doesn't matter if Utah is picked to finish first or last, there is nothing less
credible then a preseason media poll.
Prove them wrong Utah.I think it is funny how the self-proclaimed experts
actually get paid to analyze data, feed it to the public, be wrong most of the
time, then make excuses about why they were wrong. Then we dwell on their
next predictions as if they were always right.
Not really a Utah fan, but I think Utah will take second behind USC, and then
get that spot in the Pac 12 championship game.
The debate and predictions will end pretty soon, thankfully.
If the poll had picked the u as first it would have been the most credible and
accurate around. I think the poll is pretty close, remember if the u finishes
second to USC they would get the championship game, USC can't, one of many in
the pac 10 that may find themselves ineligible to play. If the u can stay
"clean" they could back into it.
Look for USC to absolutely fall apart down the stretch. A Week minded coach and
players with not a lot to play for is not a winning recipe. Football is right
around the corner, I cannot wait.Go Utes!
Many people pick Utah to win the division. Dodged a bullet with USC being down,
and no Oregon or Stanford on the schedule. Last year was needed wake up call
after the good start. This year the players will know that even after a few
wins and a good ranking that we can't even stop improving.I'm
convinced Whittingham will have the guys ready to play from day 1.Rose Bowl here we come.
Given the poor outlook for most PAC-12 south teams, this is probably a pretty
good guess. USC will win the division, and ASU is set to have a break-out
season. With Utah's poor finish last year, I don't see them beating either USC
or ASU and they'll have their hands full with UCLA as well. Vegas odds have
them winning 7.5, with most experts saying the safe bet is with the under. With
a new OC and a QB who hasn't practiced for 8 months, it looks like a long year
for the Utes. @Chris B - I've only seen 2 people picking Utah to
win the South, and they're both from small market papers. All the real experts
have them finishing in the middle of the pack.Also, Rose Bowl?!? You
seriously think you can beat Stanford or Oregon when this same team barely
squeaked by a 6/6 BYU team last year?
I predict Utes 9-3 but lose a division tie breaker with ASU to go to the
Championship game. It will be fun to see how this new adventure turns out.
3rd?Not going to happen. Arizona State is overrated. USC could go
either way, but with all the trashing that their program has taken the past few
years, I see more problems both on and off the field for them.It
will be a Utah Oregon showdown for the title.
TJ | 8:44 a.m. July 26, 2011 Eagle Mountain, UT"I think it is
funny how the self-proclaimed experts actually get paid to analyze data, feed it
to the public, be wrong most of the time, then make excuses about why they were
wrong. Then we dwell on their next predictions as if they were always
right."Hey-leave economists out of this.
Thankfully, Wynn gets a home tuneup game before having to face USC and BYU on
Vegas,Did I say Utah would be Oregon or Stanford.No.I said "Rose Bowl here we come."2 teams will play
in the Rose Bowl. I think 1 of them will be Utah.Now that wasn't
too difficult was it.Oh - and congrats on your bowl acceptance
already before the season starts.That is, if you can make it back to
6-6 after another 1-4 startLOL
This is the year that Arizona State has to make it to the Rose Bowl or Dennis
Erickson is gone. Look for some fight from the Sun Devils!
ChrisUmmm, I think you need to brush up on your bowl game contract.
The winner of the PAC-12 conference plays the winner of the Big 10 in the rose
bowl. To get there you have to beat the winner of the PAC-12 North, which will
likely be Oregon or Stanford. So, you would have to beat (not "be")
one of them to make it to the Rose Bowl. Is that clearer for ya?
How will the Utes do? Who knows - but it's so great to wonder. I
am really hoping they do well, not just for the university's sake but also to
prove the best of the non-BCS conference can indeed compete with those in BCS
conferences!!! So Boise State, Brigham Young, TCU (although you'll make your
own argument next year!) and other's this year's for you also.Go
I'm a huge Ute fan, but, I think to many of us are getting a little to far ahead
of ourselves. This first year may turn out great, but it also could be shaky
given that:1) For the first time we're playing tough teams week in
and out 2) Our quarterback that we'll be relying on 100% is just coming
off surgery and we have no clue how he'll be3) Our running backs have zero
experience (although they do look pretty talented)4) And we're completely
switching our offensive scheme with Norm Chow now at the helm.We
might have a great year, but, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't so great...
3rd in MWC third in Pac 12...glad to see the U moving up!
BTW--I do believe Whittingham will have Utah ready to play. I am convinced we
can play with and beat anyone in the Pac-12. I actually expect a harder game
with byu than anyone on our conference schedule. To be honest, that could be our
one loss this year.
About what I thought. And behind Oregon, Stanford and Washington...that's sixth
and probably the Las Vegas Bowl to lose to the mwc runner up of tcu and BSU.
The winner between those two gets another BCS bowl, which u can now only dream
of in the conference of champions.
All this poll says is that USC is always going to be the most talented, but the
difference between USC, ASU, Utah and even Arizona, is not a big margin. I
think any of USC, ASU and Utah could win the South. The USC probation won't be
much of a factor. They play Utah, ASU and Arizona in the first 5 weeks. The
reality of not getting to play in a bowl game no matter how good they are won't
have set in by then. They could easily beat all 3 and it doesn't change a thing
as far as the South title goes.
So much of Utah's success rides on how well Wynn plays, if he becomes the QB we
thought he'd be after his freshmen season, then the Utes have a shot at a Pac 12
championship, if he's injured like he was last year, then we'll be fortunate to
make a bowl game.
I think the media is pretty close to accurate with this prediction. The UTES
have never had this tough of schedule week in and week out. Other than Montana
St, the UTES could lose to each and every team they play on any given week.
There are no more New Mexico's, Wyomings, Colorado St, or UNLV on our schedule.
The UTES could also win every game they have on their schedule as well. We could
beat USC on the road, and AZ St at home, and still blow it to UCLA, or AZ and
not make it to the Pac 12 Championship game. That is the joy of being in a
better conference, and playing a tough schedule. The X factor will be Wynn. If
he stays healthy, & plays well, the team should be OK. I think that 1 of the
3 RB's will make an impact, and Whit always finds a way to make the secondary
somewhat decent. Just 37 more days till kickoff. It will be fun to watch it all
play out, & hopefully the UTES can be respectable their 1st year in the new
@TruthIgnoring the fact that Utah finished 2nd in the MWC last year,
I know how facts and BYU fans are often ignored, here's the real interesting
equation for you:5th in the MWC, off to play by yourselves in
obscurity.Another fact for you. It was a terrific time for BYU to
leave the MWC this year. Considering the fact that they hadn't finished 1st in
4 years. Why be 3rd fiddle when you can claim a "conference" title
Williary - I'd hardly call 11 ESPN televised games "obscurity". On
the other hand, KJZZ and Versus just might qualify for that term. Hey, at least you can get on ESPN without BYU's help if you make it to the
williaryMore facts, that you chose to ignore:BYU
finished in the Top 15 three times in the last five years and won two MWC
championships. Bronco never lost to a MWC bottom dweller. BYU has been ranked in
the AP Top 25 SEVENTEEN times in the last 34 years. BYU has won 23 conference
championships in the last 46 years.Utah finished in the Top 15 one
time in the last five years and won one MWC championship. Kyle lost to every MWC
bottom dweller. Utah has only been ranked in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their
entire history. Utah has only won 6 conference championships in the last 60
years. The historical records for both programs suggests that there
is a much higher probability of Utah playing itself into obscurity, than BYU.
@ willary. Where did you get 5th in the MWC? BYU hasn't finished lower than
3rd in the MWC since the Crowton era. They finished 3rd last year, in a down
year. Good luck to the Utes in the Pac, but I feel some of you are a little
dillusional. I think you will find that this poll will be very accurate, and
the Pac north champ is going to stomp the southern rep.
"Where did williary get 5th in the MWC?"Some fans are
prone to spouting hyperbole when the "facts" don't support their
distorted view of reality.
Third in the PAC South? That is third out of six teams!
Definitely "middle of the PAC!"
If Utah finishes ahead of any other teams in the PAC-12 South, it will have been
a good season. I can think of 20 million reasons why.
You gotta love all these jelous Cougar fans. Even if the poll is proved correct,
3rd in the pac 12 south is better than an 11-1 non - Notre Dame independant.
I'd love to see the Utes beat USC, but it won't be the end of the world if we
don't. If we win the rest of our conference games we still get into the
Conference Title game. Looking forward to seeing how we do and hoping the media
have us underrated.
I love it williary! your simple comment got the peanut gallery going.
Picked 5th overall. I expect a few more hiccups with the new O and Chow's
suffocating way of coaching. Head coach/OC battles on the horizon. Utah's bright spot...as always with a Coach Whitt team...Defense. However, a
weak BYU team last year gave the D fits. That can't happen in the PAC 12 or it
won't be a bowl year at all.
Here are my bold predictions: BYU will not win a conference title
this yearUtah will win some of its games this year (not the BYU
game, that is almost a given in my opinion)In the PAC12, Utah will
get better and better as it has shown over the past 10 years in the MWC.I see a bowl game in the future of BYU and Utah, maybe even a BCS bowl,
if that is still around then.
Arizona is going to be a big game. I thought they would be picked higher than
they are. If Utah can come in a play as well as the media believes they will, it
will be great for recruiting.
I always wonder why smug remarks are made by supporters of schools that have
recently gone independent and now have no change of winning a conference
championship nor qualifying for a BCS bowl. Such comments display a
complete misunderstanding of college football and do not reflect well upon the
gonefishn"Even if the poll is proved correct, 3rd in the pac 12
south is better than an 11-1 non - Notre Dame independant."Says
who?An 11-1 season, depending on who that one loss is to, will have
BYU ranked in the Top 10, in serious discussion for a BCS berth, and will be
seen as a very successful BYU entry into independence by everyone except the BYU
haters.A 3rd place finish in the PAC 12 South will more than likely
mean 3 to 5 losses for the Utes, no Top 25 ranking, and middle of the PAC
obscurity for Utah's PAC 12 debut. Unless Wynn returns healthy and
is able to play an entire season up to the level he did in the Poinsettia Bowl,
however, the Utes will be lucky to finish higher than 4th in the PAC 12 South,
meaning a certain bottom third of the PAC 12 finish.
Utah and BYU football programs are an absolute joke when it comes to budget,
recruiting capabilities for the truly elite athletes across the country. Let's
get real. Clearly Oregon must be given the overwhelming favorites role for the
2012 season in the PAC-12. As to Utah specifically, their quarterback Wynn will
be running for his life when he gets into the regular conference season. I
don't think he can survive the season. By the same token, BYU is in deep do do
in the early season games, and probably will struggle. Both programs will need
to get more thugs on their rosters to justify any serious consideration for
national prominence in the rankings. Whoever thinks Utah will contend for the
conference championship in their inaugural season is on something. I wish both
Utah and BYU all the best for 2012. I'm not putting pressure on either of them
for more than a middle of the road finish, as in 7-5 or possibly 8-4 max. Come
on let's get realistic here. I am troubled by both schools scheduling Mercy
State teams to pad their records as a lot of teams do.
I normally post as a Cougar, but it is not common knowledge in these parts that
I am also an Arizona Wildcat (I attended grad school there, and the U of A is in
town.). With Utah in the PAC-12, I can now rout against the Utes as a Wildcat
as well as a Cougar. Ahhh, double the pleasure, double the fun.
@Blind Cougar Fans, all of them2010 MWC Football StandingsTCUUtahAir Force 5-3SDSU 5-3BYU 5-3Don't
want to get too complex for you guys, but when check MWC 2010 Standings from
your new found partner, ESPN, BYU is 5th. Their 7-6 overall record was behind
Air Force/SDSU who finished 9-4 overall.That simple enough for
you.It's on ESPN, it must be correct.
@Shooter_McGavinOnce again, when I mention obscurity I'm talking
about on the football field. It's great that all BYU fans care
about is how many times they are on TV. Utah fans are concerned
about what actually happens on the field.
@SwoopTerrific! BYU had some really good teams, when Ronald Reagan
was President.Time to move out of the 80's. Time for
BYU to join Utah in the new era of college football, where you are judged by
your success in 1)The BCS and 2)Beating BCS teams. Something BYU has failed
miserably at on the whole.
williaryAir Force 5-3SDSU 5-3BYU 5-3BYU,
SDSU, and Air Force TIED for third in the MWC with identical 5-3 conference
records.Out of conference records are immaterial; a team could
finish 0-4 OOC, and STILL win an outright conference championship at 8-0 in
conference, even if another team was 11-1 overall.Overall record
might be used as a tie-BREAKER to determine bowl selections, but that doesn't
change the fact that three teams TIED for third.BYU beat SDSU which
beat Air Force which beat BYUSo the three teams were each 1-1 versus
the other two teams.Is that simple enough for you?
Just for the perspective of those Ute fans that hope this prediction will be
wrong and the Utes can still go to the Rose Bowl...the Pac 10.2 media poll has
successfully selected the league champion 10 of the last 11 years...just sayin'.
I'm picking Utah to be in the championship game (not sure if they can beat USC,
but it wouldn't matter this year anyway) Utes are usually good to get up for one
or two big games a year on their good years, which should work just about right
for them this year in the pac. They don't have to beat USC but get up for ASU
and the CG and you could definitely see the Utes in the Rose Bowl this year.
Think of it Utah, you could lose to USC, and BYU, but still play in the Rose
Bowl! Good luck, and show the pac and everybody else how little difference there
is between "mid-majors" and BCS. On a side note, anyone realize
how connected BYU and Utah are in utah's move to the Pac? Many coaches have ties
to both schools. It doesn't really matter who's big and little brother, point
is, that the bothers have worked together to create a winner that the BCS can
truly fear. I seriously doubt that Utah will struggle as much as UA and ASU have
in football. There's too much of a BYU connection for that!
Willie"Utah fans are concerned about what happens on the
field"Looks like you'll be obscure in both respects then.You also need to learn how to read stats - when 3 teams have the same in
conference record, it's a tie (when two things are the same number that means
that they are equal). I know that the concept is a little obscure for you, but
at least the numbers are low enough to count with your fingers so you may get
it. FYI, out of conference play doesn't have any bearing on official conference
The Utes have won 4 conference championships in the last 50+ years. That is
while playing in the WAC and MTN. WEST Conferences. To even predict they will
get to the Rose Bowl anytime soon while in the PAC-12 Conference? That is just
Sorry, not seeing the week in and out grind people are talking about, especially
the second half of the season. Four pansies and a question mark as far as I can
see on the last five games. I'm not convinced the ASU is as good as people say
right now either, although they may prove me wrong. It's a bowl season for Utah
for sure as long as they can protect their qb. Even if Winn screws up, he's not
THAT bad. THe Utes will bowl this year, it's just a matter of where. The closest
thing they'll have to a grind is the stretch from USC to ASU, and the jury's
still out on Wash.
I'm a BYU fan, but I hope that Utah does well (it is good for everyone). I
think that Utah will be 6-3 in conference play, which might be enough to get
them to the championship game. With Oregon under investigation and Harbough
gone, the conference champ is not a given.
williary"Terrific! BYU had some really good teams, when Ronald
Reagan was President."BYU did have some great teams in the
70's, 80's, and 90's.But if you do the math, I think you'll find
that the LAST FIVE YEARS are decidedly within the current era.BYU
finished in the Top 15 THREE times in the last FIVE years and won TWO MWC
championships, and Bronco NEVER lost to a MWC bottom dweller.Utah
finished in the Top 15 ONE time in the last FIVE years and won ONE MWC
championship, and Kyle lost to EVERY team in the MWC at least once, including
that humiliating 0-27 SHUTOUT to UNLV(2-10). Utah, in its entire
history has never had back-to-back Top 15 finishes, something BYU has done
numerous times, including as recently as 2006-2007.Utah fans like to
focus only on Utah's highlights, while conveniently forgetting about the
droughts of success in between.
Appreciate the link to the PAC12 media day. The promo video after the
coach/player press conferences is crazy good...lots of love for UTAH including
the MUSS! Caring less and less every day about any teams outside of the other 11
@SportsFanyou could not have missed what williary said by a wider
margin if you had tried. @williary,these guys are still
doing the safety dance and wondering when "Come on Eileen" will stop
being played on MTV.
Oregon might still be ineligible by season's end so it could conceivably by Utah
vs STanford for the title this year.
Lifelong Ute 3rd?Not going to happen. Arizona State is
overrated. USC could go either way, but with all the trashing that their program
has taken the past few years, I see more problems both on and off the field for
them.It will be a Utah Oregon showdown for the title. And the dish ran away with the spoon and the cow jumped over the moon.
CGYou are wrong about an 11-1 BYU team being in serious contention for a
BCS spot. 1)BYU is not a member of the BCS. Even the MTN west has certain
gaurantees about access. BYU has no such assurances and have to make it as an at
large team. If any non BCS team is in the top 12 they go over BYU.2)Boise
State (espn darling), was in the top 5 all last year and lost in the last second
to a legitimate team on the road (Nevada)and they recieved no at large bid.
Boise went undefeated a couple years ago and still was not invited. 3)
Notre Dame is stacked this year and should not have too hard of a time meeting
their minumum requirements for a BCS spot. 4)Regardless of what Bronco
says, the move was about TV revenue and exposure NOT BCS games or championships.
BYU is further away from a BCS than they have ever been, fact.
@Laser, "a weak BYU team last year gave the D fits." Really? One
touchdown and 16 total points means the Ute defense struggled to stop BYU?
Holding the opposition to only 16 points will win you a LOT of games. Also, BYU
was indeed weak last year, but somehow they are going to magically dominate this
year from what many fans down south tell me. I don't understand that logic.
While I do think that BYU shouldn't expect an unofficially-automatic BCS bid
with an 11-1 record, thats where the schedule comes into play. Once BYU stops
playing WAC teams for half of their schedule, their schedule is no longer in the
same category as Boise State's WAC days.If BYU were to start a
season ranked, lost one of their first couple of games (to a good team) then
finish the regular season 11-1, I seriously doubt they wouldn't be in the top 8
in the AP and Coaches polls. What it all comes down to is this: At
the end of the season, if BYU is the highest-ranked non-AQ team, don't be
surprised to see a BCS-bound, 11-1 BYU Cougars team.
Chris BryantMaybe you'd like to explain how identical 5-3 records in
conference can be anything but a tie in the conference standings.Are
Utah fans wrong when they state, unequivocally, that losing to BYU won't have
ANY affect on Utah's chances of winning the PAC 12 South?If Utah
beats Arizona which beats ASU which beats Utah, and ASU and Arizona win their
remaining games, while Utah loses to BYU, does Utah finish 1st or 3rd in the PAC
12 South?Arizona 11-1, 8-1ASU 11-1, 8-1Utah 10-2, 8-1
I hope Utah will do that well. While I'm not a UofU fan, I want to see them
represent the state in a positive way.
gonefishnHaven't TWO non-BCS teams been invited to a BCS bowl
before?And wouldn't the BCS have some serious credibility issues if
#11 TCU was invited to a BCS bowl, but #8 BYU wasn't, in the following
scenario:#7 BYU finishes 11-1, with a close 21-24 loss at #5 Texas
11-1#12 BSU 11-1 loses to #11 TCU 11-1 which loses to #7 BYU 11-1Your "facts" are nothing but BYU-hating fiction.-------Thlete"BYU was indeed weak last year, but
somehow they are going to magically dominate this year from what many fans down
south tell me. I don't understand that logic."Maybe you'd like
to explain the "logic" of a 2007 Utah team, that was so weak that it
was shutout by horrific UNLV (2-10) 0-27, bouncing back in 2008 to defeat
Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, or the "logic" of Utah's undefeated 2004
team finishing 7-5 in 2005.Apparently, only in the myopic world of
Utedom do teams enjoy such dramatic improvements or suffer such embarrassing
Oh U crazy Utes. Welcome to a real football conference. Your move will
hopefully, finally put an end to the arguments of the past couple of years that
Utah, Boise State, and Nevada (?!) deserve a shot at the national championship.
I will say TCU is legit. I think this poll is not only accurate but even
optimistic. Utes will be lucky to go 7-5 this year now that they have to play
real teams (and they stll get to avoid Oregon, Stanford, and Cal!).BTW: I especially enjoyed all of the posts about the lack of credibility in a
meaningless pre-season poll that has CORRECTLY picked the winner of the Pac-10
nearly every one of the past 10+ seasons.
Byu is Utah's weber state now. No challenge for the utes ever again.
Correction: #7 BYU
BigCougFan:"I hope Utah will do that well. While I'm not a UofU
fan, I want to see them represent the state in a positive way. "While I hope the Utes represent the State of Utah well, I hope they do it by
showing everyone how to lose often and with great dignity and class. As long as
BYU and the Arizona Wildcats own them every year, I'll give them an occasional
lardandrew1You and cg are not correct. BYU getting into A BCS game is not
in BYU's hands. Contractually, if there is a non AQ team from a non AQ
conference in the top 12 they go over BYU. If Notre Dame meets their
requirements they go ahead of BYU. It is also highly likely that even if
there is a team that did not win their conference but is in the top 10 - 15 and
in an AQ conference, they go ahead of BYU (Stanford, Arkansas, Ohio State last
year).BYU will not go to a BCS game unless they go undefeated or join a
@Swoop#1 Just curious...isn't swoop the name of our mascot? Are you
secretly a Utah fan?#2 BYU fans like to ignore BYU's
"lowlights", conveniently forgetting about UTAH STATE. Kyle
Whittingham as Head Coach, has NEVER lost to Utah State! What about Bronco??
Coins have two sides, brother.#3 When BYU goes undefeated 7 times in their
school's history, twice within the past decade within 4 years of one another and
gives the business to their BCS bowl opponents, then we will talk. BYU is the
epitome of 'overrated' and 'choke artist.' *See 'Quest for perfection' version
2008, how many times you've been ranked in the top 15 and NOT gone to a BCS bowl
game, your 'awesome' bowl record, and google "top 5 most undeserving
College Football National Champions" for reference...
gonefishn"Contractually," the BCS would look like idiots
if a 7th-ranked 11-1 BYU team beats a 12th-ranked 11-1 TCU team, and TCU gets an
"automatic" bid to a BCS game, while the higher-ranked team that beat
them ON NATIONAL TELEVISION is left out of the BCS, especially if a couple of
lower-ranked teams from AQ conferences get at-large bids.If you
don't think BYU's ESPN partner, who will be televising all of the BCS games
won't be pulling a few strings to ensure that BYU gets as invite, then you don't
live in the real world. ESPN is in the business of making money, which means
televising the most interesting games possible.
Does 3rd place get u into the Rose Bowl? Just checking.
How very mature of you, gonefishn.My statement that a BYU at 11-1
being the best-ranked non-AQ team (in my example, top-8) would mean that Notre
Dame isn't in the top 8 and, therefore, without an automatic BCS bid.Generally, the only way for a non-AQ team (besides ND) to be in the top 12 of
the BCS at the end of the regular season is to go undefeated...there have been
exceptions, but they are fairly rare. This means that there's a good chance
that BYU would only have to compete with one non-AQ team at the most.Here's my direct quote: "At the end of the season, if BYU is the
highest-ranked non-AQ team, don't be surprised to see a BCS-bound, 11-1 BYU
Cougars team. NOWHERE does that say that an 11-1 BYU team will surely get a BCS
bid, even if it is the highest-ranked. I'm just giving you a heads-up that
there's a fair chance that it could happen (thus the "don't be surprised
if...").It would be difficult, but not impossible.
RE: CordonBleuIf Utah beats Arizona which beats ASU which beats Utah, and
ASU and Arizona win their remaining games, while Utah loses to BYU, does Utah
finish 1st or 3rd in the PAC 12 South?Arizona 11-1, 8-1ASU
11-1, 8-1Utah 10-2, 8-1 Via ESPN, the next tie-breaker is BCS
rating.Under the scenario you provided, Utah's losses would be early
in the season. When it comes to polls, you want to lose early, not late. As
Arizona and Az State lose late in your scenario, they'd drop in the polls while
Utah rises on winning. Utes win the tie breaker.
3rd in South, 5th overall = Las Vegas Bowl Invite. Funny, Utah
leaves the MWC and the crappy TV an Bowl contract, and yet their first
conference game is on Versus, and their first bowl game will be the Las Vegas
Bowl! You're moving up in the world Utah...
@papa smurf ute"Other than Montana St, the UTES could lose to
each and every team they play on any given week."Finally, a
realistic perspective from a ute fan...
It appears that I am last to read the article and the last to comment on it, but
could not believe the rational entry from BYU's nemesis, Chris B. The entry
submitted between 9 and 10 actually suggested that BYU might win at least one
game this year, at the expense of Utah.Forgive us, Chris, for all of
the times that we have belittled and misjudged you.
I wish Utah all the best! well...except for the September 17th
The U has questions in their secondary and are relying on Wynn being healthy as
well as having new running backs. There's enough questions that 3rd is pretty
legitimate. Utah has a lot of variance though. Depending on how some of these
question marks turn out it's readily conceivable that they could be fighting for
first or fighting with UCLA and Colorado to not be last.
ModerateA 2-loss Utah team would never be ranked higher than 1-loss
ASU and Arizona teams, regardless of when the loss occurred.Utah
losing in week 3 and in week 6 would push the Utes to the bottom or out of the
rankings making it nearly impossible for the Utes to climb past ASU, which would
be undefeated until late November and certainly ranked high in the Top 10 before
a loss to a highly ranked Arizona.Utah wouldn't come close to
beating either team, let alone both of them, in a tie-breaker.Under
the scenario, that early season loss to BYU would cost Utah any chance of
playing in the PAC 12 championship game.btw, "tiebreaker"
implies that all three teams would "tie" for 1st place in the PAC 12
3rd place is a definite guarantee to bowling!!! Yippee, Viva Las Vegas!Maybe a repeat of last year's game???Thank you very much! (Elvis
Sammyg,Isn't the Vegas bowl what byu went to for 4 straight years
until last year when they went to a lesser bowl game? I wouldn't make fun of a
bowl game that has defined byu if I were you.
KHThe Holiday Bowl defined BYU, and BYU defined the Holiday Bowl.The Las Vegas Bowl was a fun, convenient little bowl where BYU spanked
several PAC 10 teams and routinely finished the season ranked higher than Utah.
I'm amused at the smack talk from certain Y fans about the lowly Vegas bowl
given BYU has been a mainstay there in recent history. Is the Bell Helocpter
bowl an upgrade?It's also entertaining to read cougar posts that
mock Utah's chance for winning a conference championship when BYU's chances are
0%.I congratulate BYU for putting themselves in a better situation
by going independent, but lets face it, BYU would love to be where Utah is now.
@KHFor years you precious Ute fans ridiculed BYU for playing in the
Vegas Bowl, even the coaches. And finally when you get there in 2010, the Utes
layed another nationally telvised egg.On the contrary, Utes have the
distinction of defining what the Vegas Bowl's new definition is today.At the time BYU was happy to play there, it's the Ute fans that defined for
BYU as a place of lesser achievement after they played their last BCS games.After last year, the Utes claimed it as their own bowl and dragged it
down the toilet.So ironic that the MWC champs play at the Vegas Bowl
and the doormats of the PAC as well. Welcome to the 'big' time.What
goes around, comes around doesn't it? You gotta love the irony of all of this.
"BTW--I do believe Whittingham will have Utah ready to play. I am convinced
we can play with and beat anyone in the Pac-12. I actually expect a harder game
with byu than anyone on our conference schedule. To be honest, that could be our
one loss this year."Chris B: You just provided a rational
statement and BYU fans should take it as a compliment. A lot remains to be seen,
but I like the Cougar's chances on 17 Sept. I am positive whittingham is looking
ahead at that game as one of the most important of the 2011 season.
@BoGlad you're so easily entertained. At third place it could very
well be deja vu for the Utes.So desperate to leave the MWC as a
mid-major once in a while football program and the real probability of not going
anywhere but back to Vegas is cheap and local entertainment at its best.Glad it was funny for U too! I'm still LOL!
@sammygThe difference is that Utah going to the Vegas bowl now comes
from a mediocre season. 10-2 doesn't mean the Vegas bowl anymore.Go
Re: sammygActually you should be LOL at your pathetic home schedule
this year minus the Utes of course. I would demand a refund if I was a season
ticket holder with that pathetic schedule.
Dave SYou should be demanding a refund from the Utes for your
pathetic television schedule. Except for your game at BYU, no ESPN games. No
on-demand replays. No iPhone apps. If I were a fan living outside Utah, I'd be
disgusted with Utah's total failure to provide decent television coverage.
Utah is going to have it heaped on them in sept. cant wait.
Shooter_McGavin said:"Williary - I'd hardly call 11 ESPN
televised games "obscurity". On the other hand, KJZZ and Versus just
might qualify for that term. Hey, at least you can get on ESPN
without BYU's help if you make it to the Vegas Bowl."Yep. ESPN
will be watching the bottom line. If people don't watch, they change things up.
So BYU better win or draw interest outside of the core fans, or watch the terms
of agreement change.
These comments are hilarious! You huys don't know anything about SC football.
Doesn't matter who the head coach we still have the most talent on the field.
The last 2 seasons SC still get's top 5 recruiting classes sanctions and all.
You can't sanction heart and look SC to hang 40 on you guys.
@Dave SOh, the bitter and jealous utesies bringing up the hastily
put together first season schedule and conveniently overlooking the TCU, Texas,
Ole Miss, Oregon St, UCF and Hawaii games. That's it? While the Utes
play the same ol 'sanctioned' best of the PAC 10.2 the storied programs from
across the country will be lining up to come to LES and welcoming the new
visiting independent team. ESPN leading the way to national relevance.@NightfoulUSIn 8yrs the whole football BCS thing could be a lot
different. BYU will continue to provide ESPN revenue by virtue of dedicated
viewership alone. Moot point.
Tv contract smack is the "Our stadium is bigger than yours" of the
Real Bass | 9:55 a.m. July 26, 2011 Idaho Falls, IDAbout what I
thought. And behind Oregon, Stanford and Washington...that's sixth and probably
the Las Vegas Bowl to lose to the mwc runner up of tcu and BSU. The winner
between those two gets another BCS bowl, which u can now only dream of in the
conference of champions.------------Time to correct you
sir (again).The Holiday Bowl will be the lowest Utah will fall (Pac
12 #4). A slim possibility exists for the Vegas Bowl.However... one
thing is irrefutable. No matter where Utah goes bowling this season it will be
better than the bowls lined up for BYU, even if we finish #6.If we
finish 6th in the Pac 12 and BYU finishes with a 12-1 record, they will get the
same bowl. Hunger.
NC FROGS 2010 | 1:17 p.m. July 26, 2011 Gilbert, AZJust for the
perspective of those Ute fans that hope this prediction will be wrong and the
Utes can still go to the Rose Bowl...the Pac 10.2 media poll has successfully
selected the league champion 10 of the last 11 years...just sayin'.-----------And experts are NEVER wrong, are they? So Utah should
just take the season off, huh? Why bother?Past is past and has
absolutely zero to do with what happens this year.Jus' sayin.....
I love the hypocrisy from the Ute fans who get all up in arms about people going
anywhere near their TV deal, and their rebuttal is it's the first year of the
deal and it will get better. But they are the first ones to bring up the first
year of BYU's indy schedule, and they won't accept the fact that BYU's schedule
will get better.
@ NC FROGS 2010"We're excited about the 2011 season. I'd like to
commend the media that covers this conference, because I think you're the
smartest ones out there. You picked us to win the league, and what I just
learned out back is that 10 out of the last 11 years you picked us to win the
league. So I guess our answer to that question is we hope you're right."
Oregon coach Chip KellyNice Try. But Oregon hasn't won the league 10
out of the last 11 years.(I posted a similar comment a second ago and then
realized it was directed towards the wrong person:P)
Utah fans have to love all the jealous byu trolls posting on this Utah Utes
article! Tom in CA: "A lot remains to be seen, but
I like the Cougar's chances on 17 Sept. I am positive whittingham is looking
ahead at that game as one of the most important of the 2011 season." You are "positive" that a non-conference game against a
mid-major is one of Utah's most important games of the 2011 season? Utah plays
two non-BCS teams, byu and Montana State. These two games represent the least
important games on the schedule. Sammyg:"Oh, the
bitter and jealous utesies bringing up the hastily put together first season
schedule and conveniently overlooking the TCU, Texas, Ole Miss, Oregon St, UCF
and Hawaii games." Your schedule has four BCS teams: Ole Miss
projected to finish last in SEC West, Texas projected to finish 5th in Big-12,
Oregon State projected 4th in Pac-10 North and Utah projected 3rd in Pac-12
South.Idaho State picked last in the Big Sky, Idaho, Utah State, San
Jose State and New Mexico State are projected as the worst four WAC teams.Big time ESPN schedule!Go Utes!!
Us USC fans welcome Utah into the Pac-12. But don't think for just one second
that it is going to be easy! I don't care about all these ignorant BYU &
Utah fans and there comments! USC will be ready for you guys! Looking forward
for a GREAT GAME. See ya September 10th.
@ sammyg | 9:58 p.m. July 26, 2011 Springville, UT and there
are more articles in the Deseret News and Provo Daily Herald about BYU than
about any other team in America so BYU is more relevant than any of them.
MidMajor4everBYU's schedule is big time enough to warrant 11
ESPN-televised games THIS YEAR, while Utah's PAC 12 debut at USC was shuffled
off to good ol' MWC standby, Versus. You can thank your big brothers down south
for throwing U an ESPN bone so U won't feel totally rejected.
@SwoopWhich is better- Getting blown out by a premier program on ESPN, or
beating a premier program on versus? Have you ever had one of those dreams where
you show up for school in nothing but your underwear and you're so embarrassed
because everyone can see? Yeah, have fun at Texas Memorial Stadium...on national
television where everyone will see that BYU is "Overrated!
I'm so confused. Every BYU fan on here brings up ESPN non-stop.Yet
when ESPN correctly points out that BYU finished 5th in the MWC in 2010, ESPN
suddonly has no credibility and doesn't know what they are doing!Lets be honest here. If BYU's ESPN contract was really about what they've
done on the football field in the BCS era, or about their "tough"
schedule, you would see BYU football on after the Dodgeball Championships on
ESPN8.What ESPN is counting on is those millions of MEMBERS, not
fans, turning over to ESPN, after catching the lastest Little House on the
Praire rerun on BYUTV, to vaguely pay attention to some sporting event they know
I'm rooting for the Utes to win all their games except to the Cougs! That to me
will be the most ideal scenario for my two favorite teams this year.
Jealous U "You should be demanding a refund from the Utes for
your pathetic television schedule. Except for your game at BYU, no ESPN games.
No on-demand replays. No iPhone apps. If I were a fan living outside Utah, I'd
be disgusted with Utah's total failure to provide decent television
coverage."Not to worry, there are only four Utah fans who live
outside of the state; one in southern California, one in Las Vegas, one in
Idaho, and some moron in Michigan who really is a fan of Notre Dame but a BYU
hater posing as a Ute fan. That is why there are no Utah games scheduled on
national TV. There is absolutely no interest beyond Waste Valley City. That will
not change even if Utah makes a run in the PAC 12 for the division or conference
williary"I'm so confused. Every BYU fan on here brings up ESPN
non-stop. Yet when ESPN correctly points out that BYU finished 5th in the MWC in
2010"ESPN didn't do any such thing. They meerly listed the
final standings for each conference, and win three teams tie for a certain place
in the standings, all three can't be listed in the third spot on the list.5-3 = 5-3 = 5-3Have your 2nd grade math teacher explain it
to you if it's still confusing.
@Swoop Which is better- Getting blown out by a premier program on ESPN, or
beating a premier program on versus?nice strawman, but... What's
BEST... is beating a premier program like #1-ranked, defending
national champion, Miami on ESPN; or beating premier programs like Oklahoma,
Texas and Notre Dame on national networks like ESPN and NBC... things BYU has
already done, and plans to do again.
CGWe've been through this with Willie before. He just doesn't grasp
the concept of greater/lesser/equal values. For example, 2011 final standings
(PAC-12).Utah - 5-3Oregon - 8-0USC - 7-1Stanford -
6-2ASU - 7-1See, Willie would think that Utah won the PAC-12
because they were at the top of the list. Actual win/loss totals are a little
too much for him. But don't give him too hard a time, he is a Utah fan after
It's unbelievable how many BYU fans there are posting on this article on the U.
Envy? Jealousy? Obsession? All of the above.
@Chris B"Many people pick Utah to win the division"Unfortunately when the "many people" you refer to are all ute fans
who live within a mile or two of Rice-Chex stadium, nobody cares. Otoh, experts
like Phil Steele who are credible pick Utah to finish 3rd in the South Division
(which means 6th overall in the Pac10.2) it reinforces the Pac10.2 media
preseason poll. Buck up, little brother, middle of the pack in the
Pac 10.2 isn't too bad, that should land you a berth in the Kraft Fight Hunger
Bowl. For the future, however, you might have to stop playing tough OOC
opponents like BYU so you can schedule more cupcakes to increase the chance that
you'll get to 6 wins each year. The only drawback to that is you will be giving
up your only chance to play on National TV each year. "BTW--I
do believe Whittingham will have Utah ready to play"Do you mean
like he had them ready for TCU, Notre Dame, BYU and Boise STate? Fortunately for
Utah they have Washington State, Montana Tech and Colorado on the schedule this
@WC1BYU fans post on Utah articles for the same reason that Utes
post on BYU articles, and why buckeyes post on Michigan articles. It's called a
rivalry, and it wouldn't be nearly as fun if we couldn't razz you for being
predicted to finish middle of the PAC in your new big boy conference.
@HegdehogHow "Little Brother" of you to make a play off a
Utah poster's name. Thanks for getting us on national TV though; I
say we repay you by visiting provo and giving the folks at les a chance to see a
BCS team up close once this year.
Utah is better than ASU, AU , UCLA and USC. I really think the U will be the #3
team in the entire Pac 12 this year with Oregon and Stanford the #1 and #2.
It's hilarious that westcoast1 will complain about BYU fans posting on a ute
article when he posted a dozen times on the last BYU article.Phil
Steele picked the utes to finish 3rd in the South Division as well. He is astute
and does his homework and typically is spot on with his preseason predictions.
However, 3rd in the south division translates to about 5th or 6th overall which
might not leave them bowl eligible for the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. When you look through his bowl game projections, he doesn't project the utes
going to a bowl game this year. He doesn't give a win-loss prediction but going
off of that it sounds like he's expecting them to go 5-7 or 6-6 at best.On the flipside, he projects BYU to win double digit games in 2011 and a
trip to Big D for the Armed Forces Bowl. It will be fun to see how things play
out this year. For ute fans, the longer the football season the better, it
delays when they have to start following their basketball team.
@Chris B"I actually expect a harder game with byu than anyone
on our conference schedule. To be honest that could be our one loss this
year."Sanity is a precious commodity...but it has to be real to
be acceptable. Sorry Chrissy... but I'm not biting on this golden little tidbit.
But I am laughing.
Hope the utes come within one game of a perfect season.
Can we stop the juvenile media coverage smack talk now? See the recent
development in media footprint for pac 12 games...a consortium of regional
affiliates (works like the model of ABC, NBC, CBS) that carry games to over 60
million cable subscribers (you subscribe to ESPN you get the pac 12 channel).
And the majority of the games are in prime time, roughly 5x what a weekday
afternoon game is. That's National coverage boys.With that settled,
let's have fun in the new league...Bigger games every week, bigger audiences,
bigger personalities talking about the Utes. Win or lose, it's going to be tons
I will be very happy if the Utes go 8-4 in this first Pac-12 season. Would be a
great year to build on.
I would be thrilled if the Utes go 6-6 in their first Pac 12 season and get to
go to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl against a 4th place MWC team like maybe
Wyoming or Colorado State. That would be a great first season to build on!
Today Larry Scott announced the new Pac 12 Network will begin next season. It
guarantees every conference football and basketball game will be nationally
televised by Fox, ESPN, or the Pac 12 Network. Every game, along with a lot of
games from the other Pac 12 sports.
I will be very happy if the Utes go 5-7 in this first Pac-12 season. It would be
a great year to build on.
I will be very happy if the Utes go 4-8 in this first Pac-12 season. It would be
a great year to build on.
I will be very happy if the Utes go 3-9 in this first Pac-12 season. It would be
a great year to build on.
@LogicInducedOn the Pac 12 Network eh?....is that going to be on the Home
Shopping Network or something?
Picked to finish 3rd? That's what they averaged in the mighty MWC. I guess they
should be happy with that.
The new deal for the Pac 12 includes the main Pac 12 Network which will be on
the ESPN national platform; if you get the ESPN networks, you'll also get the
Pac 12 Network. Also, they are creating 6 regional Pac 12 affiliates which will
be carried (one of the six) on all cable outlets in the Pac 12 footprint.
Everything will be included on "In Demand" and on any digital device;
smart phones, etc. in what Scott called "Pac 12 Everywhere"; just like
BYU is doing this year. This doesn't begin until next year, like their new deal
with Fox and ESPN.
...nothing in the announcement regarding distribution on Directv, which could be
bad news for me...
In my opinion, given the same level of on field/court success in the future, I
would prefer BYU's TV deals, not counting the difference in money. Their access
seems greater than even the Pac 12 TV deals. However, I like being in the BCS
conference a lot better than being independent. Being in the Pac 12 a team
could lose a few games and still get to a BCS bowl, and being independent a team
(other than Notre Dame) has to go undefeated to have a decent shot at a BCS
bowl. Both programs have a lot to be ecstatic about. None of us could have
dreamed of the positions both are in now.
Will the real hedgehog please stand-up.
GACougar, They were picked 3rd in their "Division" which
means 5th or 6th overall. That's about what most Cougar fans were picking for
them and also about where Phil Steele has put them.I think for ute
fans, a little reality is starting to hit them about this great move to
BigCougar,Phil Steele is a genius.
@worf"Will the real hedgehog please stand-up."Wahhh
wahhhh...BYU gets everything...wahhhhhh...They think they're better than
everyone. They stink. Wahhhhhh...wahhhhhhhh...wahhhhhhhhhhhh!There,
is that more like it?
Regarding T.V., enjoy 2011 byu, because the big-picture easily favors UTAH,
beginning in 2012....Larry Scott is a genius, hands-down.As far as
schedules go, it's unfathomable byu fans would try in vain to "argue"
their shedule is remotely comparable or better than UTAH's....Their home
schedule, alone, is "brutal"....I mean, after playing UTAH, they get a
UCF team which loses 10 starters from 2010 and their remaining 5 opponents had a
2010 cumulative record of 14-47.Then they play a Mississippi team on
the road which was horendous last year and a Texas team which went bowlless and
it still remains to be seen if they can get back to the Texas of old in one
year....Hawaii returns just 9 starters, 3 on O....We both play OSU, but your
only tough games are familiar nemsises: UTAH and TCU.
Bigcougar,***I think for ute fans, a little reality is starting to
hit them about this great move to dependence.***Utah fans do seem to
pick up on things quickly, don't they? BYU fans though? They think that they are
playing for a NC and will be a shoe in for a BCS game after going 6-6 in the
regular season last year. What do FIU, Troy, Louisville, Fresno St., Toledo,
Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, Temple, Tulsa, Navy, Army, Pittsburgh,
Syracuse, South Florida, West Virginia, Baylor, and Kansas St all have in
common? The all had a 6-6 or better record last year. But I doubt too many of
them expect to win a NC soon, not to mention just making the NC game.Back to the story... Yes, life will be a little tougher in the PAC12 than MWC.
But TCU and Boise St last year were much tougher games than anything Utah will
face this year, unless we go to the PAC12 CG, or a BCS bowl. USC will be the
most talented team that Utah will face. However, I think that Utah can beat any
team on the schedule this year. Go Utes!
@AZuteCorrection, our only "tough" game is TCU. Utah won't
be a tough game and will be in the realm of playing Oregon State. Utah has a mediocre DL that can't put pressure on the QB. Last year the only
way they could pressure the QB was to run corner blitzes. During the Utes
scintillating 1-3 finish their DL and DB's were exposed by better OL's of TCU,
ND, BYU and BSU. The front 7 plays the run well but is horrid in pass defense
(LB's can't cover in space). The utes also have a shaky,
inexperienced, marginally talented, unathletic secondary which when you combine
it with the inability of the DL to put any pressure on the QB sets them up for a
huge FAIL. They might be able to get past MWC caliber teams like Wyoming, New
Mexico, UNLV, etc with their defense but it got exposed badly by better teams
last year and has less depth and experience this year. They will get exposed
week in and week out by the better offenses they'll face on a weekly basis in
the Pac 10.2No, I wouldn't call them a touch matchup for BYU.
@classlessutefan"They think that they are playing for a NC"Well, you wouldn't understand, but I'll try and keep the explanation
simple. Once you've won one National Championship it just wets your appetite to
win more. Ask your girls gymnastics team about it and they can better explain it
to you.I haven't read any BYU fans predicting a NC this year or even
a spot in the NC game but the loftiness of a goal shouldn't stop you from
setting your sights high. it's much better than setting a goal of "maybe we
can win our division but there are a lot of good teams so I don't
know..."Translation? Kwhit has no confidence, faith or belief
in the success of his guys. But, I guess that's okay for the Utes, a team where,
historically, 2nd place is something to get excited about.Obviously
Kwhitt hasn't heard the quote, "Think little goals and expect little
achievements. Think big goals and win big success." The bottom line is that
the utes best season ever was only good enough for 2nd place. Now their sights
are set even lower.You can start whining now.