Maybe I don't understand. Phillips expects to have a scholarship when he is
I hope Drew Phillips ends up in a good spot playing football somewhere. I was
looking forward to seeing him play in Provo with that tremendous speed. Maybe
there is still time to reverse his decision.
I was looking forward to seeing this guy play. His footage looked amazing. I
know he had issues, but he is still young and I think he should have been given
more time.I still support my cougars.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.byu will never be a top
program as they simply can't recruit(or keep) athletes. This guy
was one of maybe 10 true athletes on the entire team. He's likely
looking for BCS quality teammates, BCS quality coaches, to play in a BCS game,
and be in a BCS league.This kid is counting his blessings tonight
his time in the bubble is over.
I cannot believe BYU put his name out like that to be publically humiliated by
the national media.I thought BYU was all about forgiveness. BYU will never be an
elite program until they drop all academic standards.BYU threw
Phillips under the bus as a knee-jerk reaction to Utah being invited to the
PAC-12. (I thought I'd try and hit all the talking points for the
alumni house kids.)
Just like Chambers was never going to come back. Both Chambers and Phillips
will be suited up next year.
Phillips, a freshman who redshirted last season, announced via Twitter Thursday
night that the school has pulled his scholarship. While he later deleted that
tweet, he subsequently reiterated several times that he won't be returning to
play for the Cougars.Does DN read everybody's Twitter or are you
relying on hearsay (since you didn't mention how this "fact" came to
Maybe he had better consider putting football on the back burner for now and get
his academics in order so that he can get his football scholorship back.
Hopefully he can get the academic thing straightened out and be back on the
team. If it doesn't work out then best of luck to him.
Thanks Chrissy. What we would we do without you to enlighten us?
Chris B - not even worth really commenting on but since it was designed to get a
rise out of the dominant football program in the state, I'll just say that 70%
of the PAC-12 is a joke and that is a BCS conference. Yes, Utah is in the 70%.
Watch BYU roll over these BCS cupcakes in their first 5 games. BYU 5, BCS 0. Now
take your smack talk and stay by that Olympic stadium that holds 38,000 but is
only sold out when big brother comes to town for your yearly spanking.
Errrr @ Chris B and Veritas Aequitas, ummm, WOW!!! Jeff Call got this
information from Drew Phillips, via twitter, not BYU. As far as athleticism at
BYU is concerned, tell that to Oklahoma. (your act is getting old)And BYU always, always, always matches up, if not exceeds that of the Utes
athletically. To say otherwise is as blind as is SL sports Radio or more to the
point, as is the blindness of Ute trolls on every BYU article written. The Utes
will match up athletically with Washington State and UCLA, kinda like, looks
like Tarzan, plays like Jane.The U of U lose players all the time,
the interest in such just gets buried like most Ute articles, somewhere around
High School Tennis.Many BYU fans were excited about seeing Drew
Phillips on the field, but I was far more excited about Drew getting his
education and having a great experience at BYU. As has been said and
over-stated, BYU is not for everyone. BYU is obviously for Josh Quezada and Ross
Apo and Jake Heaps and Carter Mees and Austen Jorgensen and Cody Hoffman and I
can go on forever, my man etc., etc., etc.,
I don't understand it. I thought that Coach DuPaix was working with Drew and
that the BYU Coaching staff was interested in his success. We needed him bad,
particularly for next season with JJ DiLuigi and Bryan Kariya leaving. Maybe
there is a chance he comes back? I sure hope so.
Too bad for Phillips. I hope he lands somewhere and gets to play football. I was
pretty excited to watch him play for the Cougars.
Hey... it was Phillips opportunity to blow...He has no one to blame but himself.
Obviously his academics again didn't cut the mustard the second time around.
If you don't make the minimum you don't play. That's just the way it is. It's
too bad because he is talented and would lock down depth at his position for a
couple more years. And the guy tweeted his own story to the DNews so why are
individuals laying that trip on Mendenhall and the school. And Chrissy B. is
Chrissy B....He/she just doesn't seem to be in control...so that isn't going to
change anytime soon either...and with so many comments so far out in left
field... should simply be ignored by now...
My guess is that he didn't get the grades he needed in his summer courses. When
someone is academically ineligible, that means they're on probation. There's
not a student at BYU who can continue their elegibility for school without
passing classes. I tutored a very well known BYU athlete who was facing
probation one time. He had to put in overtime on the studies to make it. Some
guys just can't or don't make the effort it takes to succeed academically, even
when talked to by coaches and assigned a tutor, etc.
@ChrisB Drew Phillips was recruited and given a scholarship as a
student-athlete. If he's looking for BCS quality teammates, BCS quality
coaches, a BSC quality game and a BCS quality league, maybe he should look for
the library first. Do they have one of those at your BSC school? It is
unfortunate that, for whatever the reason, Drew wasn't able to meet the academic
requirements of participation in BYU extracurricular activities. He will
probably be academically eligible at another school. Hope he graduates and finds
a rewarding life after football.
@logical. I know BYU fans live in the 80s. Now you are trying to take the Utes
back there with that post. Nice attempt.
Chris BYou put too much stock in the BCS. What will you do when the
BCS implodes with corruption?Just cause you keep saying it doesn't
make it true...Or don't you remember the beat down from the last
article you commented on.I guess you can't learn and old ute new
tricks.We'll see how the BCS team does on Spet 17th.
@ logical fallacyYou said "70% of the PAC-12 is a joke and that
is a BCS conference. Yes, Utah is in the 70%... Now take your smack talk and
stay by that Olympic stadium that holds 38,000 but is only sold out when big
brother comes to town for your yearly spanking. Scoreboard baby."Here's the Truth:Sagarin ranked the PAC 10 as the #1 football
conference in 2010. Utah is 7-3 against the PAC 10 schools in their last 10
gamesUtah's stadium holds 46,000 and sold out all home games last
year. I don't know if BYU sold out all games but I saw a lot of empty seats
toward the end of the seasonHow can you talk smack about the
scoreboard, the game hasn't even been played yet. Unless your referring to last
year's game or the all time series??? Where do you come up with this stuff?
I've said it before and I'll say it again.BYU will ever be a top
program if they simply recruit(and keep) athletes who want to live the honor
code and are willing to work hard enough academically to remain eligible to play
at BYU . This guy was one of at least 10 true athletes on the entire
team. That is more than any other team in the state and more than many of the
GOOD BSC teams. Most teams only have 4 or 5 elite "athletes" Others
are all position players. Phillips is likely looking for BCS(lower
intelligence and higher corruption) quality teammates, BCS quality
coaches(Higher pay and more likely to break rules for money and wins), to play
in a BCS(mock championship) game, and be in a BCS(corrupted) league.He's wishing that his academics were in line with athletic abilities so he'd
be eligible to play for the best team in Utah and one of the best programs in
the country. He is likely frustrated by higher standards, which require a higher
level of dedication to meet. If He doesn't return he'll always wonder what he
could have been at a great shcool.
U 90:Since you have such an affinity for the truth:That
number one ranking is largely due to Stanford and Oregon who U don't play this
year. Also Colorado had a 5-7 season and wasn't in the PAC last year.The PAC teams on Utah's schedule have a combined 45-62 record last year; with
California, Colorado,Ore St, UCLA, Wash St, all having losing seasons. And for empty seats you need to look no further than the Rice Bowl circa the
3rd quarter during the TCU game.
There is an NCAA rule that players have to be academically eligible? Wow, how
unfair! Then there is Miami!
Drew redshirted last year while working on academics. He does not have the
grades to maintain the scholarship. I have known plenty of students that had
their academic scholarships pulled for bad grades as well as a few players. When
my son was recruited it was amazing to see the academic support and as the coach
put it - you have to be on a mission to fail to not get a B average. Drew was on
a mission to fail.
A lot of comments on a situation that nobody really knows anything about. How
about we leave it to the student and BYU to resolve the issue and keep the
discussion to players who are activley working out in preparation of the season.
Really not fair to BYU or the student to do otherwise.
correction: BYU has High Academic Standards
"Chris B" and "logical fallacy" illustrate a point for the
rest of us which is there are really only a few fans on either side of the
rivalry that are the kind that bug us all. They're just fire starters.Those comments were ridiculous. I encourage fans on these boards to just
ignore Chris B and don't judge my beloved fan base on anything he says. Sorry
Chris B, don't mean to be a jerk but you do it to yourself.Conversely I
encourage Ute fans to dismiss the illogical posts from logicalFallacy.There's a handful of others every day that I could call out and they know who
they are...they always show up with the same mantra - which gets old and boring
anyway. Their minds won't be changed over anything...so we shouldn't
bother responding. As for the point of the article...I hope Drew finds a
good outcome to the current problem. It's always a bummer seeing a talented guy
not get to continue what he loves due to deficiencies elsewhere, but this is his
chance to learn that life is a balance and not all about football.
@U 90BYU has been averaging over 60 thousand fans per game for over
30 years!Even in the Crowton years, the low average was still over
58 thousand per game.We all know, when Utah has .500 or lower
seasons, 20 thousand fair weather fans disappear. That's when the
"Buy a Taco and get a free ticket to a Utah Football game" promotions
come out.Well, get the coupons ready, here come the Lovat years all
over again, and the return of only 25k fans in the Olympic Stadium built by the
Taxpayers of Utah.
I really hope Phillips, Putnam and Chambers come back next year. Can you imagine
how deep BYU is? Our depth is envied by BCS schools and especially by that
school up north that we regularly beat in football and basketball.I love
that BYU does not lower its standards for its students or student athletes. BYU
wins with the Honor Code and high academic standards- the same can't be said for
Miami, Ohio State, etc. as well as utah.
logical fallacy:"Now take your smack talk and stay by that
Olympic stadium that holds 38,000 but is only sold out when big brother comes to
town..."1. As had already been mentioned, Utah's stadium
capacity is well over your made-up quantity of 38K, and has been for years. 2. The ONLY school to have averaged "sold out" games over the
past 3 yrs in this state was Utah. 3. At 54-34-4 in the overall
series, Utah is the big brother. We've also been playing football longer, have
more overall wins, possess the higher W pct [ditto for the postseason], is NOT a
mid-major program, and had been the winningest team vs. AQ schools from among
the non-AQ leagues before we moved on. TCU was the #2. After Utah and TCU
leave, the Y will STILL not inherit the title for "most wins vs. AQ-league
schools".4. More fans attended Utah's games vs. TCU and Pitt
than the Y game. Attendance for the Y came in THIRD. Out of SIX! Very
"middle-of-the-pack".Talk about "logical
Unfortunately, he seems to have forgotten that the first part of
"scholarship" is "scholar" and the first part of
"student-athlete" is "student." Hopefully, he will work out
his academic struggles because, even if he does leave, that will not change.
To DrewWork hard to get back. Don't settle for lower standards.
Accept the challenge of higher standards at BYU. Many have traveled
your road and come back. Some go JC for a year, others stay in school and walk
on when their grades are back up. Get your grades up and your new scholarship
will be there for you.Take it as personal challenge to achieve your
highest potential. You can take easier routes to be sure, many schools have
lower standards, but places like BYU and Stanford don't.Hang in
there, get back here, and the fans will welcome you back with open arms.
RaininTime,You missed the mark with Veritas. His post was quite simply the
compilation of all thoughts Ute trolls before they ignorantly throw out their
inflammatory false comments. Re-read his post with rose-colored glasses then you
will understand how he mocks the trolls who have no clue to reality or regard
Naval VetSo if BYU is just a mid major, not worthy to loose the
strap of the might utes, and cannot be mentioned in the same sentence...Why do you personally feel the need to come to BYU articles to prove you
are better?Fine, we get it. You think you're better, we get it. So
go be better.However, since you seem not to be able to...Who are you trying to convince?
Bluto,I'm not blasting BYUs attendance, just helping your friend
"logical fallacy" understand that contrary to his post, Utah sold out
all home games for the past several years.Regarding your dig on tax
payer money that helped build RES, do you think any of my tithing money was used
to build LES?
@ logical fallacyJust some facts for you. According to the NCAA final
attendance figures for the 120 FBS schools in 2010, Utah was ranked 11th with a
capacity percent of 100.98. BYU was ranked 38th with 95.84.
Chris B and Ver A-How's this for a little sad fact, USC could do
better than UTAH in the South conference but because USC is ineligible from
competing for a conference championship, Utah could get a chance anyways. A
chance when they didn't earn it, how sad is that?
The problem with many if not most young folks of this age is that they do not
realize that the game of life has started. They still think they are kids and
can just focus on having fun. The things that seperate the successful from
others is early realization that when high school is over, the days of fun and
games are over. When high school is over, their work life has begun and they
need to be mature, work hard, get their priorities right, and become responsible
adults. Kids that don't understand this seem to coast along as if they were
going to life forever only to find that at 30 they don't have a career or
prospects for having one.
Phillips was a 2-star RB anyway. No big loss.
@U 90Common misconceptions about BYU. Tithing does not go toward
sports. Never has, never will. Look it up if you don't believe me. Also and interesting concept is forced vs. voluntary. You are forced to pay
your taxes. If you support Utah athletics or you don't, you have zero choice in
not supporting them financially without the consequences of jail time. No one is forced to support BYU.
Starfarer:Who am I trying to convince? Well...I've convinced YOU!
You didn't/couldn't refute ONE thing about my post. The facts were on my side.
Yet, despite being 100% right, and logicalfallacy was not, you decided to go
after me rather than him. You don't care about "truth". You live for
the "fantasy"; the sort manufactured by disingenuous Y fans like
logicalfallacy. It's people like you and him that is the reason I stop by here
from time to time.
Prolly the fastest college player in the history of this state.
@U 90To answer your question...and contrary to popular Ute
spin.....No, not one dime of your Tithing money goes towards BYU
Athletics.This is longstanding Church policy.BYU Athletics is
self sustaining. When new facilities are constructed, the money comes from
Donors and Revenues generated through the various programs, TV, Advertising,
Ticket revenues etc.Their (BYU) facilties are paid for before they
are dedicated. As well as having mandatory multi-million dollar
"Maintenance Endowments" already in place.BYU was one of
only 4 D-1 Football programs which were in the Black last year.Not one
dime of titihnig is available to BYU Athletics.Sorry to burst your
correction...Not one dime of "Tithing" is used.when will the D-news install an edit button?
This is terrible news. Drew proved he was a quick, tough, shifty runner during
his prep career. He had incredible speed. His senior season highlight reel on
youtube is something to behold. That kid would have been tons of fun to watch
at BYU. Very unfortunate we lost him.
I hope Drew finds a way to make it back to good standing. I was excited to see
how fast he actually is on the field. It isn't easy to be an athlete at BYU.
First, you must be a good athlete. Second, you must be bright or have the
determination to study hard. Third, you must have the will to maintain your
religious convictions and stay morally clean. These facts make me appreciate
athletes that are able to excell at BYU even more. Good luck Drew and Go Cougs!
@FYIYou stated:"Just some facts for you. According
to the NCAA final attendance figures for the 120 FBS schools in 2010, Utah was
ranked 11th with a capacity percent of 100.98. BYU was ranked 38th with 95.84Wow, is that not some Desperate Spin? You're joking, right?By those standards Montana has U beat.Now, let's look at the
numbers that matter. Actual number of fans attending the games..BYU
still hovers around Top 25 in Football attendance, as they have been doing for
30 years now.side note: BYU was ranked #5 in Basketball attendance,
last year.Last year, BYU, in a down year, still ranked 27th among
all D-1 Schools in attendance. Which places them (BYU) above evey
Pac 12 School, with the exceptions of USC and Washington. In other
words, BYU would rank 3rd in attendance in the Pac 12.Utah couldn't
even crack the Top 50, coming in at #52 in attendance at 45k per game in
"Taxpayer Olympic Stadium".This puts Utah next to dead
last in attendance in the Pac 12, only Washington State averaged fewer fans than
Utah.Nice attempt at spin, kind of pathetic really.
Naval Vet - a big shot in his own mind. He calls BYU a 'mid-major', referring to
the football program .. lol. That's a term that some bigger
"basketball" conferences call other, smaller conferences to make
themselves feel better. Keep your condescending terms straight, skippy.Talk attendance smack to us when your stadium has "BCS" capacity,
like LES does. Then your percentage will have some meaning. See you on the 17th
of September. Hope your team picks up the offense by then.Go
Bluto -You said - "BYU was one of only 4 D-1 Football programs
which were in the Black last year."I won't say you're wrong but
you need to show me some proof on that one. That sounds absolutely ridiculous
when it's common knowledge that most football programs FUND the other less
popular sports.4 D-1 football programs were in the black? Uhmm,
again...please prove that one.
I think it is easy to forget how hard BYU really is academically. I transferred
to BYU from UNLV back in 1988. I had a 3.9 GPA at UNLV and worked 30 hours a
week. I graduated from BYU with a 3.3 and really only worked during the summers.
Law school was not as difficult as my undergraduate degree from BYU. I cussed
the school for a number of years, but now I am very, very grateful for how
challenging it was. BYU is not for everyone. Phillips may need to go to a school
that is less challenging academically. I also really looked forward to watching
him play. Good luck Drew!!
"A chance when they didn't earn it, how sad is that?"Just
like BYU "earned" that mythical national championship.
Bluto -Your accusations of "spin" are hilarious for one
who doesn't know any other way. As per your response to the very comment you
ridiculed as "spin."No credibility bro, you've destroyed that
Naval Vet | 10:26 a.m. Aug. 19, 2011 Philadelphia, PA Starfarer:"The facts were on my side. Yet, despite being 100% right, and
logicalfallacy was not, you decided to go after me rather than him."===Agreed NavalVet, logicalfallacy's post was a weak attempt
at smack talk. 70% and BCS cupcakes? I agree with you 100%.However,
you did leave out one fact that might have weakened whatever your argument
was.Which team sells more tickets? Which team has more fans show
up.How does that fact play into your point?
Utes get a little defensive of their stadium size. Of course you sell it out,
it's so tiny. Second to last in the PAC12. 38,000, 45,000, whatever. It's
dwarfed by the powerhouse to the south of you that has been getting all the
national media this year. I have a hard time remembering if you are the school
in Logan or SLC?Since 1965, the series favors BYU 29-17. That pretty
much answers the big brother question. Every single Ute knows last years win was
a fluke because they all have eyes and could see the knee was down. The refs
ignored the rules. You were dominated in that game and had it not been for the
refs refusal to make the right call, you would have finished the year with a
strong 1-5 record after being ranked #4l That will most likely enter the CF Hall
of Fame as the most over ranked season in the history of CF.
BlueNtheFace:"Talk attendance smack to us when your stadium has
'BCS' capacity, like LES does. Then your percentage will have some
meaning."Fat lotta good all that attendance did for you.
You've NEVER played your way to a BCS Bowl invitation, and you've NEVER been
invited to join a BCS conference. You can try to spin it anyway you want, but
your invitation to join the WAC will NEVER measure up to Utah's relationship
with the Pac-12. Perhaps you should try to accomplish even ONE of those feats
before talking ANY type of smack to your big brother on the hill.Until then, have fun down there in the mid-majors.
Ms Molli | 11:20 p.m. Aug. 18, 2011Bountiful, UtahDoes DN read
everybody's Twitter or are you relying on hearsay (since you didn't mention how
this "fact" came to your attention? ------------If
you play any sport at BYU (especially football) and have a twitter account, most
likely every desnews writer follows you on twitter
Naval Vet Merely pointing out the fact that it is pathetic that utes
are in such need of validation that they have to come to BYU articles to argue
superiority.If you read my posts, I am not about proving BYU is
better unless it is secondary to making fun of ute fans who have this
unfathomable need to come comment on BYU articles.Truth is, I don't
care if you think you're better. I don't care what stats you bring to the
table. I don't read ute articles, nor look up how many people sit in your
stadium. It means next to nothing to me how many wins you have, what conference
you play in, how much money you make, if your dad can beat up my dad, or if your
children are smarter than my children.What you fail to understand is
that you come to BYU looking for a fight.What does that say about
you?I can leave utah completely alone because they mean nothing to
me.Can you, and the other ute fan / BYU haters do the same?
Athletes have all kinds of people there to help them with academics and this kid
can't cut the mustard. Most people do just fine. I have heard from former
Collegiate athletes that you almost have to do nothing to not be eligable to
play. While I feel bad that he didn't make it, it is only his fault.
I am not going to assume this kid did not work hard on his academics. Some kids
just struggle to maintain both school and sports demands. He has the talent to
excel somewhere that the demands for both are not quite so high. He can still
get a degree and play the sport he loves. Just maybe not at BYU. That shouldn't
be a negative reflection on him as long as he gave it his all here.We will miss his athleticism and speed. But I have a feeling that Adam Hines
will fill that role very nicely next season and he is much bigger to boot.And Coug fans, let's remember not to respond to stupidity with
stupidity. The U is a great school with very quality kids and coaches who demand
a lot from them. That doesn't change even if a couple of their fans don't quite
rise to that level.
"22 Elite College Sports Programs Turned a Profit in 2010, but Gaps Remain,
NCAA Reports Says" Google it. That is roughly 80% running in the red.From that article:"scholarships accounted for 17
percent of athletics budgets in 2010, with programs spending a median of
$7-million annually on financial aid for athletes. Salaries and benefits for
coaches and administrative staff represented a median of nearly $16-million, or
roughly a third of all budgets"17% goes to scholarships
(Scholarships paid with funny-money. A few hundred athletes sitting in
classroom seats that would otherwise sit empty) 33% to coaches and staff. Watch the scholarship % go down for athletes as scholarships remain the
same and up for coaches and staff as salaries go up when the big bucks start
rolling in.Athletes are getting hosed...
64thBYU $36,695,623 18thStanford
$76,661,466 19thUSC $76,409,919 25thUCLA
$66,088,264 28thCalifornia $63,884,710 33rdWashington $60,729,016 36thOregon
$56,623,902 42ndArizona State $53,479,441 43rdColorado
$52,631,896 48thOregon State $47,185,827 50thArizona
$46,988,400 62ndWashington State$39,621,059 80thUtah
$26,949,005 Looks to me like Utah and BYU will
be on roughly even footing revenue wise in a few years, and Utah will be bottom
half of the PAC, probably bottom two.Aslo, aren't the Utes going to
be required to add some sports? That'll affect the bottom line.I'd
just like to see the schools spend less on training facilities and give another
$3,000 a year to athletes. (PBS' estimate of the average shortfall between
scholarships and living expenses).
ute trolls/ BYU haters think that BYU fans are delusional because they won't
submit to the ute trolls perceived superiority.What is more
delusional...A fan, who cheers for their own team regardless of what
the naysayers and ankle bitters throw at them, or...Someone who
hates a team so much that they argue with them to try to convince them that they
are wrong and that they are right.Give me all the stats you want,
argue with me until you are blue in the face, call me every name you can think
of, show me your huge coin purse, and your affiliation in corrupt club you once
despised.I will still be a BYU fan.And you will still be
delusional to think that there is something you can say to change my mind.But you'll be even more delusional because you keep trying, for the life
of me, I can't figure out what you think you will win if you keep saying it over
and over again. Do your friends give you high fives? Does your mom give you a
cookie? Are there space monkeys?Thanks for the entertainment.
In the era where face-masks have been worn, BYU has been the dominant team. Also, if you can't keep a 2.0 to 2.5 to keep scholarship, you should
maybe try being a sheepherder.
logicalfallacy:"Since 1965, the series favors BYU 29-17. That
pretty much answers the big brother question. Every single Ute knows last years
win was a fluke...You were dominated in that game..."First of
all, SCOREBOARD!LOSING does not reflect "dominat[ion]".
And the game stats bear out the following facts:1. The cougars
produced 50+ yds on their final drive. Yet despite those added yardage...2. Utah STILL had more total yds in the game. Which again, does not
reflect any "dominat[ion]" on the part your cougars.Yet
ANOTHER "logical fallacy". How embarrassing for you.
How about we wish him luck and hope for the best. I am sure he is not happy
about it either. I know I am not throwing the first stone. Then we
all look forward to a fun season and hope both BYU and Utah do well as well as a
great game if a few weeks. Am I missing something but was this not
about a player who may need our support and not our opinions? Good
Luck Drew. I for one hope to see you back in Blue.
I still don't understand. If he can't compete at BYU because of his academic
"ineligibilty", why isn't he ineligible to all universities? It's his
own fault for his failing, not the coaches.
ChrisB what an illusion. Are you insinuating he became academically ineligible
so he could play for a BCS team. This young man failed to understand the simple
rules. Go to class, keep up on your studies, go to the study hall if necessary
to keep your grades up and you will still have a scholarship. What is it about
this that you simply cannot grasp. You distaste for the Y is so
great you simply close your eyes to the obvious. CougarClaws you can
take a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. This may well be the case
with Drew. No matter how much help he gets he has to put forth some effort.
Apparently he was not involved enough to stay academically eligible. The
coaches cannot do his work for him. he has to do it himself. Maybe he was too
caught up in his self-importance to see the trees because of the forest.
I hope he did not read about Ohio and Miami and think, Wow, I could have been
making money while masquerading as a Student-Athlete so I will become ineligible
so I can transfer to one of those schools. Noway would he think
that. He just didn't do the work. Enuff said.
MJB, he would be ineligible to all schools. BYU cuts him loose he can head to a
JC and get eligible for somewhere else and prove himself on the field and in the
classroom. He won't compete for anyone but possibly a JC this year and he lost
his extra year last year as he redshirted.
Let's face the facts. It is far easier to fill up a stadium with 45,017 seats
than it is to fill up a stadium with 63,725 seats. BYU at 95% still has 15,521
more fans at a game than Utah. You can argue percentages all day
long. Utah cannot put enough fans in the stands to equal BYU. BYU
would have to drop to 70% attendance to equal Utah's sold out stadium. BYU has
41% more seating capacity than Utah. To say that Utah has a greater
enthusiasm for their team is looking in a glass darkly and not looking at the
realities of life.
Such a double standard in reporting. Phillips is front page news, Jamaal Smith
leaving Utah's football program is buried in a side note. Just
wondering what chris b thinks about his own team not beinig able to retain
talent. Is Utah's standards to high? Should they relax them chris b.?
Bluto & Ike,I would be interested in your sources/quotes from
church leaders indicating that not one dime of tithe payer money has ever found
it's way in to BYU's athletic department/facilities etc (1875 - 2011). If you
can find the quote, I will believe it.
Just a thought but didn't Brigham Young start both universities? So in essence
both are Brigham Young's Universities? 1850 University of Deseret
(Started by Brigham Young)1875 Brigham Young Academy (Started by Brigham
Young)Both are good schools. Both have a lot of good and both have
some issues. Passionate fans on both sides as well as stupid ones. (Just read
some of the comments above) A young man has some issues and it goes
from this to bragging rights? What am I missing?
@Chris B"byu will never be a top program as they simply can't
recruit(or keep) athletes."Uhhh......yyyyyyyeah, OK. We'll
remember you said that this winter during basketball season (by the way, Josh
Sharp says Hi). So if this is what you think when one guy (yet to
play a down) on a roster of 85 leaves the team, what do you say about a program
where more than half of it's roster of 14 or so leaves every year (including
their leading scorer and rebounder) and every 3 or 4 yrs they fire their head
coach (like the Runnin' Utes men's BBall team)?Glass houses.@flames6"I know BYU fans live in the 80s."And Utah fans live only in a 2 yr window from the past decade and ignorantly
disregard what their football program did during the other 100+ yrs of their
existence.It's going to be fun watching your O-line trying to
protect Jordan Wynn from USC's and the other P12 front sevens this year. With
the panic coming from up on the Hill over the horrid Fall camp results, my guess
is this season will be another one you'll choose to ignore.
Neither party is obligated to elaborate on the situation, nor should they.
Those of you who feel entitled to the details, get a life! Given BYU's history
of working with every player who falls below their standards, whatever the
violation may be, why should we even question their efforts to work with this
kid? Chambers and Davies are 2 prime examples of this. Who cares what a
newspaper reports! No one, and I mean No ONE, in Cougar Nation thinks less of
this kid for having some issues. We all wish him the best and hope he gets
things straightened out. If you don't feel that way, you are not a part of
Gotta love U fans....Drew chooses BYU and he's a subpar talent. BYU
was his only option and hes not very good anyway.Drew makes the
decision to leave BYU and now all of a sudden he's "BCS quality".
Whatever that's suppose to mean. Just like U, always wanting it both
ways. I was looking forward to seeing what Drew was all about. It
would have been awesome to see him take the field for the Cougars and Im bummed
thats not going to happen. I wont spin it like U. This is disappointing for
Naval Vet,You're about the only ute fan who isn't too embarrassed to claim
victory in last year's Holy War. Good for you.As for PHillips, I
haven't heard or read where he's been kicked off the team. It's just been his
twitter post saying his scholarship was pulled. I hope the best for him but if
he doesn't continue at BYU it's his choice to leave. I read the article about
Dallin Cutler on the SLT website and it's hard to feel bad for a kid like Drew
when there are a ton of others busting their humps on the field and in the
classroom to earn a scholarship.I'm sure Drew is a little
embarrassed, shocked and disappointed. My hope is after these emotions settle
down that he'll weigh the choices in front of him and realize if he leaves he
has to burn a year so he would be better off getting his academics in order and
sticking with the team and earning his scholarship back. If he
doesn't feel like he can cut the mustard academically at the Y, then maybe he
should try the community college up north.
So true mr. sports junkie. I remember the trash post on phillips very well.
funny how he leaves and he was the greatest thing since Herschel Walker.
@FYISo breaking that down even further basically show's Utah's avg
attendance for 2010 was 42,411 per game while BYU's 2010 avg attendance was only
61,337 with BYU only averaging 18,926 more people per game in attendance than
Utah. So BYU's ticket office cash registers went "cahching" on the
average of 18,926 times more per game than Utah's. I think that we can easily
live with that for a season that only went 7-5 ...and students didn't get free
tickets it's part of thier tuition and fees. "Ca...Ching"
So seriously, how did a thread of comments on whether or not a scholarship get
pulled turn into an argument over whose attendance percentage was higher: BYU's
or Utah's? I have a suggestion, why do we all get our laser
measurement devices and find out who has the greater distance between lines in
the parking lot. @BigCougar: Utah is not a community college by
any definition. Aren't we as Latter-day Saints obligated to be honest and
truthful?@Chris B: You do not speak for me as a Ute fan.
@Randy01"Utah is not a community college by any definition"oops, I guess I should've said "state college"? Thanks for
making the distinction.
So is this a common practice at BYU? When a scholarship is pulled they make a
public announcement about it and then DN posts it in the paper? Seems kinda
harsh to me. Glad my alma mater had more respect for its students than that.
Ms Molli: BYU didn't announce it. Drew tweeted it himself. Bronco
was just answering questions the reporters kept bugging him about. When utes leave, they don't or can't tweet, and no one cares enough to ask the