1st-term senator became key voice in debt debate
Good for you, Senator Lee. Keep up the good work.
A lot of people will want to give Mike Lee credit for taking a hard line and
sticking to his convictions. Unfortunately, his unwillingness to work with
other members in Congress (based upon his Tea Party beliefs) will hurt him, and
Utah, in the long run. Whether we like it or not, our representatives need to
be willing to work with others if they are going to do any good for their
constituents. It will cost him a lot of important political capital to even
work well with the majority of the GOP and conservative Democrats, let alone the
more liberal members of Congress.Like he said, he wasn't able to
move things as fast as he wanted. If he keeps pushing too hard on some issues,
it will be a net loss for Utah.
I am thnakful that Senator Lee did NOT have the deciding vote on whether to
allow the USA to default. Why would Lee put his own political views before what
is best for the country?
There's a reason Utah Republicans threw out Bob Bennett, he's a big a RINO as
ever lived, and for his son to go work for Democrat Granato should be
embarrassing to the Bennetts. To simply cave in and do what everybody has been
doing for a hundred years, and just continue to careen toward the economic and
social cliff, is insane. Bless Mike Lee for standing up for something, for
taking the stand, and the risk.
He may have some influence in an obstructionist minority, but is it a good
thing? What is his influence in the majority of even his own party? What will
be his influence in crafting a deal with the other party, and important part of
the legislative process? I would say the Lee is developing a reputation as an
obstructionist. I would say that either he will be seen as someone you can;t do
business with, or one who talks a big game but will cave in the end, just like
he did on the F-35 vote. The tea party is confused, preaching fiscal restraint
and saying the represent main street interests, yet they have backed the
interests of huge corporate interests that are sucking the life out of the
federal government. I would like to hear tea party interests explain why they
want lower taxes for the wealthy, taxpayer subsidies for profitable
corporations, and additional spending on programs that the government does not
even want. I want to hear them say, don't spend federal money in my state or
district, and here are the cuts and sacrifices I am willing to make. It won't
Freedom!Finally a politician who understands the constitution and is
willing to fight for it.
Mike Lee has no credibility because he doesn't know how our monetary system
works. It is a debt based system. How does an individual and it's government
ever get out of debt when the system by design is to keep you in debt?
Sometimes compromise is just that, compromise your values, compromise your
promises, compromise the very survival of this Republic.We need a
Balanced Budget Amendment to rein in the out of control Congress. Our nation is
broke, we have already defaulted. The Good Faith and Credit of the United States
is in her people, not Congress or the Federal Reserve bank or Goldman Sachs.Thank Goodness for Mike Lee, Jim DeMint, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Jeff Flake
and others like them.
It is shameful that Lee nominally represents Utah in the US Senate. He has
shown that he doesn't give a fig about the United States (and its Constitution),
the state of Utah, or any of the people -- he just cares about political power
and pandering to those who will give him that power. He doesn't work for the
welfare or benefit of the people he is supposed to reprsent; he just works for
the welfare and benefit of the people who are his puppet masters. We deserve
The only influence Lee and his ilk have is causing the stock market and world
financial markets to take a dive. The market does not trust them to act in a
sane manner when the debt talks resume in 6 months. Their tactics have caused a
degradation in the full faith and credit of the United States.These
people live in a Pollyanna world that has nothing to do with reality.
Lee says he is a GOP but John Boehner says his balanced budget bill was
basically out of touch, and it ran contrary to party politics.Lee is
a good example of one man pushing his own agenda on a state and country. It may
not necessarily be bad but it is not what he was elected to do.
"Lee's Growing Influence"?Of 10 Republicans who asked for
his endorsement, he only endorsed two?How is that "growing
influence"?I have said it before, and I will say it again. I
knew Rex Lee. Mike Lee is the apple that fell very far from the tree!Lee calls his politics "principled"; Others see it for what it
really is: simpleminded and naive.
Let's see. Lee was willing to let the U.S. default on its bills, and lose its
AAA credit rating if Congress didn't PASS a balanced budget amendment. Really shocking to say the least. Thanks UT.
To Springvillepoetwho laments Lee's "unwillingness to work with other
members in Congress..." andto Esquirewho blasts Lee for
being "an obstructionist"You both have hit the nail on the
head, and you don't even know why. Our country has fallen into this financial
mess exactly BECAUSE no one would say NO to the spending, NO to the
ever-expanding growth of the Fed, and NO to the entrepreneur-stifling
regulations placed on business who create jobs. There were no
"obstrucionists" when we needed them. It is precisely BECAUSE too
many congressmen were willing to "work with other members in Congress"
- all because it sounds so reassuring to be labeled a non-partisan,
reach-across-the-isle type of person by the ultra liberal leaning media - to
pass economy killing legislation that raises taxes, expands the reach of
government, and cripples businesses with onerous regulations.Atta
boy Mike Lee! You go ahead and obstruct the learching to the left! You go
ahead and refuse to work with your legislative collegues who believe in failed
I spoke with Mike Lee several times before he was elected to the US senate. He
continually pointed out the need for a balanced budget amendment, and the need
to return to fiscal responsibility. For those who say he is not looking out for
the interests of the people here in Utah is an outright lie. Like him or hate
him he is doing exactly what he said he would do. He was elected by a large
majority to do what he is doing. For that I say well done Senator Lee. Dave
are you referring to the 500 point dive the stock market took right after the
President Obama signed the bill to raise the debt ceiling?
Lee is exactly what the doctor ordered for America. He's the right man in the
right place at the right time. The best part is political calculations don't
drive his decision making.
Senator Lee will become the conservative conscience of the Senate just as
Senator Bennett became known for his willingness to compromise us into ruinous
debt. Debt Spending instead of spend only what we have is what got us into to
trouble. Just because that is how we run our government does not mean its the
right way as Thomas Jefferson said,"I wish it were possible to obtain a
single amendment to our Constitution. I would be willing to depend on that alone
for the reduction of the administration of our government; I mean an additional
article taking from the Federal Government the power of borrowing." We need
at least 51 Senators with Lee's convictions.
Mike Lee- Who - Come election time 2012
Very little of what Mike Lee has done since being elected has been a credit to
him. What he and his Tea Party colleagues are working hard at, intentionally or
not, is very effectively weakening, if not destroying, our country. His version
of the balanced budget amendment is a good example of that. I know
it sounds like an over the top statement by me. But it's really not.
If he has influence he would bring down the economy, the government and the
constitution. The framers never designed the constitution to be a tool of a ten
percent mean spirited minority. He is catering to out of state billionaires
that want control for controls sake. A petition should be started to obtain his
Any extremism is not healthy for the whole. Extremism in spending
and creating government entitlements is dire. Extremism in budget
cuts and not allowing the government to function is appalling. The
correct position is usually found somewhere in the middle. I was
excited to see the Tea Party emerge, but now I can see it is just a cluster of
right winged radicals as far in one direction as the liberal fanatic left is in
the other direction.What we need is Common Sense which is currently
on the Endanger Representative list.
Mike Lee is a great American. We need more elected officials with his integrity
and focus on fiscal responsibility.
Want to see how much influence Lee has?Just look at the way he is leading
Orrin Hatch around by the nose!For those brain surgeons out there
who fault Lee for not working with other members of congress, consider this:The nation's finances are heading for a cliff. Lee wants to turn that
train while he can and you want him to negotiate? Oh brother. What if you were
in a car and the driver was heading straight for a washed out bridge, how much
negotiating would you do with the driver? I bet you would grab the wheel and
try to wrest control before it was too late.There are some things
you cannot negotiate on.
I like how liquid the stock market is. It corrects its self constantly and
those corrections are efficient. Government corrections have typically required
blood-shed. If only our government corrections could be as fluid as the market,
they wouldn't be so drastic.The longer the US keeps spending money
it doesn't have, the more drastic the correction will eventually be. Get ready
for inflation, you voted for it.
Even though Senator Bennett was a supposed conservative, his influence and
ability to compromise gave us perpetual excessive deficit spending even when
Republicans had both the House and the Senate. Both Republicans and Democrats
in Congress and the Senate are to blame. Why continue with the same people in
office when the ship is sinking? Why not go with someone like Senator Lee who
will at least try to plug the holes, right the ship and bail-out the water that
is sinking us with increasing speed?Lee was not for default. He did
want to make things happen to begin to control deficit spending. He is one a
mover and shaker who at least has addressed the debt and deficit and been able
to create serious discussion. We will not default on our debts, but we must
get our spending under control or we will have an economic catastrophe the likes
we have never seen.Lee is not led by the Tea Party, by the Kochs or
anyone else. Lee is a constitutionalist, just look at his background, it is
part of his being, it is how he grew up. We need 6 8 more Senators like him.
Sen. Lee and the other tea party people need to take economics 101. They were
ready to ruin the economy. I hope Mike Lee is a ONE term senator. I will not
vote for him.
If so many on the left and in the middle hate him so much he must be doing
something right.If somebody doesn't stand up and say we're going in
the wrong direction we will never turn things around.The 'enough
already' message is right. That's why the opposition has given up on legitimate
political discourse and has resorted to name calling to fight the positive
influence of the TEA Party movement.
Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz are only trying to make a name for themselfs. They
continue to put themselfs above the interests of Utah and the country. One
and done for both.
Thank heaven that Lee's balanced budget amendment fell short. It's bad policy
that would hamstring the goverment when it needs to make emergency fiscal
adjustments, and would effectively force the elimination of most
"entitlement" federal safety net programs including Social Security
and Medicare. That is the real objective of the so called Balanced Budget
Amendment. You may fool some people Mr. Lee, but not this citizen. Run for
Senator, it will be the best way to get you completely out of office.
as I read these comments...it is clear many of you simply do not get the tea
party or Mike Lee. He is doing EXACTLY what needs to be done. He is not
seeking out the establishment on either side, he is building his own
"establishment", which is the only way you change washington. Guy is a
leader...he doesn't need pats on the back from dirty hands or affirmation from
crooks. To simply go court the good ole' boys, he would eventually
find himself owing to them, and then it starts...compromise turns into
compromising principals, and soon we no longer recognize the guy in office.Those of you whining about whats good for Utah...REALLY? Thats the me
first mentality that results in Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and everyone elected
from California and New York...Whats good for Utah is fixing
Washington...capice?Man I can't wait to see this board when he is in
a position to take aim at activist judges, and overall unconstitutioanl behavior
coming from the justice department and the oval office...exciting stuff...hope
and change we could all understand.
Anyone who thinks Mike Lee is a strong supporter of the Constitution and the
concept of original intent should go back and listen to his speech on the floor
of the Senate just before the vote on the debt limit increase. He say that
Congress should have its authority as provided in the Constitution limited. In
other words, he does not support the Constitution as written by the Founding
Fathers and wants to substitute his judgment for theirs. He cannot have it both
ways, arguing original intent, but on his selective issues arguing that changing
times requires a changing approach.
Sad to see so many people that don't understand what Senator Lee's position was.
Thank you Mike Lee for all you did and are doing. Again it proves all those that
say we have to keep Hatch in for his years of experience and a freshman cannot
have any influence. We've listened to those lies long enough. New blood can have
great influence much more than Hatch has with 34 years in office. Even though
most of these posts will be negative against Lee there are 1000's of my friends
who feel the same as I do but don't write in. Thanks again Lee for caring about
us and our country and trying to get the debt under control.
goinfishn, Christine, and all others who talk of Senator Lee as one and done.
I'm confused as to what you thought he was going to do once in office, I also
highly doubt any of you actually voted for him in the first place. For those of
you who actually did vote for him, and are now angry with what he's doing you
didn't listen to him during his campaign. No One Of Consequence-You are exactly
right. I love to hear liberals complain about Mike Lee, because that just means
he's sticking to his campaign promises and doing what he stated from the
beginning that he'd do. Fyi goinfishn Chaffetz is in his second term so I guess
your one and done doesn't apply to him.
No one is suggesting that the deficit can be eliminated right away. To get out
of this mess we must start with a first step. A balanced budget amendment
passed by the House and Senate would then require ratification by the states.
It would take years to get it all finalized and become part of the Constitution
but progressing toward such and beginning to cut the out of control spending can
save us from the economic catastrophe which surely shall be if we dont do
something soon. (remember the budget is bigger than last year they just slowed
the ever increasing deficit from what it otherwise would have been, and called
it a cut smoke and mirrors). A balanced budget amendment will still have
provisions for debit in times of defined emergency as agreed to by the
Congressional and Executive Offices. To all who defend continual
out of control spending, to all who think individuals and this Nation cannot
function without ever increasing debt. Please tell how big the debt can go
before we have collapse? How long can you run out of control spending before
the day of economic reckoning? How close to the economic cliff are we?
Truth. "Hostile to Utah's beliefs?." Newspapers, modern
democracy's ink-stained bastions of government accountability, are losing
readers across the country, despite valiant efforts to stay afloat. So for more
rating's, hyperboil, feeding frenzy, saddled with choosing between
metamorphosing into different incarnations or shutting their doors, an ominous
question becomes more pressing with each passing day, of who really is Utah's
Mike Lee?. Sen. Mike Lee and other Koch brother Republicans say Obama has placed
too many restrictions on oil production as gas prices rise. The Energy
Information Administration, the statistical arm of the Energy Department is none
other then, you guessed it, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) that recently tallied a few
more items on his growing list, off of the Koch brothers and the John Birch
Society. Their under the table "Covert Operations". The Koch brothers
are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and
corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight
of industry especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the
brothers corporate interests. All while they play both ends and get filthy rich
off of the Elderly, poor and middle-class, disabled, Veterans again. That's my truthful views.
Default was never going to happen. Plenty money to pay debt without raising the
debt limit. Those who think that was likely show Einstein's wisdom when he said:
"There are only two truly infinite things: the universe and
stupidity....and I am not sure about the universe."Lee's
influence demonstrates seniority is way over valued. Principle and risking one's
re-election to fight for one's values is more important....albeit rare in
Washington.Three cheers for Lee.
Shawn said, "Mike Lee has no credibility because he doesn't know how our
monetary system works. It is a debt based system. How does an individual and
it's government ever get out of debt when the system by design is to keep you in
debt?"And Mike in Cedar City said to SENATOR Lee, "Run for
Senator, it will be the best way to get you completely out of office."Poor Shawn and poor Mike! Wouldn't it be a catastrophic if
our government didn't have any debt? Makes you wonder why the prophets advise
us to avoid debt like a plague, and why they tell us to "get out of debt
and stay out of debt."And then there are the civic minded
citizens like Mike who think that if SENATOR Lee were to run for the SENATE, we
would be rid of him. Mike, you might like to know that SENATOR Lee will not be
up for reelection to the SENATE until 2014.
Hey Mike in Cedar City- you seem confused. You stated, "Run for Senator,
it will be the best way to get you completely out of office." I'm not sure
if you remember, he did run for senator and won by a great majority in the
general election. Maybe you have him confused with congressman Chaffetz. Next
election cycle I'd a try to pay a little more attention. With that said, I say
great job Senator Lee keep up the good work.
Mr. Lee: ten years ago all we talked about was 9-11 and security and which
party was weak on defense and so on------today it is a different
message--------2 years it will be a different message. If only there was a
tea party on Sept. 12 2001.
Mike and Orren are both good arguments for term limits! How long can Utah stand
the embarrassment of Lee spewing DeMint garbage and the Orrinating of Hatch.
Their crap is only outdone by the nonsense of Waddoups!
@VeracityYou say the correct solution is usually in the middle. You
are absolutely right, but where is the middle?At the extreme right
you have no government which gets you anarchy. Under anarchy the people abuse
each other.At the extreme left you have total government or tyranny. Under
tyranny the government abuses the people.Freedom only exists between
anarchy and tyranny. We need just enough government to prevent anarchy and no
more. It is not about big government vs small government. It's right sized
government doing the right things.What are the right things?Government should do those things that only government can do such as
national defense, foreign relations, law enforcement, judicial services, etc.Government should also do those things that government does better than the
private sector such as building roads, bridges, water systems, utilities
(although many operate most efficiently as public private partnerships).The private sector should do the things that the private sector does best,
commerce, manufacturing, production, charity, poverty relief, etc.There
things such as religion and the press that only the private sector should do.We are in this mess because Government grew way beyond all reason.
Gandalf, I thought you wanted to destroy the ring of power, not centralize power
and increase it. The federal government now spends an annual 25 percent of
GDP. Local and state governments spend 17 percent of GDP and much of that
spending is mandated by federal law. Individuals and businesses spend another
15 percent of GDP each year to comply with govermnent regulations. So, 57
percent is not a big enough government?During the first 140 years of
our nation's history when we made the greatest leap of progress in human
history, governments at all levels spent an average of 7 percent GDP a year.
So, let see. Mike Lee is an ineffectual radical because he wants a
constitutional amendment to balance the budget and mandate that federal spending
cannot exceed 18 percent of GDP? Gandalf, Mike Lee is Frodo, the
ring bearer. He may seem small and insignificant, but he has what others don't.
He loves freedom more than government control. He believes that our rights
come from our Creator--not from some mammoth, centralized, all-knowing
government on the banks of the Potomac. FRODO LIVES!!!!
Mike Lee and most of his comrades are unpatriotic and un-American rabble
rousers, fear mongerers, hate mongerers and as one poster pointed out,
obstructionists. If you can't be in a democracy you should leave it. I believe
that Lee has read the constitution, well, I hope he has, but I don't believe he
has studied it or constitutional law. I don't trust a lot of these supposedly
"of the people" Tea Party politicians because I think most of them
sound like that crazy aunt or uncle we all have whose rhetoric is just shy of
promoting total anarchy. They are ravenous wolves waiting to devour every cent
and freedom we have, under their guidance our nation's free market, social
services, constitution and families, yes I said families, will be dismantled.
If one state's agenda were the only one to consider then we wouldn't live in a
nation with representation from all states. I really hope that this anarchist
isn't really representing the majority of Utahns, if so, you should repeal all
of your elected leaders and engage in some statewide therapy on why there is so
much hate and malice coming out of "Zion".
I originally thought either Bennett or even Bridgewater would be better but Lee
is making me believe that seniority in Congress doesn't mean a thing. Smarts,
hard work and a knowledge of what our founding fathers wanted means a whole lot
more. Go Mike!
Lee and the Republican Delegation in Utah have taken the Republican party so far
to the right theyve brought the Democratic party front and center and very
appealing to moderate Independents. Youll find that even people that want
reform and government programs cut will change their position when those cuts
effect them or someone they care about.
As witnessed by a mass of gold stars accompanying each slam of this poor,
extreme and simple minded example of leadership--the people of Utah may be
generally conservative, but they are not isolationists or haters. The tea party
will pay and pay dearly in days to come. Sadly, so may the Republican Party for
their pandering to and need for acceptance by an extreme and selfish, fractured
Mike Lee's affiliation with the Tea Party does not impres me. His ultra
conservatism is why I did not vote for him. The Tea Party is focused on
patriotic rhetoric propaganda but has abolutely no solutions for the huge
economic problems facing so many in this country. I'm so put off by the
"freedom" slogans. Freedom from what? So many Tea Partiers are older
retired people who have Medicare as their health insurance and receive Social
Security checks. Do they want "freedom" from their health insurance
and part (or in many cases all) of their retirement benefits? Does Mike Lee
realize how many Utahns live out of the Wasatch Front and are just struggling to
find one job that can support their family instead of several part-time jobs
without benefits? Mike Lee may have the financial luxury of living his life
without those worries. After all, as a congressman he does not participate in
the social security program and has his own health care program. A good economy
needs workers and productivity as well as fiscal responsibility.
The only thing that keeps me from regretting my vote for Lee is remembering that
Bridgewater would have been worse. It's sad that so many of our elections come
down to the lesser of two evils. We need a "none of the above" option
on our ballots. I can just see the news story now "In an interesting turn
of events, both candidates lost tonight's election."
Reading these comments and looking at the recommendations is very troubling.
All Mike Lee did was try to turn this nation away from a financial cliff
and put us on a path to a balanced budget and fiscal responsibility. For that he
is called an extremist, irresponsible, and many other names.The
first rule of holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging!We
need a plan to get us back to a balanced budget, and then pay off the debt.Congress has demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with our money. We need
a balanced budget amendment to force responsibility.If one of my
children run up bills like Congress did and does, they could be cut off. They
would face some hard facts.Those who recommend the anti-Lee comments
here and the commentors themselves are a huge part of the problem.Isaiah 5:4 And they shall good evil and evil good.Sad, very sad.
The backlash has begun. The watershed was the Senator's announced attempt to
filibuster the debt ceiling. It is time for reasonable leaders that understand
the constitution was not written for a self-serving narrow minded agenda.
I do not doubt Senator Lee's sincerity, or his convictions, though I do take
issue with his views of effective leadership. We do not elect our
representatives to be obstructionists or to merely protest what they do not
agree with. Surely Senator Lee understands that the Consitution is a product of
difficult, often painful compromise. The very ability to govern well through
negotiation and compromise is at the very heart of American democracy. One has
only to read the early letters and papers of our founding fathers to comprehend
the many compromises contained in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have
grown so weary of the religiosity of party affiliations, and would like to see
diversity of ideas debated without all the demonizing of those with whom we do
not agree. The core principles of conservatism and liberalism present good ideas
on how we would like to see our country progress and , and we need to arrive at
solutions as adults, not partisans with religious ferver for only one point of
view. I hope see the good Senator demonstrate his willingness to not only
represent all his consituents, but also respectfully work with the others across
Can anybody name an actual accomplishment that Sen. Lee has made during his time
in office? I've asked all the Mike Lee supporters I can find and, thus far,
nobody can give me a straight answer.
Senator Lee has made a number of great errors. He has time to correct them. If
he does not make the corrections he will be kicked out like Senator Bennett was,
and like Senator Hatch is soon to be.
To all the defenders of the status quo, what are you going to do with out of
control spending? Mike Lee has presented a plan for a balanced budget and
control of spending. He could not vote for the bill because it does essentially
nothing but put off any real decisions while we run up ever increasing deficits.
Oh, I'm sorry I guess the bill did "slow" the rate of
increase in the debt from what was otherwise planned. An increase is still an
increase and we call it a cut and demand a compromise. Get real.chinookdoctor: sounds like alot of hate and malice coming out of Pasadena to
me.PhillipCar: We have all got to share a little pain right now
with cuts, if we do not be the deficit/debt under control we will all suffer a
lot of pain in the future.
Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, etc... This new, young, conservative, smart,
qualified brand of US senators have given me hope in congress for the first time
in 30 years. I have followed Mike for some time and like his Dad Rex, Mike is a
principled, smart leader that should give America hope and Utah alot of pride.
The left hates these new senators and it sort of reminds me of what king George
and the British thought of the American patriots during the revolution. I
finished reading the best selling book 1776 (everyone should read this) and I
was struck with the hate, and the total disregard that the British leaders and
newspapers had for Washington, Adams, and the rest. Even with all the bad press,
our patriot leaders pressed on until they finished their task and formed a new
constitution and nation. It is that same constitution that the British of 1776
hated and the radical left media, politicians, Hollywood elite of today also
hate. Our constitution will be kept in tact today by Mike Lee and the other
fresh faces that were elected in the 2010 elections. Gives you hope!!
It is amazing how many people just don't get it. We're in trouble people and
it's time to wake up. Please name one person in politics who has had any
foresight about the big picture - if you can they are very few indeed. Most in
Washington are worried about their re-election, perks, and that's about it.
Most, if not all, are too afraid to stand for any meaningful principles. How have the slimiest, self serving narcissists, taken over D.C.? And,
driven the worlds most successful and rich country over a cliff? Hey, business
as usual sounds like a good idea, right?There has been really no
difference in Dems or Repubs for a very long time, that's been obvious to even
the casual observer. As I've said before(and desnews has blocked my civil
comments?)if any business leaders in the private sector were caught running
their business like those in washington, they'd be sent to prison. I'm just
I realize there will have to be cuts to my future Social Security. I realize
there will have to be cuts to my future Medicare. Defense spending is going to
take massive cuts. All programs need to be cut to some degree. Cut my tax
deductions by limiting or eliminating them. Everyone should have some skin in
the game. Lets get on with what has to be done or the mess we are in will only
be a portent of a catastrophic economic reality yet to come.If a
person has a life threatening wound you dont just give them unit after unit of
blood in transfusion. You stop the bleeding first; you may use tunicate to shut
off the flow of blood in order to save the body. In some cases a limb may have
to be amputated but all efforts are used to save the body. To put ever
increasing amounts of money into the government without first repairing the
wounds through which we are financially bleeding to death is foolish. Mike Lee
would also have made a wise doctor. When out of work, I learned to
economize. The Nation can too!
@Linus. Our monetary system is based on debt. If private individuals and the
government did not go into debt there wouldn't be any money.Ask
yourself how does money enter the economy? The Bureau of engraving and printing
makes the dollar bills but they do not hand out money. The government has to get
the money from us or borrow it, so they do not insert money into the economy.The only way money exist in our monetary system is by going into debt.
The promissory note you signed to buy a car, house or what ever is money and
didn't exist until you signed on the dotted line.Federal reserve
notes are backed by treasury securities, which is debt.And this is
why I say Mike Lee has no credibility because he is attacking the symptom and
not the disease. He hasn't called for monetary reform and you know why? Because
that would involve nationalizing the Federal Reserve which is a big bad word
today.The issuing of money should be a sovereign right given back to
the people of the United States instead of letting private entities issuing it
as for profit debt.
really glad Mike is in the senate. With his constitutional law experience plus
his knowledge in dealing with the US Supreme Court Mike has all the experience
and knowledge. Mike is also a Reagan conservative and add his young age and no
Washington "good ole boys" ties and you have a powerful new force in
the US senate. I think Mike is going to be a leader in washing out the liberal
Marxist sludge out of the senate and making sure the bills produced are
constitutional. Excited Mike is there !!! A great sign is that the liberal left
is trashing him!!
Brother Chuck Schroeder whose back did George Soros ride on the his wealth, how
many small folk did he step on, in his path for power. The financier of
moveon.org and other liberal elements.
Believe me it is not a few Liberal Democrats on here berating Mike Lee but a
good bunch of Conservative Republicans as well. Lee is trying to lead the
country down the garden path with his tea party ideas but he has not a clue
where he is leading to. If the Republicans don't get there act together and
dump the likes of Mike Lee and his tea party buddies there is not going to be a
viable Republican Party left. There is a lot of smiles and snickering going on
now about the Republicans and it won't be long before it will be out right, full
on laughter and the party crumbles.
patriot | 2:45 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 "Mike is also a Reagan
conservative" Uh, no. Reagan would be blackballed by the Tea Party and
their kind."liberal Marxist sludge" Nice touch referring
to your fellow Americans as sludge. Your name calling is a typical example of
the disrespect the extremes have for America and Americans."A
great sign is that the liberal left is trashing him!!" No, the mainstream
GOP and left are trashing him because his positions are so far out of
reality.Also, one cannot call themselves a patriot. Patriot is a
title given by others' after patriotic actions.
@chinookdoctor | 10:17 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Obstructionist,
extremist...Ah yes here comes the name calling...so from the 2010 doctrine.What is it that Mr. Lee has done, specifically that makes him an
extremist and obstructionist...did he defy standing law? Did he organize people
to defy standing law? Thats an obstructionist in my book, and Mr. Obama, and
the Justice department are the only ones I see doing that...I
realize Californians fancy themselves as superior due to their geographically
induced intelect and social justice endeavors, however, I think you all have
lost any credibility to talk about whats wrong with government, or specifically
how bad a Utah Rep is for the country...California is foreshadowing what is in
store for this nation...raise of hands...anyone want to be bankrupt?
Isn't it a little disingenuous to complain that Mike Lee is not representing all
of Utah. He was voted in to represent the majority that elected him. If Sam
Granato had been elected I would hardly expect him to be representing the
conservitive side of Utah. Just as I don't expect Obama to have my political
interests at heart. Liberals think they can make the conservitives feel guilty
for not having their interests in mind. It must work because most the
republicans in congress will cave to the concept of compromise. Which in
liberal speak means our way or no way.
I wish Mike Lee would fight as hard for the middle class as he does for
protecting the wealthy's Tax breaks.He was playing a very dangerous
game by not voting for a bill that helped our country avoid default. His
argument that having a lower credit rating and higher interest rate would not
cost us more money is one of the worst examples of applied mathematics I've ever
seen. But I wouldn't expect someone who believes in trickle down economics to be
very good at math. Mike Lee is not a friend to the middle class.
Mike Lee and his Tea Party folks just caused our credit rating to slide below
Canada, France, the UK and more. Thank you
RE: DaveWhat? They didn't cause anything.It
was Obama and the Demcratic contolled sente that was unwilling to really fix
the debt and deficit problems that caused the credit ratings to slide.unwilling to cut spending and live within our means caused the credit
slide.The teaparty and lee were right all along.
No spending like mad and America's huge pile of debt has caused the credit
rating to slide. Why don't people understand that? Agencies know that America
has no plan of paying back the mountain of debt that belongs to us. If the USA had more representatives like Mike Lee instead of spendthrifts who
have tried to simply throw money at problems for decades now, the USA would
still be the leading economical power in the world.
the truth | 7:11 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Holladay, UTTo directly
quote from S & P.:"we have changed our view of the
difficulties in bridging thegulf between the political parties over fiscal
policy, which makes uspessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the
Administration to beable to leverage their agreement this week into a
broader fiscalconsolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt
dynamics anytime soon."As you can see it those that
refuse reasonable compromise that cost us.
Senator Lee was a major factor in the downgrade. He get to test his theory with
the fire he wanted to start.
re:phgreek"realize Californians fancy themselves as superior due to
their geographically induced intelect and social justice endeavors, however, I
think you all have lost any credibility to talk about whats wrong with
government,"If you like Mike Lee, then you'll love the gridlock
that has plagued CA. Actually, CA is one of the most politically and
racially diverse states in the U.S. and has the largest economy in the U.S.
The past 40+ yrs Republicans have dominated the governorships. The
current U.S. House Majority Whip, Kevin McCarthy is from CA. Prop 8, favored by
Republicans passed in CA. CA is nowhere near bankrupt, but is challenged, until
recently, by a requirement that 2/3 approval by the legislature was required to
pass a budget. Now, 2/3 approval is required to raise taxes, so the Gov. has
been relegated to budget cuts (Gover Norquist badly misinformed on this topic).
Then, of course there was the $40-$45 billion tab from the Enron debacle that
wiped out the state surplus.
dave@7:33Really, isn't the real problem the debt that the USA has
accumulated? I mean, if the USA doesn't have debt at this point, are we even
having this discussion? Shame on those who frivolously spent the USA to this
point. And a cheer for the tea party for attempting to slow down
the debt problem in the USA so future generations are not dealing with the same
issues. Even if it means downgrade, hopefully it will shake the core of the
washington. We've seen way too many games and free spending for the last 50
one vote @ 7:40Actually Mike Lee's propositions got shot down by his
colleagues. So you can't really pin this on him can you? If his ideas had been
embraced, the USA's credit downgraded and subsequently the USA fell apart, you
might have a point. No one wanted to compromise with his efforts, why is Mike
Lee supposed to take the heat for this, especially when democrats had YEARS to
figure something out.
@Truthseeker | 7:53 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 "Actually, CA is one of
the most politically and racially diverse states in the U.S. and has the largest
economy in the U.S."So I think the relevance here is largest
economy maybe? Which is even more troubling given the financial state of the
state...how do you screw that up?"The past 40+ yrs Republicans
have dominated the governorships. The current U.S. House Majority Whip, Kevin
McCarthy is from CA. Prop 8, favored by Republicans passed in CA. "I think Republicans and Democrats can stink equally...whats your point?
"CA is nowhere near bankrupt..."I beg to
differ...if you aren't anywhere near bankrupt, why have all the state employees
had to turn in their Cell phones? Tell me about the re-orgs going on in the
state government. Shall we cover some of the "Programs" the State of
california has in place...akin to entitlements? You can bellow all you want
about being hamstrung, ENRON, etc. but the truth is, these
"limitations" are not new...you people can't ballance a budget because
you lack the fortitude to do so...and your reps. carry the disease to DC
We the people have forgotten whose boss. We the people are. So did Mike Lee
speak in behalf of the people or for a party? No gov. offical has more power
than "we the people" have. So Mike Lee doesn't have to cave in to his
party, but his party has to cave into "We the people". The Tea Party
is "We the peope". Mike's bill is only your call away. Make your
The tea party debt downgrade has put him now in front of the wave of the tea
Lets see, since the tea party did their little stunt, the US credit rating has
fallen, the markets are in a free fall... and any recovery we had, is not likely
gone.Good job... way to stand on principle. When the market
returns to its Bush era levels of 6500.... we can all thank them for killing the
run up that took us to nearly the 13,000 mark. Politics at any
cost. When all your mortgages go up and credit card rates spike because they
are tied to the fed rate, you can all send your letter of thanks to Mr. Lee.
By the way, I don't disagree with the over riding principles of the tea party -
rather its methods.The leading reason for the downgrade..."the ability of lawmakers to agree on effective policy."Confidence has been lost that the two parties can set aside politics to build
reasonable consensus policy. I don't blame the S&P.... but the cost to us
all is going to be really high for this stunt they put is through.
"Let's see. Lee was willing to let the U.S. default on its bills, and lose
its AAA credit rating if Congress didn't PASS a balanced budget
amendment"-------Absolutely completely wrongIf a debt
ceiling increase was NOT passed, the USA could still pays its debts (and social
secutity and medicare) - but would need to cut elsewhereAND the
debt ceiling WAS raised and the rating was downgraded anyhow because there is
too much debt.If you are going to condemn LEE, at least be accurate