This will indeed be an interesting season. Possibilities of great success.
Riiiight. And every boy would rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not
excited at all by the rumor that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him
to go with her.
We are not interested in any BCS conferences. We will win the Independant
conference. Go Cougars.
If an invite to the Big 12 ever does come the Y would be crazy not to jump at
the chance.To be in the same league as Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas , Texas
Tech .... BYU would be a net gain for the conference after they lost Colorado.
My thoughts are that people who think BYU is going to turn this opportunity down
and stay independent are grossly misinformed. Bronco Mendenhall clarified a
point from the start that if any talk is going on, it is strictly involving AD
Tom Holmoe and President Cecil Samuelson at this point in the process.
Mendenhall merely realizes that this ultimately will be a Board of Trustees
decision involving the senior leaders of the LDS Church more than anything, and
it will be an interesting debate amongst them. Politically this will be likely
far from an amicable decision with them as I can best tell since there will be
no doubt some who will want this for BYU and a few that will be very reluctant
if not completely resistant to this idea, given they feel BYU should be there
for the "have not" programs like Utah State as well as the
"have" programs like Utah, and this independence gig was a compromise
between the two. To turn this down in my opinion would be as bad if not worse
than Utah State last year blowing off the MWC.
My predictions:TAMU will leave the Big 12 for the SEC.BYU will get an invitation to the Big 12.BYU will accept the
invitation after some bandying about, and will be allowed to keep portions of
it's tv package including BYUtv.BYU fans will then declare that
being a member of the Big 12 is infinitely better than being a member of the
Pac-12.Utah fans will point out the hypocrisy of that stance given
BYU's long desire to join the Pac-12 and the fact that the Pac-12 rakes in more
cash than the Big 12. Utah fans will also ridicule BYU fans for all
the chest pounding previously done by BYU fans in regards to independence. BYU fans and Utah fans will argue about the superiority of their
separate conferences and teams for years to come. The more things change...
I am grateful for the University of Utah's move to the Pac X which has pushed
this independence forward. Were it not for Utah's departure, BYU would be
back to the same old schedule (except for the BSU addition).
Stay the current course. The coach understands.
I hope for the sake of the BYU program, the Big 12 invite does come true. If
not, all the hype about going Independent by BYU fans will be exposed as a
complete sham. Going independent was simply BYU throwing a foolish temper
tantrum over the Utes entry into the PAC 12. Even if BYU joins the Big 12, they
are likely joining a sinking ship. While the grass is certainly greener in the
Pac 12, I cant say the same is true for BYU's departure of the MWC for
independence. The mess is only beginning.
JJ Di Luigi:"...our quest for an undefeated season."1984 - quest achieved.It is extremely difficult to go undefeated.
Just focus on one game and try to win that. That should be your
"quest." The problem is you all are focusing on the large goal while
nearly ignoring the steps that it takes to get there. No wonder 1984 was the
last time you all went undefeated. The best thing about being 0-0 is that you
have the opportunity to become 1-0, not 12-0.
"My job now is to help our team play in a manner that's worthy of that
partnership" with ESPN. Great quote, coach. That's exactly right.
Exposure is only a great thing if you win. Being on national tv losing 6 games
isn't good. Losing 6 games in a BCS conference - not a terrible thing. You can
still go to a bowl game and you will still get a part of a BCS payday. There's a lot of interest right now in how BYU will do this year - they've got
to bring their A game to every game.
RedUte;Yes, you have it nailed. BYU's independence declaration was nothing
more than a knee jerk reaction to Utah leaving. BYU's "temper tantrum"
landed them a major TV contract, all their games on national TV, games all over
the country with some excellent teams from all major conferences, 1,000 times
the exposure and 10 times the money. What a sham.The grass is greener on
the PAC side of the fence but there are also 11 great big bulls in that pasture
that are going to stomp the snot out of you every time you take a bite of that
green grass.Truth is that BYU had been looking for a way out of the MWC
and the MTN for years. Little bro left so they did not need to babysit any
longer. That gave them free reign to do what they wanted. Turned out pretty darn
good. Will get even better.
@redute"Foolish temper tantrum" ?This was more than likely going to happen anyway, with Utah going to the
PAC12 BYU just made the decision quicker. BYU has been gearing up for this for
2 to 3 years now with all the building and buying equipment for BYU TV. Anyone
who says otherwise is foolish, BYU was the one's with forsight for the
Independant leap so don't toot your Troll horn to much.
Still makes me laugh. Utah was a second hand choice becuase others turned down
the PAC 10. BYU goes independent and they still cry how BYU is going nowhere. I
guess if an 8 year deal with ESPN is called going nowhere, I need to go there
more often. Get real ute cry babies, BYU took the better road. You keep saying
we should have stayed in the MWC, give me one good reason why that makes sense
over what they have now, just one please. I mean, Utah was the first to jump
ship.....oh yeah, it was for the money and the exposure....hmmm sounds just like
B | 12:30 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011 Logan, UT Riiiight. And every boy
would rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not excited at all by the
rumor that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him to go yip, yip, yip...
Yip, yip. (Sorry, tuned you out again)Like an anklebiting
chihuahua.Utah Fans, everyone knows that you are there.Yep, we know that Utah is the sexy boy on campus. And Utah was invited not
because they needed an extra body for the PAC XII championship, but for your
award winning athletic program that garnered so very many WAC, and MWC
championships across the board.That's why the PAC picked them up so
very fast and they are the showpiece of the PAC, with all those games on TV.(Old or new contract, if they thought Utah would sell advertising, Larry
Scott would have them on National TV every week.)So bark, little
doggies, bark, and scare the big, bad shadows away.
More than anything this is just Mendnehall covering political bases, and the Big
12 has yet to make any firm offers. The only firm "No" to any
potential offers has come from Notre Dame. Holmoe has thrown enough politicl
bones (accomodating Utah State) in his own house to get this through the LDS
Church senior leadership, but the only unknown is the reaction since this is
happening at least 2 years earlier than I think the administrators at BYU felt
it could happen. Exit strategy in a highly amicable way from the WCC will be
paramount to getting this league detination approved. But if the Big 12 is
turned down by BYU's governing board, this will not give much hope to the future
of that league, despite the best efforts of Texas and Oklahoma.
RedUteBegging for a little attention? Sorry to disappoint you, but
you're already had your moment in the spotlight. Now it's time move on.Enjoy middle of the PAC mediocrity -- 6th or 7th was it? I'd say,
enjoy your own game this week, but KJZZ doesn't broadcast in Washington, does
it?Oh well, at least you have one game on ESPN, courtesy of your big
@Mildred in Fillmore...We are not interested in any BCS
conferences...And no BCS conference is interested in Cougars so
far...So I guess the feeling is mutual...hahaha"This move
to independence was well thought out..." Well...Lavell Edwards said. Im still pretty close to the people involved there. This
just came out of the blue.(should be out of the Red as in the Red is
moving up and Blue should move somewhere too)
I checked out the TV schedule here in the Midwest for this weekend's games: BYU
on national TV. Utah nowhere to be found. Enough said.
@ RedUteYou utes are just lucky that Texas and the other teams that
were invited to make a PAC 16 turned it down, after Colorado accepted, becauase
that created a need for Team # 12---the Utes. I think that while Utah has some
great potential in the PAC, so did Arizona and Arizona State when it went from
the PAC 8 to the PAC 10. How well have they fared in the PAC 10 over the
years?Face it, your current rival is now (laughable) Colorado. You
need to play BYU.....more than they need to play U.It will take Utah
3 seasons to win a grand total of 10 PAC 12 Conference Games.Mark it down.
You probably will defeat Montana State in SLC on Thursday Sept 1st. I'll give
you that victory before the game kicks. But no others. At midnight Sept 17th
you'll likely be 1 - 2.
The trib is reporting that BYU will not accept an invite to the Big12, unless it
is just in football. The LDS church is not going to let BYU take an invite from
the WCC and then back out of the agreement with the WCC when something better
comes along. If BYU does not get an invite from the Big12, because
they will not leave the WCC, then this whole independence thing was a mistake.
Why did BYU make such a knee jerking immediate reaction to Utah going to a BCS
conference? This could come back to hurt.
@ Veritas AequitasActually, I am a BYU fan. I hate Utah. I'm just
being a realist. BYU would GLADLY go to the Big 12. You know it and I know it.
To say they are 'happy' playing Idaho State, New Mexico State, and Idaho is
flat out disingenuous.
UncleRico: BYU didn't make a knee jerk reaction to Utah's going to the pac 12 at
all , going independent had been in the works for quite some time. You don't
make that kind of decision without alot of research. Getting an invite to
a BCS conf. isn't as big a deal as many are wanting to make it, exposure is the
most important thing and BYU is getting plenty of it without belonging to a BCS
conf.. I commented yesterday that BYU wouldn't leave the WCC if it meant
reneging on an agreement, so unless there was an agreed upon clause to let BYU
leave when ever they wanted BYU won't just renege and pull out. Integrity, and
honesty are far more important.
Those BYU fans who are or would be frustrated if BYU doesn't get into a BCS
conf. are missing to big picture. BYU doesn't need to be in a BCS conf. they can
do fine without it and they won't have to adhere to any conference rules etc.
They can make decisions based on what is good for BYU, without worrying about
what other schools feel. Exposure couldn't be much better than it is and that is
the major objective. Sports wise BYU can succeed and improve, they can get into
BCS games and even a NC game, all they need to do is win. That would be the same
even if they were in a BCS conf.. Look at Arizona and Arizona St, they bolted
to the big PAC10 35 yrs ago and it hasn't done them much good, how many BCS
games have they been in? How many NC games? Zero. BYU doesn't need a conf.
affiliation to succeed.
Let's play a little game. Let's pretend for a minute that:-All of
the facilities, HD broadcast, etc, were built solely for the purpose of showing
devotionals on campus and nobody ever thought they could be used for sports. -BYU was completely blindsided by Utah's departure and had no idea what
to do with themselves so they "knee-jerked" and declared
Independence.-The Cougars are overwhelmed in their first year as an
Independent, lose 7 games and ESPN says "From now on we will only broadcast
our contractual four games a year-no more of this every game business" so
all the rest of the games are relegated to BYU tv-Scheduling never
improves from the first year Independent schedule with less than 12 months to
schedule an entire season, and BYU plays 5 WAC teams at home every year for the
next decade, and can only manage to fill up 2/3 of their stadiumIn
this wildest fantasy of Ute trolls, how can even the most embittered poster
think that this is worse than the MWC days? More money and more exposure in the
nightmare of all nightmares than in the MWC. How is this terrible?
B : As BYU's independence progresses the schedule will progress. Playing the
Idaho States, New Mexico States etc will only last as long as needed until the
scheduling works itself out. I'm not so sure BYU will jump at the chance to go
to the big 10, IMO they should n't. Belonging to a BCS conf. isn't as neat and
great a thing as many want to make it.
Happy as an independent?Really?BYU would give up all the
glory of independence in an instant for an invitation from the BIG 12.After a feigned display of turmoil over the decision to dump independence and
the WCC, the spin will be glorious to behold as the vaunted BYU PR machine
launches into action to explain that they were really just kidding over the last
year about the magnificence of independence.
byu will go to big 12 and win it all the time just to proove there so good then
go independent again to make $5million a game from espn and showing games in
China and stuff.
@ CaptainLThe way I see it, the Big 12 (10, 9 whatever it is now) is
going to be a safe harbor for BYU if the 'Super Conferences' form. I don't
think that will happen for a while, but BYU wouldn't pass up the opportunity to
bring in OU, Texas, K-State, KU, Okla State, and Texas Tech. I just don't see
BYU saying 'no.'
Just one small problem with staying independant. The home schedule is terrible.
Everything is always about going somewhere exotic and giving the players a great
life experience according to Bronco. The tribune was corrent when they said
there are 64000 reasons to go to the big 12. The home fans who continue to pay
more each year for those tickets are getting the shaft. Have you seen the
basketball home schedule this year? It is pathetic. How about giving the home
season ticket holders a life experience Bronco and Tom. Afterall, we helped
build this program just like you guys and look what we have to show for it. A
pathetic home football and basketball schedule.
@fan32"The home schedule is terrible."**********But, but, but, didn't Holmoe tell us that his phone was ringing off the
hook with teams wanting to play BYU?What went wrong?
Re:CaptainLIf it had truly been in the works for a while, the first
year of independence they would have not had to play 5 Wac teams.
What channel is Utah's football game on Thursday?
Keep in mind that the "Big 12 invitation" rumor is pretty much a local
rumor. There is hardly any talk about BYU in the midwestern U.S. right now.The independent BYU football schedule is pretty soft this season (aside
from the first couple of games), but I think that is mostly because most big
name schools are scheduling several years out. The Y's football schedule
definitely gets tougher in future seasons.
You all are really fooling yourselves if you don't think all the politicians in
Texas won't get the rest of the Texas universities but allow BYU. Wake up,
UTEP, SMU, Rice, Houston will all get in before BYU.It is funny to
watch BYU fan puff their chest about how great independence is and then salivate
and foam at the mouth for a BCS conference invite in such a short period of
@ouisc"Keep in mind that the "Big 12 invitation"
rumor is pretty much a local rumor. There is hardly any talk about BYU in the
midwestern U.S. right now.The independent BYU football schedule is
pretty soft this season (aside from the first couple of games), but I think that
is mostly because most big name schools are scheduling several years out. The
Y's football schedule definitely gets tougher in future seasons."1) I live in the midwest, and there is lots of talk about BYU moving to the
Big12 out here. Read the newspapers from Dallas, San Antonio, Houston,
Oklahoma, etc. and they are all mentioning BYU. Even ESPN mentioned BYU. 2) BYU's schedule includes a team from the SEC, Big 12, & 2 Pac12
teams. TCU will be in the Big East next year. I would definitely not call
BYU's schedule "soft". They have some soft games, but the schedule
overall is not soft. You want to see soft? Look at Utah's football
opponent this Thursday. Go Cougs!
UncleRico: It's not me saying it was in the works for a long time, it's Holmoe
and the administration. I prefer to believe them.
@Uncle Rico: Read the article a little more closely...the only ones at LDS
Church headquarters that don't want BYU to make this move are the very small
minority that want BYU athletics scaled back to WCC levels (football dropped) or
gone the way of Rexburg. They (this minority) also don't want Utah State
deep-sixed any further by both Utah and BYU being in BCS leagues. While it
might seem silly and trivial to some and very un-faith promoting to others,
perhaps some of the more serious disagreements among st senior leaders of the
LDS Church are over the future of the academic mission of BYU (teaching vs.
post-graduate research) or its athletic affiliations. There are those that have
never gotten over BYU becoming a bigger more powerful school academically or
athletically than Utah State, despite that being now half a century ago.
Always the bridsmaid, never the bride. Keep stiring those Big XII rumors. The
phone is still not ringing. The call will probably come as soon as the cougars
1st BCS bowl invite.
@ouisc The first email I received this morning was from a friend in Kansas
wanting to know what I thought about BYU joining the Big 12. Maybe you need to
get out more.
SLCBYUfan: Where are you coming up with your comments from, your statements are
all your own opinion without any facts. Your making alot of assumptions. Have
you talked to those at church headquarters? I doubt it. Where are you coming up
with your comments about not wanting BYU athletics to move past WCC levels. Most
of what you said has no factual basis. Your comments about Utah State and the
leaders of the church are ridiculous. It is obvious you want BYU to get
into a BCS conf. real bad, (to bad IMO), BCS conf. affiliation isn't that cool,
BYU athletics can be great without it.Belonging to a BCS conf.would be
safe and easier and I'm not saying it would be bad but it's not needed and not
as cool and neat as your wanting to make it out to be.How much good has it
done for Arizona or Arizona St, not much. It is good financially but BYU will
make plenty of money as an independent. You act like it is a must do thing to
get into a BCS conf., it isn't, we can play just as many or more top teams as
The question is not IF an invite will come, but what stipulations will it have
hen it does. If the Longhorn network is enough to divorce the UT and A&M
couple, do we think that the Big-XII will say...'yeah of course, BYU, do what
you want with your network.'I have my doubts about that.Cougar_Independence | 8:49 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011 OMAHA, NE "What
channel is Utah's football game on Thursday?" Since you don't
get KJZZ in Omaha, you can catch the game live on the internet at UtahUtes.com.
I feel for all of you Cougs. Your best chance at a joining a BCS conference is
desperately jumping into a rats nest of a conference. It wasn't bad enough that
you have had to live in Utahs shadow over the last decade, but now you'll have
to be happy with the Longhorn's annoying cousin. Nothing is sweeter than
watching this slow motion train wreck from the comfort of my PAC 12 couch. Go
@CaptainL: Obviously you don't understand the politics or are completely
clueless about the "Unwritten Order of Things." If BYU doesn't get
into a BCS conference with this invitation, then they can kiss joining a
super-league that will likely evolve in 1-2 decades good-bye.
And the BYU obsession continues. Less than two days away from their
first PAC 12 era football game and all they can think about is BYU's imminent
invitation to the Big 12. After more than a year of build up to the PAC 12, it's
killing them that BYU is poised to steal all of their thunder before the mighty
Utes play their first PAC 12 conference game.How very sad.But, cheer up, there's still one brief flicker of light ahead; one brief
shining moment when U can move out of obscurity into the bright light of an ESPN
national broadcast...courtesy of your big brother down south.
Everybody Chill! As a College football and BYU fan, I am glad the U got the
invite to the PAC and I hope BYU gets to go to the BIG 12! Great football games
in the State of Utah! If anyone thinks BYU is in a better position now than
going to a BCS conference (even an unstable Big 12) has been drinking to much of
the Blue Koolaid! If the Y cannot get into a conference, than they will be left
out if they all go to 16 teams, then BYU will be back playing in the MWC and
will not be relevent on a national stage ever again! I am also tired of people
saying BYU will offend the WCC! Since when did the Y worry about it's image,
after they left the MWC high and dry or was it the WAC 13 years ago? Turn down a
BIG 12 invite and thats when the arragance of BYU will really offend the Big 12
@jjjhs"It is funny to watch BYU fan puff their chest about how
great independence is and then salivate and foam at the mouth for a BCS
conference invite in such a short period of time."Puffing ones
chest out is relevant to what it's compared to. As what I can recall over the
past year of Ute hype to the Pac 10.2 it would appear that BYU fans are just
taking a normal breath.Yes, this is what life is about for a
nationally recognized athletic program. BYU gets awards, recognition, recruits,
and a whole lot of media exposure and attention grabbing headlines.It's several of you Ute fans that are hyper-ventilating on these daily
articles of a rumored BCS invitation. It's all so so funny.As I
travel tomorrow evening I'm ever so grateful for the internet, my cell phone
provider and broadcast radio. I'll be able to 'tune in' to my precious Utes ESPN
700 AM stream and hear all about the game.And while I'm in the
middle of the heartland of this great country in a rinky dink little town next
to nowhere I'll be watching BYU and Ole Miss.Jealous much?
As a Big XII fan and someone who lives in XII country, I'm looking forward to
welcoming BYU into the conference. Hopefully, for the 2012 football season.
A series of observations:Coach Mendenhall, as usual, is reasonable
in his "take" on things. He knows that the Cougars need to earn a BCS
bid, while many of the BYU Faithful believe they have already done it.I chuckle every time I read an article or a comment indicating "we are
happy as a football independent," considering that the Cougars have yet to
play a SINGLE game since leaving the MWC.I really am happy being
Charlize Theron's boyfriend. We haven't gone out yet, but.....BYU's
move to independence may have been due, in some part, to Utah's move to the
Pac-12. But to suggest it was a knee-jerk decision arrived at since the Utes
left the MWC is silly. The Cougars would have needed ESPN to agree to what many
of you propose was a harebrained decision. The Worldwide Leader is too smart
for that.I wish BYU success, whether as an independent, or as a
member of another conference. But you've got to admit, if they are invited to
join the Big-12 and leave the WCC and independence for what most believe is a
better option, the discussion that ensues will be entertaining!
B | 7:02 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011 Logan, UT @ Veritas AequitasActually, I am a BYU fan. I hate Utah. ===OK, so let's take
you at your word, and use your scenario."And every boy would
rather go to the dance by himself. And he is not excited at all by the rumor
that one of the 'hot girls' in school might ask him to go with her."While he did not have a date, he hooked up with an older buddy (let's
say ESPN") and who fixed him up with a new concept. 'Hot older women'.Now the rumors start about the 'hot girl' at school. People
in life move on to bigger and better things.
So if an invite from the Big 12 never comes, what's next? Independence doesn't
have that same excitement anymore does it? Out of all this BIG 12 hype, it is
fairy clear that BYU fans are truly fearful of independence. They know this move
in a few seasons could relegate their program to a second tier status. Word of
advice, you may want to make a quick call to the MWC and do a huge Mea Culpa. It
could be the one thing that will save you.
Wow, I can't believe all the discussion going on in this post about BYU and the
Big 12. Word got back to this part of the country (Big 12 Country) that the
president of BYU made an announcement that BYU would remain independent even if
an invitation came from the Big 12. This was not what Big 12 fans wanted to
hear since BYU was on the short list of possible schools to invite for
membership. The Big 12 is now looking at other schools to invite. Based on what I have read at Big 12 member sites, Big 12 members still want
the conference to remain as a 10 member league. This setup will allow all
members to play each other every year in football and they will play each other
twice in basketball. Should Texas A&M decide to leave the conference, only
one school will be invited to replace A&M. BYU is far outside
the Big 12 footprint, but it would certainly be a welcomed addition. I hope BYU
would reconsider its position on this matter.
The whole sports world, including the WCC, knows that BYU independence and WCC
affiliation is a temp thing and a stepping stone to something else.
The bitterness is unbelievable. Time will tell what happens with BYU and the
conference landscape. I can't wait for 10 espn games and byutv replays.
A couple of simple points to the "BYU isnt really invested in going
independent" crowd. Money drives college football and while BYU does
have various other priorities to consider (exposure, no sunday play, etc) as
long as those standards are met they are going to chase the $$$'s.under
the MWC they received between $1.2 - $1.5 Million annually (let's assume the
high count of $1.5)Independent projections were between $5.6 - $8.4
Million annually (just television rights and we will assume the low of $5.6
Million)Big 12 revenue sharing range from $9.8 - $14.2 Million annually
(even assuming the low in the uneven sharing where BYU would NOT be slotted,
realistically they are around the $12 Million range, again just television
rights)final standings Independence is greater than MWC ($5.6 Million vs
$1.5 Million annually) Big12 is greater than independence ($9.8 Million vs $5.6
Million). Independence was the right choice vs MWC and Big12 is the right
choice vs Independence. Again no invitation has arrived and may not come at all
but if it does and the Big12 remains viable longterm BYU will join. plus its a
Notre Dame is not as interested in the Big 12 because they already have a sweet
BCS deal. I hate the BCS but we have to take the invite. "All
BYU has to do is win." Bah. BYU has to be #1 or undefeated and #2 in the
BCS poll to get an invite to the BCS NC. (There is no real NC.) Have you been
paying atention to Boise St., TCU, and Utah? You can't compare our
independence to N.D. On the other hand, if we join the Big 12, then
2011 is just a practice year.
SLC BYU Fan:"But if the Big 12 is turned down by BYU's
governing board, this will not give much hope to the future of that league,
despite the best efforts of Texas and Oklahoma."Hahahaha! This
is CLASSIC frantic and emotional cougar fantasy. There hasn't been ANY reports
that the Y's governing board is considering declining a Big XII invitation.
There also aren't reports of the Big XII inviting the cougars. The closest we
have are Big XII officials waiting to see what Texas A&M is going to do, and
then react.It's obvious the key players here are:1.
Texas A&M. They will set the whole chain in motion2. The Big XII.
Their actions are contingent on A&M's.3. Notre Dame. Pipe dream.4. Arkansas. Pipe dream II.The cougars would like to believe
they'll be the Big XII's #5, but they won't. That'll be Oklahoma. The Sooners
will have no trouble getting another invitation from the Pac-12, and such an
invitation would most likely result in a 2nd as a traveling partner. If that
2nd is extended to a Big XII team, that conference folds; with or w/o the
toosmartforyou:"You utes are just lucky that Texas and the
other teams that were invited to make a PAC 16 turned it down,...becauase [sic]
that created a need for Team # 12---the Utes."There really
hadn't been any evidence that the Utes wouldn't have gotten invited anyway.
But, there is substantial evidence that the Y won't be "lucky" enough
to receive an invitation to the Big XII unless Texas A&M turns down the Big
XII. Such as...the existence of a conference named the "Big XII" with
only 10 teams. Nebraska and Colorado left 2 vacancies, and the Big XII declined
to replace them. There's also a lot of reports coming out of the
Big XII that says 9 teams won't do, and that if the Aggies leave, they'll go
searching for a replacement. Then, and ONLY then, might the Y get a look.
Houston, SMU, TCU, Memphis, Tulsa, Air Force, Colorado St....Slim pickings.[I wonder why I've never heard Southern Mississippi mentioned. They
have good football, close proximity, and dips into SEC country.]If
the Big XII wanted the Y, the Y wouldn't have joined as an honorary member of
I haven't seen any articles wherein the cougars are compelled to reject the Big
XII by church leaders. What I have seen, is an article authored by Kurt
Kragthorpe where he speculates a "what if?" scenerio..."If they choose to remain independent, BYU officials will cite the
schools mission of advertising the LDS Church nationwide and some loyalty to the
West Coast Conference, which is accommodating basketball and other
sports."Note that the first word in the Kragthorpe musing above
was "IF"; not "when".And that quote was
immediately followed by:"Yet the reasons to jump far outnumber
and outweigh the motivation to stay. BCS access, other bowl possibilities, BYUs
positioning itself for future movement and the context of a conference race all
are critical. Coach Bronco Mendenhall and athletic director Tom Holmoe keep
talking about the 'risk/reward' of independence, but whats really at stake when
any record between 6-6 and 11-1 leads to the same postseason
destination?"Besides, cougar homer Jay Drew wrote another
article titled: "If superconferences are coming, Cougars want in".Not much to "read between the lines" there now, is there?
I love how ute trolls are the ultimate authority on what the Big 12 will do,
what BYU will do, and how it will effect BYU.Classic utah troll
insecurity."we have a PAC 10.2 deal...""we have
more money...""we are in a BCS conference...""we
are better than BYU...""But let's go tell BYU fans and BYU
itself on their boards, what is going to happen, what they should do, and how it
will effect them."really?IF I were a utah fan I
would turn around, and never think of BYU again. I would start looking forward,
not back. I wouldn't give BYU a second thought.The fact that you
can't says a lot about your own insecurities, the emotional investment in hating
BYU, and the fact that you know you haven't got a whole lot to cheer about.Whatever BYU does, or doesn't do has no bearing on you or what your team
does. How pathetic it is that hate something so much that you can't move on.BYU will be just fine, regardless of what u trolls think.
I think it is ridiculous that people assume that if BYU fans are interested in a
potential B12 invite then obviously the Independence was all hype and/or fans
are scared of Independence. This is a classic either/or fallacy. "Either
Independence was a good idea OR you want into the B12". Both can be and
ARE true!Independence is an obvious step up from the MWC in terms of
money, exposure and even scheduling. The very fact that BYU instantly signed an
8 year contract with ESPN adds to the national weight, prestige and perception
of the Cougars. Being Independent has ALREADY massively increased the exposure
for BYU. A potential invite to the B12 may potentially limit the TV appearances
but will still provide MUCH more exposure for BYU. If BYU plays Texas and/or
Oklahoma you know it will be broadcast (see 2009 and again this year-and
incidentally that is better than Utah's draw with USC). BYU may not
accept the offer, or it may never be offered, but BYU is still in a much better
place than they were in the MWC, no argument.
ESPN announcing that A&M has officially announced its intention to leave the
Big 12 by June 30, 2012. Next few days/weeks are going to be really interesting.
Will the Big 12 stay together and simply replace A&M? Will they be more
aggressive and try to get back to 12 members? Or will this set off another round
of expansion by the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten, etc?
@ RepresentBlue Wouldn't it be hilarious if BYU and Utah ended up in
the same conference?2 days ago - Front page news in Kansas City that
Misouri could follow Texas A&M to the SEC. Feels like a long shot to me, but
the Big 12 could soon be the Big 8.
Seafarer,Hopefully you don't think of all Utah fans as
"trolls." I certainly don't feel like a troll.I readily
admit that as a lifelong Ute fan, I am still, and probably always will be
interested in BYU athletics.I got my undergraduate degree there.As I have moved around the country, and lived overseas, I have
discovered that >80% of sports fans in my wards/branches have been BYU fans.
There's no getting away from them if you want to remain an active Mormon!Half of my family are avid Cougar fans.They are the flagship
team for my religion.The fan-bases are right on top of each other.
Proximity won't allow us to ignore one another as you suggest.That
being said, I believe that BYU would be better served in a BCS conference.
Based on their performance on the field, they have certainly earned it. And
whether the Cougars go to another conference or remain independent, out of
choice or necessity, I wish them well.Except on 17 SEP, of course!
9:07 PM 8/30Montana State weak?Compared to Idaho
State?Fair enough.Idaho State is 3 and 31 over the last
3 years.Montana State is 23 and 12 over the last three years.Idaho State has not had a winning season since 2003.Montana
State has not has a losing season since 2001.Idaho State has WON 16
games OVER the last 7 YEARS.Montana State has WON 16 games OVER the
last 2 YEARS, 50 OVER the last 7 YEARS.Idaho State is arguably one
of the worst football teams in America at any level of college competition.Of course, Idaho State is superior to Idaho, New Mexico State and San
Coach Mendenhall specifically stated that the only thing lacking is BCS
affiliation. Independence was much better for exposure than was the MWC.
however, a BCS conference affiliation will generate even more exposure than will
IF and it is a big IF the Big XII invites BYU we will only hear about it if they
say yes. All of the work will be behind the scenes. The BIG XII will not let the
public know if BYU says, "No we are going to stay the course". They
will not go through the humiliation of that. If they get turned down by BYU they
will publicly say that BYU was not a good fit.
As a BYU fan , I want what is best for BYU, I'm not opposed to joining a BCS
conf. it would make things easier but I also don't think we need to be desperate
to get into a BCS conf. The money is always important, but not the most
important. Joining a BCS conf. would be good for the rest of the sports programs
at BYU but I'm not sure what was said to the WCC. I know BYU will want to do the
ethical thing and if leaving the WCC would be unethical BYU won't do it. There
is more to think of regarding this situation than just football.
My predictation : None --- But I"M looking forward to seeing the games and
hope they play well.
Chris B's psychiatrist,Seriously, the name? I think someone has a
little too much time on their hands or just really into internet verbal brawls
or something.Cougs need to stick to their guns. They wanted the
Independence status for certain reasons. They have pro's and cons, but I do
think that they did that out of retaliation to Utah (not just because I'm a U
fan). I think it could have been more thought out- after all, it is a big change
and affects their whole athletic department.Just a thought though,
would the Cougar's basketball team thrive more playing Kansas every year? I
think the big 12 would definately help the other teams MUCH more than the WCC
(Wait... what conference is this again?). As far as national exposure goes, I do
believe that the Big 12 would expose them better nationally in ALL their
sports.But, I think they need to stick to their guns to avoid a lot