BYUtv.

    As for the WCC I'm certain they will benefit from BYU, even if it is for just a year. Look for the Big 12 and BYU to give them a boat load of OOC games in November-December 2012 if BYU doesn't stay there another year. It was signed as a short term deal (5 years max) and becomes null and void should BYU receive an accpetable BCS-AQ league invitation.

    As for the football 2012 schedule, there will have to be no doubt some adjustments, but after looking at how my season tickets were priced this year for the WAC dregs of NCAA division-1/FBS (&FCS...Idaho State) I'll gladly take Okalhoma or even Iowa State and Baylor compared to Idaho, New Mexico State etc...

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    gocoogz

    There are two very good things about your statement...

    1. It is your opinion and not the opinion of 64,000 fans.

    2. It is wonderful you are not the athletic director or someone of importance in the BYU organization...we would be in trouble.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    gocoogz: The team, and to a lesser extent, the fans, need to know that the school administration do not want them to focus on conjecture. They want the team to focus on what is at hand. If the team is worrying or thinking about what it would be like to be a part of the Big 12 and are focusing on that, they will not be focused 100% on winning games in their independence status, which is where they are at right now. Stop trying to cause discord! I do not care what you think or feel is best for BYU. What is best for BYU right now is independence, so let it go.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    If the landscape of college football is truly moving toward Superconferences of 16 teams, then BYU has absolutely no need to rush.

    What will the Pac12 do? What 4 teams will they pick up in the western half of the US? What will the Big 12 do at 9 teams, needing 7 more?

    I really don't seen any need for concern or any need to rush on BYU's part. The Big 12 needs to do something to maintain face, and that may mean adding Lousiville to get back to 10 teams. BYU can meanwhile sit back until next Summer and see what other moves are in the works.

    The SEC is not done yet! They will be going after some teams from the ACC and possibly Missouri. The Big 10 is also not done yet and will continue to work on ND and will look at Big East teams.

    If BYU is patient they will end up in a great situation. The teams who keep the cards in their hands right now, rather than play them (out of fear) will have the advantage when the actual earthquake happens in the next year or two.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    If the Big XII loses Texas A&M and wants to lure Notre Dame into the fold, it'd need to lure three other schools at the same time to make ND feel like it's joining a top-notch 12-team conference that'll be around a long time. It'd need to be a BCS conference that has the possibility of growing to 14 or 16, rather than being fodder for other conferences' growth to those numbers.

    Who could those three other schools be? The only mid-major possible in that scenario is BYU. It's the only one with enough cache and wide-spread fan base to be viable. And, with its own BYUtv network, ND and Texas could both be comfortable keeping theirs.

    SMU and Houston bring nothing to the table except for recruiting competition for Texas, Baylor, and Texas Tech, so no go there.

    Arkansas isn't likely interested. Are Louisville and Pitt good enough for ND? BYU would be (re: their future games scheduled with BYU shows they're interested).

    Slim pickins for the Big XII to expand with. Seems like it's a dead conference. ND won't join a dead conference.

    Gonna be interesting.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    So when so we receive the first Big 12 > PAC 12? Probably not until an invite. Until then, Independence is still better?

    I wish D News would pill the BYU fans.

    Which would you choose. Independence or Big 12 - 3? My bet would go with the latter.

  • Whiteshoes Hurricane, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    There is no point to commenting on the invitation to the Big12 since there has been no offer. Of course, the media will hype this. Give it time. Nearly every media outlet list BYU as a strong candidate as well as quotes Big12 officials as confirming that the Cougars are a likely choice.

    As for the BYUtv, ESPN, etc....deals can be restructured.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    If the Pac-12 should ever want to expand again, and it likely will when the SEC and others do, then who can it get in moving to 14 or 16? If he Big XII remains in tact, and doesn't take BYU to replace Texas A&M, the Pac-12 is stuck with elevating mid-majors.

    The Pac-12's only recourse is to preemptively strike the Bix XII by luring away Texas, Oklahoma, et al. But that depends on whether Texas and Oklahoma would be interested. Big depends!

    So, where does that leave BYU's option with the Bix XII should an offer come? Best bet is to sit tight, play hard to get, and see where the superconference landscape lands. Could even end up in the Pac-12!

    Of all current mid-majors, BYU has the most to offer any upscaling BCS conference.

    Or, BYU could just remain independent and sue any conference that tries to deny them October/November games (anti-trust, or something like it). BYU doesn't sue, so who knows what they'll do?

    Exposure? Is it really all about that? Being in a BCS conference doesn't GUARANTEE that. Not in any way, shape or form.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    Stay Independent!!

    The Big 9 has lost Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M. Yes, Texas and Oklahoma remain, but the conference is gutted. And, will Texas and Oklahoma really remain? They hold all the cards and could change course on a dime. BYU would look pretty dumb at that point. Then what? Conference USA? Just stay put. BYU has a good thing as an independent.

    I like the direction of playing schools all throughout the nation. The schedule is building (Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, Texas ...) and we will see great schedules. Yes, we have Idaho and San Jose State on the schedule, but those issues will go away in the next couple of years. The schedule will get meatier. Stay patient our fellow friends in happy valley. The schedule will improve for the home games.

    My ultimate wish list is that the Big 12 will implode and that Texas and Oklahoma will go independent. I would also like to see Air Force go independent to join its military buddies. If this happened, having Notre Dame, Army, Navy, BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, and Air Force all as independents would be sweet. A built-in schedule would be born.

  • John Moore Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    I cannot figure out a 16 team conference.

    In a 12 team conference, each team plays 5 division games, and 3 non-division games, for 8 conference games, leaving room for 3 to 4 non-conference games. This schedule allows you to play each team in the conference at least once at home and once on the road every 4 years, which is important for recruiting.

    In a 16 team conference, each team plays 7 division games, and even if they play only 2 non-division games for 9 conference games, they leave room for only 2 to 3 non-conference games. But this schedule means that to make it through the entire 8 non-division schools, you only play them once every 4 years, and only once every 8 years in each stadium. In order to play home and away every four years, it would take 4 non-division games, for a total of 11 conference games. So say goodbye to either conference recruiting or the non-conference schedule (and so say goodbye to non-AQs being relevant at all).

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    And why are we even considering canning our ESPN deal? No BCS team can claim they will be on ESPN 22 times over the next two years. No one! Except BYU.

    We have a good thing Cougar fans!

    Stay independent!!

  • John Moore Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    I cannot figure out a 16 team conference.

    In a 12 team conference, each team plays 5 division games, and 3 non-division games, for 8 conference games, leaving room for 3 to 4 non-conference games. This schedule allows you to play each team in the conference at least once at home and once on the road every 4 years, which is important for recruiting.

    In a 16 team conference, each team plays 7 division games, and even if they play only 2 non-division games for 9 conference games, they leave room for only 2 to 3 non-conference games. But this schedule means that to make it through the entire 8 non-division schools, you only play them once every 4 years, and only once every 8 years in each stadium. In order to play home and away every four years, it would take 4 non-division games, for a total of 11 conference games. So say goodbye to either conference recruiting or the non-conference schedule (and so say goodbye to non-AQs being relevant at all).

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    In a recent interview that discussed some of the details of BYU going independent, Tom Holmoe said, "And it is hard to do business with people that tell you one thing, and sign their name on it, and then don't do it. It is hard to do business with those people. " That was in response to what happened with Nevada and Fresno St. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what about the WCC? What about the dozens of games scheduled for 2012-2017? I, for one would rather see BYU remain independent than get BCS access through hypocrisy.

    To my fellow Cougar fans- stop the obsession with the FOOLS GOLD that is the Big12 in its current state. Let's see how things shake out in the next few years. The 2011 and 2012 home schedules will be rough years for locals, but it will get better.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    The statement came because people want the sports office to field interviews to ask the same question that has to do with another question that has not been asked. This is their way of saying, when there is news we can talk. I doubt BYU would jump at any offer right now anyway. They might after a year or two on the outside if it doesn't turn out well for them, but it will turn out well for them so what is the point.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    What ever. I'm looking forward to the season and trust BYU in whatever decisions are made.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:22 a.m.

    Independence is not the long term answer!! If the Big 12 can make some assurances as to its stability, and if BYU can keep its TV deal, they should accept. Holmoe has already been talking about how hard it is to schedule as an independent. Big 12 = much easier path to BCS. Only down side is they may have to drop some of their future scheduled games.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:30 a.m.

    Flynn, You're just wrong. Holmoe was referring to the MWC who told them they would be able to rebroadcast their own games, and then didn't allow it. Had nothing to do w/Fresno St and Nevada.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:47 a.m.

    There is no talk about BYU joining the Big 12 other than by wanton Y fans hoping for some relevance in this world. The buzz that many people are talking about is the U of Houston joining the Big 12. Also,there is talk of not having anyone join at all.......certainly not adding BYU. They don't fit in in this conference.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 1, 2011 6:09 a.m.

    Big-12 will become very "big"....as in big mid-majors after Texas and OK leave.

    A&M leaves first. Then, BYU will join.
    Texas and OK will leave.
    SUU, SMU, UH will join.

    Big-12 will be Big-mid-majors.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    I love watching the u fans squirm because of the possibility of byu going to the big 12. What would they have to crow about, no longer we are bcs and you aren't. Scared to death that the big 12 might invite. Funny!!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 1, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    Here is what will happen.
    BYU will go to the BIG 12.
    The exit of Texas A&M will lead to the dissolution of the Big 12.
    The SEC, PAC-12, and BIG Ten will pick up the pieces
    BYU will be left behind.

    Just say no.

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    @ Go Coogz

    What is being said in public is not what is being said behind closed doors. This was a smart to come out and say this. It curbs the questions that they would otherwise get everyday, every hour. BYU is smart, the B12 is smart... they are working behind closed doors. No worries!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Of course the Big 12 is talking to BYU. We would make any conference better.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    While I am not so sure I would want BYU to go to the Big12, I like independence, I LOVE watching the ute trolls panic over this. Posts by those trolls are hilarious to read and make reading each new article worthwhile even if no new news is included.

    LOL!

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 1, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    I am a big Longhorn fan and supporter. After reading this article, I will not be surprised if the Big XII does not extend an invitation to BYU.

    The Big XII will only go after schools who have not already announced publicly their intention not to join the conference if an invitation were extended. BYU has already made such announcements to the media and it will now be a waste of time for the Big XII to consider BYU for membership.

    I still have great respect for your program. Good luck with being independent.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Re: UT4Big12

    I'm not exactly not confused by reading your comments. Double negatives are fun though, aren't they?

    When and where has BYU stated that they will not entertain offers to join the Big XII, or any other conference for that matter?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    mgr63 said,

    "There is no talk about BYU joining the Big 12 other than by wanton Y fans hoping for some relevance in this world."

    I guess that lead story yesterday on SportsCenter about Texas A&M leaving the Big XII and BYU being a leading candidate to replace them was just a figment of my wanton imagination!

    Or, maybe wanton Y fans have infiltrated the studios of ESPN in Bristol, CT and are now in control of the "Worldwide Leader"! It all makes sense, you know, considering BYU was able to sign such a lucrative long-term contract with ESPN that they didn't deserve!!! Darn BYU fans hacking the brains of otherwise reasonably thinking sports experts/analysts!!

  • TamaSamoa Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 1, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    It's hilarious to read all the speculations from the trolls and the fans. I'm sure BYU will do what's in the best interest of the institution....

    Now let's not dwell on this, but enjoy some football.

    Good luck Cougars!

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 1, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    @nakedtruth,

    It is already news in this part of the country that BYU wants to cherish its identity as an independent a la Notre Dame. Also, there was mention that BYU wants to maintain its loyalty to the WCC.

    In the past, I read articles at this website that suggested BYU was not interested in joining another conference at the moment.

    BTW, in my previous comment, I had no intention of using double negatives. I am sure that most who read my comment would have understood me to say that I would not be surprised if the Big XII decided to go with another team to invite for membership. As it stand now, BYU is far outside the Big XII footprint and traveling costs would be an issue.

    As for those Ute fans who post at this website, you should consider yourselves lucky for the Pac 10 invitation. The Pac 10 only invited you to save face after Texas (and the rest of the Big XII South Division) turned down the invitation.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 1, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    @nakedtruth,

    It is already news in this part of the country that BYU wants to cherish its identity as an independent a la Notre Dame. Also, there was mention that BYU wants to maintain its loyalty to the WCC.

    In the past, I read articles at this website that suggested BYU was not interested in joining another conference at the moment.

    BTW, in my previous comment, I had no intention of using double negatives. I am sure that most who read my comment would have understood me to say that I would not be surprised if the Big XII decided to go with another team to invite for membership. As it stand now, BYU is far outside the Big XII footprint and traveling costs would be an issue.

    As for those Ute fans who post at this website, you should consider yourselves lucky for the Pac 10 invitation. The Pac 10 only invited you to save face after Texas (and the rest of the Big XII South Division) turned down the invitation.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Notre Dame isn't joining since they already have a sweet BCS deal as an independent. BYU has nothing from the BCS. Carpe Diem - Sieze the Day. The WCC knows they are just a stepping stone. Hello Big 12 Pleeze!

    I want BYU to be in the Big 12 before the Utes take on USC next week. Pleeze.

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    It seems we are getting alot of the same type of rumors when the PAC 10 was expanding. And for the same reasons I believe we will not get invited to the BIG 12. The LDS church connection and no playing on Sundays.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 1, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    I don't get the talk of BYU would not fit in the Big 12 due to travel.
    TCU joined the BIg East. They are going to rack up a lot of miles there.

    And what about Hawaii?

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Sunday is not an issue with football and basketball. I don't know about the Big 12, but since the Dallas Mavericks don't play at home on Sundays (like the Jazz)I think any conference can work that out too. The only PAC-10 basketball games in 2010 were non-conference and were choosen by the schools.
    Can we keep Women's soccer and volleyball with the WCC if Sunday is an issue?

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Sept. 1, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    If BYU leaves the WCC for the Big 12, everyone will call them hypocrites. If BYU passes on the Big 12 and remains loyal to the WCC, they will be called arrogant and foolish. BYU cannot win in this scenario. It's too bad the NCAA can't step in and dissolve all conferences, reorganize them based on geography, and institute a playoff system.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 1, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Wow, I am impressed with some of the BYU fans at this website! You bring up some interesting points in your comments.

    BTW, the Big XII does not discriminate against any church-affiliated school. When the University of Texas was a member of the Southwest Conference, there were 3 member schools with church affiliation (Baylor, SMU, TCU). In the current Big XII membership, Baylor is the only private school. LDS church connection would not be a reason for discriminating against BYU for membership in the Big XII. I believe the Big XII is looking for a school that has academic and athletic integrity and BYU certainly meets those requirements. Having a large fan base would also be important. At Texas home games, it is not uncommon to see at least 100,000 fans in the stadium.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Sept. 2, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Rumors heating up that OU will push for the Pac-16. Fantastic timing for Utah, if that happened last year they would have been left out. Looks like BYU will get to try independence long-term (should be OK as long as the super-conferences don't happen, but long term, I am officially worried if the Pac-16 forms with no BYU).

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 2, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Assistant to the regional Mgr63, what color is the sky in your world of denial. EVERYONE involved is talking about BYU joining the BIG 12. If that puts a major dent in your self esteem, then I'm sorry for you. But time to face reality. BYU has a great program with great tradition. They are respected, especially by the BIG 12 because of their record against the conference.

  • Dr Rosenrosen Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 2, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    It is funny to see the Ute hysteriasts hit the panic button because they thought they were so special getting invited to the Pac. It was their self deluded badge of legitimacy and superiority to BYU. And now that BYU is being courted by an AQ (a better one than the Pac I might add) Their whole world is crumbling around them. Step away from the ledge Ute trolls, life is still worth living. I promise.