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Stephen Colbert jests about 'weird' Mormons; Bill Maher's Mormon opinion 'absurd'

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  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Mr. Maher's ratings have long been sinking into the PR toilet, it's no surprise that he now has to resort to "this" kind of low-brow bigotry and rampant intolerance. Those who give Maher any credibility, are as biased and as intolerant as he is.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    I don't mind people disagreeing with what I believe, and even poking fun at what I believe, just as long as they have their facts straight.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    No reason to believe anything that comes out of Bill Maher's mouth regarding religion. He regards all religion as crazy and anyone who subscribes to one as foolish. The irony is that he clings to his atheism as fervently as those he criticizes cling to their religion. He is as convinced he is right as religious people are convinced they are right.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Colbert can be funny. maher is dull, foul and unfunny.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Anyone who takes Bill Maher advice or even listens to him needs to be checked out. This guy is a joke! (Bad one, he was one of the worst comedians ever).He is a waste of good air.

  • justcap Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Colbert's clip was great! It was actually quite favorable to the Mormons.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    I don't konw where the idea comes from that maher is a comedian. He's a political hatchet man with a rather dull blade.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Hopefully more people will realize that Bill Maher says what he wants, regardless of the truth. He is all about what gets the biggest reaction and doesn't care about facts.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin et al., all "misrepresent" the religion, birth origin, patriotism, ethics, business acumen, educational background, and family values etc., of those whom they are well paid to attack, without mercy, on a daily basis.

    All of this expertise, creates knowing nods from those who like to see the opposition impaled on the horns of whatever the delimina of the day affords.

    When an equally disgusting "attack" is launched against a favorite son and his religion etc., protectors of the "son" or "faith" launch into selective faux outrage.

    When all is said and done, the old adage, "What goes around, comes around" seems to fit when one considers that to which we are exposed on a daily basis.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    "The irony is that he clings to his atheism as fervently as those he criticizes cling to their religion. He is as convinced he is right as religious people are convinced they are right."

    No, he doesn't. He claims he 'doesn't know'. It's in his movie religiousless. He doesn't claim to be an atheist, or that god doesn't exist, but says he doesn't know and that all the books, prophecies, practices, etc etc are bunk and just man-made nonsense.

    I do love when people do pieces on LDS though. A question to LDS members, is it not true that when you die you will be judged by Jesus Christ, God, and Joseph Smith? Or am I mistaking how important Joseph Smith is to the religion?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Maher was a lousy comedian, even worse as a Al Sharpton/Richard Simmons
    wannabe! Its tough to be a liberal....facts keep getting in the way!

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Physicians, heal thyselves.

    Growing up in Utah and called a "gentile", I can assure you that the comments made to me (and my entire family) by the LDS, were/are as harsh as anything Maher says about the LDS.

    We were told
    "We're on Abel's side, you're on Cain's side"
    "Your souls will be kept in prison."
    "I can't come to your birthday party because you're not Mormon."
    "I'd ask you out, but you're not Mormon."
    "What religion are you?"

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    From what is written in this article, Stephen Colbert's jokes about Mormon's are kind of funny. We have to laugh at ourselves a bit. On the other hand, Bill Maher has an agenda against anything virtuous, lovely, of good report or praiseworthy. There is very little positive that comes out of Bill Maher's mouth - By their fruits ye shall know them. (Matt. 7:20.)

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    My favorite thing about Maher is when he makes fun of uninformed, ignorant people who quote things out of context or inaccurately.

    He stands directly in his own crosshairs.

    To LValfre, you contradict yourself (same concept Maher has problems with). If as you say he does not claim to know whether God exists, then how can he say that "all the books, prophecies, practices, etc etc are bunk and just man-made nonsense?"

    This is my point; you can't claim ignorance and then claim all knowledge. That is why he is a hypocrite; he makes fun of people for the very same thing he is clearly guilty of.

    Poor comedy and even more poor pseudo-journalism.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Methinks they do protest too much re. Bill Maher. I love his show and think he's dead on about religion. Most of the people on this thread who say that he misrepresents their religion have no problem with going right ahead and misrepresenting his stance. I've always heard him say that he "doesn't know." But you would have to watch and listen to him to know that, wouldn't you? I'm much more comfortable with his "I've investigated and I don't know," approach, than I am with most peoples, "I haven't investigated, because I don't need to--I DO know," certainty.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Clobert was just funny.... Maher is just pathetic,

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    @bgl,

    Thank you! So many LDS 'know the truth' and don't know most of their real history. Especially the new converts from around the world who have no access to internet and are poorly educated. There was a girl i knew who had me go to church with her for months, talk to missionaries, watch movies and general conferences ... literally spent hours with her seeking the truth. She wouldn't read one negative article, questionable piece of literature, or video clip that I tried sharing with her ... some even from current LDS members! Ignorance is bliss when you're stuck in the Mormon church. Ignorance is bliss.

  • photographermom South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    Most truthful and patriotic: I am always sad when I hear stories like this because as Mormons we miss the mark and the point when we treat you and others that don't believe the way we do like that. We are not living up to our faith when we behave that way.

  • dc260 roy, ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    I'm a Mormon. Maher's a moron. If he'd just add a second 'm' then we'd have a lot in common.

  • Naruto Murray, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Colbert has got to be the funniest person on TV. He really understands the meaning of satire.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    The funny thing is, Maher is effectively trying to discredit Mormonism by comparing it to Islam.

    Now, when conservatives express concern about Islam, they're horrible racist Islamophobic nutcases, and all that.

    But let Maher do the same thing -- that is, imply that Islam is something that no self-respecting person ought to want to be compared to -- he gets a free pass.

    This flies right over the head of all right-thinking liberals. We're waiting for their condemnation of Maher as an Islamophobe.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    I try to refrain from arguing, but in response to @LValfre, Luke 22:30 and Matthew 19:28 talk about the apostle being judges too. That's kinda like colbert's line of joseph smith/gold plates/hill to moses/tablets/mountain. So I agree with what you're saying and I'd like to include the apostles and whomever else the Lord appoints to help Him.

  • cldstar Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    LValfre: We do not believe we will be judged by Joseph Smith. The Savior is the Judge. Joseph Smith is important, but as a Prophet, just as Moses, Paul, etc. are important.

    Most Truthful and Patriotic: I have never heard any LDS people speak this way. If it was done, it was a very tiny group and I apologize that they seem to represent us all in your eyes.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    "Referring to the much-reported alleged Obama campaign strategy to lob personal attacks at Republican presidential front-runner Romney and his "weird" faith,

    Question? Didn't an earlier DN article report claim that the Obama campaign was going to refer to Romney as weird? I don't recall "weird faith" as being part of the campaign. Did I miss that?

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    i thought the colbert report was really funny. any person who's seen bill maher's documentary "religulous" knows that he's very against religion in the first place. i'm sure if you asked him about catholicism he'd compare it negatively to something else, likewise with baptists, pentecostals, jehova's witnesses, etc.

    anyone can form a negative opinion on anything if all their facts come from a google search. way to look like a dumby, bill. what else ya got?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Colbert's bit about Mormons and Mitt Romney was pretty funny. I didn't take offense to it at all.

    I couldn't care less about Bill Maher since he's a lot closer to Howard Stern than Bob Schiffer.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    "We're on Abel's side, you're on Cain's side" - Most Truthful and Patriotic | 12:48 p.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    No good.

    But that's actually pretty tame in comparsion too:

    *'Buttars used 'black baby' remark again, officials say' - By Rodger L. Hardy - DSNews - 07/05/08

    'At an earlier legislative session Buttars said in referring to a bill, "this baby is black ... it's a dark and ugly thing."

    *'Sen. Orrin Hatch utters profanity about President Obama's health care reform' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar - DSNews - 03/01/11

    *'Gays, greatest threat to America, Buttars says' - By Aaron Falk - DSnews - 02/19/09

    *'Public apology needed after crude comment' - By Joseph Simmons - The Daily Utah Chronicle - 02/23/2010

    'The comments made by Salt Lake County GOP Vice Chairman Rick Votaw are a perfect example of how dialogue.. (sic)
    Votaw's comments were made in the proximity of a silent rally for gay rights, which was being held inside the state Capitol building.'

    I can't even REPEAT what GOP Vice Chairman Rick Votaw said!

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    re:MostTruthfulandPatriotic

    Well, there are many Republican LDS who view LDS Democrats as being aligned with Satan, and have stated as much on these comment boards. So, i don't doubt the ignorance, judgmentalism and insensitivity you've encountered.

    For a Church that sends young men and women all over the world it is surprising sometimes how narrow-minded some can be.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    @ LValfre

    Am I to take from your comments that you are an admitted anti-Mormon, here only to bash the faith?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    @Most Truthful and Patriotic 12:48

    I grew up on the west side of Salt Lake City between Glendale and Rose Park where the LDS kids were the minority. If I said the things you claim LDS people say, I would have had very few friends from elementary school to high school.

    M. Russell Ballard of the Twelve Apostles has given several General Conference talks addressing the very thing you mentioned. Among other things, he has chastized LDS people who have the attitude of, "If you don't like Utah, you can always move."

    @LValfre 12:41

    I don't know much about Bill Maher, except the few times I have watched "Real Time" it is so full of foul words, I end up turning the channel after a few minutes. I don't know all his views about religion, but why is it wrong for LDS people to correct something he said which is untrue?

    You say LDS people live in ignorance, yet you seem to have no problem with others distorting LDS doctrine.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    @Most Truthful and Patriotic
    "We're on Abel's side, you're on Cain's side"
    Anyone to to be as arrogant, clueless, and completely false saying this to anyone else is in for a rude awakening in the next life.
    "Your souls will be kept in prison."
    This is taken out of context, if you were told this and not told why LDS people believe in this, then you are talking to the wrong people. Spirit Prison is not like most people think, this is a place where the gospel of Christ is preached.
    "I can't come to your birthday party because you're not Mormon."
    This is sad that someone wouldnt let their child come to a birthday party and use the excuse that they are mormon. Their is no where in the Gospel of Jesus Christ where intollerance is taught.
    "I'd ask you out, but you're not Mormon."
    Youth are taught they shouldnt start dating until there sixteen and it shouldnt be steady dating. Many who arent members see this and automatically think LDS kids are to good for their kids. No so they are allowed to date whomever.
    "What religion are you
    This is offensive why?

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    1. Colbert is very funny and very talented. I loved this line:

    "The weirdest thing about him is that weird religion of his," Colbert said, tongue firmly planted in his cheek. "Mormons believe Joseph Smith received golden plates from an angel on a hill, when everyone knows that Moses got stone tablets from a burning bush on a mountain."

    What a funny and absolutely true statement. Any religious person trying to criticize Mormonism has to know he or she holds to some equally "weird" beliefs. This really is the nature of religion and why faith is such a prerequisite.

    2. We LDS need to be prepared that no matter how "normal" we try to appear or how much we try to explain our beliefs, some will always find what we believe strange and even non-Christian. I think we will find reinforced what I have often gotten from non-Mormons - "We love what you DO but find very strange what you BELIEVE."

    3. Maher is wrong about Jesus Christ within Mormonism. But would anyone walking into a random Sacrament Meeting recognize he is wrong? We DO need more emphasis in talks and lessons placed on Jesus Christ.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    @LValfre
    Yeah because whats posted online is always the truth, right...? Those poor uneducated people will never know! They are missing out on what basically anyone who has access to the internet can post on their blog!

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    "Bill Maher" + "religion" = an oxymoron. He hates all religions and has no deep understanding of any of them. (Wasn't he the one who did that "special" on world religions, mocking them all...?)

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Here's another...

    *'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11

    *'President Obama's purported 'weird'-Mormon strategy against Mitt Romney will backfire, pundits say' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 08/10/11

    Annnnnd yet Obama's campaign hasn't actually SAID anything about Romney's faith.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    "Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin et al., all "misrepresent" the religion, birth origin, patriotism, ethics, business acumen, educational background, and family values etc., of those whom they are well paid to attack, without mercy, on a daily basis."

    We know. They're not funny either.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    @Most Truthful and Patriotic

    The difficulty with comments in an open forum such as this is that rarely do people want to identify themselves with their real name. It is virtually impossible to corroborate the legitimacy of what is purported to be the truth or the embellishment of comments made.

    Race and religion haters exist in all demographics; this is true. But so do race and religion baiters. this will not occur, but dates, times and witnesses would be valuable evidence to your claims. If you are indeed "Most Truthful", divine providence will rule the day. If you are in error, the same will apply.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    "Well, there are many Republican LDS who view LDS Democrats as being aligned with Satan, and have stated as much on these comment boards."

    I haven't really seen evidence of that, personally. I think it is just easy for many LDS people to see how the Democrat platform is not in line with their beliefs, while they struggle to see that in the Republican platform. It's certainly flawed thinking, but I wouldnot go so far as to chractarize it as erroneously viewing LDS Democrats to be aligned with Satan.

  • katiefrankie Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Having been both Catholic and now a Mormon, I would LOVE to see Stephen Colbert on the Catholics' ad campaign team!!! (Still chuckling over "In your face, Mormons!") He's witty, intelligent, AND cute. What a total package. Hmm ... actually, I'd rather see him become a Mormon!

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    @Wastintime
    Its funny when your just as ignorant, judgemental and insensitive not to mention narrowminded with a comment like that. Oh wait I can call you a hypocrite also.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Colter funny. Maher ignorant.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    '...but I wouldnot go so far as to chractarize it as erroneously viewing LDS Democrats to be aligned with Satan.' - Independent | 2:37 p.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    LDS Democrats? No.

    They are reffered to as 'Libs, Liberals, or Dems' typically.

    How about another Demographic?

    'Gays are part of Satan..' - Michele Bachmann, 2004 conference

  • LDS Revelations Sandy, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Sure it's easier for LDS faithful to love Colbert because he took it easier on Mormons in his recent piece. It was more of a friendly ribbing than a critical review and it was pretty funny.

    Maher on the other hand does not work like that for the most part. His humor is more direct and pointed and yes he hits at some hard ideas ones that in this case are certainly true. Whether you like Maher or not it's still true that many evangelical conservatives don't accept Mormons as Christians. It's also true that the LDS Church has a different theology than many mainstream Christians today the Church and it's leaders when pushed admit as much. Seems to me it'd better to address the issue rather than blaming Maher. Turns out it's going to take a lot of work for the Church to undo nearly a century of separating itself from mainstream Christianity and I' m pretty sure it doesn't include giving out virtual awards for those who present Mormonism in a way the Brethren would approve of.

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Independent, I have to disagree. I have often heard LDS say, essentially, "if you're LDS and Democrat, you'd better rethink that for your salvation." As an LDS who struggles to reconcile the vast majority of the current Republican party platform and actions with LDS belief (and finds far fewer national Democrat party platform ideals out of whack, and nothing amiss whatsoever with the Utah Democratic party platform), I can tell you this from personal experience.

    Bill Maher may be the personification of what's wrong with the far-left - there's plenty of that to go around, and then some. But the extremism and intolerance on the opposite side, the far-right, is just as bad and just as pervasive, and perhaps just as destructive to LDS as the far-left.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    @Zona Zone,

    "Am I to take from your comments that you are an admitted anti-Mormon, here only to bash the faith?"

    I'm just pro-truth. I came, seeked the truth, talked to the missionaries, did it all. This church is blatantly false and the members are blind followers. I learned that after a few months doing as I was told and talking to them. Asking questions and getting no answers. Listening to old prophets answer old questions with no answers. Yet, the followers continue to blindly follow ... like sheep. Condemn what they're told to condemn, praise what they're told to praise (even wrong things, like curse of cain), etc. You'll keep doing as your told until you wake up some day.

  • Rand FLAGSTAFF, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    I'm fairly liberal and I've never liked Bill Maher. Too much ego, too self-impressed, too inflammatory, too much cherry-picking of facts. If conservatives would like to know why liberals are so disgusted with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, etc, take a look at Bill Maher. Cut from the same cloth.

    Kudos to Stephen Colbert for keeping his satire tasteful and even-handed. Additional kudos to those LDS faithful who can laugh at this humor and not take themselves so seriously.

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Almost all commenters who make disparaging remarks about the church have no idea what they are talking about. As soon as the say "it is the JoD" or Joseph Smith did this..." or pull up some other poorly researched or understood comment, you just have to turn away and move on. If they really wanted to know the truth they would have done real research. But "researching" this stuff is not done by quoting a Mormon hating website, CD producer or marginally informed character trying to sell a new expose' book.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    One last post Maher has never been funny, he isnt original and he is one ugly dude. The guy is so full of himself that he forgets he his schnauze is eating his face. Maher the crypt keeper puppet called he wants his hair back.

  • Bunnyhop SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    @Most Truthful and Patriotic
    "What religion are you?"
    Wow thats harsh (sarcasm)
    Your offense at that quote indicates you are itchin for an excuse.
    Perhaps they were merely curious about yours.
    I guess I would be more sympathetic to your complaint of insensitivity if it werent so obvious that your quotes are out of context and I had not heard the same (or worse) kinds of things in reverse.
    Are there Mormons who are jerks? Sure - but that is a human character trait.
    The bottom line is: Those want to get along do so - those who dont want to get along find a way to blame the other guy.
    BTW: Do you get upset when Jews refer to gentiles? Is it even an insult, or do you merely choose to be offended? And how many people actually use the term everyday conversation anyhow?

    Does anyone actually care what Bill Maher says?

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    One other thing: If the writer uses pamphlets or books published by a religious group, 9 times out 10 it is uninformed, misunderstood clap trap. The same goes when former members are quoted. When you hear "I was a missionary" or "I was member all my life" you can count on it being wrong in some material manner. There is only one authoritative source for Mormon doctrine and practice and that is the Church itself. Everything else is opinion or deliberately misrepresented. So, unless the writer quotes a recent Church authorized source you should just move on.

  • Bunnyhop SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    @Wasteintime
    So what you are saying is: You hate intolerant people

    hmmmmmmm

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    @JLFuller,

    And to the ones who make 'real researched and informed' remarks about the church? The actual scholars who read the original documents, the ones before all the renditions and changes, and other official church doctrines and literature. Whenever they come around nobody from the church, be it a member or a prophet, ever have answers do they?

  • Rand FLAGSTAFF, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    JLFuller
    "Almost all commenters who make disparaging remarks about the church have no idea what they are talking about."

    Maher's comments were ignorant and fit in well with that claim, but I wouldn't go too far with it. Some criticism of the LDS Church is well warranted, IMO. The quick adoption and subsequent rejection of polygamy, and the 1978 decision to stop racial discrimination regarding priesthood status are two very large issues for many of us. Issues that never have been adequately explained by church authorities. Issues that I think many current church members wish they never would have to hear of again.

  • Scott1 Quiet Neighborhood, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Maher said recently on the Piers Morgan Show that you only get the truth from him, but frankly he is a liar. For him to say the LDS church puts Joseph Smith at the top is simply lying. Joseph Smith demands a lot of attention because of his claims, but anyone that did a little bit of homework would see that he does not rank first or second in the LDS church.

    Maher says he does not believe in religion, but on this same show he does not clarify whether he believes in God or not, reserving for himself the right to clarify when he sees fit. Very convenient. It can be easy to tear down the beliefs of other people, but maybe Maher should put his beliefs about God etc. out there and let the public scrutinize them. Frankly his deity is money and fame and he gets it by stiring up controversy. I used to respect him years ago, but now struggle with respecting him. I find him intriguing and wish he would direct his talents to more constructive tasks.

  • RojoRules SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    Don't get me wrong, I love Mormon People. I live amongst them. Most of my family is Mormon. They are usually really nice, good, upstanding members of society. With that said, All of the Mormon's bashing Bill Maher are completely out of line. I'll bet none of you know his true thoughts on Religion. He is far more educated about the History of the Mormon church than any of you. He has studied it from both sides whereas all of you Mormon's don't even understand the dark, questionable, well-documented past of the church because you abstain from reading faith-demoting material (aka Anti-Mormon literature). Maher thinks the church is a fake. A fraud. As do millions of Americans that have studied the facts of American History.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Pagan, I have made no attempt to defend Michele Bachmann, and I won't do so.

    Is there are problem with calling Democrats libs, liberals, or dems? Do you find those terms offensive? What would the appropriate term be?

    Petra, I don't know who it is that thinks it is their place to tell you to rethink your salvation if you are a Democrat, but you won't find me defending them, and I'm just saying that it hasn't been my experience as a Mormon.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    I don't think the amount of time we spend talking about either Jesus Christ or Joseph Smith is an accurate measure of who is more important to us. What we say about them is far more important, I think. As a member of an Elder's Quorum Presidency, I personally spend more time talking about the members of my quorum than either Jesus Christ or Joseph Smith. I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God and Savior of the World and Joseph Smith to be a prophet with particular importance to the restoration of Christ's church and authority, and I make no apology for it. Frankly I think a lot of today's religious Christian folks talk more about the Bible than they do Jesus. Am I to believe they worship the Bible when I hear them repeat over and over, "the Bible says..."? That would be ridiculous, right? After all, the Bible is about Jesus Christ, right? And just as I believe the Bible to testify of Christ, I believe Joseph Smith testified of Christ and helped us to understand his mission and divinity, which view puts Christ in higher regard than do many Christian denominations.

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    I really appreciate your support and totally agree with you, Independent. It's not anyone's place to tell me where I stand with the Lord. I wish it never happened, but that's not the case. I guess these people will have to answer for their actions some day. Frankly, I cannot see Jesus standing out there with the tea party yelling for our country to default rather than compromise, pulling for corporate loopholes, and encouraging sustained tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy.

    Maybe Colbert could do a comedy routine about that.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    I am a Mormon and a fan of Colbert! Maher not so much but he was great on The Marriage Ref the other night.

  • D Jamieson Raymond, AB
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    Such comments provide more opportunities to share the truth.

  • Bunnyhop SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    @RojoRules
    How can you say Maher knows about the LDS church when he gets the basic facts wrong?
    Yes; People should look at all sides.
    Mormons are not above criticism.
    But; Maher is not above cricitsm either,
    And he has his basic facts wrong.
    If anyone dislikes anyone elses theology that is fine: but at least do it over the truth and not blatant lies.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Maher is mean-spirited. Colbert is funny.

    That's the difference.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    Pagan, you're not quoting Michele Bachman truthfully. Post the whole quote and apologize.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    re: RojoRules | 3:36 p.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    Every other faith welcomed or tolerated Maher in Religulous. Except for... you guessed it.

    Church Security came to *escort* BM off Temple Square.

    Thats hospitable & christian, right?

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    Jesus Christ is assigned to judge, John 5:22 " 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
    ", but he will have helpers over different peoplesas shown in Matt 19:28 " And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
    -- it seems the Bible pattern is that prophets/ apostles may assist in judgment over specific people's?

  • jill17 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    @Lavalfre: that seems like quite the sterotype to say all mormons are blind followers. As one who seems to appreciate independent thinking, and values a non judgmental attitude, I would appreciate if you didn't sum up all lds members as blind followers, as I am lds and have read much of the materials, online and in print, that you speak of. ...and, if you are such a scholar of the religion you've choosen to sterotype, you must certainly know we believe that christ is our judge.
    I personally think joseph smith was a bit prideful, as Ive studied him. But I still believe he was a prophet. But moses killed a man, and I believe he was a prophet too. Two imperfect prophets. But I'm definitely not trying to win jospeh smiths approval. Just Jesus Christs. He is my savior and judge.
    Last but not least, I'm a democrat. A returned missionary. Grew up in salt lake city, and never recall someone telling me I would be condemed for my politcal beliefs, despite the majority of mormons being republicans.
    Mormons and non mormons alike here, don't be so quick to box people in such a tight package.

  • Not from Utah Spring, TX
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Lavalfre loses all credibility and casts serious doubt on his critical thinking skills when he professes to know the individual motivations and basis for belief of millions of people with so many different experiences, backgrounds, personalities, weaknesses, strengths, etc. Ironically, that hubris is requires a little blindness. If he saw the complexity of so many people he wouldn't be able to make such sweeping generalizations.

    The fact that he has met blind followers or that blind followers exist has no bearing on whether or not the doctrine is true.

  • vic Colorado Springs, CO
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    Any suggestions out there on why there is not equal time for hatred against another religion. On why it is consistently christian or the jews that is getting bashed?

    In a nut-shell, look up Theo Van Gogh and you will see why this particular religion does not get bashed, made fun of, etc. Probably self-righteous indignation does have it's limits.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    LValfre posted:
    A question to LDS members, is it not true that when you die you will be judged by Jesus Christ, God, and Joseph Smith? Or am I mistaking how important Joseph Smith is to the religion?
    ==================
    No, the scriptures teach that Christ will delegate the judgement to others.

    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Anything done by, through and of his authority, is as if Christ himself were doing.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    Idaho Coug posted:
    "We love what you DO but find very strange what you BELIEVE."
    ===================================
    I big reason for this is found interestingly enough in the movie "How to Train Your Dragon".

    Hiccup states: "Everything we know about you guys, is wrong"

    When folks find out in context what we really believe, we're not really all that strange. ;-)

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    Many here do not understand the significance of "What religion are you?"

    First of all, that's a question I've never been asked, outside of Utah.
    Secondly, the answer results in your acceptance (or non-acceptance).
    Thirdly, how many of your non-LDS neighbors do you truly know?

    Those who doubt my experiences, are not understanding of Utah's "other half".

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    Followers who were part of the fold of God in the Old Testament were chosen by the Lord "to be a peculiar people".

    In the New Testament, Paul said the Lord would "purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." And Peter added that faithful Church members "are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people".

    So it isn't any wonder that true followers of Jesus Christ today might be called weird, which the dictionary says also means "peculiar". I guess when you live among those who would go to great lengths to be anything but weird, being weird is not so bad. It means we are different, set apart from the ordinary. It is the calling card of a true believer.

    "Peculiar" is better, but weird works. Thank you.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    LValfre,

    You are so anti LDS it has nothing to do with pro truth, I have read and responed to your comments several times and you are no diffrent than other anti LDS I have talked with in fact your stuff is older than the new anti lit that is out there. In fact I am still wondering how so much of the thing you say gets put on these blogs, I thought they where monitored? just admit it dont hide behind I am pro truth. LOL

  • Leo Femedlers El Paso, TX
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    re Wally West

    "Church Security came to *escort* BM off Temple Square.

    Thats hospitable & christian, right?"

    Actually it's quite funny. Can't BM take a joke? I would have given security a round of applause and high fives to all the gathered faithful.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Most Truthful and Patriotic | 12:48 p.m. Aug. 17, 2011
    Layton, UT

    Physicians, heal thyselves.

    Growing up in Utah and called a "gentile", I can assure you that the comments made to me (and my entire family) by the LDS, were/are as harsh as anything Maher says about the LDS.
    ===

    I know people in Layton that have retold stories simular to yours.

    I do apologize.

    Both the LDS people you speak of, and Maher are zealots, and their statements should be dismissed as much.

    Don't let either person stop you from persuing your righteous quest for truth.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Are we supposed to be surprised by this?
    Mockery is supposed to happen from the world, for the things we stand.
    I think it's a badge of honor.

  • Give Me A Break Pullman, WA
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    You can tell the ones who do and those who don't. Those who say they are pro-truth are usually less than truthful. In truth, they do very little to seek truth.

    They say they did everything the missionaries asked of them, when in reality, they wouldn't even finish reading the Book of Mormon? They never pondered in their hearts the message it contains, they never actually ask God in the name of Jesus Christ with a sincere heart if the Book of Mormon is the word of God, and they never ask God in faith whether Joseph Smith was His prophet. They never do these things because they think they already know, and then they have the audacity to say the promise doesn't work. The only reason it didn't work is you didn't follow through. Don't you realize God knows your sincerity? Hello!

    The promise works every time. I have witnessed it in others, and I have experienced it. Millions have. You do yourself a great disservice when you waste the time of the Lords servants and seek to quench the Spirit of God instead of seeking to know the Spirit of God. There is a big difference.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:32 a.m.

    Most Truthful... I lived in Montana for a few years and I was asked that question often. It was a small town and basically everyone was identified by what church they attended. I never took offense to the question, so I don't quite get your offensive although I do believe far too many people in Utah have thin-skin- toughen up a little.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:38 a.m.

    @Most Truthful and Patriotic 9:50

    You asked - "...how many of your non-LDS neighbors do you truly know?"

    My wife and I just had a new next-door neighbor move in. She's a divorced lady who does not attend any church, but she's lived in Utah a long time so she's quite familiar with names like Thomas S. Monson and Boyd K. Packer. So far, we've gotten along quite well.

    I have several non-LDS friends from high school that I've stayed in touch with through Facebook, and on occasion we've had some pretty straightforward discussions about the relationship between LDS Utahns and Utahns outside the LDS faith.

    Recently, a close friend of mine who is not LDS lost her mother to cancer and her family held a memorial service at a park which I was grateful to attend.

    On occasion I talk to LDS friends and family who live outside of Utah and ask how they interact with friends of other faiths. There's not enough space to cover all of what they said, but it has been helpful to me in dealing with others here in Utah.

  • Dr H LAYTON, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 4:44 a.m.

    @Give Me A Break:

    I too used to think that Moroni's promise "works every time". That is true only as long as his conditions are met, which include reading and pondering with real intent, and reflecting with gratitude on God's blessings to his children. For those who read the book skeptically, or to meet some challenge given them by someone else, or who don't have a fervent desire to know God's will, then there is no "promise". For those who don't have those desires, they wouldn't be receptive to the gift of testimony, so there's no point, according to Mormon. They wouldn't be happy in the Church or the celestial kingdom for that matter, which is why a loving, generous God has prepared various degrees of glory for his children, according to their capacity for receiving divine truth. In the end, we can't condemn someone for not embracing the Church if they don't "feel it". If it doesn't work for them, we are to just love them as they are, and try to appreciate different ways of seeing things.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    Bill Maher has never been the brightest bulb in the building.

  • Maggie Saint George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    So good to see most Mormons able to distinguish between Maher and Stewart. I have found many are to protective of the Church. Stewart is a good natured guy even when you do not agree with his posistion,whereby Maher is a mean natured guy who does not do his homework ,he only listenes to the voices in his head.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Maher goes after all religions. He's not simply picking on mormons.

  • Niximus Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Best comment, "One of these men, could be our next President... the other one is Jon Huntsman."

  • Independent Woman West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    I actually started watching "Religulus" because it sounded interesting. I didn't get very far because Maher was so nasty and negative about anything religious. He is not as funny as he obviously thinks he is, and he isn't as knowlegable as he thinks he is.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    @Maggie 7:35

    That's the thing a lot of people need to understand. A good majority of Latter-day Saints really have no problem with people joking around about us, we just simply ask that people get their facts straight.

    Stephen Colbert's story about Mitt Romney and Mormons was a hoot. He didn't say anything about the LDS Church that was false, he didn't mock anything Latter-day Saints consider sacred, and he did show a side of Mormonism which I'm sure a lot of people outside our faith would consider "weird" but not overly radical.

    On top of that, Colbert's comedy style in and of itself is just super funny. He doesn't appear to go out of his way to be mean-spirited or insulting and a lot of people appreciate that.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Maher is right about more things than he is wrong. But in this case he needs to do two things. Do more research on the church and then make a public apology for misrepresenting the LDS church's doctrine. Maher is constantly disparaging all religions, but he seems especially fond of picking on Mormonism. I think he does that to play to a mob mentality more than happy to see the Church and its membership maligned.

    Bill, the Mormon Church just too convenient a target. Given the level of religious bigotry attacking Mormons is like shooting fish in a barrel. There are more important political targets for you to lambaste. In this instance your uninformed and opportunistic diatribe made you lose significant credibility.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 18, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    I would be willing to bet that Bill Maher could argue 98% of the people who have posted on this site into tears of submission in about 2 minutes. Let's face it, the guy probably knows twice as much about your own religion than you do and he's much more willing to listen to dissenting opinions than you are. He's investigated and he's "not sure." You haven't investigated and you are "certain as all get out." Most of you do not like that which you are afraid of, and in the case of Bill Maher, you are afraid of having to confront your shaky foundations. He poses questions and asks you to use your brain. Many of your own leaders would tell you to do the same thing.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    No question about it, Maher is tiresome, I can hardly stand to listen to him. Now what I want to see on "I'm a Mormon" is "I'm a socialist and I'm a Mormon." True, but it ain't going to happen.

  • Kimball Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 18, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Comics are funny. They don't have to be accurate. Maher is so funny at other's expense. I call that bullying. Now that is hilarious. Hahahahahaha. Why is it Bill is so protective of people he understands and agrees with? Why do we love him so much for slandering/insulting people he doesn't understand or agree with? How funny is ignorance and intolerance? Evidently very funny unless you are on the receiving end.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    I love it. If mormonism wants to play mainstream, it's gotta get a thicker skin.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    I love when people talk about how missionaries go to third world countries and baptize ignorant poor people. I went to Africa and most people knew the bible better than most people in America (including me) and many of those same people studied tons of LDS church history before joining. Portraying these people as poor ignorant souls sucked into Mormonism is crazy cuz those people knew the gospel! PS Maher is the worst comedian of all time! Inluding Bob Sagget and that's saying something!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    @independent
    ["Well, there are many Republican LDS who view LDS Democrats as being aligned with Satan, and have stated as much on these comment boards."

    I haven't really seen evidence of that, personally]

    Before I left the church, I got that a lot (about half a dozen different church members between two wards and then a ton more online but I'll keep those separate) due to being a Democrat. I was twice told by people in person that I needed to repent and talk to the bishop about my liberal positions (I actually did talk to the bishop once because I thought it would be amusing and as I expected the bishop just said he wanted the two of us to stop arguing). A gallup survey of LDS members found that 8% of LDS members consider themselves liberal or very liberal but 20% of LDS members that are inactive are liberal while only 5% of LDS members that are active are liberal. (Since the poll found that 79% of LDS members are active, if I round that to 80% then that means 50% of LDS liberals are inactive... compared to 20% of others).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    @give me a break
    "They say they did everything the missionaries asked of them, when in reality, they wouldn't even finish reading the Book of Mormon? They never pondered in their hearts the message it contains, they never actually ask God in the name of Jesus Christ with a sincere heart if the Book of Mormon is the word of God, and they never ask God in faith whether Joseph Smith was His prophet. They never do these things because they think they already know, and then they have the audacity to say the promise doesn't work. The only reason it didn't work is you didn't follow through. Don't you realize God knows your sincerity? Hello!

    The promise works every time"

    That's a 'no true scotsman' logical fallacy you just made.

  • Admiring Gentile Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    One of the deadliest things anyone can do--especially) if he's a commentator or comedian--is to lose his credibility by taking potshots at something without researching his facts. Then it becomes all about him rather than what he's saying.

    And no one will be interested for long in "him."

    Bill Maher has lost all credibility in my mind. All he had to do was either go online to the Mormon website or walk past any Mormon ward and the first words he'd see would be "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints"--not "The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter-Day Saints." But apparently he prefers to do sound bites and just make glib conversation.

    There's certainly enough about Mormonism--and everything and everyone else (including myself)--to kid about. And it's a great test of our depth and inner security if we can laugh along with the kidder. The Mormon Church continues to pass such tests with flying colors.

    But Maher is no longer to be taken either seriously or humorously. He's clearly not only lazy, but arrogant. Again, it's all about him. Okay then, let's leave him strictly to himself.

  • Bunnyhop SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    @Hutterite

    The corollary of your comment is: If Mormon critics want to maintain any remote vestiges of credibility: they need to keep their facts accurate.

    Maher fails spectacularly.

  • RojoRules SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Maher actually does have his facts straight. It's the Mormon's who only read the continually changing facts found within "church approved" material that are lacking significant knowledge. How can people say that Maher has his facts wrong when they have only read one side of the story??

  • Rand FLAGSTAFF, AZ
    Aug. 19, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Bunnyhop,

    Yes, but Maher is neither the only critic nor the most informed one.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    @bunnyhop: No he doesn't.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    to LValfre - no I will not be judged by Joseph Smith. Your mistaken regarding Joseph Smith. Seek out a bishop or stake president in your area and learn so truth about the LDS religion.

  • LordPillsbury Mcminnville, OR
    Aug. 19, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    I am Mormon. I saw the Colbert routine and found it very funny. He truly balanced the line not stepping over into Maher country of offensive and sleaze satire. Bill Maher is very boring, hates religions, God and conservatives. There are few humans who literally make my hair crawl but Bill Maher is one. Not only garbage comes out his mouth, a lot of spit does as well with that speech impediment he has... Succoring succotash!

    I think Bill Maher brings out the worst in me! It is probably his intention to do so. Forgive me!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Colbert does great satire. So does that Reily comedian on FOX

  • Calif PETALUMA, CA
    Aug. 20, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    I would like to join Newsbusters, wouldn't it be easier to give my DOB and SS# rather than wait to see if I am allowed to comment?

    Otherwise, interesting article on the DN and the comments, thanks.

  • Commonman HENDERSON, NV
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    'The irony is that he clings to his atheism as fervently as those he criticizes cling to their religion. He is as convinced he is right as religious people are convinced they are right.'

    "No, he doesn't. He claims he 'doesn't know'. It's in his movie religiousless. He doesn't claim to be an atheist, or that god doesn't exist, but says he doesn't know and that all the books, prophecies, practices, etc etc are bunk and just man-made nonsense."

    But apparently he does "know" that "all the books, prophecies, practices, etc etc are bunk and just man-made nonsense." So if he claims that ALL the books, prophecies and practices are man made, isn't that tantamount to Maher claiming that there is no God. If God spoke, how would Maher know?

    If God used a book, propecy or practice Maher automatically rules that out. I guess the only evidence Maher would accept is if God spoke to him personally. So if that happened how would the rest of us know that he was telling the truth? Agnosticism is as much a world view as any religion, with just as little proof.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Common man,

    "The only evidence Maher would accept is if God spoke to him personally."

    LDS should have no problem with that. The Holy Ghost is considered one of the several gods, and is expected to speak directly to each person so they can "know the truth of all things."

    How would you know if Maher was telling the truth? The same way you "know" if Joseph Smith was telling the truth. I have prayed, studied, and asked god numerous times over many years if Joseph Smith was telling the truth or not. Without doubt, "the spirit of light and truth" has confirmed to me that Joseph was not telling the truth.

  • carpediem Holladay, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:49 a.m.

    If you have ever owned a vintage car at some point you've probably had someone at a gas station come up to you and start to go on and on, giving a lot of misinformation about your car, but as soon as you try to correct the guy he gets offended, or doesn't believe you. I don't know much about Seventh Day Adventists so I shouldn't walk up to a Seventh Day Adventist and start telling the guy what he believes, or go on a show and tell people what they believe. I'm not qualified and Bill Maher isn't qualified to tell people what Mormons believe.