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  • CKS007 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    Great, now BYU, Air Force and Louisville can join the Big 12.

  • mcdugall Layton, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Great, now BYU, Air Force and Louisville can join the Big 12.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    BYU, stay independent!

    Watch the fall of the mighty BCS start.

  • jazz123 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Good, now hopefully BYU can finally get an invite to a BCS conference. I would love to see BYU play Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas in football and basketball every year.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    the Big 12 is done, if it remains BYU will not be invited...Trust me I live in what was once Big 12 country. BYU is better served staying away from Texas and remaining independent.

  • ppbrittain HILLSBORO, MO
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    BYU, come on down! Look forward to seeing you in the XII in 2012!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    I don't think that this will set off another major round of conference re-alignment. The BIG 12 will likely look for a 10th team for next year but I don't think they will add more until 2013 or 14. I also believe that the only way the superconference scenario will come to pass is if a couple of the top conferences can raid another one like the big 12 or the Big East and each take some of their teams.
    Some big hurdles are 1. Money: Conference TV deals and revenue sharing will have to go through major overhauls, probably in more than one conference at the same time. Or the conference teams will have to realize that their share will be smaller until a current contract expires.
    2. Each current BcS conference currently has a couple of members who do not deserve to be there. There are also several teams who are not there but deserve to be.
    3. The BCS will have to either go through a major overhaul or disband in favor of some other governing body. A playoff is inevitable. I think the NCAA should step in, blow up the BcS, and take over.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    BYU in the Big 12? Watch all the Ute fans squirm with denial and disbeleif! :-)

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Mizzou, your move.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    BYU will demand a guarantee that Texas and Oklahoma will remain in the Big 12 for at least the next five years, before BYU will accept an invitation to join the Big 12. The Cougars will also expect to retain rights to rebroadcast BYU games on BYUtv and no Sunday play. It's possible BYU could move football to the Big 12 in 2012, and then gradually move some, but not necessarily all, of their other sports from the WCC to the Big 12.

    BYU could keep its contract with ESPN until a new Big 12 contract is negotiated. BYU will join the Big 12 as full member from day one.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    The panic meter on the hill just hit "CRITICAL"!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    anti BCS.

    Utah joined a stable conference. The Big 12-2 is not.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    BYU, please join the Big12! Most UTE fans want BYU to join the Big12.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Snooze. Enough with the hype over BYU joining a conference, it's not going to happen, at least not for the next 5 years or more.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    There is no question now that A&M is leaving. There is no question that BYU is the "most likely" candidate (and not just in Utah-that is what everyone is saying).
    The question remains-does BYU want to accept a possible invitation?? If not, I doubt we will ever hear about it. A&M didn't announce they were leaving without full knowledge that the SEC would take them. The Big 12 will never announce an invitation without knowing full well what the result of that invitation will be. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason (BYU just says no, there is no good way to leave the WCC, TV contracts are not negotiable, Sunday play, many other possible reasons) we will hear only about an invite to somebody else and the Ute trolls will start mocking...

  • redandwhite Park City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    BYU joining bcs conference would be awesome provided it would be stable. Utah vs BYU would be great for both teams. Utah joining Pac 12 was incredible and so would BYU joining big 12! Both teams have deserved this for some time my only regret is they are not in the same conference. Good luck BYU hope things work out for you guys. Go Utes!!

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    It's a pipedream, but if I were BYU I wouldn't join the Big 12 except under the following scenario:

    1-Notre Dame, BYU and a third school (Louisville, AFA, Houston?) join the B12 in football only...ND keeps its other sports in the Big East and BYU's other sports stay in the WCC, avoiding Sunday conflict issues with the Big 12 and honoring BYU's recently made WCC commitments...if B12 implodes, BYU can quickly/easily resume the life of a football independent;
    2-Big 12 cleans up its bylaws/contractual mess, and adopts even revenue distribution among its members (UT and OU gradually give up their higher percentages over 3 years). Unsure how this works with 2 extra football members but I'm sure the members can find a fair solution;
    3-BYU retains BYUtv broadcast rights, and ESPN rights where not in conflict with any Big 12 network.
    4-Pigs learn to fly...

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Before you Cougar fans start buying BIG 12 tee shirts...there is still the fact of the matter of not playing on Sundays...or RELIGIOUS limitations!!!

    Second, is the WCC going to allow you leave the conference without penalty?

    Third, and it has been said, will BYU and ESPN be able to re-broadcast games on their own network....Or should I say, will TEXAS allow you the same viewing rights you have as an independent!

    I personally hope this brings wide-spread change to college football. Sad to say, all of this is happening, beacause the BCS doesn't want to include the MWC, WAC, or C-USA...

  • belgie Tualatin, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority has it right. Assuming the Big 12 can't get ND or Arkansas, then they need BYU more than BYU needs them. I would be shocked if they are not already talking (in fact, I'm pretty sure they are.) If BYU doesn't join the Big 12, it won't be because the Big 12 didn't ask. It will be because BYU isn't going to fold like a chair like Utah did for the PAC1.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    What happens if BYU joins the Big XII and then more teams leave? What happens if BYU doesn't join and then everything moves to super conferences and BYU is left out? I think the best possible course of action is to make sure that if and when they join the Big XII, other teams join as well, and they get assurances from every team in the Big XII that they aren't leaving, with big penalties in place if they do, so they don't get burned by some Big XII teams like they did by Boise State, Fresno State, and Nevada.

    I wish the NCAA would step in and just make brand new conferences, with all the big and small programs spread out evenly and a playoff system. What happens when we have four big super conferences, and two of them think they are better than everybody else? Will they start raiding the other two for their best teams so they can make two super-duper conferences? Will this eventually lead to one giant super-dupity-duper conference? Where's the end of all of this?

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    The only way the big 12 could be saved is if Notre Dame joins. If ND, then I imagine a few others- Louisville, Pitt, Arkansas, BYU would also want to join- but it's not gonna happen.

    If the Big 12 want to add BYU, it should be a gradual transition- 2-4 Big 12 FB and 4-8 Big 12 Bball games a year over a 4-5 year period. This way, when the Big 12 fails, BYU can still fill it's schedule with some good match-ups.

    Jumping onto a sinking ship is never a good idea. We should let Tom do his job, and over time the SJSU's and ISU's will disappear from the schedule.

    If super-conferences start to form- they won't last long. Oklahoma/OK St don't want to be part of the PAC, and the Big 12 under some other name will re-emerge where Texas doesn't run the table.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    The Big 12 is a much better football conference than the PAC 12, and BYU replacing TAMU will make the conference even stronger.

    BCS Championships
    Big 12 - 2
    PAC 12 - 0

    BCS Championship Games
    Big 12 - 2-4
    PAC 12 - 0-1

    BYU vs TAMU (during the Bronco era)
    BYU - 56-21; four Top 25 finishes
    TAMU - 40-35; one Top 25 finish; 3 losing seasons

    As far as stability goes; BYU won't accept an invitation to the Big 12 without a guarantee that Texas and Oklahoma will remain in the the Big 12 for at least another five years.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Yes, we are, no we are not, maybe we are, perhaps, looking into it, now we aren't, this is not true, yes it is true, nothing to say. Just chose one of the previous statements and you might be right on any given day.

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Is BYU invited to Big-12?

    Big-12 is a BCS and BYU is a mid-major...I don't see the match

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    SLC BYU Fan:

    "BYU in the Big 12? Watch all the Ute fans squirm with denial and disbeleif [sic]!"

    Denial, huh...said the "Boyd K. Packer" conspiracy theorist. You haven't been invited. And even if you DO receive an invitation, it'll be to a crumbling conference bowed and beholden to Bevo, and one who makes significantly less money than the Pac-12. So what is there for us to squirm over, or deny?

    If you're looking for a sample of squirming and denial, look no further to your OWN fanbase who have been posting nonsense for over a year now about how: Utah was never wanted, Utah will be a Pac-12 bottom-feeder, nobody outside of Utah has ever heard of the Utes, Pac-12 fans are upset that Scott invited Utah and CU rather than remain at 10 teams...

    ...but playing an ESPN WAC schedule, and earning a fraction of the Pac-12's media package is extraordinary.

    Talk about "squirm" and "denial".

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    a&m has barely been better than Baylor over the Big XII conference years. They leave as the little brother to become the ugly stepchild of the SEC. It is amusing that a&m has one good year (not great by Texas standards) and they think the world should revolve around them. Hope they enjoy the 15 minutes of fame, they are almost up.

    As for all of the gloom & doom regarding the survival of the Big XII, the same people expected UT & OU to jump last year to the PAC 10. The Big XII will continue to survive with UT, OU, OSU, TCU and company. Hookem!!!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Mid-Major Ute homer

    "Big-12 is a BCS and BYU is a MAJOR INDEPENDENT...I don't see the match"

    Take off your crimson-colored glasses and it might help you to see reality:

    BYU is a national brand, legacy program, former national champion, perennial Top 25 team, with an historical 4-0 record against the big dogs of the Big 12 - Texas and Oklahoma.

    At least BYU will be joining the Big 12 based on the excellence of its sports programs and national fan base, rather than some bogus "research" university criteria that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    Why do some of you BYU fans think U fans would be nervous about BYU going to the Big 12? Most of us have been expecting some sort of move like that for a while.

    The big question is whether or not BYU would go to the Big 12 as a football only school. The other sports in the Big 12 play on Sunday. If the Big 12 will take BYU's football team and allow the other teams to remain in the WCC then it would work out fine.

    If not, BYU would either have to convince the Big 12 to stop Sunday play, or, respectfully decline the invite.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Cougs should join if invited. I think the Big 12 will add 2 other teams to go up to 12. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for the super conference 16 teams. This is the only way the Big 12 would remain stable over the long term.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    BYU now has the luxury of sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle before deciding whether to accept an invitation to the Big 12, or not.

    If the conditions are right, I expect BYU to immediately join the Big 12 in football, with possibly some delay in bringing BYU's other sports to the Big 12, in order to be fair to the WCC. BYU might even decide to keep women's soccer and a few other sports in the WCC.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Here is one Ute fan who thinks BYU ought to seek a guarantee from UT and Oklahoma before makign the move. Cougar fans, you have it REALLY good right now as an indy. I would make sure the big 12 is stable before jumping ship.

  • BWhineU Not San Diego, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    @BlueKoog

    BYU now is like a Lenovo onwed by a China company --not the quality of a Lenovo owned by IBM

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    Why would there be "panic" on the Hill as some of you have suggested? I thought Utah was no longer part of your thoughts. I also thought BYU liked Independence. From most of these posts Independence was the backup plan to a BCS invite that never came, not BYU's first option. Oooops. Now BYU jealousy is coming out. No longer are you hiding behind the "I like Independence more, anyway" comments.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    uteBusters said:

    "NightOwlAmerica

    The Big 12 is a much better football conference than the PAC 12, and BYU replacing TAMU will make the conference even stronger."

    Whatever. Its not just about football. The Pac 12 has more NCAA titles in all sports that any other conference.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    BYU is not in consideration for Big XII membership.

    There is too much local pull to get Arkansas, SMU, TCU, or UH into the league. Then, there is the contingency that wants to get ASU and UA to join the Big XII.

    BYU is isolated in the mountain west. Most Big XII schools want to keep current geographics, and not take on the travel time and expense.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    utesovertide

    Whether to play a conference tournament Thu-Sat or Fri-Sun is of small concern when you're trying to solidify a conference. Basketball-heavy teams like Kansas and Kansas State would gladly trade not holding tournament games on Sunday for keeping their conference from imploding.

    Besides, other than a handful of conference tournaments, the Big 12 could easily schedule around BYU's no Sunday play, while still having Sunday games for the rest of the conference.

    Folks in the midwest are much more respecting of religious values.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Speculation about the Big-12's future is all over the map. DeLoss Dodds, the Texas AD, assures everyone that Texas and OU are going to remain in the Big-12. Ofcourse, many cite Dodds and Texas' domineering control over the Big-12 as the main reason why that conference has stability problems.

    Other observers in Austin give it a 70% chance that Texas and OU go to the PAC. In Oklahoma the speculation is that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will be heading to the PAC.

    If these are the anchors of the Big-12, what is BYU getting itself into?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Geez people need to get out and read what ND and Big 12 fans and writers are saying.
    ND is going nowhere. One day they will end up in the Big 10 or Big East where their other sports are. They can write their own ticket and will not join a failing Big12 run by Bevo.

    Yeah people are talking about BYU and how they can join the Big 12, and even if it failed BYU could still walk away. But the fact still remains that Big 12 schools are distancing themselves from Texas both in the media and behind the scene.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "Its not just about football. The Pac 12 has more NCAA titles in all sports that any other conference."

    Who are you kidding?

    Football is the 800-lb gorilla that is solely responsible driving the realignment train.

    Even basketball plays a distant 2nd fiddle, and the other sports don't even appear as a blip on the radar.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    @ BlueCoug

    "Big-12 is a BCS and BYU is a MAJOR INDEPENDENT...I don't see the match"

    byu is not a major independent, if they were they would get the same BCS deal as Notre Dame.

    "BYU is a national brand, legacy program, former national champion, perennial Top 25 team"

    What national brand and legacy program are you talking about? If byu had that, major conferences would be drooling to get byu into their conference like Notre Dame.

    "At least BYU will be joining the Big 12 based on the excellence of its sports programs and national fan base, rather than some bogus "research" university criteria that has absolutely nothing to do with sports."

    That is not true either! The Big 12 would invite byu to REPLACE Texas A&M and nothing else. The National Fan base is the reason byu is a most likely candidate for the Big 12 for replacement. The Pac-10 did not expand to replace departed schools. They expanded to get bigger and to negotiate a new TV deal to bring in more money for the conference and Utah has always been a candidate (Plan A or B).

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    An 8-year exclusive contract with the worldwide leader in sports and ten games on ESPN in their first year as an independent says differently; but you're welcome to you opinion.

    Colorado and Utah (an after-thought) were invited to the PAC 12 as nothing more than place holders so the PAC 12 could hold a championship game.

    Utah being completely ignored by ABC/ESPN when the 2011 football schedule was being decided is proof that Utah is now the little kid sitting in the high chair at the big boys table.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    Spoken like a true independent WAC schedule diehard Truth Machine.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Swoop said:

    "Who are you kidding?

    Football is the 800-lb gorilla that is solely responsible driving the realignment train.

    Even basketball plays a distant 2nd fiddle, and the other sports don't even appear as a blip on the radar."

    No Swoop, who are you kidding?
    The poster i quoted was only talking about football. I pointed out that the Pac 12 is the leader in all combined sports for NCAA titles. Do you have a problem with that, or the fact that BYU does not belong to a conference at all?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    I never thought that BYU was a very good fit for the Pac 12. The Pac 12 is a very liberal conference that holds many sporting events on Sunday and BYU is probably the most conservative University in America and will not play on Sunday. The Pac 12 is the 2nd best medical research conference in the world next to the Ivy league, but BYU doesn't even have a medical school, etc.

    However I do think that BYU fits in perfectly with the Big 12. There are other religious institutions in the conference, it works geographically, and overall academic philosophies line up. I think BYU would be foolish not do everything they can to get into that conference and the Big 12 would be foolish to not try and bring in BYU. BYU can make football Independence work, but ever single other BYU sport will suffer by being stuck in the WCC.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    huntererer

    "Why would there be "panic" on the Hill as some of you have suggested? I thought Utah was no longer part of your thoughts."

    You're confused. It's the kids on the hill who claimed that BYU was no longer part of their thoughts who are now panicking because BYU could not only be on the verge of having their own exclusive contract with ESPN and having their own private television network, but doing so, while being a member of a BCS conference.

    The kids on the hill are entering full panic mode because every lame argument they've been making for over a year is about to be obliterated.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    Spoken like a true BCS conference light weight.

    The half-a-dozen or so WAC teams on BYU's schedule for the next couple of seasons is but a short-term scheduling pinch that will soon be filled with a schedule of quality opponents from across the country, or possibly, a full slate of Big 12 opponents.

    Utah, on the other hand, is destined for middle of the PAC mediocrity.

    btw, Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, TCU, FCU, and Oregon State are not in the WAC, Utah State is a traditionall rival, and Hawaii is an old rivally that BYU wanted to renew anyway, and Idaho State is no different than Utah playing Montana State.

    In reality, the only "WAC schedule" opponents BYU has this season are San Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico State.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    If somehow BYU joins the imploding Big12-2 we will know about.
    If not, for the next decade and more we will hear about more alleged rumors and bogus invites of what could have been. Such is the history of a WAC legacy program. The past four decades prove that. Its built upon a house of alleged conference invites and rumors.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    Utah is going to be like a fish out of water when in comes to being in the "conference of champions" because Utah's minor sports are pathetic, and have been for decades.

    Besides football, women's gynmnastics is the only sport Utah has been competive in recently. Even Utah's once proud basketball team is a train wreck. A far as Utah is concerned, the PAC 12 might as well be the "conference of doormats", because that's what Utah's going to be in the PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    BlueCoug:

    "At least BYU will be joining the Big 12 based on the excellence of its sports programs and national fan base, rather than some bogus 'research' university criteria that has absolutely nothing to do with sports."

    Not so. For starters, the Y hasn't been invited. Additionally, if the Big XII valued your "national fan base" you would have been invited the moment Colorado left. Yet here you are...all frantic, emotional, and mid-major-ey. There's been room in that conference for over a year now, but the Big XII never called.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    You're just jealous because U have no legacy:

    national championships - 0
    Heisman Trophy winners - 0
    hall of fame players - 0
    nat'l individual awards - 0
    AP top 25 finishes - only 5

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Who made you the expert to decide the Big 12's time table for expansion and what criteria they will use?

    The only frantic bloggers I see are jealous Utah trolls who are scared to death that all of their thunder is about to be stolen. Somehow they mistakenly believe that if they spam BYU blogs enough they can make it all go away.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    I thought joining a BCS conference was not something BYU wanted to do. I also thought that Independence was your first option, not a backup plan or a reaction to Utah joining a BCS conference. Your posts are providing quite a bit of comedy, as always.

    Now that there is even the slightest opportunity to join a BCS conference you're excited. HA!!!

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Igualmente | 1:30 p.m. Aug. 31, 2011
    Mesa, AZ
    BYU is not in consideration for Big XII membership.

    There is too much local pull to get Arkansas, SMU, TCU, or UH into the league. Then, there is the contingency that wants to get ASU and UA to join the Big XII.

    Texas will not let any of the above schools in the Big 12. They left the SWC to get away from all of them. Conferences are about money, not sports. Those schools bring no more money. BYU brings around $10 - 12 million (estimated) ESPN contract, a HD broadcasting capability, as well as 5 million nationwide, and 10 million international potential viewers.

    The other schools don't come close.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    @wookie

    Why should we "trust" you simply because you live in Big 12 country? You don't know anything more than anyone else plus the fact you are a ute troll makes your credibility even less since we all realize you are simply projecting your desires and nothing of fact.

    I personally am torn on what I want BYU to do if an invitation is given to them. But "trust"ing you really doesn't even enter into any equations.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    TrollPolice:

    "NightOwlAmerica

    You're just jealous because U have no legacy."

    You have no conference. Beating up the WAC makes BYU a legacy program? Oh Please!
    Again I ask. If your alleged legacy program is so great, why have you not joined a power conference the past 4 decades? Let the rumors and alleged invites begin!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    Truth Machine said:

    "An 8-year exclusive contract with the worldwide leader in sports and ten games on ESPN in their first year as an independent says differently; but you're welcome to you opinion.

    Colorado and Utah (an after-thought) were invited to the PAC 12 as nothing more than place holders so the PAC 12 could hold a championship game.

    Utah being completely ignored by ABC/ESPN when the 2011 football schedule was being decided is proof that Utah is now the little kid sitting in the high chair at the big boys table."

    Yep you are welcome to your opinion as well. And what is wrong with the PAC 12 having a championship game?

    At least Utah is sitting at the table. They are entering their 1st year in a BCS conference. BYU, where are they again?

    If BYU loses do you honestly think ESPN will keep showing their games throughout the duration of their contract? They will just port them over to BYU-TV. Even more, ESPN can renegotiate the contract. The only guarantee is that BYU and ESPN have a contract. It can be changed.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    phoenix said:

    "NightOwlAmerica

    Utah is going to be like a fish out of water when in comes to being in the "conference of champions" because Utah's minor sports are pathetic, and have been for decades.

    Besides football, women's gynmnastics is the only sport Utah has been competive in recently. Even Utah's once proud basketball team is a train wreck. A far as Utah is concerned, the PAC 12 might as well be the "conference of doormats", because that's what Utah's going to be in the PAC 12."

    Jimmer is gone. Get over it.

  • whatnext Clearfield, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    I think all of you who are speculating and hoping that BYU will join the Big 12 are going to be gravely disappointed. Since the Leaders of the LDS church are the ones who will make the final determination as to weather BYU will go with the Big 12 or not, chances are very good that they will remain independent. The LDS church and its Leaders are not known for changing direction in the mid stream of things. They beleive in staying the course and in making things work. And since they have a course of action that will provide BYU and the Church greater exposure to the world, I think we will see BYU remain Independent.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Notice to Tom Holmoe and Bronco. Just remember all the 64000 of us who have bought season tickets and supported cougar sports long before you guys were even on the scene. Bring in some teams to Provo to play us. The home schedules in football and basketball are pathetic. If independence keeps shafting the home fans who have to endure terrible home schedules so Bronco can give his players real life experiences in exotic locations, bring on the Big 12 as soon as possible. We the loyal home fans deserve something better than what you have given us with this independence.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    You hear it here first...

    SUU, BYU and SMU will join Big-12

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    We will get an invite to the Big 12 for sure. Whether we accept it or not is another question.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica
    ...At least Utah is sitting at the table. They are entering their 1st year in a BCS conference. BYU, where are they again?...

    It's like this...BYU standing outside the dining hall, looking in while Utah is at the table...hahaha

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    Enjoy the view from the MTN, er, Versus.

    BYU fans will be enjoying theirs from the worldwide leader.

    U may be at the table, but you're being fed table scraps.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    @Riddles in the Dark

    ...Enjoy the view from the MTN, er, Versus...

    I enjoy watching a BCS caliber football team from Versus/internet/etc more than watching a mid-major football in ESPN/BYU-HD

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    @ SoCalUtahFan | 6:17 p.m. Aug. 31, 2011
    Utesville, CA

    .....against WAC schools.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    "I enjoy watching a BCS caliber football team from Versus/internet/etc..."

    Your "BCS calibre team got smoked by two non-AQ teams last season, and barely beat that 7-6 "mid-major" team you mock.

    I'll thoroughly enjoy watching my major independent pummel your middle of the PAC team on September 17th on nationwide HD.

    Thanks to BYU, you'll at least get to watch that Utah game.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    @ anti BCS

    "Your BCS calibre team got smoked by two non-AQ teams last season, and barely beat that 7-6 "mid-major" team you mock."

    Your "Major Independent" team got smoked last season by a non-aq WAC team (Utah State) on ESPN prime time!

    "Thanks to BYU, you'll at least get to watch that Utah game"

    Thanks to Utah, you'll get to see your only marquee team come to Provo.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    NightOwl:
    Whatever. Its not just about football. The Pac 12 has more NCAA titles in all sports that any other conference.

    Really? I think Utah has a very good argument in that they have earned their way to the table. But that is ONLY in football. I think Utah has a decent chance of competing in football. But if you really want to start talking about the other sports...I wouldn't recommend it.

    And while it's true that Utah has a seat at the table and BYU is standing in the hall, ESPN is bringing the feast out into the hall for BYU while Fox/ESPN isn't letting Utah eat the food that's on the table...

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    Blah blah blah BYU to Big 12.

    How do Cougar fans think they'd do in the Big 12?

    Toss out the fantasy. Be realistic.

    Reality for the Utes is they have a tough road ahead in the Pac 12. They MIGHT get to represent the south because USC is on probation. The competition is going to be rough. They can expect a "worse" record than their years in the MWC.

    But... the Utes want that challenge. They look to improve. The move to the Pac 12 will gain them more west coast recruits. Money is a big plus.

    Reality for the Cougars is they'd have a tough road in the Big 12. This year Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, aTm (soon to be gone), Missouri, and Texas are all ranked ahead of BYU. A 5th or 6th place finish in the league every year is not unrealistic. Finishing 4th would be good. 3rd would be great.

    But... the move to the Big 12 won't really improve Cougar recruiting. They maybe get one or two kids out of Texas, but they'll basically recruit the same guys they've always recruited. Money will be good, but no change in skill level.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Fact: There is more to life than football.
    Fact: Utah is now in the PAC12. It has won more NCAA titles in all sports than any other conference. Are people having a tough time here understanding that?

    Fact: BYU is independent, and is also a member of the WCC which has produced good basketball and baseball programs.

    Fact: There is more to life than football.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    A stale bag of Rhodes rolls is all the ESPN contract will add up to be if BYU does not win.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Moderate

    "Thanks to Utah, you'll get to see your only marquee team come to Provo."

    Thanks to BYU, you'll get to see Utah on ESPN once this year.

    While Utah at USC is playing on Versus, BYU at Texas will be playing on ESPN2 AND ESPN-3D!

    "Reality for the Utes is they have a tough road ahead in the Pac 12. They MIGHT get to represent the south because USC is on probation."

    Reality is, besides scholarship crippled USC, the Utes don't play a single PAC 12 team that had a better than BYU did last season. In fact, only two of them had winning records.

    Wash 7-6
    ASU 6-6
    Cal 5-7
    OSU 5-7
    Ariz 7-6
    UCLA 4-8
    WSU 2-10
    Colo 5-7