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  • SuperArcher Lehi, Utah
    July 20, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    Hatch conservative? Disagree.

    Matheson liberal? Disagree.

    Matheson is more in the middle, a centrist which is what our country needs right now. Hatch, on the other hand, is far tooliberal, more than Matheson.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2011 6:54 a.m.

    This letter is wrong on many counts:
    1. Chaffetz would not split the Republican vote in the general election, as his fight with Hatch would take place in the primary.
    2. Chaffetz's commitment in the House of Representatives is for two years only, as that is the maximum term for any representative.
    3. Matheson is not a liberal Democrat. Far from it. Ever heard of the blue dogs?
    4. Hatch would head the finance committee only if Republicans gain the majority in the Senate.
    5. Being head of the finance committee provides no benefit specific to Utah.

    Certainly Hatch should go. But replacing him with Chaffetz would not improve the Senate, the nation, nor Utah. It's unfortunate that the Republicans can't come up with any better alternatives.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 20, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    History shows that if Hatch was committee chairman, the Finance Committee would have a big spender as chairman. Chaffetz would surely continue the Republican tradition of talking about spending cuts, then voting for spending on GOP pet programs. In either case, I would like to think that Utah could do better than either of these lifetime politicians, but my expectations are not high on this point.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 20, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    Mr. Hatch is 76 years old. How many people who are 76 years old hold a position like Mr. Hatch? People retire at 65 for a reason. Their bodies wear out. Their ability to think clearly diminishes.

    I'm in the computer business. I have written massive programs, hundreds of thousands of lines long. When I was younger, I could keep all parts of those massive programs in my mind at the same time and quickly and efficiently write viable code. Now, I use two screens on my computer. If the code isn't on those screens, it doesn't exist as far as my mind is concerned.

    Not everyone ages the same way or at the same rate, but just listen to Mr. Hatch in a radio interview. Anyone can tell that he already struggles to answer questions coherently. It will only get worse.

    A Senator's term is six years. He will be 84 in 2018.

    Do we really think that he is so valuable that NOT ONE PERSON in Utah can handle the job of Senator other than Mr. Hatch?

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    July 20, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    All of these arguments seem to go against what Hatch was arguing when he ran against Frank Moss.

  • I Choose Freedom Atlanta, GA
    July 20, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    It is time for someone that truly believes in and votes in accordance with the Constitution. Hatch is not that man. It is time for him to go!!!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 20, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Hatch a liberal? Hardly.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    I'm a republican delegate and I'm not so sure Hatch should go.

    I voted against Bennett because he was on the banking committee when Wall Street was going crazy, he is a sophisticated business man who understands CDO's etc and he should have better headed those who warned him against the collapse. Basically he was fired for not doing his job.

    I don't have any such beef with Hatch, and I don't like Chaffetz. That guys is a snake oil salesman.

    I'll see who else runs and keep an open mind as to who to vote for, assuming I'm re-delegated,

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Hatch has taken so many natural supplements over the years that he could live to be 100! I am guessing however that they were provided to him (and then some) for free for his work keeping them from being regulated by the FDA.

  • Great Horned Owl Spanish Fork, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Andy,

    I'm also a State Delegate, and one of the silliest things of Hatch's whole re-election campaign this time is my having to wonder if you're one of the lucky paid social media brigade amongst rank and file GOP precinct leaders that Hatch's campaign has been semi-transparently paying $2500 a month to simply troll Facebook and online news sites and make positive remarks about his record.

    Probably not, and so consequently I'd invite you to take a look at the kind of votes and rhetoric Hatch has supported on his way to being a "leader" in various committees. I'm not a huge Chaffetz fan either (in fact I keep hoping the GOP candidate pool will open up a bit more with some better choices) but Chaffetz already has a better record on many key issues where Hatch parrots Bennet's worn-out lines:

    "Well I couldn't vote that way *yet*" (after more than 30 years of preparation) "because party leadership still wasn't in line with the higher ideals you are talking about" . . . blah blah blah -- that represents a *lack* of leadership capability. Maybe that *was* the way things working in his day, but we have better choices now.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Hatch should go.

  • Herbal Tea Partier Kearns, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    I agree with letter. Hatch is a national treasure who does his homework above and beyond what is expected. He will have the opportunity to head the budge committee which hasn't had a conservative leading it for a long time (obviously).

    Chaffetz is a good guy, but very young and a bit naive and brash. He didn't seem to have the good sense to know not to tell off-color jokes at a delegate dinner I attended. No one laughed. But he means well. He's a strong conservative and former football player.

    The House of Representatives is meant to change frequently to keep the voice of the people fresh. The House of Senate is meant to have experienced leaders in there. Admittedly, a lot of them should be voted out. But Hatch is not one of them.

    As for Matheson, he is a "blue dog democrat." And he has voted conservative for a number of things, but not all. It takes him a while to understand the issues. But if he stays right-centrist, he may continue to be a good voice for Utah.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 20, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    hatch is only conservative the last 18 months of each term.

    matheson, while not as liberal as some, would further BO's destructive agenda and keep clown prince harry as majority leader were he elected to the senate.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 20, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    What a pathetic figure is Sen. Hatch as he tries to pander to the T Party types who are now squealing about paying their debts. The original Tea Party was against paying illegal taxes. The current Tea party is the opposite -- they just don't want to pay their debts! My dad called people like that "deadbeats."

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 20, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Hatch should stay home, far away from Washington DC.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 20, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    I cannot imagine any set of circumstances that would cause me to vote for Orrin Hatch. He simply must go.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 20, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Mike Richards | 7:17 a.m. July 20, 2011
    South Jordan, Utah
    Mr. Hatch is 76 years old.

    ==============

    Nice rant.

    So then....why do you keep voting for him?

    Don't tell me, it's because of the (R) next to his name.

    Smeller 's the feller....

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 20, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    It's 4:00 p.m. so it must be shift-change at the Deseret News when the moderator lets LDS Liberal violate every rule that the rest of us have to abide by. Nothing changes except the date.

  • L White Springville, UT
    July 20, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Well, isn't that interesting? Mr. LDS Liberal would rather that we vote for someone whose party platform endorses the aborting of babies over someone like Mr. Hatch.

    If Mr. Hatch were to somehow win the Primary and actually appear on the ballot for the general election, you can be sure that I would never vote for a Democrat or for any other candidate whose PARTY tells us that it is perfectly acceptable to abort babies even if Mr. LDS Liberal demands that we accept the "law". When they have no respect for the unborn, their next target is the aged. Oh, wait, Mr. Obama has already thrown the aged and the Vets under the bus. He told us that he could not guarantee that he would send out Social Security checks or checks to the Vets.

    Just let him try to play a round of golf or try to fly around the country on Air Force ONE campaigning if he stops payments to our seniors and our Vets.

    That WILL cost him the election!

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    July 20, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    You know why god gave women the ability to give birth? Because he knew men couldn't handle it. Decribing a pro-choice candidate and being in favor of abortion is like saying a pro gun candidate is pro murder. After all what are guns for?

    Not infringing on a freedom is not the same as endorsing what one does with that freedom. I would think "conservatives" could understand that.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Why should I care if Hatch becomes the Finance Committee Chairman? Is he going to send Utah more money? As he sees it I am overpaid in my job and don't deserve benefits. Is going to require drug tests for Seniors for Social Security?

  • L White Springville, UT
    July 20, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    re: freedomingood,

    The "freedom to destroy a life" is "sacred" to you isn't it? Who else is given that freedom? Can a judge give an execution order, even if he personally saw a murder committed, even if he was 100% certain of the identity of the killer, before that "killer" had a trial? It is called "due process". Everyone gets "due process" except an unborn baby.

    The mother can go to the abortionist and tell him to abort her baby. That baby has no due process. That baby is not represented by a lawyer. Its life is sucked out of that mother, never mind the fact that if it had been left alone, it would have soon become a baby outside the womb.

    Mr. Hatch does not endorse killing unborn babies. Yes, he is getting old, but he has not lost his morals and he has not abandoned his principles. Life to him is precious.

    If it comes down to voting from an "old geezer" and voting for someone whose party believes in abortion, I will campaign for Mr. Hatch and I will vote for Mr. Hatch!

    I do not accept abortion on demand and I never will.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    July 20, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Chaffetz vs Hatch. That ought to be enough reason to vote for the democratic candidate regardless of who wins the republican primary.

    Hatch has been there too long.

    Chaffetz is a phony conservative. Example: he opposes saving the more than 3 billion that would be saved by eliminating Saturday mail delivery since some of his big campaign contributors find Saturday delivery a nice convenience. Never mind what would be good for the country-- just what helps Chaffetz election, for whatever office.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 21, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Sen. Byrd comes to mind, standing and shaking (literally) his constitution booklet while he tried to speak. I felt sorry for W. Virginia every time he spoke. As Hatch said some 30+ years ago, its time for new blood.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    ' Is going to require drug tests for Seniors for Social Security?' - ugottabkidn | 6:56 p.m. July 20, 2011

    Supported:

    *'Hatch proposes drug testing for welfare, unemployment recipients' - KSL News - 06/16/10

    "We should not be giving cash to people who basically are going to go and blow it on drugs and not take care of their own children." - Sen. Orrin Hatch

    ugottabkidn, best post on this story by far.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    July 21, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    That Mike Richards and Esquire agree on anything is significant. That they agree on the overlength incumbency of Orrin Hatch indicates an understanding that Hatch nis not the conservative people in Utah think he is.

    Glade is wrong on many fronts, but one of them is that Senators are not seated of life as Supreme Court justices. They are elected every six years to allow differing positions to be vetted and sustained.

    Hatch is not a conservative Republican. He might once have been, but he has morphed considerably over the last 24 years. Just because he is LDS, does not make him a conservative, and the potential for such as a sitting chair of the finace committee is absurd.

    Hatch promised, those disagreeing notwithstanding, not to serve longer than the 18 years for which he chastised Frank Moss. Once he got his "fix" he quickly reversed himself.

    He is no longer the "lion of the senate" he was once thought to be.

    I received a formal invitation from within my "ward" to a meeting to reelect Hatch. I will not be attending.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    July 21, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    BTW, Loa Don Glade, Hatch should honor his committment to the voters of 1976, and step down already.

    To correct a potentially misunderstood statement in my earlier posting. Glade did not suggest that senators should be seated for life. It is inferred from the comments. I would remind Glade that senators are reviewed every six years for a reason, to allow their record to be examined and for them to be replaced if their constituaency feels it necessary.

    Many of us feel that it is necessary.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 21, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Absolutely right.

    Hatch should stay.

    At home.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    July 21, 2011 10:58 a.m.

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    @LDS Liberal: if not Hatch because he has an R behind his name, then who should we all vote for?

    Who is your candidate for Senate that we should all get behind? Dare you even put forth something of an argument for something or are you just in to tearing down those you hate?

    Also, it's interesting to note that you, MormonDem and all the other Liberal Mormons are nowhere to be found on the article regarding Mormons being called a cult.

    Are you not able to step up and defend the religion you claim membership in? Or does your silence really tell us what we already know?

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    July 21, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    Loa said in the letter, "Or if Matheson decides to run, Chaffetz then splits the Republican vote assuring another liberal Democrat in the Senate." She apparently doesn't under stand the nominating system. If Chaffetz decides to run the Republicans will select one of them at the party convention or in a primary.

    If Matheson decides to run for senate (or governor), it would be because he may not believe that he could be re-elected after the re-districting is done. Mathenson's chances of beating either Hatch or Chaffetz would be very close to zero. His only chance would be a "Bill Orton" which means that both Hatch and Chaffetz got so dirty that republican said a pox on both of you and voted for Matheson.

    Bill Orton a democrat, was elected as representative to the very republican 3rd District back in the 80s after both republicans by their campaigns turned off even the republicans. Orton served well, until he was hung out to try by the Clinton Administration over the designation of the Grand Staircase National Monument. This was the only reason Chris Cannon was ever elected.