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  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    This will indeed be an interesting season. Possibilities of great success.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Riiiight. And every boy would rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not excited at all by the rumor that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him to go with her.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    We are not interested in any BCS conferences. We will win the Independant conference.

    Go Cougars.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    If an invite to the Big 12 ever does come the Y would be crazy not to jump at the chance.To be in the same league as Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas , Texas Tech .... BYU would be a net gain for the conference after they lost Colorado.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    My thoughts are that people who think BYU is going to turn this opportunity down and stay independent are grossly misinformed. Bronco Mendenhall clarified a point from the start that if any talk is going on, it is strictly involving AD Tom Holmoe and President Cecil Samuelson at this point in the process. Mendenhall merely realizes that this ultimately will be a Board of Trustees decision involving the senior leaders of the LDS Church more than anything, and it will be an interesting debate amongst them. Politically this will be likely far from an amicable decision with them as I can best tell since there will be no doubt some who will want this for BYU and a few that will be very reluctant if not completely resistant to this idea, given they feel BYU should be there for the "have not" programs like Utah State as well as the "have" programs like Utah, and this independence gig was a compromise between the two. To turn this down in my opinion would be as bad if not worse than Utah State last year blowing off the MWC.

  • VA_Ute New Bern, NC
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    My predictions:

    TAMU will leave the Big 12 for the SEC.

    BYU will get an invitation to the Big 12.

    BYU will accept the invitation after some bandying about, and will be allowed to keep portions of it's tv package including BYUtv.

    BYU fans will then declare that being a member of the Big 12 is infinitely better than being a member of the Pac-12.

    Utah fans will point out the hypocrisy of that stance given BYU's long desire to join the Pac-12 and the fact that the Pac-12 rakes in more cash than the Big 12.

    Utah fans will also ridicule BYU fans for all the chest pounding previously done by BYU fans in regards to independence.

    BYU fans and Utah fans will argue about the superiority of their separate conferences and teams for years to come. The more things change...

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    I am grateful for the University of Utah's move to the Pac X which has pushed this independence forward. Were it not for Utah's departure, BYU would be back to the same old schedule (except for the BSU addition).

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    Stay the current course. The coach understands.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Aug. 30, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    I hope for the sake of the BYU program, the Big 12 invite does come true. If not, all the hype about going Independent by BYU fans will be exposed as a complete sham. Going independent was simply BYU throwing a foolish temper tantrum over the Utes entry into the PAC 12. Even if BYU joins the Big 12, they are likely joining a sinking ship. While the grass is certainly greener in the Pac 12, I cant say the same is true for BYU's departure of the MWC for independence. The mess is only beginning.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    JJ Di Luigi:
    "...our quest for an undefeated season."

    1984 - quest achieved.

    It is extremely difficult to go undefeated. Just focus on one game and try to win that. That should be your "quest." The problem is you all are focusing on the large goal while nearly ignoring the steps that it takes to get there. No wonder 1984 was the last time you all went undefeated. The best thing about being 0-0 is that you have the opportunity to become 1-0, not 12-0.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Aug. 30, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    "My job now is to help our team play in a manner that's worthy of that partnership" with ESPN. Great quote, coach. That's exactly right. Exposure is only a great thing if you win. Being on national tv losing 6 games isn't good. Losing 6 games in a BCS conference - not a terrible thing. You can still go to a bowl game and you will still get a part of a BCS payday.
    There's a lot of interest right now in how BYU will do this year - they've got to bring their A game to every game.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    RedUte;
    Yes, you have it nailed. BYU's independence declaration was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to Utah leaving. BYU's "temper tantrum" landed them a major TV contract, all their games on national TV, games all over the country with some excellent teams from all major conferences, 1,000 times the exposure and 10 times the money. What a sham.
    The grass is greener on the PAC side of the fence but there are also 11 great big bulls in that pasture that are going to stomp the snot out of you every time you take a bite of that green grass.
    Truth is that BYU had been looking for a way out of the MWC and the MTN for years. Little bro left so they did not need to babysit any longer. That gave them free reign to do what they wanted. Turned out pretty darn good. Will get even better.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    @redute

    "Foolish temper tantrum" ?

    This was more than likely going to happen anyway, with Utah going to the PAC12 BYU just made the decision quicker. BYU has been gearing up for this for 2 to 3 years now with all the building and buying equipment for BYU TV. Anyone who says otherwise is foolish, BYU was the one's with forsight for the Independant leap so don't toot your Troll horn to much.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Aug. 30, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    Still makes me laugh. Utah was a second hand choice becuase others turned down the PAC 10. BYU goes independent and they still cry how BYU is going nowhere. I guess if an 8 year deal with ESPN is called going nowhere, I need to go there more often. Get real ute cry babies, BYU took the better road. You keep saying we should have stayed in the MWC, give me one good reason why that makes sense over what they have now, just one please. I mean, Utah was the first to jump ship.....oh yeah, it was for the money and the exposure....hmmm sounds just like BYU. Whatever!!!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    B | 12:30 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011
    Logan, UT

    Riiiight. And every boy would rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not excited at all by the rumor that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him to go yip, yip, yip... Yip, yip. (Sorry, tuned you out again)

    Like an anklebiting chihuahua.

    Utah Fans, everyone knows that you are there.

    Yep, we know that Utah is the sexy boy on campus. And Utah was invited not because they needed an extra body for the PAC XII championship, but for your award winning athletic program that garnered so very many WAC, and MWC championships across the board.

    That's why the PAC picked them up so very fast and they are the showpiece of the PAC, with all those games on TV.

    (Old or new contract, if they thought Utah would sell advertising, Larry Scott would have them on National TV every week.)

    So bark, little doggies, bark, and scare the big, bad shadows away.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    More than anything this is just Mendnehall covering political bases, and the Big 12 has yet to make any firm offers. The only firm "No" to any potential offers has come from Notre Dame. Holmoe has thrown enough politicl bones (accomodating Utah State) in his own house to get this through the LDS Church senior leadership, but the only unknown is the reaction since this is happening at least 2 years earlier than I think the administrators at BYU felt it could happen. Exit strategy in a highly amicable way from the WCC will be paramount to getting this league detination approved. But if the Big 12 is turned down by BYU's governing board, this will not give much hope to the future of that league, despite the best efforts of Texas and Oklahoma.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 30, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    RedUte

    Begging for a little attention? Sorry to disappoint you, but you're already had your moment in the spotlight. Now it's time move on.

    Enjoy middle of the PAC mediocrity -- 6th or 7th was it?

    I'd say, enjoy your own game this week, but KJZZ doesn't broadcast in Washington, does it?

    Oh well, at least you have one game on ESPN, courtesy of your big brother.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    @Mildred in Fillmore

    ...We are not interested in any BCS conferences...

    And no BCS conference is interested in Cougars so far...
    So I guess the feeling is mutual...hahaha

    "This move to independence was well thought out..."

    Well...

    Lavell Edwards said. Im still pretty close to the people involved there. This just came out of the blue.

    (should be out of the Red as in the Red is moving up and Blue should move somewhere too)

  • Chris B's psychiatrist Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    I checked out the TV schedule here in the Midwest for this weekend's games: BYU on national TV. Utah nowhere to be found. Enough said.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    @ RedUte

    You utes are just lucky that Texas and the other teams that were invited to make a PAC 16 turned it down, after Colorado accepted, becauase that created a need for Team # 12---the Utes. I think that while Utah has some great potential in the PAC, so did Arizona and Arizona State when it went from the PAC 8 to the PAC 10. How well have they fared in the PAC 10 over the years?

    Face it, your current rival is now (laughable) Colorado. You need to play BYU.....more than they need to play U.

    It will take Utah 3 seasons to win a grand total of 10 PAC 12 Conference Games.
    Mark it down. You probably will defeat Montana State in SLC on Thursday Sept 1st. I'll give you that victory before the game kicks. But no others. At midnight Sept 17th you'll likely be 1 - 2.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    The trib is reporting that BYU will not accept an invite to the Big12, unless it is just in football. The LDS church is not going to let BYU take an invite from the WCC and then back out of the agreement with the WCC when something better comes along.

    If BYU does not get an invite from the Big12, because they will not leave the WCC, then this whole independence thing was a mistake. Why did BYU make such a knee jerking immediate reaction to Utah going to a BCS conference? This could come back to hurt.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    @ Veritas Aequitas

    Actually, I am a BYU fan. I hate Utah. I'm just being a realist. BYU would GLADLY go to the Big 12. You know it and I know it. To say they are 'happy' playing Idaho State, New Mexico State, and Idaho is flat out disingenuous.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    UncleRico: BYU didn't make a knee jerk reaction to Utah's going to the pac 12 at all , going independent had been in the works for quite some time. You don't make that kind of decision without alot of research.
    Getting an invite to a BCS conf. isn't as big a deal as many are wanting to make it, exposure is the most important thing and BYU is getting plenty of it without belonging to a BCS conf.. I commented yesterday that BYU wouldn't leave the WCC if it meant reneging on an agreement, so unless there was an agreed upon clause to let BYU leave when ever they wanted BYU won't just renege and pull out. Integrity, and honesty are far more important.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Those BYU fans who are or would be frustrated if BYU doesn't get into a BCS conf. are missing to big picture. BYU doesn't need to be in a BCS conf. they can do fine without it and they won't have to adhere to any conference rules etc. They can make decisions based on what is good for BYU, without worrying about what other schools feel. Exposure couldn't be much better than it is and that is the major objective. Sports wise BYU can succeed and improve, they can get into BCS games and even a NC game, all they need to do is win. That would be the same even if they were in a BCS conf.. Look at Arizona and Arizona St, they bolted to the big PAC10 35 yrs ago and it hasn't done them much good, how many BCS games have they been in? How many NC games? Zero. BYU doesn't need a conf. affiliation to succeed.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    Let's play a little game. Let's pretend for a minute that:

    -All of the facilities, HD broadcast, etc, were built solely for the purpose of showing devotionals on campus and nobody ever thought they could be used for sports.

    -BYU was completely blindsided by Utah's departure and had no idea what to do with themselves so they "knee-jerked" and declared Independence.

    -The Cougars are overwhelmed in their first year as an Independent, lose 7 games and ESPN says "From now on we will only broadcast our contractual four games a year-no more of this every game business" so all the rest of the games are relegated to BYU tv

    -Scheduling never improves from the first year Independent schedule with less than 12 months to schedule an entire season, and BYU plays 5 WAC teams at home every year for the next decade, and can only manage to fill up 2/3 of their stadium

    In this wildest fantasy of Ute trolls, how can even the most embittered poster think that this is worse than the MWC days? More money and more exposure in the nightmare of all nightmares than in the MWC. How is this terrible?

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    B : As BYU's independence progresses the schedule will progress. Playing the Idaho States, New Mexico States etc will only last as long as needed until the scheduling works itself out. I'm not so sure BYU will jump at the chance to go to the big 10, IMO they should n't. Belonging to a BCS conf. isn't as neat and great a thing as many want to make it.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    Happy as an independent?

    Really?

    BYU would give up all the glory of independence in an instant for an invitation from the BIG 12.

    After a feigned display of turmoil over the decision to dump independence and the WCC, the spin will be glorious to behold as the vaunted BYU PR machine launches into action to explain that they were really just kidding over the last year about the magnificence of independence.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    byu will go to big 12 and win it all the time just to proove there so good then go independent again to make $5million a game from espn and showing games in China and stuff.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    @ CaptainL

    The way I see it, the Big 12 (10, 9 whatever it is now) is going to be a safe harbor for BYU if the 'Super Conferences' form. I don't think that will happen for a while, but BYU wouldn't pass up the opportunity to bring in OU, Texas, K-State, KU, Okla State, and Texas Tech. I just don't see BYU saying 'no.'

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Just one small problem with staying independant. The home schedule is terrible. Everything is always about going somewhere exotic and giving the players a great life experience according to Bronco. The tribune was corrent when they said there are 64000 reasons to go to the big 12. The home fans who continue to pay more each year for those tickets are getting the shaft. Have you seen the basketball home schedule this year? It is pathetic. How about giving the home season ticket holders a life experience Bronco and Tom. Afterall, we helped build this program just like you guys and look what we have to show for it. A pathetic home football and basketball schedule.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    @fan32

    "The home schedule is terrible."
    **********

    But, but, but, didn't Holmoe tell us that his phone was ringing off the hook with teams wanting to play BYU?

    What went wrong?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Re:CaptainL

    If it had truly been in the works for a while, the first year of independence they would have not had to play 5 Wac teams.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    What channel is Utah's football game on Thursday?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Keep in mind that the "Big 12 invitation" rumor is pretty much a local rumor. There is hardly any talk about BYU in the midwestern U.S. right now.

    The independent BYU football schedule is pretty soft this season (aside from the first couple of games), but I think that is mostly because most big name schools are scheduling several years out. The Y's football schedule definitely gets tougher in future seasons.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    You all are really fooling yourselves if you don't think all the politicians in Texas won't get the rest of the Texas universities but allow BYU. Wake up, UTEP, SMU, Rice, Houston will all get in before BYU.

    It is funny to watch BYU fan puff their chest about how great independence is and then salivate and foam at the mouth for a BCS conference invite in such a short period of time.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    @ouisc

    "Keep in mind that the "Big 12 invitation" rumor is pretty much a local rumor. There is hardly any talk about BYU in the midwestern U.S. right now.

    The independent BYU football schedule is pretty soft this season (aside from the first couple of games), but I think that is mostly because most big name schools are scheduling several years out. The Y's football schedule definitely gets tougher in future seasons."

    1) I live in the midwest, and there is lots of talk about BYU moving to the Big12 out here. Read the newspapers from Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Oklahoma, etc. and they are all mentioning BYU. Even ESPN mentioned BYU.

    2) BYU's schedule includes a team from the SEC, Big 12, & 2 Pac12 teams. TCU will be in the Big East next year. I would definitely not call BYU's schedule "soft". They have some soft games, but the schedule overall is not soft.

    You want to see soft? Look at Utah's football opponent this Thursday.

    Go Cougs!

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    UncleRico: It's not me saying it was in the works for a long time, it's Holmoe and the administration. I prefer to believe them.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico: Read the article a little more closely...the only ones at LDS Church headquarters that don't want BYU to make this move are the very small minority that want BYU athletics scaled back to WCC levels (football dropped) or gone the way of Rexburg. They (this minority) also don't want Utah State deep-sixed any further by both Utah and BYU being in BCS leagues. While it might seem silly and trivial to some and very un-faith promoting to others, perhaps some of the more serious disagreements among st senior leaders of the LDS Church are over the future of the academic mission of BYU (teaching vs. post-graduate research) or its athletic affiliations. There are those that have never gotten over BYU becoming a bigger more powerful school academically or athletically than Utah State, despite that being now half a century ago.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    Always the bridsmaid, never the bride. Keep stiring those Big XII rumors. The phone is still not ringing. The call will probably come as soon as the cougars 1st BCS bowl invite.

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    @ouisc The first email I received this morning was from a friend in Kansas wanting to know what I thought about BYU joining the Big 12. Maybe you need to get out more.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    SLCBYUfan: Where are you coming up with your comments from, your statements are all your own opinion without any facts. Your making alot of assumptions. Have you talked to those at church headquarters? I doubt it. Where are you coming up with your comments about not wanting BYU athletics to move past WCC levels. Most of what you said has no factual basis. Your comments about Utah State and the leaders of the church are ridiculous.
    It is obvious you want BYU to get into a BCS conf. real bad, (to bad IMO), BCS conf. affiliation isn't that cool, BYU athletics can be great without it.
    Belonging to a BCS conf.would be safe and easier and I'm not saying it would be bad but it's not needed and not as cool and neat as your wanting to make it out to be.
    How much good has it done for Arizona or Arizona St, not much. It is good financially but BYU will make plenty of money as an independent. You act like it is a must do thing to get into a BCS conf., it isn't, we can play just as many or more top teams as anIdependent.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    The question is not IF an invite will come, but what stipulations will it have hen it does. If the Longhorn network is enough to divorce the UT and A&M couple, do we think that the Big-XII will say...'yeah of course, BYU, do what you want with your network.'

    I have my doubts about that.

    Cougar_Independence | 8:49 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011
    OMAHA, NE
    "What channel is Utah's football game on Thursday?"

    Since you don't get KJZZ in Omaha, you can catch the game live on the internet at UtahUtes.com.

    You're welcome.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    I feel for all of you Cougs. Your best chance at a joining a BCS conference is desperately jumping into a rats nest of a conference. It wasn't bad enough that you have had to live in Utahs shadow over the last decade, but now you'll have to be happy with the Longhorn's annoying cousin. Nothing is sweeter than watching this slow motion train wreck from the comfort of my PAC 12 couch. Go Utes!

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @CaptainL: Obviously you don't understand the politics or are completely clueless about the "Unwritten Order of Things." If BYU doesn't get into a BCS conference with this invitation, then they can kiss joining a super-league that will likely evolve in 1-2 decades good-bye.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    And the BYU obsession continues.

    Less than two days away from their first PAC 12 era football game and all they can think about is BYU's imminent invitation to the Big 12. After more than a year of build up to the PAC 12, it's killing them that BYU is poised to steal all of their thunder before the mighty Utes play their first PAC 12 conference game.

    How very sad.

    But, cheer up, there's still one brief flicker of light ahead; one brief shining moment when U can move out of obscurity into the bright light of an ESPN national broadcast...

    courtesy of your big brother down south.

  • R.Burgundy Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    Everybody Chill! As a College football and BYU fan, I am glad the U got the invite to the PAC and I hope BYU gets to go to the BIG 12! Great football games in the State of Utah! If anyone thinks BYU is in a better position now than going to a BCS conference (even an unstable Big 12) has been drinking to much of the Blue Koolaid! If the Y cannot get into a conference, than they will be left out if they all go to 16 teams, then BYU will be back playing in the MWC and will not be relevent on a national stage ever again! I am also tired of people saying BYU will offend the WCC! Since when did the Y worry about it's image, after they left the MWC high and dry or was it the WAC 13 years ago? Turn down a BIG 12 invite and thats when the arragance of BYU will really offend the Big 12 members!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    @jjjhs

    "It is funny to watch BYU fan puff their chest about how great independence is and then salivate and foam at the mouth for a BCS conference invite in such a short period of time."

    Puffing ones chest out is relevant to what it's compared to. As what I can recall over the past year of Ute hype to the Pac 10.2 it would appear that BYU fans are just taking a normal breath.

    Yes, this is what life is about for a nationally recognized athletic program. BYU gets awards, recognition, recruits, and a whole lot of media exposure and attention grabbing headlines.

    It's several of you Ute fans that are hyper-ventilating on these daily articles of a rumored BCS invitation. It's all so so funny.

    As I travel tomorrow evening I'm ever so grateful for the internet, my cell phone provider and broadcast radio. I'll be able to 'tune in' to my precious Utes ESPN 700 AM stream and hear all about the game.

    And while I'm in the middle of the heartland of this great country in a rinky dink little town next to nowhere I'll be watching BYU and Ole Miss.

    Jealous much?

  • ppbrittain HILLSBORO, MO
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:09 a.m.

    As a Big XII fan and someone who lives in XII country, I'm looking forward to welcoming BYU into the conference. Hopefully, for the 2012 football season.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    A series of observations:

    Coach Mendenhall, as usual, is reasonable in his "take" on things. He knows that the Cougars need to earn a BCS bid, while many of the BYU Faithful believe they have already done it.

    I chuckle every time I read an article or a comment indicating "we are happy as a football independent," considering that the Cougars have yet to play a SINGLE game since leaving the MWC.

    I really am happy being Charlize Theron's boyfriend. We haven't gone out yet, but.....

    BYU's move to independence may have been due, in some part, to Utah's move to the Pac-12. But to suggest it was a knee-jerk decision arrived at since the Utes left the MWC is silly. The Cougars would have needed ESPN to agree to what many of you propose was a harebrained decision. The Worldwide Leader is too smart for that.

    I wish BYU success, whether as an independent, or as a member of another conference. But you've got to admit, if they are invited to join the Big-12 and leave the WCC and independence for what most believe is a better option, the discussion that ensues will be entertaining!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    B | 7:02 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011
    Logan, UT
    @ Veritas Aequitas

    Actually, I am a BYU fan. I hate Utah.
    ===

    OK, so let's take you at your word, and use your scenario.

    "And every boy would rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not excited at all by the rumor that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him to go with her."

    While he did not have a date, he hooked up with an older buddy (let's say ESPN") and who fixed him up with a new concept. 'Hot older women'.

    Now the rumors start about the 'hot girl' at school.

    People in life move on to bigger and better things.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    So if an invite from the Big 12 never comes, what's next? Independence doesn't have that same excitement anymore does it? Out of all this BIG 12 hype, it is fairy clear that BYU fans are truly fearful of independence. They know this move in a few seasons could relegate their program to a second tier status. Word of advice, you may want to make a quick call to the MWC and do a huge Mea Culpa. It could be the one thing that will save you.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Wow, I can't believe all the discussion going on in this post about BYU and the Big 12. Word got back to this part of the country (Big 12 Country) that the president of BYU made an announcement that BYU would remain independent even if an invitation came from the Big 12. This was not what Big 12 fans wanted to hear since BYU was on the short list of possible schools to invite for membership. The Big 12 is now looking at other schools to invite.

    Based on what I have read at Big 12 member sites, Big 12 members still want the conference to remain as a 10 member league. This setup will allow all members to play each other every year in football and they will play each other twice in basketball. Should Texas A&M decide to leave the conference, only one school will be invited to replace A&M.

    BYU is far outside the Big 12 footprint, but it would certainly be a welcomed addition. I hope BYU would reconsider its position on this matter.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    The whole sports world, including the WCC, knows that BYU independence and WCC affiliation is a temp thing and a stepping stone to something else.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    The bitterness is unbelievable. Time will tell what happens with BYU and the conference landscape. I can't wait for 10 espn games and byutv replays.

  • Cynical Optimist SCOTTSBLUFF, NE
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    A couple of simple points to the "BYU isnt really invested in going independent" crowd.
    Money drives college football and while BYU does have various other priorities to consider (exposure, no sunday play, etc) as long as those standards are met they are going to chase the $$$'s.
    under the MWC they received between $1.2 - $1.5 Million annually (let's assume the high count of $1.5)
    Independent projections were between $5.6 - $8.4 Million annually (just television rights and we will assume the low of $5.6 Million)
    Big 12 revenue sharing range from $9.8 - $14.2 Million annually (even assuming the low in the uneven sharing where BYU would NOT be slotted, realistically they are around the $12 Million range, again just television rights)
    final standings Independence is greater than MWC ($5.6 Million vs $1.5 Million annually) Big12 is greater than independence ($9.8 Million vs $5.6 Million). Independence was the right choice vs MWC and Big12 is the right choice vs Independence. Again no invitation has arrived and may not come at all but if it does and the Big12 remains viable longterm BYU will join. plus its a BCS conference

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Notre Dame is not as interested in the Big 12 because they already have a sweet BCS deal. I hate the BCS but we have to take the invite.

    "All BYU has to do is win." Bah. BYU has to be #1 or undefeated and #2 in the BCS poll to get an invite to the BCS NC. (There is no real NC.) Have you been paying atention to Boise St., TCU, and Utah?

    You can't compare our independence to N.D.

    On the other hand, if we join the Big 12, then 2011 is just a practice year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    SLC BYU Fan:

    "But if the Big 12 is turned down by BYU's governing board, this will not give much hope to the future of that league, despite the best efforts of Texas and Oklahoma."

    Hahahaha! This is CLASSIC frantic and emotional cougar fantasy. There hasn't been ANY reports that the Y's governing board is considering declining a Big XII invitation. There also aren't reports of the Big XII inviting the cougars. The closest we have are Big XII officials waiting to see what Texas A&M is going to do, and then react.

    It's obvious the key players here are:

    1. Texas A&M. They will set the whole chain in motion
    2. The Big XII. Their actions are contingent on A&M's.
    3. Notre Dame. Pipe dream.
    4. Arkansas. Pipe dream II.

    The cougars would like to believe they'll be the Big XII's #5, but they won't. That'll be Oklahoma. The Sooners will have no trouble getting another invitation from the Pac-12, and such an invitation would most likely result in a 2nd as a traveling partner. If that 2nd is extended to a Big XII team, that conference folds; with or w/o the cougars.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    toosmartforyou:

    "You utes are just lucky that Texas and the other teams that were invited to make a PAC 16 turned it down,...becauase [sic] that created a need for Team # 12---the Utes."

    There really hadn't been any evidence that the Utes wouldn't have gotten invited anyway. But, there is substantial evidence that the Y won't be "lucky" enough to receive an invitation to the Big XII unless Texas A&M turns down the Big XII. Such as...the existence of a conference named the "Big XII" with only 10 teams. Nebraska and Colorado left 2 vacancies, and the Big XII declined to replace them.

    There's also a lot of reports coming out of the Big XII that says 9 teams won't do, and that if the Aggies leave, they'll go searching for a replacement. Then, and ONLY then, might the Y get a look. Houston, SMU, TCU, Memphis, Tulsa, Air Force, Colorado St....Slim pickings.

    [I wonder why I've never heard Southern Mississippi mentioned. They have good football, close proximity, and dips into SEC country.]

    If the Big XII wanted the Y, the Y wouldn't have joined as an honorary member of the WAC.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    I haven't seen any articles wherein the cougars are compelled to reject the Big XII by church leaders. What I have seen, is an article authored by Kurt Kragthorpe where he speculates a "what if?" scenerio...

    "If they choose to remain independent, BYU officials will cite the schools mission of advertising the LDS Church nationwide and some loyalty to the West Coast Conference, which is accommodating basketball and other sports."

    Note that the first word in the Kragthorpe musing above was "IF"; not "when".

    And that quote was immediately followed by:

    "Yet the reasons to jump far outnumber and outweigh the motivation to stay. BCS access, other bowl possibilities, BYUs positioning itself for future movement and the context of a conference race all are critical. Coach Bronco Mendenhall and athletic director Tom Holmoe keep talking about the 'risk/reward' of independence, but whats really at stake when any record between 6-6 and 11-1 leads to the same postseason destination?"

    Besides, cougar homer Jay Drew wrote another article titled: "If superconferences are coming, Cougars want in".

    Not much to "read between the lines" there now, is there?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    I love how ute trolls are the ultimate authority on what the Big 12 will do, what BYU will do, and how it will effect BYU.

    Classic utah troll insecurity.

    "we have a PAC 10.2 deal..."
    "we have more money..."
    "we are in a BCS conference..."
    "we are better than BYU..."

    "But let's go tell BYU fans and BYU itself on their boards, what is going to happen, what they should do, and how it will effect them."

    really?

    IF I were a utah fan I would turn around, and never think of BYU again. I would start looking forward, not back. I wouldn't give BYU a second thought.

    The fact that you can't says a lot about your own insecurities, the emotional investment in hating BYU, and the fact that you know you haven't got a whole lot to cheer about.

    Whatever BYU does, or doesn't do has no bearing on you or what your team does. How pathetic it is that hate something so much that you can't move on.

    BYU will be just fine, regardless of what u trolls think.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    I think it is ridiculous that people assume that if BYU fans are interested in a potential B12 invite then obviously the Independence was all hype and/or fans are scared of Independence. This is a classic either/or fallacy. "Either Independence was a good idea OR you want into the B12". Both can be and ARE true!

    Independence is an obvious step up from the MWC in terms of money, exposure and even scheduling. The very fact that BYU instantly signed an 8 year contract with ESPN adds to the national weight, prestige and perception of the Cougars. Being Independent has ALREADY massively increased the exposure for BYU. A potential invite to the B12 may potentially limit the TV appearances but will still provide MUCH more exposure for BYU. If BYU plays Texas and/or Oklahoma you know it will be broadcast (see 2009 and again this year-and incidentally that is better than Utah's draw with USC).

    BYU may not accept the offer, or it may never be offered, but BYU is still in a much better place than they were in the MWC, no argument.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    ESPN announcing that A&M has officially announced its intention to leave the Big 12 by June 30, 2012. Next few days/weeks are going to be really interesting. Will the Big 12 stay together and simply replace A&M? Will they be more aggressive and try to get back to 12 members? Or will this set off another round of expansion by the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten, etc?

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    @ RepresentBlue

    Wouldn't it be hilarious if BYU and Utah ended up in the same conference?

    2 days ago - Front page news in Kansas City that Misouri could follow Texas A&M to the SEC. Feels like a long shot to me, but the Big 12 could soon be the Big 8.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Seafarer,

    Hopefully you don't think of all Utah fans as "trolls." I certainly don't feel like a troll.

    I readily admit that as a lifelong Ute fan, I am still, and probably always will be interested in BYU athletics.

    I got my undergraduate degree there.

    As I have moved around the country, and lived overseas, I have discovered that >80% of sports fans in my wards/branches have been BYU fans. There's no getting away from them if you want to remain an active Mormon!

    Half of my family are avid Cougar fans.

    They are the flagship team for my religion.

    The fan-bases are right on top of each other. Proximity won't allow us to ignore one another as you suggest.

    That being said, I believe that BYU would be better served in a BCS conference. Based on their performance on the field, they have certainly earned it. And whether the Cougars go to another conference or remain independent, out of choice or necessity, I wish them well.

    Except on 17 SEP, of course!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    9:07 PM 8/30

    Montana State weak?

    Compared to Idaho State?

    Fair enough.

    Idaho State is 3 and 31 over the last 3 years.

    Montana State is 23 and 12 over the last three years.

    Idaho State has not had a winning season since 2003.

    Montana State has not has a losing season since 2001.

    Idaho State has WON 16 games OVER the last 7 YEARS.

    Montana State has WON 16 games OVER the last 2 YEARS, 50 OVER the last 7 YEARS.

    Idaho State is arguably one of the worst football teams in America at any level of college competition.

    Of course, Idaho State is superior to Idaho, New Mexico State and San Jose State.

  • Bigred1 SAN DIEGO, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Coach Mendenhall specifically stated that the only thing lacking is BCS affiliation. Independence was much better for exposure than was the MWC. however, a BCS conference affiliation will generate even more exposure than will BYU's independence.

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    IF and it is a big IF the Big XII invites BYU we will only hear about it if they say yes. All of the work will be behind the scenes. The BIG XII will not let the public know if BYU says, "No we are going to stay the course". They will not go through the humiliation of that. If they get turned down by BYU they will publicly say that BYU was not a good fit.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    As a BYU fan , I want what is best for BYU, I'm not opposed to joining a BCS conf. it would make things easier but I also don't think we need to be desperate to get into a BCS conf. The money is always important, but not the most important. Joining a BCS conf. would be good for the rest of the sports programs at BYU but I'm not sure what was said to the WCC. I know BYU will want to do the ethical thing and if leaving the WCC would be unethical BYU won't do it. There is more to think of regarding this situation than just football.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    My predictation : None --- But I"M looking forward to seeing the games and hope they play well.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    Chris B's psychiatrist,

    Seriously, the name? I think someone has a little too much time on their hands or just really into internet verbal brawls or something.

    Cougs need to stick to their guns. They wanted the Independence status for certain reasons. They have pro's and cons, but I do think that they did that out of retaliation to Utah (not just because I'm a U fan). I think it could have been more thought out- after all, it is a big change and affects their whole athletic department.

    Just a thought though, would the Cougar's basketball team thrive more playing Kansas every year? I think the big 12 would definately help the other teams MUCH more than the WCC (Wait... what conference is this again?). As far as national exposure goes, I do believe that the Big 12 would expose them better nationally in ALL their sports.

    But, I think they need to stick to their guns to avoid a lot of criticism.