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  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Are all the other candidates- both sides of the aisle going to get the same 'treatment' from the HufPost?

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Kiaoraguy, why would you expect the HuffPost to give all the candidates the same treatment? Do you also expect that from DN?

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    I am sure Governor Romney would prefer that his charitable giving could be kept private but disclosure laws for candidates make it all public. If everyone would give ten percent to their church what ever dollar amount that might be and if everyone would give something to good and reputable charities the world would be a much better place.

    While Romney is able to give more dollars by the percentage he gives to charity, I disagree that Governor Perry is unable to give a similar percentage. I know many manny people who make much less than governor Perry yet donate more than ten percent of their earnings to worthy organizations.

    Willful donation of hard earned resources to worthy causes changes hearts and breaks down barriers leading to peace and harmony thoughout the world.

  • BO Holladay, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Does Jon Huntsman Jr. donate money? I know his dad does, but what about Jon Jr. as an individual? That is a good question.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Re: ClarkKent | 4:25 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    Based on your response some people might suggest that it irritates you to read that Mitt Romney donates to the LDS Church. If we don't like someone we certainly don't want to hear that they do something good.

  • HoboJoe Glendale, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    I think the candidate's charitable contributions, especially when running for national office, are a valid topic for the press. I remember looking up Barrack and Michelle Obama's disclosures when he was running and when earning over $400,000 a year they donated--or claimed on their taxes--$3,500 charitable contributions, until the year he ran for US Senate when it suddenly increased to over $30,000. Now that's a story, especially for a candidate/President who wants to "Share the Wealth".

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    I am glad to read this, it puts my faith and trust in good people with wealth.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    re: ClarkKent, actually I do expect the same treatment from all sources, but I know it won't happen, isn't going to happen and I'm not naming names either-

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Why is this news? Romney needs some good publicity to cover some his shadowy contributions.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    So why do we have this article? In the scriptures is says that the right hand should not know what the left hand is doing. It also refers to not only praying in secret but giving charity in secret. When it is advertised in the newspaper, it doesn't make me feel better about the wealthy, it just makes me question their motivations because while they may be doing good with their donation, having it publicized negates what the giving is all about.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    I'm not going to single out Mitt because it seems to be the American way to take more than we need and then give a little back.

    We, 5% of the population use 25% of the world's resources because we can and then feel sorry for people in other countries? Some things are 0 sum. Take more - someone has less. The laws of supply and demand assume limited quantities you "free marketers".

    So if you take more than you need, millions more, you claim ownership of the maker's apple tree and take all the apples are you really justified even if you give a few hungry people a few apples? It's not your tree. God made it all and said it was for all of us, yet billions are born without a penny in thier families. They have no rights to what god allready gave them? A rich man that does no labor deserves it it all and we have to serve them to get an apple?

    Wealth does become obcene at some point. Wealth has caused more suffering in the world than any other human frailty. Yes, otherwise known as green.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    Re Rifleman, "Based on your response some people might suggest that it irritates you to read that Mitt Romney donates to the LDS Church. If we don't like someone we certainly don't want to hear that they do something good."

    How in the WORLD did you get that out of my response? I was responding to someone who seemed irritated that the Huffington Post was broadcasting this info about Romney and the poster wondered if HuffPost would give the same treatment to all the other candidates. Well obviously this newspaper hasn't given the same treatment!!! I don't recall seeing another article about charitable giving in DN about any of the other candidates! Do you?

    As far as my personal opinion on who Romney gives to, I could care less who he gives to. However, I would like to see the tax deductions for charitable iving eliminated. Yes, I give to charities. No, I don't deduct a single dime of that. True charity isn't there when you expect Uncle Sam to give some of it back to you!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is obviously a good man and I do not measure up to him using any standard. But if we consider the widows mite, the Church is full of members who do at least as much as he does. My problem with him being President was the way he so enthusiastically raised his hand about the 10 to 1 comment on a proposed budget deal and his signing of the Norquest pledge. I dont expect him to see things the way I do because we come from opposite ends of the socio- economic scale but I dont wholeheartedly defer to his Harvard business education or his wealth either. Nor do I believe that businesses always make the best decisions for America. However, just in case the Republicans win the Whitehouse please let it be him. With Perry commenting that if Ben Bernanke shows up in Texas he would be treated roughly (perhaps being dragged behind a car?) and calling media attention to watch him pray, we should all plead for Mitt Romney.

  • standfortruth MARAMEC, OK
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    To the comment about WHY this article? Why do we need to know? I am SURE Romney would prefer to not have this out there but necessary when running for POTUS.

    I, like another commenter, found it "hypocritical" of Obama and his "spread the wealth" ideology. He increased his donations BECAUSE people would see his contribution amount.

    Perry professes and uses religion to promote himself politically yet doesn't pay "tithe" as many Christian churches teach. I find that, again, "hypocritical". Does seem Christianlike to not take care of the poor and needy.

    Romney does year and out tithe and beyond. He would prefer it in private.....but such is not the case when running for POTUS.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    That's a lot of money that the church will give to someone in need. Good for Romney. I probably won't vote for him still, but this is a great article.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    The article is not correct. The LDS Church is not a charity. Almost 4 BILLION dollars on a shopping mall, a for profit venture? Charity is way down on the list of what the LDS church really is.
    As for Romney, his allegiance is to his church leaders, not the Constitution of the US. He should not have any elected office. No mormon should.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    Awsomeron1

    I understand that tithing is something God requires of us, but it is still something we give of our own free will. It is only because we can choose to pay or not that we are blessed for our obedience.

    I have never found the amount of my tithing (or anyone else's) dictated their status in the church. The only question that ever mattered was whether they paid a tithe.

    I am not sure what his calling, his wife's calling, or what his children are up to, have to do with anything.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Good for DN to cover the Huffington Post article. Most people won't read either the DN or Huffington Post article and will believe what a few off the cuff people say about Mr. Romney and the LDS Church that is not true. Politics is hard on families involved and we should be thankful for good people that put themselves on the line for our Country. The military have people attacking them for their cause for freedom and Mr. Romney has the same type of attacks. This is refreshing to hear good things that he and his family are doing and have done for years. He didn't wait until the time was right. That has been a part of his life since he was a kid. His parents taught him true and correct principles and you can see it in the demeanor on his face. What a good family example in a trying time for many families.

    Thanks to the Romneys for taking on this challenge.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Screwdriver:

    You are dead wrong if you think that because someone has more than someone else that they have taken it from those who have less. It is not a 0 sum game. As productivity increases the sum of the total increases.

    Example: In the dark ages the world produced a certain amount of wealth and goods. In today's world because of innovation and productivity we produce hundreds of times more goods per person than they did back then.

    Just because someone has more than you does not mean they are taking it from you. They are creating it through hard work etc.

    Apple computers is a great example of creating wealth with awesome new products that are new and provide new services and create jobs and wealth.

    It is not a 0 sum game. The pot just gets bigger.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    @Screwdriver

    Your argument and the numbers you quote are based in pure ignorance. Really. It is such a worn out, false argument. History doesn't support it. The fact that we are talking about a man who gives millions more that just his tithing to his church flies in the face of the greed you are talking about. Go read about Andrew Carnegie. He spent half his life giving away his fortune.

    Spreading poverty doesn't make people equal. Spreading poverty makes it so that there really are just a very few elite rich. (Not the kind YOU think of, I'm talking about the Soviet kind.) This nation has many riches compared to the world because we are not run (yet) by central planners in far off capitol. The best way to help people is to promote capitalism and trade in as many places as possible. Even Cuba has come to this realization.

  • steve-0 CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    @Dektol...You're way off. There are charitable and for profit operations of the church. Not a dollar of tithing money is used to build shopping centers. All the other donations people make are directed by the donor as to where they should go. Educate yourself on the church's humanitarian efforts before you start spreading lies and misconceptions.

    You also have no idea as to how the church feels about governments and the Constitution. A quick read of the Articles of Faith would clearly show you we are subject to the laws of the land. Your view that no Mormon should hold elected office flies in the face of the Constitution itself and shows your ignorance to just how many Mormons live on both sides of the aisle. You must also feel the same about so many other religions and organizations. Your list of who should hold office must be very small. Sounds like you also have allegiances to things other than the constitution.

  • SimonSays Riverton, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    @ Dektol .... seriously?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Wow, my post for this article and the one about 'scientists wanting more children'. I've gotta start writing shorter posts.

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    the haters haven't let me down yet. Only you can find something negitive to say about somebody who gives to any charilty. your hatred and ignorance has more to do with religon than the individual. there is no pleasing any of you who are blind with prejudice.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    Dektol, you sound like some people who lived in Ohio or Missouri in the 1830's. Of Romney and Mormons you say "He should not have any elected office. No mormon should." Seriously, if you can get over bitter and religiously bigoted feelings you'll feel a lot better.

    The LDS Church is indeed a true charity. Charity is the pure love of Christ and that is what the church is, what it teaches, what it practices and what it uses it's resources for. Oh, you can find many cases where we as individuals do not always act in a manner that would please Jesus Christ, but despite our many sins and how short of the glory of Christ we fall our aim is to glorify his name.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    Dektol | 7:48 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011
    Powell, OH
    "The article is not correct. The LDS Church is not a charity. Almost 4 BILLION dollars on a shopping mall, a for profit venture? Charity is way down on the list of what the LDS church really is."

    Not fact. But thanks anyway.

  • Kitenoa Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @ Screwdriver | 5:15 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    Your comparison with the apple tree is faulty. The law of the harvest claims if you planted the apple tree, took good care of it over time, you can pick all the apples you want for your needs when there are fruits on the tree; and then share the amount you decide to give away for others.

    However, in today's world there are those who want to take away the apples from a tree they did not plant in the first place (nor wanted to plant) and take care of years ago. FREE LOADING comes to mind. Stealing is not too far fetched either.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    So Romney is wealthy and he generously gives 10% of his earned wealth to a Christian church.

    Gee, let me guess....liberals will claim this is evil, right?

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    Mitt Romney's donations to the Church is really noone's business. That is a private thing. However, what he does outside of the Church is his business and others, I guess. I think it is wonderful that he enjoys helping others but reading about it sure makes a person feel like their small donations are not worth much. We do the best we can then it's up to the Lord. As far as Jon Huntsman, Jr...anyone who refuses to admit they are not active in the Church says alot of his character. I think he is using his inactive membership to get votes and that is not a good and honest thing to do. But time will tell....

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    Isaiah 5:20 comes to mind with some of the comments on here:

    "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

    Regardless of your opinion of Mitt Romney, or Mormons, or rich people, or America, you cannot honestly find fault with what the guy has done with his money. It's not money that belongs to someone else that he took too much of. It's his. He earned it and he is doing good with it.

    The idea that there is just a set amount of wealth in this country that people like Romney are hoarding is such an uneducated, economically illiterate notion. People still come to this country with nothing and take advantage of the opportunity and make a great life and they did it by providing a good or service...NOT by taking another person's piece of the pie.

  • Let's Agree to Disagree Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    "We, 5% of the population use 25% of the world's resources because we can"

    This has already been dispelled, but I cannot resist. I have been to many other countries...poor countries. Often they are not poor in resources but they are poor in freedom. If they had the prosperity that is a byproduct of freedom, they would have the ability to produce and use more resources also.

    "Wealth has caused more suffering in the world than any other human frailty."

    Well, you are half right. Wealth can be put to evil purposes. By far the greatest examples of this in history are when governments usurp the wealth of citizens to oppress them, or wage war on someone else.

  • milojthatch Sandy, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    I'm happy that the man is so charitable, not that it is really any of our business. But when that same guy calls corporations people, I really have to think twice about voting for said man. That said, if the GOP win this, I'd rather it be Romney then most of the Tea Partiers running on the GOP ticket! I'd like to think Romney is more moderate, which is what we need in the White House every time.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    "As for Romney, his allegiance is to his church leaders, not the Constitution of the US. He should not have any elected office. No mormon should."

    @Dektol 7:48pm - "Charity is way down on the list of what the LDS church really is."

    Who appointed you as the judge, jury, and executioner??

    Please define for us in your words what the LDS Church REALLY is. And further, let us hear exactly what YOU have contributed to ANY charity this past year, or the past 5 years.

    For your information, sir/ma'am, with all due respect to your humble opinion, no group of people in this country has greater respect for the constitution than do the LDS.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    Just follow the money.

    ' *'LDS Church's in-kind donations to Prop. 8 total $190K' - By Lynn Arave - By Dsnews - 02/03/09

    'Proposition 8 was a ballot measure in California last November that changed the state constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples and eliminated same-sex couples' right to marry.'

    *'Romney pledges against gay marriage' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News - 08/06/11

    *Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1 million By Ken Thomas AP Published by DSNews 08/04/11

    *Mitt Romney: Corporations and people, my friend By Phillip Elliot AP Published by DSNews 08/11/11

    'Mitt Romney gives millions to Mormon Church' - Title - Today

    FYI:

    *'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Imagine if a POTUS candidate were found to have donated millions of dollars to a radical, fringe, fundamentalist Islamic group. Would such a candidate have a chance at winning the Whitehouse?

    Probably not.

    So Mitt Romeny donated millions of dollars to the LDS Church. The LDS Church is known nationwide as the Church that pushed through Proposition 8 in California. Whether or not it is true, the LDS Church is considered by many Americans to be a fringe, radical, strange, fundamentalist religious group.

    So, for Mitt Romney to donate so much money to the LDS Church makes Mitt out to be one who is opposed to equality and civil rights, and one who is on the radical fringes of society.

    That fact alone potentially alienates over half the US voting population, including me.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    B said: The fact that we are talking about a man who gives millions more that just his tithing to his church flies in the face of the greed you are talking about.

    Not really, if he didn't give it away as a TAX Deduction, the Evil Government would take it as taxes.
    This way he gets to choose who he looses it to, religion or government.

    Widows mite, You can't make a down payment on a condo in heaven with money, even money with Gods name on it.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    Pagan, Vanka

    Neither one of you really seem to understand what else the church does with it's money. Who cares if they donated money for prop 8? It's something they believed in.

    You obviously don't read articles where the church donates MILLIONS after tsunamis, earthquakes, Haiti, Katrina, and many instances.

    When I was in the MTC, President Packer came and spoke to us. He said when the tsunami hit in Asia, the church donated 150,000 body bags and helped build mosques for the people to worship in.

    Everything the church does is from charity. NO money that the church has in their bank account is from force--unlike some programs now. It's all given from the members and anyone else who sees fit that the church should get it. Nobody is paid in the church, all time is free.

    The LDS church is the greatest program in the World. And whether you choose to see that or not is up to you. Nobody is forced to give because they have more...and guess what? It works great. What other church on Earth can build a house of worship every working day for it's members? What a great work!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Tom in Said: For your information, sir/ma'am, with all due respect to your humble opinion, no group of people in this country has greater respect for the constitution than do the LDS.

    Yeah we're aware of the "white horse prophecy," when the LDS Church Carries the nation forward.

    "As for Romney, his allegiance is to his church leaders, not the Constitution of the US.

    Soon, soon.. they will be the same... well according to the old WHP anyway.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    'Who cares if they donated money for prop 8?' - TOO | 8:11 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    I do.

    Your don't seem to understand that.

    For all the good that your saying the LDS church does...

    it is still TARGETING my life.

    I have no choice in that.

    *Mormon Church agrees to pay small fine for mistake that led to late report of contributions in Prop. 8 campaign' - By Scott Taylor - By DSnews - 06/09/10

    *'Three GOP Presidential Candidates Sign Pledge To Investigate LGBT Community' - Stephen D. Foster Jr. - Addicting Info - 08/16/11

    'Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Santorum have all signed a pledge to form a commission to investigate the LGBT community if elected President.'

    The Pledge reads, in part:

    'Four, establish a presidental comission on religious liberty to investigate (sic) reports of Americans who have been harassed or threatened for excercising key civil rights...'



    When I have never done the same to any LDS marriage.
    Temple, or otherwise.

    Please stop targeting me, and then trying to justify it.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Rocket Science, quotes from the BoM. Charity is the pure love of Christ and that is what the church is, what it teaches, what it practices, True.

    Moroni 7:47 . "But charity(love) is the pure love of Christ . Makes no sense in the original Greek. Charity, mid-12c.,benevolence for the poor," caritas from the Latin Vulgate often used as translation of Greek, agape "love". Charity is the Latin translation of agape(love).

    The Love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13. Charity(love)never fails( 1Cor 13:8) or Faith hope and charity(love)(1 Corinthians 13:13).

    This is why Christians Churches have several different Bible modern translations do to discoveries of earlier and better MS than the(TR/KJV)and better scholarship like; Jehovah is a mistranslation of YHWH.
    JS was unaware of the poor KJV translations.

  • Give Me A Break Pullman, WA
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    If charitable giving offends you, then this article might seem offensive. If you think everyone is angry at God, just like you seem to be, then this article might seem offensive. If you hate anything and everything about the LDS Church for one reason or for another, then this article might seem offensive. If you think LDS Church funds are lobbed into a single account, or you believe church leaders profit individually from those donations, then this article might seem offensive.

    But if you had real understanding, if you had personal charity, if you could get past stereotypes and hate and greed you would praise God that someone successful, someone who understands economy also has a heart to match his courage, then you would be grateful. So which are you?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    With all those rich blessings in store he will now become president of the USA.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Mark 10:23
    23 ¶And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

    Mark 10:25
    25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    Seems Jesus wasn't fond of people taking more than they need. But fine, give it a shot if you must. Free country and all...

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    As others have said, not all of Mr. Romney's contributions can be considered charity in the purest sense, but I can't help but wonder how much of his "charitable" contributions were earned by putting people out of work as his holding company Bain Capital did its thing.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Sharrona,

    The definition of charity found in Moroni 7:47 is very much in keeping with modern translation.

    Reference Joseph Smith misunderstanding YHWH as Jehovah. The name Jehovah was then, and still is, in common usage. My first name is originally from the Hebrew but no one pronounces it that way. When I introduce myself, I do so using the common, not Hebraic pronunciation. When I introduce myself to foreign speakers, I modify my pronunciation to help them better understand my name.

    Jesus and Christ are not the name and title Christ would have used during his lifetime. But were he to come today, I would fully expect that they would be how he would identify himself to us now given that they are the name and title we know and understand. The very nature of translation is that the person hearing the words understands them for what they mean and represent. On that point, Joseph did okay.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    '...but I can't help but wonder how much of his "charitable" contributions were earned by putting people out of work...' - Mike in Cedar City | 9:03 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    Supported.

    *'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08

    *'Mitt Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11

    'Employees who lost jobs at Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago say they still hold Romney responsible.
    "I would not vote for him for anything," said Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...'

  • Bunnyhop SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Romney was required to open his accounts because he is running for president.
    Doesnt really matter if LDS Chuch is charity or not in the mind of critics; If other churches are considered charitys for tax purposes, which they are, then so is the LDS Church

    @Ernest
    snarky comments do not advance a conversation or embolden support

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    @Screwdriver

    While I can certainly appreciate the honor in a civilized society working together to help those who are less fortunate, I shudder when I hear comments about how someone who might have more somehow does not "deserve" their wealth.

    Just how much is too much? Who gets to decide when someone has "more than you need?" What is that magical point where wealth "becomes obscene" and WHO gets to determine that precise point? Exactly when does someone have "social rights" to what others have? And what dangerous mechanism in a free society will be used to take from others what society has determined they don't deserve?

    This type of class envy disguised as "social justice" is nothing more than entitlement code for "what others have, I deserve...simply because others have more."

    Rather than engage in hostility against the affluent and focus on how their wealth can be confiscated, why not work together as a society to seek more positive solutions to eradicate poverty...those solutions indeed exist if one can get past this silly class envy mindset.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Pagan-
    For all the good that your saying the LDS church does...
    it is still TARGETING my life.
    I have no choice in that.
    Please stop targeting me, and then trying to justify it.

    Isn't this what the government does? For months now I have heard you say raise the taxes on the rich because they can do it. Why don't the rich get a say in it? Why do they have to be punished by the government for success?
    The government targets me and makes me pay for people's food, school, and other programs...I have no say. Then they try to justify it.

    Liberals always point out that it's only fair...when it's their side that does it, but if it's the other side, it's bad.
    Hypocrisy is a weird thing, isn't it? The fact that it's the church is what irritates you. But when your President does it, it's okay.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Geez Hal, this is such an earthshaking revelation that I am totally awed (LOL). Why don't you report on something that actually matters, not how much tithing Mitt pays. Anyone could have figured this out on their own. Last week it was "Mitt's Wealth Causes Concern." This week it's Mitt's tithing.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    'For months now I have heard you say raise the taxes on the rich because they can do it.' - TOO | 9:45 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    Aw.

    Poor rich people.

    Because they care so MUCH about you. (Sarcasm off)

    Too, isn't being rich...

    a choice?

    Whereas:

    *'Psychologists nix gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09

    'The American Psychological Association slams technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.
    No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.'

    *'Gay man says 'reversal' therapy did not change him' - By Lisa Leff - Associated Press - Published by DSNews - 01/20/10

    'SAN FRANCISCO A gay man testified Wednesday in a federal same-sex marriage trial that the "reversal therapy" he underwent as a teenager to change his sexual orientation drove him to the brink of suicide.'

    *Survey links gay suicides to religious message - BY KRISTEN MOULTON SL TRIBUNE 02/17/11

    *'Teens gay or straight more likely to attempt suicide in conservative towns' - By LINDSEY TANNER - Medical Writer - AP - 04/18/11

    Is this the 'charity' you were speaking of?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    @bunnyhop
    Snarky? I'm simply stating what we've all been told countless times.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    to all the tithe haters, and o fans,
    check out how much biden and obama gave.
    they are loose with others money and remember, whatever contributions they make are based on monies we the taxpayers pay them.
    Romney is on record that he will not accept a salary, but will donate it to charities. o? joey?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Twin Lights, The definition of charity found in Moroni 7:47 is very much in keeping with modern translation, Wrong. Check: NIV,ESV,NLT .

    The Greek word (agape,25) is often translated "love" in the New Testament. "agape love" is different from other types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice. Unlike our English word love, agape is not used in the Bible to refer to romantic or sexual love. Nor does it refer to close friendship or brotherly love, for which the Greek word philia is used. Nor does agape mean charity, a term which the KJV translators carried over from the Latin. JS misunderstood the KJV.

    The spelling Jehovah appeared first during the 1762-1769 editing of the KJV Bible. The transcription Jehovah is nothing but a misunderstanding by Christian translators of Jewish reading traditions."
    JS saw the KJV not Jesus.

    From LDS revelation, however we learn that Jehovah is the English form of the actual name by which the Lord Jesus was known ANCIETLY[no way]. (D&C 110:3,appears to JS)(says hes Jehovah, Abra 2:8) Mormon Doctrine p. 788. google Tetragrammaton, S/B. YHWH

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    "The LDS Church is known nationwide as the Church that pushed through Proposition 8 in California."

    Vanka:

    Pay attention:

    If every Mormon in CA had stayed home and not voted, guess what, Prop 8 still would have passed. Are you with me??

    You can thank the Catholics, Evangelicals, Chinese, The Black Community, Hispanics, and many others all for "pushing through" Prop 8.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Wealthy people donate to charities for the tax write off. The real test for the wealthy would be for them to donate without the tax write off. Many of them have charities just for the purpose of making themselves look giving and helpful. Most of it is about tax write offs. The wealthy can afford clever accountants who shape the appearance of the character of the wealthy individual. It is about power and appearance and not paying taxes. It is all about how you "play the game of life".

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    One of my dad's partners asked once "what can you do with your second million that you can't do with the first?" That was when a million was real money. His point was about acquiring personal things with his accumulated wealth. Some rich folks use money as a means of keeping score in the game against competitors and peers. Others, like the Romney's, believe it is a tool given to them to use for the benefit of others too. Paying a full tithing is one way of keeping the communication lines open with the Holy Ghost in aiding to know how and where to use recourses best. Like my dads partner, there is only so much you can buy and do with money before it becomes obscene. The Romneys have shown that there is a better way. But then again there are a lot of folks who think like the Romneys.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    "Most of it is about tax write offs."

    sally 11:02 Kearns UT:

    Do YOU take tax credits for charitable donations, IF ANY, that you donate to???

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    I'm glad to see that Romney gives a lot to charity. Ideally, he should be able to give in private, but I guess that's not going to happen because of the scrutiny aimed at all major politicians.

    As I understand God's will concerning riches and poverty:

    The rich should choose to give to the poor until there are neither rich nor poor.

    The poor should not envy the property of the rich.

    All people should be self-supporting if at all possible.

    Those who give should not judge the poor as having deserved their poverty.

    Giving requires us to use judgment, lest we encourage over-dependence on the dole.

    Rich people who withhold from the poor are in danger of judgment, as if we had stolen from the poor.

    The majority of us Americans are rich compared to the rest of the world.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    sally,
    do you even know what a tax write off is?

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Dektol:

    Your figures are wrong and your opinion on the churche's giving is wrong.

    1. The LDS church has business ventures that go back a long time, the sugar beat industry, communications, the Union Pacific Railway. The mall / apartment complex is financed from non tithing or charitiable donations.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    To Pagan: Yes, it is failing in the courts as far as California is concerned. It will pass in the US Supreme Court by a vote of 5-4 upholding the definition of marriage as between man and woman. The same will be said for DOMA as well. In every state where it has been placed on the ballot for the voters to decide the vote has been 30-0. So yes the courts are ruling against us but in the end the only court that matters is the Supreme Court where it will stand.

    Marriage is defined as between man and woman. That is the only definition that matters. All others fail. Man can use the courts to change the law but it will never change the Laws of Heaven which were decreed long before either you or I came to this earth. Marriages are intended to last forever, not just for our mortal lives. Therefore, any same-sex union will never perpetuate beyond the grave. As some one early said what is good is now evil and what was evil is now good.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    My count is 8 posts out of about 60 moaning about gay rights. That seems a little excessive.

  • Ranch HUNTSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    Tithing is not charity, Fast Offerings are.

    Tithing goes to support the operations of the LDS Church (or whichever church they are donated to). This is not money dedicated to the aid of the poor and needy - which is true charity. Money to build churches is not a charitable use.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    Pagan,

    Yes, being rich is a choice, in a way.

    I was just merely suggesting that you are so against my church for sticking to it's beliefs, and you are offended they go against your own beliefs.

    Why do I have to pay for abortion? Why don't I get a say in it? Why do my taxes go to these federal programs? It's just like my church against your government. No matter what, we will disagree.

    But the fact that Romney donated that much money is great. It will help many people who need it.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    re:BobP
    Money is fungible.
    The Church spent, on average, over 25 yrs, $25 million/yr in humanitarian aid.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    And here's Pagan, again and again . . . .

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    So Romney donated money that went to fight something immoral. I don't see a problem with that. Wish more rich people would give some of their wealth to fight destructive forces in our society. And so what if being rich is a choice, so is acting on immoral inclinations.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    I don't care if a candidate gives $3 Million to charity or $3,000 to charity. We should just say thank you and move on, because it's really none of our business what somebody does with their own money. It's extremely bad manners to judge the size of one's charitable contributions.

    On another note, I can't believe Dektol's bigoted comment got 9 recommendations. So, Mormons can't hold political office? What's next? Do you want to round us up and put us in concentration camps? Maybe we should be required to wear identifying patches on our sleeves and hang signs indicating our mormonness in the windows of our businesses.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    It must be the end of days when the Des News is quoting the Huffington Post about one of their own!

  • Doctor Tucson, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    Let's do some math:

    $38,000,000,000 divided by 12,000,000 members divided by 26 years equals $121.76.

    $38 billion over 26 years divided 12 million members equals $121.76 per member per year. How much did you give in tithing?

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Screwdriver: Romney wasn't bragging about it. It was research done by journalists. Tax laws require foundations to tell where they spend their money. No one knows (and should not know as you mentioned) if Romney also gave money anonymously.

  • namder AUBURN, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    Dektol. Should the same be said for Harry Reid? He is Mormon as well.

  • joy Logan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    I commend Mitt for living a commandment. Living God's commandments brings blessings and happiness. It shows me that Malachi was right you will be blessed. Giving to the LDS's Humanitarian Fund provides food, and necessities not only here in this country but though out the world. The LDS are amongst the first responders in all disasters. But they don't make it a point to be in your face about it.
    It helps to know Mitt is a man of principle. I know nothing about Jon Huntsman Jr. except he takes a lot of credit when it was his fathers doing. Jon Huntsman Sr. is worth far more than Mitt Romney but his plan is to die poor with all of it given to those in need. Hopefully he past some of that down to his son.
    At first I thought this article was an attack on Mitt but when I was done I think it was showing exactly his character.
    There will always be negative with candidates but if you're looking for perfection you're wasting your time.

  • Atlas Colorado Springs, CO
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is very generous with his financial success. His charity is voluntary and admirable.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Tom in CA | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    Pay attention yourself.

    Read my statement again. I never claimed it was true that the LDS Church pushed through Prop8. I said it is known as the Church that did so.

    And that is true. The public perception is that the LDS Church made Prop8 pass when it otherwise would not have.

    Take a chill pill. Your persecution complex is showing.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    In contrast to the Romneys, The Obamas returns show that the couple made very few charitable contributions, sometimes less than 1 percent of taxable income, until Mr. Obama began his run for the White House. In 2004, before Mr. Obama entered the Senate, he and his wife gave $2,500 to charity, 1.2 percent of their taxable income. The next year, the donations jumped to $77,315, or nearly 5 percent of their taxable income. Their charitable giving only went up when it looked like he was campaigning for the presidential office. (from a NY Times article dated March 26, 2008 by Leslie Wayne)

    This just can't be right. Democrats care more than anyone else about the poor, don't they???

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Reaffirms that Romney is a good person. I'd trust him above any other of the hopefuls.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    Sharona,

    I agree that agape is the root. But I had never heard that word used until the last decade or two. In translation, Joseph would have to have used a common substitute that would be intelligible to the readers and charity best fits the bill.

    Also, what is the definition of agape?

    From Wiki: . . . one of the Greek words translated into English as love, one which became particularly appropriated in Christian theology as the love of God or Christ for mankind. Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love.

    From About: Agape is selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love, the highest of the four types of love in the Bible. This Greek word and variations of it are found throughout the New Testament. Agape perfectly describes the kind of love Jesus Christ has for his Father and for his followers . . .

    Sounds like Moroni got it right. That whatever word you want to use, the meaning of it is "the pure love of Christ".

  • Canadiandy Alberta, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    ClarKent writes, "I would like to see the tax deductions for charitable iving eliminated. Yes, I give to charities. No, I don't deduct a single dime of that. True charity isn't there when you expect Uncle Sam to give some of it back to you!"

    I agree that charity isn't contingent on a tax rebate. However, if I earn $100,000 and I am giving $10,000 to a good cause, I don't see how the government should be able to tax money that won't be coming to me anyway. Only a "charitable" guy like Obama or one of his groupies would want to tax charity.

  • friedeggonAZstreets Glendale, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    It's called tithing, duh? Are they going to report how much tithing the other guys give too? Now that would be interesting.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Wow...people coming out of the woodwork to comment on anything Mormon is sure entertaining.

  • CTguy30 Colchester, CT
    Aug. 18, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Some people just need to be heard...I guess. Pagan...I your repitition, and predictableness is leaving people no other alternative but to ignore you. Good luck to you.
    I find that everywhere I go...person's who feel "victimized" are simply that...a victim - whether the LDS church targets you personally or not...you will always play the part of the victim; always
    enslaved to anger, pain, heartache, etc.
    Romney and countless others in this crazy world choose a different path...we shed the mask of "victim." God Bless to anyone who gives freely of oneself; whether it be time, money, energy.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    Screwdriver, you sound angry at wealthy people. I think you should judge by the content of one's character not the size of their pocketbook. I know some pretty down-right mean and ornery poor people, and a few pleasant hard-working wealthy people. The thing with wealth is, if you don't know how to handle it, usually you end up losing it. working hard for something is what it takes to handle one's wealth. Hard labor isn't the only kind of hard work. Romney worked hard for his money, don't begrudge someone who is living the American dream by their labors!

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Pagan, when are you going to stop being surprised that the LDS church, along with most other Christian denominations does not and will not condone your lifestyle? Get over it! We understand you hate them for it, now please move on!

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    Screwdriver, the eye of the needle refers to a small gate in the wall around Jerusalem. Camels had to kneel down and scootch through on their knees. It was hard, and took a lot of effort, but it was possible. THAT is what Jesus was talking about in the scripture you quoted, not a reference to wealth being bad. Wealth can change a person and make it harder for them to be humble enough to repent and give his sins up. That's why it's hard for rich men to enter into the kingdom.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    Sharronna, you do realize that when Jesus was speaking to Joseph Smith he was speaking in English right? Joseph didn't know Hebrew, so of course Jesus would use Jehovah, not YHWH.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 19, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Hawkyo,

    BY was spoken to in clean English when he was given the Curse of Cain prophecy wasn't he?

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Aug. 19, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    Mitt Romney will make a great President.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    How much did the GOP front runner Rick Perry donate?

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 20, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Pagan, everything related to the LDS church isn't about Prop 8 and your victimization. Can you come up with another topic to comment about?

  • Scotwright SANFORD, NC
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    I think it's good to know what a candidate who claims to be Christian does with his money. This question comes to mind. "If you were indicted for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to get a conviction?" In the case of most normal, everyday people who profess Christianity, there would be few indicted and fewer convicted. A true Christian, like Mitt Romney, will be more even-handed and diligent to making this a great nation again. A penny-pinching thief, who pays no tithing and respects no laws should not be elected or re-elected. God Bless America with the wisdom to do the right thing. In my humble opinion that would be to nominate and elect a great man like Romney in a landslide in 2012.