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  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Someone should drvie him south about 50 miles, he'd see some play makers there....

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    @ Maxie

    Play talkers reside 45 miles to the South, not play makers.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Maxi,

    How many PLAY MAKERS has the Y had the last 15 or so years, or even on their team this year? I think the Utes who have had 4 Top 20 picks in the NFL draft since 1994 have had more play makers than the Y has. Even the other players that were drafted after the 1st round, the Utes have had more. Like MAFU said, you guys have Play Talkers. Ones who can only talk about going to a BCS game, or ones talking about playing and winning a national championship, when they have yet to even sniff and undefeated season, or a BCS game. That comes first. Just ask the UTES and TCU who have had 2 undefeated seasons the last 7 years, and BCS wins if they made it to a NC game. Now you will have a harder time and as independent getting there. It is better than the Mtn Worst, dont get me wrong, but there are not any Play Makers 50 miles south of SLC. The only one is Jimmer, and he is gone.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    That is a pretty bold statement. We already know you aren't very educated when it comes to football, even Bronco said so. So I'll just let that ignorant post go without a rebuttal. You probably said (or thought) the same thing last year and then byu went 7-6. Keep those predictions coming.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Max-was-right -

    You said - "Someone should drvie him south about 50 miles, he'd see some play makers there..."

    You could be on to something there. With UVU having no football program there might be some hidden talent walking around that campus that would love a crack at playing some football.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Kyle Whittingham looking for playmakers:

    He should start with finding a division 1 quarterback who is capable of playing full-time.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter you're funny. "Not one offensive player from the Utes would start at the Y" Is that because you guys enjoy having slow receivers and No running game? or maybe those blue tinted glasses that you wear, just make it look like you have fast receivers and a good running game.
    Whatever the case, your a little delusional.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    You drink WAY too much of the kool aid that DesNews feeds you. I know you don't believe that statement. I could go through and name those who would easily start over BYU's 'strong' offense, but arguing with you is like arguing with a 5th grader.

    You're right though, it will be painfully obvious to you in about a month about how wrong you are.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    DeVonte Christopher and Brian Blechen are going to blow up this year, they will wreak havoc on opposing teams all season long, mark it down. Freshmen Dres Anderson, Eric Rowe, and Nate Fakahafua will also make some noise this season with their big play ability.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    Duck Hunter

    Great quote. Almost word for word from Barry Switzer before the Sugar Bowl.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    SoCalUte

    Good luck covering BYU's "slow" receivers on September 17th.

    As for Utah's running backs. Don't you have to have a good offensive line to have a good running game?

    And isn't it even more imperative, that you have to have a QB who can throw the ball in order for a receiver to light up anybody?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    Well I see some of you disagree but none of you listed one single player from utah's offense that would start over any of BYU's. If you disagree then please list them as I am interested to know who they are. I personally couldn't find one although I think there are a couple that would be in the rotation at BYU but no clear cut starters.

    I'll wait to hear who they are.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    Ducky

    I'll play. I would take any one of the U's WR any day. Devonte, Dunn and Dres Anderson. I know you think Apo catching a pass over horrible DBs in practice looks pretty good but he is unproven at best.

    Now let's talk defense. Give me one defensive play maker on byU's whole team. Oops, that's right, there aren't any.

    Can't wait, can't wait

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    re: utahcountyute

    Yes, let's talk defense. What is your excuse that BYU's defense last year (yes ... last year) finished the year ranked higher than utah's.

    utah's defense better be stellar this year to prevent a lot of blowouts 'cause we all know the ute offense won't be scoring many points.

    By the way, is the mantra for the utes this year, a 'step forward' ? I'm getting very tired of hearing kyle repeat himself every day looking for the utes to take a 'step forward'.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    Duckhunter you may be right. Devonte would, but he wears earrings, so he wouldn't be allowed on the team. Chaz Walker would be far and away the best linebacker, but his hair is too long. John White IV could run circles around DiLuigi, but he says curse words sometimes. Blechen has facial hair. As do nearly all of the other starters for the superior Utes team. Of the U players who are BYU-appropriate, probably none of them could START over your guys, but if you really think Bergstrom (Outland candidate) is worse than your right tackle, Walker (Lombardi candidate) is not better than your middle linebacker, Christopher (Biletnikoff candidate) is not as good as any of your starting receivers, just to name a few, tell me right now for everyone else to witness. We're not even talking about who the better team is right now, just your pride at stake.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:07 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Tony Bergstrom, John Cullen, Tavita Stevens, John White, Tauni Vakapuna, Jake Murphy, Kendrick Moeai, Dres Anderson, Devonte Christopher, and Reggie Dunn wouldn't just start but they would be 1st team all conference for byu. As for the QB, we'll see if heaps can play as well as Wynn this year.

    Keep thinking your team is that much better. It will make the Utah victory that much sweeter.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:06 a.m.

    Hahaha yeah Classless that's what is great, Jake Murphy really would start there, but he'll likely be anywhere from 2-4 on the depth chart at Utah. So duck: foot, meet mouth.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:42 a.m.

    AltaHawkFan | 11:29 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011

    Yes, let's talk defense. What is your excuse that BYU's defense last year (yes ... last year) finished the year ranked higher than utah's.

    ------------

    If you mean YPG then Pitt was #8, Kent State #10, BYU #24, Utah #27, Oregon #34, and Auburn #60. Now if you want to talk PPG that's another story. Just because you had 78 less total yards does not make BYU a better defense, see scoreboard for deatails.

    Last years defense was the worst Ute defense since 2007, yet the defense won 3 games for Utah (Pitt, SDSU, and BYU).

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    Duckhunter | 10:01 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011
    Highland, UT
    Well I see some of you disagree but none of you listed one single player from utah's offense that would start over any of BYU's. If you disagree then please list them as I am interested to know who they are. I personally couldn't find one although I think there are a couple that would be in the rotation at BYU but no clear cut starters.

    I'll wait to hear who they are.

    ---------------

    Our entire receiving and running back corps (1-3 string) would start at BYU.

    Do the cougars even have any players at those two positions? I sure can't name any.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    We are have good playmakers in provo utah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Uteology

    "If you mean YPG"

    NO, we didn't mean one particular facet of passing defense, we meant overall passing defense, the complete package without any slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line that makes Utes look half decent:

    2010 Passing Defense

    BYU #23 - cmp% 53.39, yds/cmp 12.19, int 16, yds/att 6.51, TDs 18
    Utah #73 - cmp% 61.32, yds/cmp 12.56, int 12, yds/att 7.70, TDs 20

    BYU's passing defense held teams to lower completion %, lower yards per completion, lower yards per attempt, fewer TDS, and BYU had more interceptions

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    Apo and Jacobsen are better than anybody in Utah's receiving corps.

    di Luigi and Juice are better than any Utah running backs.

    Hoffman is a stud at TE.

    BYU's offensive line is deep and talented - rated one of the 10 best O-lines in the country.

    BYU has a FG kicker who can hit from 55+ yards.

    And, BYU has a QB who might just be a once-in-a-generation, Jimmer-type, player.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Utah's passing defense wasn't that great last season. Hopefully, it will be alot better in 2011, but we have a completely new defensive backfield so it remains to be seen whether they'll be any better.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Duckhunter says "There is not one single offensive player on the utah roster that would start at BYU this year" and StGtoSLC lists a bunch of defensive players and Classless Ute Fan list others and says "they'd be all-conference" for BYU, when BYU isn't IN a conference, and Tomahawk Red talks about running backs, and Utah doesn't have a single back with a single FCS carry.

    Talk about ignorance...

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Ufan, however, makes a reasonable, balanced, rational post. You, sir or madam, I commend.

    Folks, make rational posts, even homer posts, just have a little knowledge behind them, please.

  • Rando305 Miami, FL
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Fascinating that the posters know who the playmakers are, but the coach doesn't. Seems that you've got a coaching problem. With all these obvious playmakers, what's the coaches problem? Why isn't he seeing them?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    BTW, as a fan of both teams, with a favorite between the two, I read and post on both team's articles. If you are a homer stirring the pot on either articles, please, don't.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    LOL! at the replies.

    Not one of the utah players would start on BYU's offense, maybe Bergstrom but he certainly wouldn't be ahead of Reynolds who is considered one of the top olinemen in the country and a probably 1st round NFL draft pick. No other o-linemen utah has would stand a chance of starting on BYU's line.

    As far as the rb's are concerned, well not one rb at utah has a sinlge D1 carry. BYU's on the otherhand are experienced and solid, DiLuigi had over 1400 all purpose yards last year. Neither White nor Vakapuna would be the starter unless Vakapuna moved to fullback and then maybe.

    WR's...well Christopher maybe. No the other's would, BYU's are bigger, faster and better.

    TE - please....LOL! Murphy ran away from the cometition at BYU because he had no chance to even play. LOL!

    QB - uh this ones a joke right? LOL! again.

    As far as defense goes, well that wasn't the question, but I am sure there are players on utah's d that would start at BYU, especially along the d-line. None of the linebackers would, that makes me laugh just thinking about it. db's? maybe. Both unproven.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    This actually has turned out to be the funniest thread in a long while. Please ute "fans" at least make an attempt to be rational. LOL! The reactionary attempts to try and claim obviously inferior players are somehow as good, or better, than what will probably be one of the top offenses in the country are absolutely the greatest posts I've ever read on this site.

    Thank you for your irrational, reactionary, and ridiculous replies.

    LOL!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    We have always had more playmakers than U. Our RBs are big and fast and our receivers are all NFL quality. Our offense will be the best in the country.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Duck
    I think you're overestimating BYU's skill positions a little bit. I will agree with you that their O-line is phenomenal. That's probably a big part of why Diluigi was so successful last season. While Utah's backs are still unproven, you shouldn't be so quick to judge them because BYU was in the same situation last year. Because nobody really knows how good they are, BYU probably has an edge here.

    Utah's receivers are, and have been excellent for the last 10 years or so. Mckay Jacobson and Cody Hoffman are good, but they're no Austin Collie or Eric Drage. To say they are bigger faster and better than Christopher and Luke Matthews is a stretch.

    Kendrick Moeai would fit in well in BYU's system. He would challenge for a starting spot, and Jordan Wynn will probably find success in the new system if he can recover from his injury. It wouldnt surprise me if he had a breakout year and was on the same level as Heaps.
    Most BYU fans will probably disagree with me, but its an honest opinion.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    Phoenix -

    "we didn't mean one particular facet of passing defense, we meant overall passing defense, the complete package without any slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line that makes the Utes look half decent"

    That is a hilarious comment. In the very same sentence where you critique someone for slicing and dicing the facts to their liking you conveniently talk only of pass defense and leave out run defense? LOL

    Go ahead now, give us the stats for last years run defense. Or did you want to stick with your slicing and dicing to find a particular stat line that makes BYU look half decent.

    Too easy. You can do better.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Thanks for the comedy guys/gals. Man I can't wait 'til the game...this stuff about pretending anyone knows who is better than who is as lame as it gets.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    My opinion: I'd take Bergstrom and Christopher, possibly Matthews, but not over Hoffman. That's about it. Until the rest prove to be superior after this season, especially after our head-to-head this year, I'd have to give the nod to BYU for offensive superiority in the other positions. Heaps' footwork, reads, release, arm strength looks better than Wynn's. They both are smart QBs. None of your RBs can touch Di Luigi or Quezada; and, Moeai is inferior to our 1st and 2nd string TEs (Holt and Mahina).

    Carry on. Can't wait til the real season. Go BYU!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    @ClassyUte

    Hey I have no problem with any of what you wrote, it's an opinion. But you were at least realistic and rational about it.

    Good luck and I hope they turn out.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @motorbike

    ".this stuff about pretending anyone knows who is better than who is as lame as it gets"

    Uh...we know. It will be proven beyond all doubt in a few weeks. I'll be honest, how anyone can even look at what each school has offensively and even try to make a case that utah's is even anywhere near the quality of BYU's is the delusional one.

    If you want to talk defense then you can make a case, although BYU's was better last year and probably will be this year, but offensively there is no case that can be made for utah's.

    This will be a tough year for utah.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    phoenix | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    NO, we didn't mean one particular facet of passing defense, we meant overall passing defense, the complete package without any slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line that makes Utes look half decent...

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    How was your "rushing defense". Now please post those stats for Utah and BYU. I am willing to bet you won't since those won't make BYU look half decent.

    FYI a defense that got pummeled in 5 of its 6 losses is NOT a good defense. In my opinion a good defense doesn't get humbled by teams like #114 Utah State.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    You do talk a lot about BYU players that haven't really done much. Heaps and Co have proved that...

    A) They can beat-up on cupcakes (5 wins)

    B) 2 wins vs above .500 teams

    1. Needed Locker to bounce a ball of the helmet of one of your defenders
    2. With 45 minutes of possession at home you needed an alum in the replay booth to secure a win

    C) Not a single win on the road vs above .500 team.

    Hardly impressive. What's more is the NFL wasn't impressed with the talent last year.

    Fact is Juice and Heaps both struggled against good defenses and tore apart bad ones, see game states for details.

    "Apo and Jacobsen are better than anybody in Utah's receiving corps."

    True and here's the numbers from last year to prove it:

    McKay 37 REC, 410 YDS, 11.1 AVG, 1 TD
    DeVonte 39 REC, 610 YDS, 16.9 AVG, 6 TDS

    Oh wait that just proves you don't know how to do "research".

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Come September 17th one of two sets of fans will have nothing to say, and its going to be the Utes, when they lose 45 to 3.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    @uteology

    Yo uwould trade utah's offense straight across for BYU's without a second of hesitation of given the chance. If you claim otherwise you are lying. The same would never happen the other direction. No one would trade any of BYU's offensive starters for any of utah's. Utah's offense is going to be extremely pathetic this year. Mark it down, file it away, rack it, chalk it up, whatever cliche you want to use. And yes utah "fans" like yourself are absolutely scared to death about it. The only person more scared anout it than utah "fans" is Kyle Whittingham and you can see it, and hear it, in every interview.

    In today's practice, 80 plys, utah's qb's were sacked 12 times and picked off once. There were 24 tackles for loss including the sacks. That is more than 25 precent of the offensive plays that went for NEGATIVE yardage.

    Now I will grant you that I think utah's defense will be good this year but those are pathetic offensive results regardless of the defense they are going against.

    It will be a very loooooooooong year for utah "fans" like yourself.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    Yo uwould trade utah's offense straight across for BYU's without a second of hesitation of given the chance. If you claim otherwise you are lying.

    ========

    Nope, not even playing fantasy football and I have given several reasons why in the previous post.

    This preseason hype is nothing new, after all preseason is BYU's time of year but by postseason reality has already set in.

    Remember the so called depth at the QB position last year that you used a 2 QB system, how that work out?

    Also remember when your so called "big and fast" receiving corps last year were labeled "top 10 in the nation" by an ex-player? That talent needed a RB to save them; Luigi led the team in receptions and receiving yards.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    @uteology

    Well I'll give you credit for your stubborness but it won't get you any wins.

    LOL!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Rational, my bad, I did not originally see the "offensive player" part. However, "StGtoSLC lists a bunch of defensive players" Chaz Walker and Brian Blechen are hardly A BUNCH of defensive players, although they would account for a bunch more tackles than any of BYU's linebackers. Duck, it's impossible to quantify one o-lineman's ability over another, and I know Reynolds is a good player, but I personally believe Bergstrom is better, and I don't see Reynolds being a 1st rounder. However, the remark about the LB's and your tired use of quotation marks speaks volumes more about your rationality than I could ever say, so thank you.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    Rational, Duckhunter,

    ***As far as the rb's are concerned, well not one rb at utah has a sinlge D1 carry***

    ***Classless Ute Fan list others and says "they'd be all-conference" for BYU, when BYU isn't IN a conference... and Utah doesn't have a single back with a single FCS carry.***

    ***Talk about ignorance...***

    Apparently, you didn't think my all-conference joke was very funny but hardly due to ignorance. However, it seems you are both (as well as most byu fans) ignorant to the fact that Vakapuna had 19 carries last year with 2 TD's and averaged 4.2 yards/carry against D1/FCS opponents. And here I thought that you were Utah football experts.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    @classless

    " Vakapuna had 19 carries last year with 2 TD's and averaged 4.2 yards/carry against D1/FCS opponents. And here I thought that you were Utah football experts."

    And that somehow makes him better than a guy with 3 years experience that had over 900 yds rushing and 1400 total yards last year? I might also point out vakapuna is a walk on who quit the team several months ago and just returned. So utah's 2nd best rb is a walkon, who was out of football 6 months ago, and has 19 total carries in his career and you somehow think that means he would start at BYU who has 3 experienced rb's, 2 of which are seniors?

    @stgtoslc

    "I know Reynolds is a good player, but I personally believe Bergstrom is better"

    Well maybe you better inform the people that actually matter, like the NFL, the All American voters and the Outland voters because I'm pretty sure none of them agree with your assessment. I mean its great that some biased "fan" thinks his guy is better but it is just a little bit more convincing when the actual NFL scouts see it the other way.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    @stgtoslc

    "the remark about the LB's and your tired use of quotation marks speaks volumes more about your rationality than I could ever say"

    Please expound on that?

    Walker is a good LB but not an NFL quality guy. Several of BYU's are being called possible NFL players. Blechen has never played a down of LB. He might turn out to be good but he hasn't done anything yet. They'll probably be a good crew but nothing special.

    Frankly BYU's appear to be larger, faster, more talented, and deeper.

    Now if you want to talk about utah's d-line, well they appear to be fantastic, that can't be denied. I'm of the opinion that their d-line will be dominating and is loaded with NFL talent. Congratulations on that, it will probably even make the LB's appear better than they are.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    Thanks for the compliment on the D-Line. But with Bergstrom, Reynolds and the LB's, beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. Bergstrom has been noticed by plenty of scouts and is also an Outland candidate, and I've seen plenty of future potential draft grades and ratings at every position, and never seen Reynolds listed as a top quality guy. Like I said, there's no way to quantify a comparison beyond that. I can only bring up names like Kemoeatu, Gross and Beadles plus Schlauderaff was just drafted this year. The program does a pretty good job with their O-linemen. And for linebackers, tangible attributes like height and 40 times have very little to do with on-field performance. It's all about the passion and mentality and you don't play linebacker at the U without it. "Blechen has never played a down of LB." Outside backer is actually his natural position. That's where he played and destroyed QBs, RBs and WRs in high school, and he played a great deal of last season inside the box, basically a linebacker, just being called a safety.