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  • Ute Fan In Utah West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Everyday I just get more and more excited for some football!!!!!!!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Are you ready for some football?!?!?!?!?

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Excited for a Ute .500 record at the end of the season.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Why would you be excited about that, Troll? Someone who's name implies that she calls out trolls. Oh the irony!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Troll,

    Aren't you referring to your cougars after beating up on WAC nobodies? Way to salvage another 1-4 start.

    We'll be just fine.

    10-2 Utes. Mark it Down.

  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    @Troll Hunter

    Excited for another Cougar blowout loss to Utah State and ANOTHER 5+ loss season.

    Shouldn't your name be Hunted Troll?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Ute season ticket package included a score card for tracking The Deseret Duel. We use that to track win/loss against rival Colorado, right?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Moderate | 2:50 p.m. Aug. 9, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Ute season ticket package included a score card for tracking The Deseret Duel. We use that to track win/loss against rival Colorado, right?
    ===

    Utah is one out of four.

    Do what you think is best.

  • UteFanInStGeorge SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    @Troll Hunter:

    .500 record? When was the last time the Ute's had a .500 season? Ever? Oh, and when was the last time the Cougar's had a national championship?

    GO UTES!!!!

  • youtes taylorsville, utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Hope BYU has fun going 6-6 and playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Meanwhile, Utah'll be 10-2 or 11-1 and playing Oregon for the Pac-12 Championship.

    GO UTES!!!!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Wynn missed throwing practice for the second straight day. Not a good sign.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    Re UoU1991:
    He's on a throw limit for precautionary reasons, this was planned months ago, throwing practice isn't important and missing it is even less important. If he starts missing reps during team drills then we can worry.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    "If he starts missing reps during team drills then we can worry."

    Then you'd better start worrying, because Wynn has missed reps in practice the last two days; in fact, he hasn't throw a ball in practice the last two days.

  • R.A.W Hillsboro, Oregon
    Aug. 9, 2011 7:20 p.m.

    What in the world would lead you Utes to think that your team will be so successful in the PAC-12?

    You return only 11 players from a team that had blow out losses to Notre Dame, TCU, and Boise St. And had to block a fieldgoal at the end of the game to beat you 6-6 rival.

    You have no experience and untested talent at the RB position, a QB thats a joke, and only 4 returning starters on defense. Add an OC who has not had a winning season since 2004. And somehow that spells out a 10-2 or 11-1 season?
    Delusion at its finest.

    After beating an FCS Montana St. The Utes will be decimated at the Collusium by USC. Then limp back to Utah for a massacre in Provo. You can also count on losses to ASU, UW, and Pitt.
    The only likely wins are MSU, WSU, OSU, UCLA, CU, and Cal.

    Best case scenario for Utah is 8-4. Worst 5-7.

    You're lucky to avoid the 2 best teams in your conference.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    You're right R.A.W. I think Utah should just give up and not play football this season and take a few years off until they are ready to play football in the PAC 12.

  • R.A.W Hillsboro, Oregon
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    chicagoborn,

    Yeah, a couple years might help out. Then again, the Arizona schools have been members of the PAC-10 for about 30 years and between the 2 of them have only been to the Rose Bowl one time.

    So maybe the Utes should just discontinue football altogether.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    It looked to me from the article like Wynn threw numeous times in practice? Maybe I missed something. However, the fact the coaches have to limit his reps is a bit worrisome. I know it was planned, but it would be nice if he could go all out. On the flip side - it is nice to see the backups get some throws.

    Utes will be fun to watch this year. We definitely have better competition - I have a lot of faith in KW...Utah should be fine.

    Go Utes!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    @RAW

    From their joining the PAC until 2000, ASU went to the Rose Bowl twice. They won once and appeared and won in numerous other bowls (including several Fiesta Bowls) while Utah was nowhere on the bowl scene and went to maybe two lesser bowls - total. Let's see how the Utes do in their first 30 years in the PAC. I bet ASU has a better record vs. Utah the next 10 years. Go Devils!!!!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    @RAW:

    The smack talk gets old fast, doesn't it.

    It's good to hear a disinterested, unbiased, third party speak the truth:

    "You return only 11 players from a team that had blow out losses to Notre Dame, TCU, and Boise St. And had to block a fieldgoal at the end of the game to beat you 6-6 rival."

    Pretty much sums up the great tun.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    Re Swoop:
    I don't know where you are getting your info, but you are flat out wrong. Wynn is throwing in practice and has been every single day, but he's on a throw limit.

    Think about it: if Wynn wasn't throwing in practice don't you think at least one media outlet would report it? Yet none have. In fact the opposite is true. I saw footage of Wynn throwing in practice today on channel 2, and Coach Whit and about 10 players commented on how well Wynn threw in practice, today.

    Like I said no need to worry.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @ R.A.W.

    Simple facts, simply said.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    tom in CA,

    Are you really naive enough to believe that R.A.W is an "unbiased, third party" who speaks the truth?!?! Can't you jealous, obsessed, mid-major cougar fans recognize each other? It's sad to see the state of byu sports, moving to the WCC and settling for a WAC football schedule just to try and keep up with big brother up on the hill.

    Go post on your cougie articles and leave Utah articles to Ute fans. Maybe you can start pushing your hatred toward your new instate rival, USU. byu is in Utah's rear view mirror as the Utes move to a BCS conference and renew a rivalry with Colorado.

    Good luck to your cougars, I'll be pulling for them. After USU, byu will be my second favorite mid-major.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    "Think about it: if Wynn wasn't throwing in practice don't you think at least one media outlet would report it?"

    It was reported on the radio this afternoon that Wynn has missed two days of live drills in practice and that his arm was sore.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    it's going to be a fun year for me....because imma be on here every Saturday evening asking you why your team lost. And of course the only thing I'm going to hear are the crickets....hahahahahaha, can't wait.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    MidMajor4ever | 10:45 p.m. Aug. 9, 2011
    Syracuse, UT

    "byu is in Utah's rear view mirror as the Utes move to a BCS conference and renew a rivalry with Colorado."
    ===

    Dude, choose one or the other. BYU reference in your screen name, yet "BYU's in the rear view mirror." Your whole post is about BYU.

    BTW, I AM thinking RAW is from Oregon, PAC-12 country, so you all better play nice. PAC fans will make BYU fans look like Sunday School kids... (I know... They are).

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:52 a.m.

    Confidence, not cockiness.
    We love this kid. A young Julius Caesar. If he asserts himself as a true general of the field, and becomes comfortable with that, football becomes a strategic game for him, and he will be alongside and possible ahead of these other guys mentioned. He has the talent, can he stay mentally tough?

    It's looking promising. Can't wait for September.

    GO UTES!

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    Wynn is feeling good. He has developed a great rapport with Coach Chow. Coach Chow is instilling an offense that is better taylored to Wynn's skill set and better designed to protect him. Season tickets just arrived.

    It's a great time to be a Ute!

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    I hope Wynn can stay healthy.

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    my fellow BYU fans are misinformed. Wynn has thrown in practice everyday. What has been reported is that he HAS NOT thrown while the media was there; thats a big difference.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    "What has been reported is that he HAS NOT thrown while the media was there; thats a big difference."

    The big question, then, is "why is Utah hiding Wynn from the media?".

    Whether Utah fans want to admit it to themselves or not, things are not looking rosey on the hill.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Veritas Aequitas,

    Yesterday you suggested that I pick a team and stay off the BYU articles. I can give you the same advice. There are plenty of BYU articles that you can opine on. Why not stay over there?

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    @B C

    you are reading WAYYYYY too much into it. Lets enjoy our cougars season and not worry about Utah. They are going to be fine, so will we.

  • jpjazz Sandy, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    The Utes need a good effort from Wynn and have a lot riding on that repaired "shoulder". This year's schedule has to be the toughest they have ever faced. Let's hope they get out of the box quickly against Montana and roll against USC. And ...Jordan can take the contact.

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    I think it's silly that people think Wynn is fragile. He is 21 years old now, bigger, stronger. He may have picked up a few injuries last year, but that doesn't really mean that he is doomed to injury this year. Recall that we all thought of Brian Johnson as "injury prone" prior to the 2008 season and he turned out just fine.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    To clear it up for all of you that want to argue about stupid stuff...
    Wynn has a "pitch count" as everyone should know by now and I think most of you do.
    By the time the media is allowed in practice his pitch count is up.
    That's it. No hiding, no this, no that.
    Whitt says he's looking fine and Wynn says its feeling fine.
    I'm happy they have him on the pitch count simply to get Hays and Shreve more reps. It's rare these days that any QB goes the distance in a season without some sort of injury let alone a fragile Wynn. The more prepared the Utes are for that day the better.
    By the way, reports are that Hays is actually looking pretty good which may enable us to redshirt Shreve.
    We may actually even be okay if Wynn goes down - heaven forbid.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    I get a kick out of Y fans touting Jake Heaps as some sort of a hero, or even good. His stats are very average or below with a passer rating of 116.2. If you take out the slaughter at lowly CSU out of that equation, his passer rating would be in the mid 70s, which is pathetic. Jordan Wynn beats Heaps in EVERY statistical category with a passer rating of 139.9. And, that includes 4 games towards the end of the season with a mangled thumb and a badly injured shoulder. I think BYU fans should be more concerned with Heaps, a mediocre player that has only one road win at ridiculous CSU and has only beaten one team with a winning record, SDSU narrowly. Jordan Wynn has outclassed Heaps when healthy by a WIDE margin with crushing performances on the road and in a bowl game. Additionally, Wynn is mature and a leader, proven to be. Todd Heap's own teammates are questioning his maturity currently. I think we Utes need not worry about a very competent Wunn and let's hope he's ready(healthy) to go as we embark on our wonderful PAC-12 inaugural season.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    His shoulder still has problems. Slight tear as a result of practice. Hope he gets over that quickly. But those are slow to heal.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    So, Wynn has been throwing this week and is doing great? Where are his stats from the 11-on-11's? I know about the 100-throw limit, but the media would still have access to some of his throws/completions, no?

    25 TDs and 14 INTs. Just had to finish the stats of his (up to now) stellar career. I find it shallow that Whitt, Chow and Johnson (and even Wynn) are so obsessed with getting his name mentioned with all the great QBs of the PAC-12 conference. Come on, Whitt. Do you have to find hyperbole for your team every year?? "All Conference 6-pack WR corps" "Best QB duo in the NCAA", etc.

    P.S. Odds are that you're gonna need the back-up this year. Get used to the fact.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    Also, Heaps hasn't even thrown for 300 yards yet.....not once. Wynn has multiple times, which includes a 338 yard performance as a freshman in the Poinsettia Bowl against CAL. There are a myriad of reasons to trust in Jordan Wynn and quite a few concerns for BYU fans to consider regarding Todd Heaps. Go Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    "Wynn has a "pitch count" as everyone should know by now.."

    And as everyone should know by now, limited practice, means limited experience learning the new offense and developing a rhythm with his receivers.

    What's good for Wynn's sore shoulder, isn't good for Wynn's ability to master Utah's new offense.

    As everyone knows, surgically repaired shoulders build up scar tissue that is now being broken up by 100 throws a day, thrown with good velocity, or so we've been told. It's unavoidable that Wynn is now suffering some moderate to severe discomfort which will undoubtedly affect his throwing motion. How long that will continue is unknown.

  • che loco Springville, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    I commute about an hour to and from work, each way. While driving I get to hear the radio stations report different things from U & Y camps. The thing they reported on the most the past few days is the low number of reps that Jordan Wynn is getting and how he's not even throwing during 11 on 11 periods. Patrick Kinnahan even had a radio interview with Coach Chow where Norm himself said that Jordan was not taking reps with the 1's during Team periods b/c they're holding him out. He did say they planned on doing it that way before camp started. Read into what you will.

    Brian Johnson said about Jordan Wynn, "Absolutely. He's just as talented as those guys." He was referring to Jordan being as talented as Luck & the others of the Pac 12. Delusional coach...

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    "Jordan Wynn beats Heaps in EVERY statistical category with a passer rating of 139.9."

    Not when you factor out the early games Heaps split time with Jensen, when Jake wasn't getting starter's reps in practice.

    If you compares Heaps final six games with the only six games Wynn played as a Freshman, Heaps numbers are far superior to Wynn's Freshman AND Sophomore numbers.

    Heaps final six games
    Fr. 109/172, 1,340 yds, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 152.19 rating

    Wynn
    Fr. 104/179, 1,329 yds, 58.1%, 8 TDs, 4 ints, 130.75 rating
    So. 186/299, 3,334 yds, 62.2%, 17 TDs, 10 ints, 139.85 rating

    Don't even try to make the argument about "better competition".

    Wynn's best game as a Freshman was against California (173.03).

    His worst game as a Freshman was the previous game against BYU (86.91).

    In 2010, Wynn's rating against BYU's "inferior" defense was 103.39. Heaps rating against Utah's "superior" defense was 114.74.

    btw, Heaps suffered two separated ribs during the Utah game. He was also injured, but, unlike Wynn, Heaps didn't whine about it.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    @Blue,

    Jake Heaps; 15 tds - 9 ints....just had to finish up the QB stats......."stellar career."

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Dutchman | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 10, 2011
    Murray, UT

    Veritas Aequitas,
    ===
    Not what I said dutchman.

    Follow one team or the other... or both.

    I will have tickets to both teams this year.

    What I find insufferable, the haters from both schools.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    "Heaps hasn't even thrown for 300 yards yet.....not once."

    Heaps has also never thrown 3 interceptions in a single game.....not once.

    Wynn has never thrown more than 3 TDs in a single game......not once.

    Heaps has thrown 4 TDs in a game......TWICE!

    Heaps threw almost as many TDs in the final 6 games of his Freshman season, as Wynn threw during his entire Sophmore season, 10 games -- Heaps 14 - Wynn 17.

    Wynn runs like a scared rabbit when he's flushed out of the pocket.

    Heaps continues looking downfield waiting for a receiver to break open.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Wynn, btw, threw his 3 interceptions in one game as a Sophomore against pathetic Wyoming.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    @Blue,

    Jake Heaps 2010 vs TCU, USU, NV, SDSU, AFA = 0 TDs - 6 INTs..........that is impressive QB play. Oh my goodness? In fact, Jake Heaps has only thrown 2 touchdown passes against teams with winning records......Utah-1, FSU-1. Jordan Wynn had 3 TD passes alone against CAL when he won the MVP Award at the 2009 Poinsettia Bowl. I think we've got a realistic idea now about who can really play and who hasn't played very well and is all hype I believe. Cheers!

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    It's interesting the spin Dirk puts on Wynn's numbers:

    MATT BARKLEY, USC (6-2, 220, Jr.): Third year as starter has 5,526 career passing yards and 41 touchdowns.

    JORDAN WYNN, Utah (6-1, 201, Jr.): Threw for 2,334 yards and 17 TDs as a sophomore, is 11-4 as a starter.

    Why not include the numbers for Wynn's entire career, like he did Barkley's:

    JORDAN WYNN, Utah (6-1, 201, Jr.): Third year as a sometimes starter has 3,363 career passing yards and 25 touchdowns.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    @ Ute anonymous,

    Is that a fact about Jake Heaps taking less snaps because of Riley Nelson? Hahahahahaha! Well, Jake Heaps had more passing attempts in his first six games than the last six games of the season. And, while your at it, compare Jordan Wynn's games against Jake Heaps.........no comparison. And, look at who Heaps played at the end of the season that led to such high passer ratings...... CSU, UNM, UNLV, UTEP. You are making me really laugh hard my friend.

  • ArticunoBYU Highland, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    whats up with these ute trolls today? this is a BYU article. quit bringing up Utah. go over to their board and comment to your hearts content, but seriously, grow up and dont troll. I love tortilla chips and chicken nuggets.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    mgr63

    Heaps was thrown into the fire with a two-header quarterback monster, two entirely different offensive schemes, and a completely new cast of skill position players.

    Wynn had the luxury of standing on the sidelines for half a season, observing the same offense he was going to be running and being surrounded by experienced skill position players when he finally.

    Wynn had 3 of his 8 freshman TDs against California; he only had one other game in which he threw more than 1 TD.

    Heaps had as many TD passes in two of his final 6 games, as Wynn had during his entire freshman season.

    Your "realistic idea" of who can really play is seriously distorted.

    Heaps' numbers this year will blow away Wynn's. It won't even be close.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    To all BYU fans......Jordan Wynn is better than Jake Heaps in every statistical category......EVERY one. Don't try and pick and choose games or trends. Plus, Wynn was really injured with a torn rotator cuff, not some sore ribs? The Y fan hyperbole is like no other!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    mgr63

    "Is that a fact about Jake Heaps taking less snaps because of Riley Nelson?"

    Jakes only had one series against Air Force, 2 of 6 passing, and only played every other series against Washington.

    Whining about Wynn's "tougher" competition is simply spin when you consider Wynn's best game during his Freshman year was against California at 173, but he only had a 137 rating against Wyoming(7-6) and a 120 rating against SDSU(4-8).

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Uteanymous -

    Some laughable stuff...
    "btw, Heaps suffered two separated ribs during the Utah game. He was also injured, but, unlike Wynn, Heaps didn't whine about it."

    I'm curious when Wynn whined about his injuries last year, would you mind telling us? Maybe he called you? Strange being he withheld telling the Utah coaching staff about his shoulder until the end of the season which they weren't at all happy about."

    And all he ever said about his thumb is that it was fine.

    Another comment of yours;
    "If you compares Heaps final six games with the only six games Wynn played as a Freshman, Heaps numbers are far superior to Wynn's Freshman AND Sophomore numbers."

    Do I need to remind you that BYU's final 6 games last year were during the softest part of their schedule? With that line of thinking you might want to go take out the most difficult opponents Utah played in Wynns 6 games as a freshman and then compare the averages.

    I love it when guys get on here and throw out completely skewed statistics simply to try and sound intelligent or make themselves somehow feel better about their guy/team.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    Head-to-head versus Wynn:

    Heaps - 22/37, 228 yds, 60%, 1 TD, 1 int, 115 rating
    Wynn - 13/30, 199 yds, 43%, 1 TD, 1 int, 103 rating

    If Anae hadn't put the brakes on Heaps after he'd moved BYU to the 20 on BYU's final drive, with three straight dives into the middle that lost yardage, Heaps would have led BYU to the winning TD, instead of the losing blocked FG try.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    @Skywalker,

    As it stands today, Wynn is better than Heaps in every way. Your hype remains to be seen. Heaps has yet to beat a team with a winning record on the road and has only 2 TDs against winning record squads and a whole bunch of picks. Wynn has eclipsed that dubious Heaps' stat. So, we only have a few weeks and we'll see. I'm telling you my friend......it is hot here in the south and the cougs open their season on the road here.......it could be very ugly for the cougs as Ole Miss and UT run right down the throats of the suspect run D that BYU has. You should really think about that sir. Cheers!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    @ArticunoBYU,

    This is a Ute story sir........the BYU trolls are on.......Oh my? I hope your comment was meant as satyrical? Hahahahahaha!

  • Ted H Sandy, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    Articuno,

    Max Hall thanks you for proving him right, day after day after day. Even as a cougar, I do hope Wynn can stay healthy.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    "What I find insufferable, the haters from both schools."

    Yet some how interestingly enough I've never read one of you're posts on the Ute articles calling out any BYU trolls. Hmmm very suspicious...

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    motorbike

    All we heard about after the regular season ended was how Utah's 2nd half of the season meltdown was completely attributable to Wynn's sore shoulder; while hardly anybody heard about Heaps injury during the Utah game.

    Heaps outperformed Wynn head-to-head even though Utah's defense was supposedly superior to BYU's defense. Heaps had better numbers against Utah(10-3) ranked in one poll, than Wynn had against BYU(7-6).

    So much for soft/difficult schedules being the sole determining factor.

    If SOS was the only factor in ratings, how do you explain Wynn's numbers against California(173), SDSU(120) and Wyoming(137) during Wynn's freshman season? Wynn's best game as a freshman was against a stellar "BCS" team in a bowl.

    Heaps number improved dramatically during the 2nd half of his freshman season, because BYU's entire team improved dramatically.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    scenic view -

    "If Anae hadn't put the brakes on Heaps after he'd moved BYU to the 20 on BYU's final drive..."

    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

  • ArticunoBYU Highland, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    I feel sheepish now......

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    skywalker -

    "Heaps' numbers this year will blow away Wynn's. It won't even be close."

    You can finally be happy since I think most Ute fans will actually agree with you on that statement.

    But then Utah isn't playing a 3A Idaho High School schedule either.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    mgr63

    "As it stands today, Wynn is better than Heaps in every way."

    you're a funny guy

    As it stands today, there's not a team in the country who would take Wynn over Heaps -- not even the Utes, if they were given the choice.

    Heaps, by the way, is 21/25 for 337 yds, 4 TDs, and no ints in his first four days of 11-on-11s.

    How is Wynn doing? Betcha Wynn's numbers aren't even close, which is why Coach Whit is keeping them secret. He doesn't want to alarm Ute nation with how poorly Wynn is really performing.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    motorbike

    Yes we know all about if's and but's, except in this case, it's the truth.

    Heaps put BYU in a position to win the game, then Anae pulled the plug on Heaps.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    motorbike

    Utah is playing Montana State and Washington State; not much different.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    @Ibleedcrimson.

    You know that despising BYU has been a regional obsession by every school in the WAC and MWC for many years. Now, with BYU's newfound relationship with ESPN getting their wanton national exposure as they claim, it won't be too long before Chevrolet, apple pie, baseball and hating BYU will be the national pastime.

    I love BYU fans, welcome the trolling they do and laugh when they chastise others when they reciprocate the favor.......BYU fans are so frail and I love it! Cheers.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Troll Hunter had the only trolling post so far. And 4 or 5 Utes jumped his stuff immediately afterwards. So why all the defensiveness, Ute fans?? We're just being rivals here. Go on one of BYU's articles and count the anti-LDS type posts along with the typical HedgeHog ones that have nothing to do with the article. That's the definition of a trolling posts. Get over yourselves.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    @ute busters, That is the funniest post I've ever read......Heaps performance in a BYU practice on week 1 (11 on 11's). Did you ever consider that BYU's 2011 secondary is brand new and appears to be awful, obviously. I would be worried what teams will torch that secondary and shut down Heaps.......for sure! I mean really, that comment is so beyond the parameters of sanity it is a crime. OMGosh? Just a few short weeks away my friend let's talk after Ole Miss, UT and Utah and then we'll review his stats. Thank you for the post, really! hahahaha!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    phoenix -

    Tell me what's wrong with your statement:
    "All we heard about after the regular season ended was how Utah's 2nd half of the season meltdown was completely attributable to Wynn's sore shoulder; while hardly anybody heard about Heaps injury during the Utah game."

    You just made my point for me. Wynn hadn't said anything about his injury until as you said..."after the regular season" which is what my comment back to uteanymous was about - that and the fact that Wynn certainly never whined about it. But if you want to get in there and jump off topic then whatever.

    By the way "hardly anybody heard about Heaps injury during the Utah game" ... uhhhm, it was the last game of the year, would've been tough to hear about it any sooner than we did.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    mgr63

    "You know that despising BYU has been a regional obsession by every school in the WAC and MWC for many years."

    It happens when one school dominates two conferences like BYU has for the past 34 years.

    Nobody hates a perennial loser, except for the loser's own fans.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    uteBusters -

    "Utah is playing Montana State and Washington State; not much different."

    A couple of numbers for you concerning strength of schedule rankings...pre-season mind you, but that's all we have to go on right now:

    33 - Utah
    93 - Utah State
    95 - BYU

    You're right, not much different.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    @motorbike,

    I never heard or read about Heaps' ribs getting injured. I firmly believe that that claim is just more spin by the BYU zealots making excuses for another Heaps' mediocre performance against a team with a winning record......plus a huge loss to their rival Utah. This type of rambling and bogus claims is the status quo for BYU fans and has been for years.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    mgr63

    Did you ever consider that Utah's secondary is brand new and Wynn hasn't done squat against it in his first week of practice?

    For a team that was completely shutdown in every big game they played last season, that's got to be a major concern. Even mediocre BYU held Wynn to less than 200 yards passing and only 13 completions.

    Still if Utah fans what to delude themselves into thinking everything is hunky-dory, who are BYU fans to argue?

    September 17th is going to be an eye-opener for some crimson-bespeckled kids on the hill.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    mgr63: "it could be very ugly for the cougs as Ole Miss and UT run right down the throats of the suspect run D that BYU has."

    Is our D really that "suspect"? We were ranked #102 in rushing D and #88 in total D after 5 games last year. That's when Bronco took over. By the end of the season, we had climbed to a respectable #45 and #24 respectively. Yeah, the softness of the schedule accounts for some of that. But that's a huge turnaround. We are even deeper and more experienced now up front now. I wouldn't say "suspect" any more.

    Think it through before you declare something.
    We held all of our final 7 teams well under their rushing averages, including the U's - you only got 3.2 ypc, 89 total yards. This includes SDSU, TCU (1/2 of what they usually get), UTEP (-yardage), and the rest of the 7 teams.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    mgr63 -

    Well put, I couldn't agree with you more.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    motorbike

    Pre-Season Top 25 Opponents

    BYU - 2
    Utah - 0

    The bottom of Utah's schedule may be better, but the only part of the schedule that anybody really pays any attention to is the top of the schedule.

    If Utah's schedule is really ranked #33, Utah is in deep, deep trouble.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    mgr: Uteanonymous posted Heaps's camp stats to show that he's fine, as in why isn't the media reporting on Wynn's stats - because he's probably not fine. Try to stay on topic. Your emotions are running your brain. lol, then you use the stats to say that our D is bad... good stuff right there..

    Heaps certainly did dislocate 2 ribs during the Utah game. They covered it during the bowl game against UTEP (see, Utah wasn't our last game, motorbike and mgr ... d'oh). Look it up yourself in the DN. Harmon mentioned it.

    Wynn's a good QB, if your 1st option is open and you don't have to scramble that much. Otherwise, he should work out for you... ;-)

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    @PAC man,

    Yes, but Utah's secondary has "soul," a bunch of athletes, unlike like BYUs.

    Wynn had a torn rotator cuff two weeks before the BYU game, but he hid it because he wanted to play. Then, the staff sent him into the doctors, had surgery in December and missed the bowl game. And Heaps wasn't much better and he was healthy.

    We Utes don't think the way you BYU fans do......we just hope for the best and count our victories humbly......never how you folks act.

    There you go again with the blind speculation......Utah always gives you blue kitties fits and you haven't thumped us for years, but we have you.......BADLY! I'll speak at you on the 18th my friend.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    mgr63

    "I never heard or read about Heaps' ribs getting injured."

    Exactly the point.

    Heaps played the entire 2nd half of the game with two dislocated ribs, but nobody tried to use that as an excuse for losing the game.

    Compare that to all of the excuse-making we heard from Utah fans after the fact to excuse Utah's back-to-back meltdowns against TCU and Notre Dame.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 10, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    @ Blueface,

    You are correct sir. Utah made 28 rushes for 89 yards. BYU ran it 37 times for 65 yards. BYU had 24 less yards with 9 more rushes! Hahahahaha! You're killing me! This is fun cougies.....the ridiculousness never ends!!!! Are you going to pull these same type of comparisons against Ole Miss and Texas? That will be hilarious AGAIN! Thank U!

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    "We Utes don't think the way you BYU fans do......we just hope for the best and count our victories humbly..."

    bwahahahaha!

    Just like you were against TCU, Notre Dame, and Boise State last year, huh?

    Biggest game in Utah history; arrogant fans in South Bend; and "girlsie state" smack in the Las Vegas... Utah fans weren't humble even in defeat; just humiliated.

    Utah fans have been crowing about their first BCS busting win for almost a decade -- and Pittsburgh was wasn't any better than the Michigan team BYU in 1984; in fact, the Panthers weren't as good.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    mgr63

    How did that stellar Utah defense do against TCU?

    Gave up 20 points in first quarter; 40 before Utah scored their one measley TD?

    If BYU's lousy defense was able to hold Utah's experienced backfield to only 89 yards and Wynn with a host of experienced receivers to less than 200 yards, just imagine what BYU's defense is going to do against a trio of running backs that have never played a down of D1 football, and against a wounded QB surrounded by a bunch of receivers who are just as inexperienced as your running backs.

    You're getting more ridiculous with your spin with every post.

  • R.A.W Hillsboro, Oregon
    Aug. 10, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    mgr63,

    "Wynn had a torn rotator cuff two weeks before the BYU game, but he hid it because he wanted to play. Then, the staff sent him into the doctors, had surgery in December and missed the bowl game."

    You truly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you even know what a torn rotator cuff is?

    Clearly you have never studied orthopedics, but if you had, you would know that there is absolutely no way any QB could play 7 games (ISU-BYU) with a torn rotator cuff tendon. The tearing of that particular tendon in your shoulder causes any throwing motion to be extremely weak and painful, if there is any motion at all. I have no doubt that Wynn was injured, but for an injury of that magnitude, it was not injured until the game vs BYU, or in Practice the following week. His poor performance against good teams cannot be blamed on that injury. And what would be the point in sitting out the Boise St. game if he had sucked it up through 7 other games?

    Not adding up buddy.

  • R.A.W Hillsboro, Oregon
    Aug. 10, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    mgr63,

    "Wynn had a torn rotator cuff two weeks before the BYU game, but he hid it because he wanted to play. Then, the staff sent him into the doctors, had surgery in December and missed the bowl game."

    You truly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you even know what a torn rotator cuff is?

    Clearly you have never studied orthopedics, but if you had, you would know that there is absolutely no way any QB could play 7 games (ISU-BYU) with a torn rotator cuff tendon. The tearing of that particular tendon in your shoulder causes any throwing motion to be extremely weak and painful, if there is any motion at all. I have no doubt that Wynn was injured, but for an injury of that magnitude, it was not injured until the game vs BYU, or in Practice the following week. His poor performance against good teams cannot be blamed on that injury. And what would be the point in sitting out the Boise St. game if he had sucked it up through 7 other games?

    Not adding up buddy.

  • R.A.W Hillsboro, Oregon
    Aug. 10, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    mgr63,

    "Wynn had a torn rotator cuff two weeks before the BYU game, but he hid it because he wanted to play. Then, the staff sent him into the doctors, had surgery in December and missed the bowl game."

    You truly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you even know what a torn rotator cuff is?

    Clearly you have never studied orthopedics, but if you had, you would know that there is absolutely no way any QB could play 7 games (ISU-BYU) with a torn rotator cuff tendon. The tearing of that particular tendon in your shoulder causes any throwing motion to be extremely weak and painful, if there is any motion at all. I have no doubt that Wynn was injured, but for an injury of that magnitude, it was not injured until the game vs BYU, or in Practice the following week. His poor performance against good teams cannot be blamed on that injury. And what would be the point in sitting out the Boise St. game if he had sucked it up through 7 other games?

    Not adding up.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 10, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    Mgr: "@ Blueface,
    You are correct sir. Utah made 28 rushes for 89 yards. BYU ran it 37 times for 65 yards."

    And what does that have to do with BYU's run D?? Your just changing the subject because you got caught giving out bad info. Our rushing D was (and will be) above average. Your O was exposed for what it was, and is going to be this Fall, terrible. How is Wynn going to learn and polish a brand new offensive scheme w/o the reps?? By osmosis?? Hahaha (as you would say).

    Bottom line: 2010 Total Defense - BYU 24th, Utah 27th (all that Ute "soul" didn't get you ahead of us!)

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Aug. 10, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    My ideal scenario for 9/17 is for both the Utes and the Cougs to win both their first two games. Go Cougs! Go Utes!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 11, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Alright Jordan, time to "step it up". That should mean no more sliding short of the first down, right? If he stays healthy, the Utes will be in good shape.

    Ute haters, what passes for "unbiased third parties" these days?

    It's hard to believe there are still some Y fans who think that if someone from outside of Utah signs up to post on the DN about the Utes and defend the Y then that makes them unbiased. Clearly these folks can't be LDS or BYU grads or both...Please. They are as subjective as they come. I should know I've studied orthopedics.

    PAC man: "Heaps played the entire 2nd half of the game with two dislocated ribs, but nobody tried to use that as an excuse for losing the game."

    Until now...(and often).