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Brad Rock: BYU and title talk: nothing wrong with aiming high

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  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 16, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    BYU aims for national championships, and 1984 is an excellent example of why you set high goals.

    Good for Bronco and good for BYU!

    Go Cougars!

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    Why not have a Quest for Perfection? Perhaps a whole line of apparel can be produced and sold.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 16, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    I can see why someone would set a goal that high. I can also see why someone would think it is stupid to set a goal that high. All in all, I think Bronco is right on this one. Something spectacular is usually acheived through goals. Jimmer's goal wasn't to play on his high school basketball team, or even on a college team. It was to play in the NBA. Apparently it wasn't too high.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    The goal every year should be to go undefeated against those on your schedule. The team appears much stronger than last years and the opponents, at least the Texas schools, have chinks in their armor. The key to going undefeated is to win in Texas. If the team does this, the rest is doable. Following 2 years, Cougs should be a lot stronger. I predict a BCS game in at least 1 of the next three years.

  • om Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    And every little boy or girl wants to be president of the United States someday.

    Hyperbole is the BEST THING EVER, Bronco. "Best team lost" the rivalry game? Only if you're drinking that blue kool-aid can you say such a thing with a straight face.

    My money says that BYU will be the "best team"...the best team ever to never win a national championship, or even come within a whiff of it. Recent history does not shine favorably on the team from Provo. And future scheduling doesn't shine favorably either.

  • ShaunMcC La Verkin, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:37 a.m.

    It's better to aim for the stars and only make it to a couple of planets than it is to aim for low earth orbit and achieve the goal but never do anything exciting or memorable. If we were intent on mediocrity, we could have re-joined the WAC and been practically guaranteed a lower tier bowl game that would actually cost more than we made. How much better to stretch - to challenge ourselves against some of the best. We might lose some but then again, we might win some. Once in a great while, we might even have a magical year like 1984 when the chips fall our way and we accomplish the "impossible dream". Go Cougars.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:05 a.m.

    Why not have a quest for intelligence. Perhaps a whole group of commenters could be taught. They might develop some.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 17, 2011 1:20 a.m.

    It's better to aim for the sky and miss, than to aim for a mud puddle and hit.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    July 17, 2011 1:45 a.m.

    Good for BYU and good for Bronco. I for one am glad to hear about goals set high. It is too bad that some critics thing playing for the NC is too far away. Well, they and their team should aim to simply participate for the green ribbons.

    Go Cougars.

  • Scott1 Quiet Neighborhood, UT
    July 17, 2011 2:07 a.m.

    Although rather improbably, I do like hearing coaches and players occasionally talk about wanting to win a national championship. I appreciated his success, but grew tired or hearing LaVell sound as if he didn't care much about winning his nonconference games. Why even play those games then?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 17, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    Let's see, what has changed?

    In the past, if we lost a game or two, we still ended up in the same bowl. Now we can lose up to six and end up in the same bowl.

    In the past, even if we only lost one game, we wouldn't end up in a BCS bowl.
    In the past, if we had gone undefeated, and at the end of the season we were ranked number one, no matter why, and we beat our opponent in our bowl game, no matter who, we would be national champions.

    That seems about the same too.

    If Bronco keeps it a secret, and doesn't say it out loud, would any of his critics decide to like him better, change their allegances, actually start to be civil?

    No, that seems about the same too.

    So why change now?

  • RationalPlease Spanish Fork, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    Right-on Rockmister. Go for it Bronco and Jake. And thanks for being honest. Many of your detractors say it is ok to have the goal, but keep it within the team; don't make it public, ie lie to the public.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 6:32 a.m.

    No, nothing wrong with high goals--except announcing them to everybody. You'd think Bronco and SDS would have learned that lesson in '08, when TCU and Utah cheerfully ended "The Quest".

    Einstein was right: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

  • Coyoteghost Saint George, UT
    July 17, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    There are alredy indications that the new BYU setup will attract some better players (non-LDS) than they would have signed before. Won't take long to reach the tipping-point, if this continues.

  • ChiefSportsFan Denver, CO
    July 17, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    It is a proven fact, over and over and over; in finance, in sports, in life - that it is far better to aim for the stars and hit the mountain top than to aim for mediocrity and fail to achieve even that.

    Write it down, mark it up, shout it from the press-box and the practice field, but keeep it in front of you.

    Work hard, sacrifice, fight through the pain and exhaustion, but keep it front of you.

    There is NOTHING wrong with aspiring to play for the National Championship every year, whatever your affiliation. And those who chide others for having such aspirations simply do not understand the laws of success and should not be listened to.

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies! . . . and don't listen to the naysayers; you know you can.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    @Rock

    Doubters and Cynics only "Report" on Sports.

    Winners, on the other hand, have actually played the game.

    It's amazing how guys who have never so much as earned a High School Letter, are so Negative, while Champions (Heaps) dare to dream big, because they have been there and done that, while the Uncle Rico's of the World, only wish they could have.

    Before any goal is realized, it must be envisioned first. To say that a BYU, down the road, after having busted the BCS once or twice (as Bronco clearly stated) could not compete for a NC, is nonsense. They said the same thing in 1983 and 1984.

    Rock wrote that Bronco said (the best team lost the BYU-Utah game last fall).

    That is not what he said!

    Brad, you stated this on the radio the other day, it was not true then and it is not true now.

    When will reporters stop paraphrasing and just give the quotes?

    Bronco said;

    "I'm Not Convinced the Best Team won"

    Hardly an emphatic statement as you have portrayed it to be.

    So convince him Brad.
    He's open to persuasion.
    Stop spinning others words and just give the quotes.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    July 17, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    The real goal is to play well enough to get into a BCS conference.

  • Mr. Obvious Sandy, Utah
    July 17, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    RE; "Wow. Looks like Bronco has bolted the stable.
    Welcome to the new and unapologetic Cougars, still polite and respectful, but darned if they don't have a touch of Jim McMahon in them."

    Wow. Thats what I want to see as an ambassador of the church. I guess this years cliché will be every player wearing sunglasses and a white head band.
    The horse bolts the stable when its spooked!
    Oh, pass the weak sauce, need to spice up the WAC schedule.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    July 17, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    What other choice do they have? Other than win every game.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Hey, Rock, you play one game at a time, especially when assessing one team against the other in direct competition.

    Bronco's statement that the better team lost last game is absolutely right.

    So, how about accepting the fact and quit stirring the pot to get a lame reaction from readers like me.

    The Cougars ended up a better team than the Utes last year, and now they'll leave the boys on the hill in the dust despite Utah's lofty(?) status in the PAC-12.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    I don't have a problem with setting a lofty goal. I wish my Utes would do it instead of settling for being in the middle of the pack. We spout off about all our accomplishments after we have achieved them but I've never heard coach Witt talk about National Championships at the beginning of the season. Maybe even he doesn't believe in the teams ability to reach a goal that high.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    July 17, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    No problem having "HIGH EXPECTATIONS" but I just don't see BYU ever winning a National Championship with their WAC opponents on their schedule.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 17, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    I have no problem with the goal of winning a National Championship. And if it's a goal, then you have to start to develop confidence that you can achieve that goal. The same goes for other aspects of our lives. Individuals and organizations who set high goals and work to achieve them, often reach them.

    Will it be difficult to achieve? Absolutey.

    But BYU is beginning to develop the talent and the depth to make a National Championship a possibility. We've always had talented players, but I don't remember ever having this many talented players where we have depth at every position.

    Will it take a few lucky breaks? Absolutely.

    Even if BYU is undefeated in the regular season, and there are two undefeated teams from AQ conferences, BYU will be playing in a BCS bowl but not for the NC.

    But if there are only one or two teams with an unblemished record, and BYU is one of them - they may have a shot at it.

    Personally, I think BYU will be stronger in 2012 and 2013 than they are this year. This is still a young team, working to reach their potential. The future is bright. Go Cougs!

  • 483bzac West Valley City, UT
    July 17, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    High risk, high reward, anyone up for Notre Dame?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Gee, think I have written about this before.

    ute fans love to make fun of the Quest shirts, The ankle bite BYU fans for believing, hoping and wishing. They say that BYU fans are the only one's who say they want a national championship every year.

    The

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    Seems like all the cougar faithful are in lock step again. Haven't they chanted this every year since 84' from February to August only to be brought back to reality in September to December?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Gee, think I have written about this before.

    ute fans love to make fun of the Quest shirts, The ankle bite BYU fans for believing, hoping and wishing. They say that BYU fans are the only one's who say they want a national championship every year.

    The real question should be why don't you utes do the same?

    Look, I don't care if we never win another NC under the BCS system. All I care about is shooting for it, playing our guts out, and doing the best we can. The system is corrupt to say the least. Until there is a true playoff, there is no real national champion. The NC is a gift bestowed, not earned.

    So ankle biters, why doesn't your team have quest shirts?

    Why are they not men about their goals?

    if utah would have had the guts to print the quest shirts before their undefeated season, I would give props to their manhood.

    Goals are goals. So before you go out disparaging BYU for having them, ask yourself, why your team doesn't have the same goals?

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    No matter how ridiculous the odds, every individual that steps up to the craps table or purchases a lottery ticket believes they can win the big one. Besides, given Bronco's insurmountable situation, what else would anyone expect the man to say? I have no problem with Bronco's remarks and find them moderately amusing. Go Utes - Beat the Buffs!!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 17, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    Who ever accomplished anything great by being tenative, frightened of taking a risk or playing it "safe"? Only eagles rule the sky, chickens scratch about, safe on the ground where they belong never daring to be great! BYU dares to be greater!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    There is nothing wrong with aiming high! It gets the fans thinking crazy thoughts. Also puts a bigger target for which teams use it as motivation to humble the bronco disciples.

    There is simply not enough talent in Provo to make it happen.

    Don't stop dreaming. Need something to keep the fans chomping at the bit.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 17, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Kinda sad really.

    Even Army can look for the season ending game against Navy for motivation and ND can rally around the USC game late in the year.

    ByU needs Utah more than ever.

    Having said that, I'd like nothing more than Utah to drop bYu ( atleast annually) for more interesting programs.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 17, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    @om

    "My money says that BYU will be the "best team"...the best team ever to never win a national championship, or even come within a whiff of it."

    1984.

    Utah has never had a whiff of a national title.

  • Twitterpated Cougar Taylorsville, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Go Cougars....

    Take State...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Hey Bronco...

    If your team can't execute a simple field goal blocking scheme, you're not the the best team on the field.

  • Floyd Taylorsville, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    I love that the Cougars announce their goal of a national championship... It ensures disappointed Cougars every single year.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    You have to aim high to get high and that's how you win.

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    July 17, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    phoenix
    ...It's better to aim for the sky and miss, than to aim for a mud puddle and hit...

    well, Bronco always aims for the sky...but then hit the mud puddle

    ... the best team lost the BYU-Utah game last fall ...

    sounds like very sore loser to me.

    I'm going to quotes someone here....

    "...
    1) Good team usually finds a way to win game even though they did not play well the whole game
    2) Well coached team practiced, practiced and practiced hard for the block-FG situation (and other special plays)
    3) Good coach makes good play calls --ie the blocked FG

    On the other hand...

    1) Bad team sometimes finds a way to lose a game even they play "well" almost the whole game
    2) Not-so-good coach doesn't make good calls

    In summary, the better team won the rivalry game even though its QB was playing hurt.
    ..."

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    July 17, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Of course winning every game should be the goal that the Cougars aim to achieve. Winning every game is Utah's goal as well. I have absolutely zero problem with that statement. Neither do I have any problem with Bronco so unabashedly stating that the better team lost the rivalry game lat year. He just gave my Utes even more reason to get fired up, not that they needed it. But ask Nick Saban what happens when you question the legitimacy of Kyle Whittingham's team. As always I expect a close game in Pornvo on September 17th, 2011, but this will give the Utes a decided edge.

    Utah 24

    BYU 21

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Same story every year. Last year the y was also going to go undefeated . . . and the year before that . . . and the year before that . . .

    Pass the kool-aid boys, schedule Heap's Heisman photo shoot and set aside a time in January for the NC parade. Just don't make any non-refundable deposits for NC plans as you can wrap up this years daydreaming after the September trip to Austin.

    Hook-em!!!!

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    July 17, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    @mtseatss
    ...I have no problem with Bronco's remarks and find them moderately amusing...

    For as long as I've followed Utah football, I don't any time that Kyle would comment that "the best team lost the game" after a Utah loss--perhaps, my memory does not serve me right anymore.

    (don't mean to be picky...but shouldn't he say "the better team". Why use the word best? )

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Every team has a National Championship goal before the season. But most teams have secondary goals as well. What are BYU's secondary goals?

    If they lose to Ole Miss out of the gate, is their season over? (of course Ute fans will say so) The advantage of a conference team is you get a second season. You can sluff off losses non-conference opponents because they "don't count" towards the goal of winning their division, winning the conference title, qualifying for a BCS game.

    As an independent, it will be a challenge for the Cougar staff to evolve goals throughout the season. What do you tell the team after you lose a game, and then another? There is always the assumed goal of "play well on national TV and present a positive image for the LDS Church", but how do you get a football player to be excited about that?

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers Irvine, CA
    July 17, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    ...Beyond 2011, BYU's schedule includes games against Georgia Tech, Texas, Notre Dame, Boise State, Utah and Oregon State. If the Cougars scale back to two or three big-conference opponents a year, and a bunch of WAC teams, I don't see them getting in the BCS championship game, either even with ESPN's constant promotion....

    Maybe it's another reason that they chose Indy--in addition to exposure opportunity to promote the religion and the school.
    They always blame BCS for not letting them in a BCS game--let alone a NC.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    July 17, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    I believe the cougars can do it.

    I believe.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 17, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Talking is quite easy--it does not take much effort to talk, does it?
    Dreaming is even easier--dreaming the impossible dream is also easy.

    What about the concept of putting these team goals into practice, game plans and win on the field?

    The goal of every team should be..."be the best it can be/play the best if can play every game"

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    hedgehog

    "Kinda sad really."

    Kyle avoids announcing his goals publicly. Hardly any talk of even winning a conference championship.

    Result: One great BCS busting season, and little else.

    Bronco has openly declared his high expectations since day one as head coach.

    Result: Three very good seasons, but no great seasons, yet.

    Bronco: 4 AP Top 25 finishes, 3 Top 15 Finishes, 2 MWC champioships.
    Kyle: 2 AP Top 25 Finishes, 1 Top 15 Finish, 1 MWC championship.

    There's nothing sad about setting and declaring high goals.

    There is something sad about a program that pretends they're one of the big boys, but is too chicken to declare their goals.

    The biggest difference between BYU and Utah, is BYU has been able to maintain a consistently high level of performance for the last four decades -- 17 Top 25 Finishes in the last 34 years.

    Utah has occassional breakthrough years, 1964, 1994, 2004, and 2008, but otherwise, mediocrity. Utah has five AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history, only once have the Utes managed to finish in the AP Top 25 in back to back years.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Those who criticise, find fault with or belittle BYU for having the goal to win the NC are morons. It is just common sense to set high goals and then work to accomplish them. Any team , especially a team in a BCS conf or a team with a hx of winning should have it as a goal to win every game and possibly play for a NC.
    Those who criticise BYU for their slogan, quest for perfection are just hate mongers. Everyone should have it as their goal. We may fall short (I know I do) but it is still the goal.
    I like Heaps attitude and BYU does have the quality of players to win every game and play for a NC.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    If Bronco and the Cougars want to have the remote chance of attaining such a goal, they wont be able to do it as an independent. Granted theyre better off for a few seasons than they would be in the disgusting MWC, but the bottom line is BYU needs to be in a BCS-AQ league to do it. 1984 was an accident in sports history that contributed to creating the BCS in the subsequent years. BYU has been 2 decades overdue to join such a league, but the Utes inability to compete during the 1970s and 1980s held BYU back and eventually out for the time being as the league shuffles go.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    re: Moderate | 10:01 a.m. July 17, 2011

    "As an independent, it will be a challenge for the Cougar staff to evolve goals throughout the season."

    Big picture & Reality check time: How exactly have independets fared in the BCS era?

    **What do you tell the team after you lose a game, and then another? There is always the assumed goal of "play well on national TV and present a positive image for the LDS Church", but how do you get a football player to be excited about that?**

    Have a little talk w/ the Bishop or Stake Pres?

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Blame it on the officials is not a Ute fan.

    Nobody cares if bronco says crazy things. It keeps the fans crazy as well. Everyone should aim high. It does however make your team a bigger target. Whether it is a t shirt, poster, commercial, whatever, other teams are always looking for a reason to beat you down. You would think bronco would have learned. After the first loss, all fans that dislike the BYU nation will remind them of the silly things that bronco keeps saying. In fact t shirts will be printed as a reminder.

    If you talk the talk.....

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Oh wow. While I agree that BYU's goal should be to win a national championship (what other goals can you have as an independent?), it is a FAR stretch to say that they will do it as an independent. They have to walk a fine line of playing a hard schedule to be respectable, but going undefeated to be considered worthy (see: Boise St in 2010). I agree with the author that BYU just can not go undefeated against the schedule they do have, or will have in the coming years.

    Either they schedule too light to get to undefeated and they don't get respect for their strength of schedule, or they schedule hard opponents and sacrifice the undefeated season.

    While I agree with the goal, it sets fans expectations at a bad level...especially if they lose to Ole Miss, Texas, or Utah.

  • JP Skillet SLC, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    well byu certainly has beat utah every year when it comes to big talk. that's all they can claim as champions. every offseason they are #1, but the season shuts them down EVERY TIME it's comical

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    It really is true, BYU isn't a BCS team, but they are a national championship team. They won in 1984, and they will again some day in the near future, and they realize to do that they have to have their eyes on the main prize. The National Championship. Nobody remebers 2nd, or third place winners if they win their BCS game, they only remember the champion. Tell me who won the Orange bowl in 2007, tell me who won the Fiesta bowl in 2004, tell me who won the Sugar bowl in 2009... nobody remebers runner ups, only the champion matters.

    Go GOUAGRS!

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    July 17, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    "The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. Let us move forward with strong and active faith."
    ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

    ‎"The greatest danger for most of us is not that we aim too high and we miss it, but we aim too low and reach it."
    Michelangelo

    ‎"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    July 17, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    This is what you do when you know you are not relevant. This change to independence was not smart, and this is the only way to cover the mistake up is to convince everyone how great a move this is, its all a publicity stunt. The truth, they are not even the best independent program, not the best program in the state of Utah, and certainly will never go undefeated. It's sad, all this hoopla, it's not reality.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Short-sighted naysayers who claim that BYU can't win a National Championship because BYU will never qualify for the BCS championship game as a non-AQ team, are forgetting one key fact:

    BYU doesn't have to play in the BCS championship game to win an AP National Championship.

    There are no secret computer formulas or BCS-biased hoops to jump through to win the AP National Championship.

    The only requirement is finishing #1 in the final AP poll.

    BYU already did that in 1984 under the exact same AP rules that exist today.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    From 6-6 and the New Mexico Bowl to the BCS Title game and national championships! This would be laughable if it weren't so strange.

    Hey Bronco, good luck with the "quest" redux.

    BTW, thanks for giving K-Whit plenty to hype his boys up with for the September edition of the Holy War. You know what you said....

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    BYU's goal: Win a National Championship!

    Utah's goal: hope USC and Oregon are both ineligible; hope to finish ahead of a bunch of weak opponents to win the PAC 12 south; hope to sneak past the only remaining decent team in the PAC 12, Stanford, to win the PAC 12 championship; hope to get to the Rose Bowl with a pedestrian 8-4 record where we will have no hope of even sniffing a national championship (but, keep our goal secret to avoid looking foolish when we get crushed by USC in our PAC 12 debut)

    Then mock BYU for having the audacity to set "unrealistic" goals if BYU doesn't reach the pinnacle of college football this season, even though we're too chicken to set such high goals for ourselves.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    @ Cougar_Independence | 10:41 p.m. July 16, 2011

    "1984 is an excellent example of why you set high goals"

    "Go ahead, jump" - David Lee Roth

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    I can't believe this is a big deal. Every teams goals should be to go undefeated from USC to Montana St. This crap that Witt would never say this publicly, but will say it in team meetings to stupid. I don't think team philosophy will determine wins. That will be the players. Sept 17 = BYU 34-UTAH 17

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    Why wouldn't K-Whitt declare the Utes were on course to win the national championship in the next season or two?

    Well, basically because he's not an idiot. That's why. It's moments like this Ute fans have to feel lucky to have Whitt on the Hill -- let me tell ya.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    I have a goal to become a $Billionaire. My neighbors all know about it. I show people I meet the photos of the private jets I'll buy and the private islands I'll acquire. I get up every day and work until sundown. Some people think I'm a fool, but I just know they'll all be wrong.

    Seriously, BYU nation does this every year. It's gotten to be as comical as it is predictable. They're one of the most ferocious programs in all the land...offseason. Come October, not so much.

    2008 is the textbook example of this phenomenon. "Quest for Perfection" was everywhere, then all the apparel went back in the closet before November, while the team 40 miles north quietly made it happen. (We just didn't feel the need to turn the internal team goal into a line of apparel and put a bullseye on our chest.)

    Undeterred (but without the slogan), the very next year in 2009 the Cougs were sure it was their year. Even radio commercials talked about the "BCS Bustin' Cougs", after TWO weeks of the season.

    Well, it is amusing, if nothing else.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    bigutefan

    "This is what you do when you know you are not relevant."

    You mock rivals who are.

    BYU: 10 games on ESPN this season
    Utah: 1 game on ESPN (courtesy of BYU)

  • the zamboni Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    I'm not sure who you people think is aiming for the mud hole.

    Quite simply stated, BYU talks a great game every year. Utah takes their schedule one game at a time and gets the job done.

    So which is of greater value? Lofty goals or spectacular achievements? I'll buy into your aspirations once you've accomplished something outside of 1984's fluke.

  • T-Mac Meridian, ID
    July 17, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Bronco provided Utah with great bulletin board material.

    Coach M does have a tendency to say and do things in the summer that set-up the team and fan base up for disappointment as soon as the Cougars lose their first game of the season.

  • SoCalUtahFanToo Irvine, CA
    July 17, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Cougars - Wise Older Brothers
    ...BYU doesn't have to play in the BCS championship game to win an AP National Championship...

    That may be true in the 1984. But not in today's world.
    AP voters have an unoffical "agreement" with BCS that they will vote for one of the 2 NC game participants as champion--2008 Utah Utes is an example, only a few voters voted for Utah to make a statement; these voters were threatened with being taken off the list of voters.

    This is why I've repeatedly said 2008 Utah, 2010 TCU would win NC in 1980s. And that 1984 BYU would not win NC in 1990s and today's world.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Lonestarrunner:

    The cardinal sin in marketing is to overexpose a bad product. If BYU doesn't beat at least most of the big names on their schedule this year the question asked throughout America will be "how did these guys get on TV so much? What was ESPN thinking?". (Over exposing even a good product is frequently a bad thing. Anyone else get tired of seeing Boise last year? They were on only 6 times)

    By the time BYU is playing New Mexico State on ESPN, executives at all the other cable networks will be giggling and thinking of presents to send to ESPN for the extra viewership.

    Just as 1984 was the catalyst for the creation of the BCS, the ESPN BYU-a-thon may become the most convincing argument FOR the BCS in 2011, particularly if they get handled by a few of those big name teams and then clobber the weak teams on their schedule in dull games. It will be the primary topic of discussion.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    10cc

    "The cardinal sin in marketing is to overexpose a bad product."

    That's a glass half-empty argument...

    The cardinal sin in marketing is to underexpose a good product.

    Nobody cares if a bad Notre Dame is on television weekly, they simply ignore them during those seasons. But when Notre Dame has a great season, everyone wants to able to watch their games.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 17, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Being a triple war combat veteran I don't know any general or any soldier for that matter who doesn't go into battle with an advocating desire to win. And for certain the outcome of who wins and who loses is determined by such resolve. If you believe that it takes attituded resolve to set and accomplish a predetermined objective...then the war is half won. It may take a while and battles will be lost but those who refuse to and never abandon thier resolve will win the ultimate goal. Any athletic team who does not set those goals high will never reach that level.

    If your goal is to only reach the BCS or return as an also ran... then that is as far as you will ever achieve...If that is enough to satisfy you then that will be the limitations of your growth and development as a team. Let's be honest people... before we criticize a program's stated goals let's at least be realistic. There is no athletic team out there in the real world who does not have a quest for perfection...especially as connecting as both Utah and BYU.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    BYU's product has been so underexposed during the 21st century that a few years of overexposure will be welcomed by the Cougar faithful. If the Cougars are unbeaten when they play the last few games they'll be plenty of eyeballs looking at the Cougars. Regardless I'll be having my Cougar watching party every game in 2011 on my big screen tv. Quite an improvement over last decade which could be considered by some as the lost decade on the MTN.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFanToo

    "AP voters have an unoffical "agreement" with BCS that they will vote for one of the 2 NC game participants"

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    USC was voted AP National Champion in 2003 without playing in the BCS championship game.

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    July 17, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    @ Portland Trail Gangsta:
    I must admit that I do not know who won the e 2004 Fiesta Bowl nor the 2007 Orange Bowl. I do however know that:

    The University of Utah WON the 2005 Fiesta Bowl and . . .
    The University of Utah WON the 2009 Sugar Bowl. Undefeated 2008 regular season capped off by a January 2nd Sugar Bowl beat-down of the Hounds-tooth Hat Crimson Tide in the Big Easy. Man that was great. You should have been there.

    Pretty good if you ask me

  • roquetman provo, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    anybody remember the Quest? And as someone who is LDS but does not cheere for BYU these are reasons why, LDS doctrine says not to follow vain and prideful desires, they say not to be prideful and stiffnecked, and boy ever since this whole independence thing have they somehow become more arrogant, not to mention serving mammon over God, I'm personally getting sick of hearing about the money. So good luck in another vain ambition, and the better team winning last year? If I do recall BYU only beat Wyo and SDSU because of the bad reffing, and if anyone remembers the SDSU game they had someone cheating for them. Why did I type this Des News will probably deny it like always while keeping all the pro BYU comments that break all their rules....

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    True Blue:

    Nice spin, but a but selective, don't you think? How about:

    Top 5 finishes - Kyle 1, Bronco 0

    Kyle and the Utes put themselves in the NC conversation that year by their play on the field, not by talking endlessly about it beforehand. He knows you simply don't talk about your competitive goals in public and in the face of your competitors.

    At least 6 locker rooms will have his comments on the bulletin board this fall and Bronco will be reduced, again and again, to saying that his team was better and should have won.

    Endlessly entertaining.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    "I'm not convinced the best team won" - Bronco Mendenhall
    Look at the score board.

  • Mad Brad PROVO, UT
    July 17, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    That's the last time I'm reading one of his articles.

    Go Cougs!

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    I love it, Quest for Perfection II. Get those old tee shirts out of the garage rag box.
    The bad news: not everyone shoots for the NC this year. These things are multiyear achievement things. Only 20 25 teams have this shot in part due to achievement in the near past especially last year. Add to that quality wins over a top 10 team or two. How in the world does one of the BCS teams on their schedule loose to BYU and go on to play well enough to get into the top 10?
    Oh and congratulations, BYU had a close game with Utah while the Ute QB was injured. Wonder what happens if he is not hurt? Motto: Have never lost, but did beat ourselves a few times.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    What's the deal with Brad Rock? He's looking foolish.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Love the way you dismiss the 1984 title team. Remember that Michigan, team was much better than the one the 2004 Utes played. It had extensive injuries in 1984 that led to the disappointing record. But, those players were well and playing when they came to the bowl game. And, they played with one objective injure the qb, which they did, but still lost the game. If every team going into the season does not have a chance to the champion by its play on the field, then what does that say about the championship? And, the idea that playing a bowl which is not for the national championship is anything but just a vacation and pay day is proven wrong by Utah beating Alabama in 2008. The Crimson Tide had played their game at the end of the season for all the marbles lost and didn't show up until the fourth quarter of the meaningless Sugar Bowl game. It meant something to the wanna bee, but nothing to the "we are the club boys."

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    The big question for the Ute's, are they a bunch of quitters like last year. I think you remember the BSU game. All fight before the game no fight during the game. So, will the Ute's quit after losing to USC and BYU early? I think they will along with their bandwagon fans. This isn't a big deal, because Utah only has fans in little SLC. BYU=WORLDWIDE=ESPN.

    BYU 9-3
    UTAH 5-7
    SAVE IT AND POST IN JAN

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    zamboni,
    "Quite simply stated, BYU talks a great game every year. Utah takes their schedule one game at a time and gets the job done."

    You mean like last year? No one was taliking as much as Utah and their fans last year before the melt down. Classic example of not taking it one game at a time. Before you criticize someone's ambitions, take a good look in the mirror.

    And for the myopic Utah fans who want to try to drag Bronco through the mud, just remember it was your coach who showed the ultimate arrogance and classless act when he went for an onside kick in the 4th quarter while up by 40+ points.

    What goes around comes around. I remember when Utah's only goal of the year was to beat BYU.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 17, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    "Nobody remembers 2nd, or third place winners, they only remember the champions."

    Portland,

    If this is true I assume you've thrown out your "man crush" jimmer season as meaningless? After all he's a loser ( in your opinion) who's team didn't win it all.

    Got it.

  • pabellon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Reading Ute comments on BYU articles makes me think they are not as secure with their future as they claim to be.

    Go Cougs!

  • Dunedain PROVO, UT
    July 17, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    It's funny that everyone wants to rip the cougars for declaring that their goal is a national championship and thinks that they can't achieve it.

    TCU and their coach Gary Patterson did the same thing with the horn frogs before they were even relevant or had been to BCS games and won the Rose Bowl. And anyone who says that Gary Patterson and TCU couldn't put together a NC team or play in the NC game is an idiot.

    Is BYU where TCU's program is now? Of course not but it starts with making it a goal and working toward that goal. TCU is not quite there yet but they're leaps and bounds ahead of where they were and have 2 BCS games under their belt. Whose to say that BYU could never do the same thing? Bronco's not an idiot like Rex Ryan to declare that this is the year that we're going to win the NC. He's saying that its the goal and that it's what they're working toward and he believes that with that goal BYU will get better.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    What would Brad Rock that Bronco would have said instead. The media are hypocrits. They critize coaches and players for 'coach' speak and they critize the coaches when they say what they feel?

    Should he have said, 'our goals are to win the Utah state championship'. Frankly, i want a coach and team who sets high goals. But then again, 'turkey's don't know anything of reaching for the sky.......nice work Rock! LOL

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 17, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    So-called BYU fans who doubt the Cougars' ability to win a NC as an independent, really are NOT true BYU fans. It's totally possible to do this.

    If previous non-AQ BCS busters can get into BCS bowls with the week SOSes they've had (in most cases), BYU will have no problem, either, because BYU's SOS will get stronger each year as they evolve from having to use WAC opponents as fill-ins until they can get their schedules worked out.

    BYU's credibility and SOS will both rise in short time to where a shot at the NC isn't out of the question.

    The BYU football team will jimmer its doubters.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 17, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    @ fresnogirl,

    "The greatest danger for most of us is not that we aim too high and we miss it, but we aim too low and reach it."

    I'll bet Michalangelo was thinking about the Utes when he said that.

    Considering how much the Ute commenters deride BYU for aspiring so high.

    Jealousy is a funny thing.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    July 17, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    I say let them aim that high. So they end up getting a few at large bids to a BCS bowl, then perhaps sometime in the future, they get the big invite to the NC game. I don't understand why people can't just let them have their dreams. It's not like BYU saying they are going to aim for a National Championship is going to hurt Oregon's chances. So what! Just live and let live.

  • Calvin Coolidge Fan MONROE, UT
    July 17, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Bronco is a very wise coach. Saying that we are playing for the National Championship is for his own players good, and nobody else. You do not inspire players by playing not to win. What happens when you have teams who are playing not to lose, vs. teams that are playing to win? The ones that play not to lose, lose every time, and often lose big! Anybody who has a winners mind set recognizes that you must set goals and play to win. It does not matter if there is a chance to win or not. What matters is the intent of the heart and the mindset moving towards the goals. I can guarantee this... that is they did not set a goal to win a championship, they absolutely never would! Nobody wins by accident, and if they say they did, they are being overly humble, or not completely honest. So anyway, that is my two cents worth. Play to win boys! Win or lose, we're behind you all the way! No fair weather fans here! :)

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 17, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    roquetman

    Don't let truth get in the way of your humility. Someone who fronts an air of self-righteousness should at the least stick to facts and leave your feelings in the bedroom.
    "...ever since this whole independence thing have they somehow become more arrogant, not to mention serving mammon over God, I'm personally getting sick of hearing about the money. So good luck in another vain ambition, and the better team winning last year? If I do recall BYU only beat Wyo and SDSU because of the bad reffing, and if anyone remembers the SDSU game they had someone cheating for them."

    You can throw out irresponsible comments like these without some correction. Apparently you know nothing about the BYU-San Diego game last fall. You were not there. BYU did not have someone cheating for them. This is documented fact.

    And please, Brad Rock, if you are going to paraphrase someone as inaccurately as you have done, at least try to follow it up with an explanation of what the meaning of the statement was. (See Bluto's comments at 7:13 a.m.)

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 17, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    "The Cougars won the championship in 1984, but that was back when their toughest opponent was ... well ... they didn't really have one."

    Well .... Mr. Rock, ... BYU won the national championship. Well ......

    "You have to aim high to get high and that's how you win." Unbelievably profound.

    No one guaranteed a National Championship this year. I will guarantee on thing, though - utah loses to BYU in September.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 17, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    We got your back Bronco! You can even quote a scripture while you make these goals. Your coaching is awesome and your vision for the future is our vision too. We are in it all together, Rise UP!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    July 17, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    We're in for some more good laughs at the cougars this year. If I were a cougar fan, I would be a little peeved that our goal isn't to go undefeated, but to actually win the championship. Better to set a goal that isn't IMPOSSIBLE. It is out of the teams' hands to win the championship - unless of course BYU is willing to front millions in bribes to the BCS (which might not be beneath this school who believes winning is more important than how you play the game).

    And to call the cougar team respectful? The most disrespectful team in the entire FBS is BYU - even the lead-in to the article says tons about this team and their leadership "the better team lost" in the utah-byu game. hmmm, not only untrue and unsportsmanlike, but eaking of envy.

    Lots of laughs to come...

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 17, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    Thank you Ute fans for your continued obsession with BYU. 86 comments so far on this article that has absolutely nothing to do with Utah and yet at least half of the comments are from you. Nicely done!

    As a BYU fan, I want to say thank you to our administration, coaches and players who have the courage to aim for the highest and best, both on and off the field. Players who keep the honor code, excel in academics, and strive to be the best they can be athletically is what being a student athlete at BYU is all about. If their goals were anything less, I would be very disappointed. Furthermore, having once tasted the sweetness of a NC, why wouldn't we want to get there again? Conference championships have been nice, bowl games are fun, national rankings are great but once you've been to the top of the mountain, nothing else compares.

    "Persecutions may rage, calumny may defame, but the truth will go forth boldly, nobly and independent!"

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    The big question is why are our jealous little brothers still trolling BYU articles when they supposedly "moved on" over a year ago?

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    July 17, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    It is amazing that many have posted what Bronco did not say. Read the article. He said BYU would again win the NC, hopefully on his watch. Most likely he'll get it done also.

    My first post was rejected because the DN moderating staff got called on the carpet. It appears they are being much less hypocritical of their own policies since my morning post.

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    The Cougars aim high, but the Utes don't even aim.. they just take whatever scraps they can get.

    I suppose that if there is no hope then why set the bar high knowing you're going to fail? I'm glad my Cougars never expect to fail and always go into the season with high expectations.

    Go Cougars!!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    Only one undefeated season against awful teams in their history..........why talk? Because that is all BYU can do. The odds of them having a BCS bowl come their way is nil. I wish they would set the lofty goal of being a legit top 20 team sometime soon. Just win BYU and you'll silence all the critics!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 17, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    @ LonestarRunner

    "You mock rivals who are.

    BYU: 10 games on ESPN this season
    Utah: 1 game on ESPN (courtesy of BYU)"

    I see what you mean!

    Utah has 5 marquee home games this year against BCS teams.
    BYU has 1 marquee home game this year against a BCS team (courtesy of Utah).

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    @BigCougFan

    You are so brilliant. The Utes have two undefeated seasons, two BCS bowl wins and pounded both opponents in the process "THIS" century, and are in the PAC-12........and BYU????? Yeppers, a nice t-shirt collection is all, nothing more.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    July 17, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    I like the angle on apparel for the " Quest for Perfection " season Cool !

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Utah fans are just jealous that BYU is talking about winning a second national championship, when Utah has never even sniffed their first.

    Utah finished SIXTH in the final BCS standings in 2004 AND 2008. As much as they like to pretend that they were "in the discussion" for a national championship, the fact is, they weren't even close.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    mgr63

    "Only one undefeated season against awful teams in their history..."

    Call us the first time Utah has a 24-game winning streak with back-to-back Top 7 finishes and a concensus national championship!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Hedgehog (nice name....)

    If this is true I assume you've thrown out your "man crush" jimmer season as meaningless? After all he's a loser ( in your opinion) who's team didn't win it all.

    _____

    How is he a loser? Jimmer won THE NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD... clearly he is not a 'loser' as you say? We all know UConn is the champion but Jimmer is, wel Jimmer.

    And for your information, I still have a MAN CRUSH on Jimmer. And I'm proud of it! Hedgehog, you just got Jimmered!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    I just cannot figure out why BYU fans criticize Utah, which is a way better football program, invited to the "glorious" Pac-12 and represents the state of Utah admirably. BYU does the best they can, which is a good thing, but Utah is in another "league." Literally, and figuratively. Stop with the talk Y fans.......just win and you'll need not say a thing. Go Utes!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    hedgehog...

    I STILL have a man crush on Jimmer, and I'm proud of it!

    GO COUGARS

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    "Brent Casteel may never live down the flippant comment he made before his freshman season when he said he was going to win the Heisman Trophy."-Mike Sorenson, Deseret News

    wwookie, nobody saw Utah fans going crazy about Brent Casteel's arrogant prediction that he would win the Heisman. At least Bronco is just saying that is the goal. No prediction.

    "We could go into the rivalry game 0-10 and as long as we win the game, it's a successful season."-Wes Tufunga, Utah, 2000

    Now there's a team that has their sights set high.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    "I just cannot figure out why BYU fans criticize Utah, which is a way better football program, invited to the "glorious" Pac-12 and represents the state of Utah admirably. BYU does the best they can, which is a good thing, but Utah is in another "league." Literally, and figuratively. Stop with the talk Y fans.......just win and you'll need not say a thing. Go Utes!"

    Uh, mgr, you do realize that you are talking trash on a BYU article, right?
    Trolling the BYU boards, calling out BYU fans for defending their coach from the trools....that's rich.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 17, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    "I just cannot figure out why BYU fans criticize Utah, which is a way better football program, invited to the "glorious" Pac-12 and represents the state of Utah admirably. BYU does the best they can, which is a good thing, but Utah is in another "league." Literally, and figuratively. Stop with the talk Y fans"

    mgr63:

    I'm sure there's a lot you can't figure out - come back in about 30 years and we'll talk about your glory years.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    1984 is a long time ago Cougar fans! If BYU was the "real" deal......some BCS conference would have snapped them up........but they didn't. I wanna know when BYU will beat a decent team on the road.........when?

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    July 17, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    I have a new motto for the Cougars: "Walk softly and carry a big stick". Until you have walked the walk and did your talking on the field, be careful with what you say as the teams that are preparing for you watch and listen as well. Right now this talk proves nothing and does nothing for the program but bring closer scrutiny. Talk first about winning a game and then a second game. Let your work speak for you and not your mouth. The Cougars are setting themselves up for a lot of disappointment if they don't measure up to this talk. One game at a time and one win at a time.

  • OregonCougarFan Keizer, OR
    July 17, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    As a Cougar fan living out of the state of Utah, I like to read articles about BYU on the DN website. Do very many Cougar fans go onto the Salt Lake Tribune website and make comment after comment about Ute articles? Just wondering because it seems ridiculous to me that so many Ute fans seem obsessed with BYU. I can gratefully say that I don't care one whit about what Whit is saying or not saying about the upcoming season.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 17, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    This is one pathetic article of troll comments.

    I thought BYU was in a ute rear view mirror? Obvioulsy the view is straight ahead and the Utesies see nothing but a blazed trail to the NC by BYU.

    I like goals, they inspire. I could watch Glory Road, Hoosiers, Rudy, The Rookie, Blind Side and Miracle over and over again.

    Bronco inspires and that will motivate his players to do more and more is needed to achieve a lofty goal. Nevermind the obstacles, nevermind temporary setbacks, nevermind defeat, nevermind the stupid naysayer comments. Win games and the goal becomes closer.

    BYU will win more games this year and will win on Sept 17th.

    U... not so much this year and who cares? If a team is not on tv will anyone miss them???

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    I wanna have the Cougar fans start speaking about how wonderful they are after week 6. The annual pre-season national champs should stop the jinx they have on them by boasting so relentlessly.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 17, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    OregonCougarFan

    It is what ankle-biters do. But the season comes soon, so we tolerate them. First rude awakening, Sept 17. Well, actually it probably won't be the first for Utah, but it will just have to do.

    Listen to me, sounding all spiteful. I actually believe in Utah, and hope they do well. But I really am looking forward to getting scoreboard back. First, win the state...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 17, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    "If a team is not on tv will anyone miss them???"

    KennyG,

    How many times did you watch Auburn on TV last year? I beleive the folks out in lil'old Utah only got to see the Iron bowl. But guess what winning does.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    You know Cougar fans, you have two road games that you could easily lose and then have to face Utah after they only have one hard game and the other one is a joke against lowly Montana St. I would relax a bit with the "greatness" talk until you perform. And remember.......one loss and your season will end with the Armed Forces Bowl.......a real yawner......like all the other bowl games you have played in, lost many of this century.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 17, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    Rock knows what he's doing. He was laughing when he hit the submit button to the paper. An article like this stirs up the Ute fan base, they'll say some nasty things (i.e read the message board), Cougar fans will defend until next Sunday, they'll pull out every stat they can think, U fans will say BCS bowls, Cougars will say National Championship, etc.

    EVERYBODY is guilty of the same thing, being over zealous for their team.

    Rock got everyone to read his article...he's still laughing.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Why not shoot for the top? nothing wrong with believing in your ability to coach and your players ability to get it done on the field. I would be worried if they didnt believe they could win every game. Why even take the field if you dont believe you can win? Good for Bronco and the team in setting a goal to reach the top, thats why they play and thats why we as fans watch and hope for.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    mgr,

    Ok, I'll bite. 2008 No.3 Oklahoma, and no.18 Oregon State. Technically not road games, but they weren't in Provo. Before that no.15 TCU 2006.

    So answer me this, when was the last time Utah beat a ranked team on the road, besides Alabama.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    Hedge-"I beleive the folks out in lil'old Utah only got to see the Iron bowl. But guess what winning does."

    Not true. We watched 4 Auburn games. Could have watched more, but had conflicts.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    July 17, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    U sure are looking defensive and insecure. Why else would you be trolling a team that isn't even in your Conference? Do U troll the Pac-12 papers trying to discount their trophies that U don't have?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    sammyg "Obvioulsy the view is straight ahead and the Utesies see nothing but a blazed trail to the NC by BYU."

    The trail blazed by BYU doesn't exist anymore, just like leather helmets. The new way is called "The BCS", a strange and unknown place to Cougars. Yes, you could go for the "AP only" NC, but be honest... if the AP had given an NC to Utah when they beat Alabama, Cougar fans would say "That doesn't count. It's not the REAL national title."

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 17, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    mgr63

    That game against lowly Montana St, is that like your bowl game against lowly "Girlsy" State?

    Talk about too much mouth, not enough game! And you say cougars never learn?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 17, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    HAHAHAHA! Oklahoma in 08 was way overrated.......worst team Bob Stoops ever had at Oklahoma and finished the season ranked 47th........just like Bo's Michigan squad in 84'. His worst team he ever coached their!

  • CaliforniaCougFan Pleasanton, CA
    July 17, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Rockmonster, you wrote,

    Look at BYU's schedule: Mississippi, Texas, Oregon State, TCU, Utah and a Central Florida team. BYU won't run the table on that.

    You have been wrong many times in the past. I predict this is another time when you are wrong again!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 17, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    He should have said to win ANOTHER national championship. Few teams can even say that.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    "He should have said to win ANOTHER national championship. Few teams can even say that."

    By few you mean... 46 teams.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 17, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    @mgr63
    "I wish [BYU] would set the lofty goal of being a legit top 20 team sometime soon."

    What are you talking about? Texans should know the facts. Here are the facts, for four of the last five years, and we'll be back in the Top 25 again this year.

    2006 - 11-2 Final Rank 16
    2007 - 11-2 Final Rank 14
    2008 - 10-3 Final Rank 25
    2009 - 11-2 Final Rank 12

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    "We're confident in ourselves and believe we can go out and have a successful season this year, and our goal is to play for a national championship, and we dare someone to say we can't, because we're going to prove people wrong."

    You dare me? Challenge accepted. Mr Heaps, you can play for a national championship, but I guarantee you won't win it, and so do TCU and Texas. BYU can beat any team on their schedule except those two. (Although personally I think that Utah, Hawaii, and possibly Ole Miss will pull out wins against the cougs.)

    Plain and simple, the cougs do not have enough talent to win a national championship. They can play for it all season long, but a 9-3, even a 10-2 team will never win the national championship with the current system, especially when they have a schedule that's half WAC cupcakes.

    Mr, Heaps, (and Bronco) thanks for giving the media and every other team's fans more reason to believe that BYU has a tradition of loud mouths.

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    It's funny to watch the Utesies get all worked up. They all like to pretend the whole "girlsy state" fiasco didn't happen and that they weren't just pounding their chests last year (before the "biggest game in Utah history") that they would win the NC that year.

    Silly Utes. Thanks for the laughs.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 17, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    @mgr63

    Your comments are applicable to Utah. You might want to look in the mirror. Joining the PAC does not change anything about Utah's program except the amount of money you get. You get NO respect for being an also ran in a BCS conference. I live in the Big 12 and used to live in the SEC.

    How much respect do you think losing in those conferences generates? What do most people think of the also rans in the PAC? Especially West of Utah?

    When Utah goes undefeated in the PAC then we can talk respect. In the meantime you are just another schedule filler for the real powers.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    mgr,
    There you go saying things you can't back up again. 08 Oklahoma played in the NC game and lost to Florida. You need to quit making things up. 09 Oklahoma wasn't bad. They beat Stanford in the Sun Bowl. The same Stanford team that went to the BCS in 2010. Oklahoma was a healthy qb away from going to another BCS bowl in 09.

    You never did answer the question.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 17, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    @mrg63 Sorry to assume you are a Utah fan. You are most likely a TCU fan. TCU probably will dominate the Big East but then you know how much respect the Big East generates.

    TCU in the meantime has a lot of respect because they have earned it the last 2 years and they have had great recruiting classes so they are likely to continue to do well.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    "I just cannot figure out why BYU fans criticize Utah, which is a way better football program, invited to the "glorious" Pac-12 and represents the state of Utah admirably."

    Here's a thought...

    We criticize utah, because utah fans post on a BYU article trying to stir the pot. Therefore, it's like defending our territory.

    BTW since we are on the criticize mode, utah IS not that good at football period. They had what 2 great years out of the last 50 or so. Maybe when utah can start winning a league title on a regular basis maybe utah will be a little more respectable in the football dept. With utah's history of winning league titles, the PAC does not need to worry about the ute football program for a very loooooonnnnngggggg time. But hey, gymnastics has the winning tradition that ute fans can get behind and support, I am sure they will contribute way more then the football team will, over the next 10 years or so. Plus utah football does not represent me or the majority of Utahns, only a select few of diehard fans can claim utah football as their own.

    Go Cougars!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 17, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    @Afro14 Most BYU fans realize that BYU does not currently have the talent to get a NC this year. However, the first year or two of independence should produce enough talent that BYU can start to serious build for a NC run during the Heaps era.

    BYU needs a great TE (or two), consistency in the WRs, and very good dbacks. The rest of the positions on the team are probably good enough to contend now.

    The Dline is deep and strong. Ditto for the LBs. The OL is great a usual, the RBs are good. Heaps is getting better and will set records if healthy.

    BYU's coaches are young but fairly capable.

    BYU could beat TX and TCU but it would be difficult. TX is still adjusting their offense to a pro set. TCU has a new QB. Both should have great defenses. MS, Utah, ORst, UCF and HI are not easy games.

    Mendenhall has always believed in the spirit and attitude of the team. If they can get the confidence they can roll in spite of not quite enough talent.

    A lot depends on the TE/WRs. If they catch fire the D is adequate.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    It's ok to set your sites on working towards a national championship, but its entertaining to me that some cougar fans think this is so much more plausible because they've "already been there."

    No they haven't.

    They don't give out championships for beating teams w/ 6-6 records anymore. 1984 was a nice accomplishment, but it was accomplished entirely against sub-par teams. You actually have to play and beat a good team now, in a national championship game, to be crowned a national champion.

    The system is still flawed, but at least strength of schedule matters now. Everyone who isn't a BYU fan knows that by todays standards 1984 wasn't a championship. It was a shampionship.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    Moderate | 8:48 p.m. July 17, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    "He should have said to win ANOTHER national championship. Few teams can even say that."

    By few you mean... 46 teams.

    Funny, the Utes aren't on of those 46.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:56 a.m.

    *one of those 46

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 18, 2011 1:08 a.m.

    If Coach Mendenhall and the Cougar Faithful want to continue to talk about winning another National Championship, it's no skin off my nose. Just recognize that it rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and not just Utah fans. Just 4 days ago, an article (BYU Football National Championship Aspirations Unrealistic) was published to that effect in the national media.

    I like the idea of setting goals for things you have control over. For example, going undefeated. BYU, or any other team for that matter, can't "will" their way into the National Championship game - they have to be invited. Four non-BCS teams (Utah, Boise State, TCU, and Hawaii) have gone undefeated seven times in the last seven years, yet none were given the opportunity to play for the championship. I'm not saying that it is right, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

    I can't prove this, but I suspect that no team and its fans spends more time talking about winning a national championship that has less of a chance of actually doing it than BYU. It's been 26 years since you went undefeated; do it again, then hope for the best.

    Good luck!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 6:24 a.m.

    " I suspect that no team and its fans spends more time talking about winning a national championship that has less of a chance of actually doing it than BYU."

    Utah'96,

    Great comment.

    What worse is the head coach and AD are say this as well. Talk about amatuer hour.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    @Moderate

    Since 1959 there are only 4 "Official Polls" which are sanctioned by the NCAA to dertermine an NCAA College Football Champion, they are....

    AP-Associated Press
    Coaches (UPI etc. currently USA-T) (Waterford Crystal Trophy)
    FWAA-Football Writers Association America (Grantland Rice Trophy)
    NFF-National Football Foundation (MacArthur Trophy)

    In the last 51 years, only "19" teams have been voted #1 by all 4 Official Organiztions.

    Many other years there were split titles.

    Note: BYU was voted #1 in all 4 Polls, and thus were a
    "Consensus National Champions". No debate!

    BYU is one of only 19 "Consensus National Champions" since 1959

    Here are the others:
    Auburn
    Alabama (3)
    Florida (3)
    LSU
    Texas (3)
    Ohio State (2)
    Miami (3)
    Oklahoma (3)
    Florida St. (2)
    Tennessee
    Clemson
    Georgia
    USC (3)
    Nebraska (2)
    Notre Dame (3)
    Penn St. (2)
    Syacuse
    Pittsburgh

    And Still.....No Utah!

    Note ute fans ..... BYU has all 4 of the "Official NCAA Champion Trophies", right there at BYU's Legacy Hall.

    Right along with a Heisman Trophy, Outlands, Davey O'Briens, Sammy Baugh trophies etc.

    No Utah, these are all Post-Leather Helmet Era, and the reason BYU has a National Brand and are considered a Legacy School.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    @hedgie

    When you "Have been there and done that", the motto then becomes,

    "Let's do it Again." That's BYU.

    When you are Utah, and have never won a NC if Football or a Heisman or Outlands, etc.. then your motto is...

    "Maybe, perhaps, if we're lucky, someday, we just might be able to go to a BCS game again"

    Which ten teams a year play in.

    As for Utah "Aspiring" to a National Championship if Football, their Motto is..

    "Fredettaboudit!"

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    The only difference between Bronco and other teams and coaches is he said it...win every game and win a national title. If you don't go out to win every game then get a new job. I suspect Utes are expecting to win every game as well and that would put them in the position to be national champs. So say it. I'm a Cougar fan and I love it that we have two great programs in the state. I am really looking forward to having the Aggies come to Provo. Who called that a rivalry last year? Winiing once every ten years does not make it a rivalry. That was USU's national title game.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    I agree that BYU as an Independent will just have to win games...

    1st : Win BYU/Utah game
    2nd : Win marquee match-ups against high level programs
    3rd : Try to go undefeated

    Simple right...

    P.S. Heard a great comment on ESPN radio. An interview with David Steele from the Sporting News, talking about the new NFL CBA agreement and the new rookie deal for first round top picked players... "This will protect teams from paying the big contracts to busts like, Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russel".

    ohhhhhh ouch!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 18, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Bluto

    "BYU is one of only 19 "Consensus National Champions" since 1959... the reason BYU has a National Brand and are considered a Legacy School"

    Add to that Bronco's goal to add another national championship trophy to BYU's trophy case and it's almost more than the folks on the hill can bear; which is why they've worked themselves into such a frenzy trying to convince themselves that this an impossible goal. It's much easier to ridicule other programs, than to actually go out and win your own NC.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    ""Let's do it Again." That's BYU"

    Bluto,

    Sorry, but you can't "do that again". You see the two and a half decades ago Shampionship was played against a 6-6 team. Thank goodness the BCS stepped in to bring sanity to college football or bYu just might have won the NC last year...after all, you played a 6-6 team in a bowl game last year.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    Who doesn't want a title?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 18, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    @ Utah'95,

    BYU fans LOVE rubbing their detractors the wrong way. It's called "jimmering" when they make predictions and then back them up.

    And before you reply that BYU won't back up it's predictions, that's just a detractor being a detractor, nothing else.

    I'm amused by all the RELEVANCE Ute posters give BYU via their comments on these articles. Cracks me up!

    Must be an underlying issue here...

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 18, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    @ Bluto,

    GREAT RESEARCH!

    Most BYU fans probably weren't aware that BYU was the CONSENSUS NC that year. I didn't.

    And for those who think beating a 6-6 team for that championship invalidates it, well they either weren't alive then to have seen it, have never watched it, or simply are Ute trolls who could never accept it, thus their feeble attempts to make it sound weak.

    Tough! Consensus is consensus, no matter WHEN!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    "Just recognize that it rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and not just Utah fans. Just 4 days ago, an article (BYU Football National Championship Aspirations Unrealistic) was published to that effect in the national media."

    Utah 95,
    First of all, this is a blogger, not someone who I would call "national media".
    Second, it didn't "rub him the wrong way". He just said that he prefer that his teams set more realistic goals, which is understandable since he is an admitted Jet's fan.
    Third, this is the same guy who said Oklahoma would not lose to BYU in 09, and that he would "bet my life on it".

    His blog was a good read. Nothing like the rhetoric that we keep hearing from the ankle biter Utah trolls on this board.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    "Sorry, but you can't "do that again"."

    Hedge,
    You said the same thing all season long about Jimmer.
    "Can't" get past the first round.
    "Can't" beat San Diego State.
    "Can't" win Player of The Year.
    "Can't" blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    "Can't" died in the cornfield along with you and your credibility a long time ago.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    No need for talk Cougar fans......let's see how you do? One thing is for sure.....not many football fans in this country wanna see you win. Maybe, just maybe you should stop talking....because few folks outside of Utah could care less about your ridiculous commentaries.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    All this talk is to get BYU on the NC map this year nothing else. If the "Y" defied the odds and won all their games, then BCS becomes a political lobby. Bronco and BYU are trying to get in that picture since they do not have a conference.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    The best thing about BYU fans.......they just cannot how to be cool. They talk.....that is what it has always been......"talk."

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 18, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    @ mgr63,

    If you could care less about BYU posters' "ridiculous commentaries," then why are you on this board? Sounds a bit hypocritical.

    Glad for your support, as misguided as it might be.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    ""Sorry, but you can't "do that again"."

    Hedge,
    You said the same thing all season long about Jimmer."

    kewgar 1,

    No, what I said is it's impossible for bYu to duplicate what they did 2 1/2 decades ago. bYu will not be able to have a 108 SOS and play a 6-6 (6th placed big 10 team) in a mid December bowl game and win a Shampionship.

    Since that date bYu has not come close to having the qualifications to compete for the legitamite BCS National Championship....not even close.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    "Maybe, just maybe you should stop talking....because few folks outside of Utah could care less about your ridiculous commentaries."

    mgr,
    You would be wise to follow your own advice. Nobody is doing more talking than you are.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    At whats........because there is nothing more amusing than watching you frail souls capitulate. BYU was dissed......"DISSED!" Did you hear that son?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    @Hedgie

    BYU won 24 straight games over 2 years. They beat a Top 3 Pitt, a preseason Top 5 Michigan team, which when they played BYU, had all their horses back and healthy for the Holiday Bowl. BYU beat the Pac 10 champ UCLA, in '83, as part of their 2 year winning streak, the same UCLA team which beat #1 ranked Illinois in the Rose Bowl.

    And nobody beat anybody that beat BYU

    The fact is this, Hedgi, "EVERY" Major Poll voted BYU #1.

    It was not Split nor Debated, outside of Switzer, Gumbel and Jealous Utes.

    It was a "Consensus", I suggest you look up the definition of "Consensus".

    Utah could not even eek out a 1 in 4 split in '08.

    You said:
    "Thank goodness the BCS stepped in to bring Sanity to college football or BYU just might have won the NC last year".

    Sanity? Really? Like when Nebraska played for the BCS National Championship, even after having lost their last game in the Big 12 Championship game?

    So now you praise the same BCS system which left Utah out in the cold, twice? And TCU/Boise St?

    Your ignorance regarding College Football History is Epic!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    hedgehog | 8:31 a.m. July 18, 2011

    Your post makes me laugh.

    With your reasoning, there has been no national champion, ever.

    You bolster the BCS which is nothing more than organized crime as stepping in and saving the nation,

    I guess they saved them too when they denied utah the chance to play for the NC in 2008.

    Thank heavens because we wouldn't want a playoff, like every other legitimate sport in the history of sports so that the players can decide who the champion is on the field, rather than some sports writer, or coach who gets to vote.

    Good thing that uties see the BCS as their BFF now.

    Just cause you don't think that BYU deserved its NC doesn't make the trophy in our legacy hall any less shiny.

    As it has been pointed out, let me help you with a vocabulary word. Consensus, as in BYU was the consensus NC. It means that all the people who mattered were in agreement on who would win it. (I guess you didn't get to vote?)

    Nice try though. Maybe with a few hundred more posts you can prove it wrong.

    Maybe...

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    @mgr63

    Memo ute Trolls....

    There sure is a whole lot of Hardware in BYU's Legacy Hall, for all their so called "talking"!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 18, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Mgr

    Um, no, I didn't hear it!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    @mgr63

    Dissed?

    That would be Utah, by ESPN, when they chose which teams they would put on their Blowtorch of a Network.

    BYU 10 games...

    Utah none (excluding the coat-tail ride on BYU)

    Now that is being Dissed!

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Talk is cheap...that's why byu breaks the BCS and wins the NC every July.

    Why don't they get all square with Utah State first?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    @mgr63

    wow, that's a whole lot of talk by someone who is trying to convince other people that you are better than they are.

    Who are you trying to convince?

    I have lived all over the US and in a couple of foreign countries. BYU is not hated as you want to believe, they are respected.

    The hate seems to be coming from you, in your own little world. You should get out more.

    Dissed?

    Yep you were.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    All these ute trolls/BYU haters amaze me. I don't understand why there are so many posters that hate BYU but have such an inferiority complex regarding anything BYU that they have to post something negative. Why does it bother all of you that BYU voices what their goals are? It shouldn't matter at all to you guys. Your hatred, negativity, demeaning,belittling comments just show your character and it isn't pretty.
    Why can't everyone congratulate each other on their accomplishments, instead of downplaying them. Example: I congratulate the Utes on having Longi sign to play for Utah, the same could be said for all the players the Utes sign. Why do so many Ute trolls belittle, or make degrading comments about BYU's signings or BYU's goals. Does it make you all feel better? If it does that is sad. I congratulate the Utes on their undefeated seasons and I hope they can have more, why do so many of you hate BYU and hope they fail? Grow up people.
    Bantering back and forth doesn't prove anythng and it just makes those who are demeaning, degrading and negative about their rivals look like an immature crybaby child.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    BYU has a National Championship, Utah does not. That's all that it comes down to. BCS wins are NOT National Championships. There is no way to say they are close to it. It is what it is.

    People only remember the champions. Again, tell me who won the 2007 Orange Bowl, tell me who won the 2009 Sugar bowl, tell me who won the 2008 Rose bowl, tell me who won the 2004 Fiesta bowl.... Nobody remembers and they shouldn't because the champion is the true winner and the only one that matters.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Bluto,
    your defense has a bigger hole in it than the titanic.

    "BYU won 24 straight games over 2 years"

    against WAC team....

    "They beat a Top 3 Pitt, a preseason Top 5 Michigan team"

    who finished with a total of 9 wins combined.....

    "beat the Pac 10 champ UCLA, in '83, as part of their 2 year winning streak, the same UCLA team which beat #1 ranked Illinois in the Rose Bowl."

    And Utah beat Alabama who went on to win the NC the next year.....

    "And nobody beat anybody that beat BYU"

    Because no elite programs played bad WAC teams...

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    BYU got the ESPN deal because of #s. Not how many fans they have......but because millions and millions want to see them LOSE! Go to the deep south Cougar fans......see how many football fans can tolerate BYU.......not many. And, a ton in California as well.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    UU702

    once again you catch yourself in a circular reasoning uties often fall for.

    Is anyone saying that we "will" win a national championship? No.they are saying it is a goal.

    by parlaying you bias into the mix, you create something that has never been said.

    the question is why do you care what BYU has for it's goals? It takes not a man to belittle another man's goals, but a fool who has no goals of their own.

    you tirades are tiresome, because you have no objectivity.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    "No, what I said is it's impossible for bYu to duplicate what they did 2 1/2 decades ago. bYu will not be able to have a 108 SOS and play a 6-6 (6th placed big 10 team) in a mid December bowl game and win a Shampionship."

    Hedge,
    Changing what you said in your original post that I responded to is not helping your credibility. The quote above is not the same thing you said in the post I was responding to.

    Hedge= Zero credibility.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    @Bluto.....that "hardware" in Legacy Hall is antique. Talk about this century.......then we should talk about the Utes.....they are the real deal.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Hedgie

    Same stale, old, lame arguments.

    No matter how you wish it. No matter how you spin it. No matter how many times you post it.

    BYU is still a Consensus National Champion.

    Give it a rest. No matter how much you want to change it. You can't.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    July 18, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    I made my annual pilgrimage to Mecca (Provo) two weeks ago. My oh my, that consensus National Championship trophy is an amazing thing to look at. It is so tall and when the sunlight hits it just right it looked like there were two of them in the trophy case. It was like a sign from Heaven. I'm pretty sure that was confirmation that another will be joining it sometime in the next few years.

    Maybe once we get the second one we can give the old one to our little brothers up north. Then they can say they have a National Championship trophy too.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    "but because millions and millions want to see them LOSE! Go to the deep south Cougar fans......see how many football fans can tolerate BYU......."

    mgr,
    Really. What is your source. You are famous for making up numbers to back up your point.(ie.45 required religion credits at BYU) Back it up. I have been to Texas and all over the deep south wearing my BYU apparel, and the only comments I get from people are positive. You're just making up #'s again.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    @ it is what it is-
    Bleacher report on 1984:

    "The Cougars defeated only one bowl team during the regular season (Air Force), and did not play anyone who finished the season ranked in the top 20. BYU's most impressive road win was at Pittsburgh, who finished the season 3-7-1.

    The AP probably should've awarded their No. 1 ranking to Washington, a team that went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl over No. 2 Oklahoma. Instead, the Huskies finished second in the final poll behind a BYU team that had not truly been tested all season."

    Ha. SHAMpionship.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    @ mgr63

    Doesn't matter if those people are tuning in on ESPN to watch BYU LOSE!! As you say....

    They are tuning in and ESPN knows that fans of college football care about BYU winning and losing, which in the end makes BYU Nationally relevant.

    The BYU brand is something alot of college fans know about nation wide and ESPN executives know this.

    Can't argue with it....Sorry

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 18, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    @ mgr63,

    If what's happened in this century is really the "real deal," then why is BYU getting all the TV exposure and Utah not?

    ESPN knows who's the real deal. You apparently don't. Dream on.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    mgr,
    ".that "hardware" in Legacy Hall is antique. Talk about this century.......then we should talk about the Utes.....they are the real deal."

    So, any school with a NC before 2000 is not the "real deal"? Way to throw out over 200 years of history with your cherry-picking comment.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    mgr63 | 10:15 a.m. July 18, 2011

    My coach always told us you are only as good as your last game.

    So, I'll bite.

    I am willing to admit that BYU's national Championship was last century if you are willing to accept that teams are only as good as their last game. Because in that same line of reasoning, 2008 and 2004 are ancient history too.

    Wanna play?

    Yes, utah played a tougher team, but were exposed as being a terrible team who is on the down slide.

    BYU played a weak team and built momentum going into this season.

    What spin would you like to play on that?

    Careful what you say, four years ago in football is just as bad as 25 years ago.

    "What have you done for me lately?"

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    truthsandwich,
    Bleacher report? Really, that is what you are using as your source to try to discredit a NC from 84? It's a blog by a nobody. There are also blogs on bleacher report talking about how Jimmer will go down as the next Pistol Pete. Any Utah fan can get on bleacher report and spew their nonsense. For all we know, you could have posted that.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Oh hedgie and mgr63

    Look at you guys, so cute and cuddly and still wet behind your ears.
    Thinking History began with You. You really do think that College Football began 6 years ago, right as Utah won their first BCS game.

    How Convieeeeenent.

    Well trolls, Storied Elite Legacy Programs, all over this Land, like BYU, display their NC Trophies (all 4 for BYU), Heismans, Outlands, Obriens, Baughs, Doak Walkers, Consensus All-Americans, College Hall of Famers, alumni's NFL MVP's and Super Bowl MVP trophies, every day.

    Recruits really notice...uh oh Utah, what to do, what to do?

    Legacy Teams build Halls, like BYU's, on 3 levels, others settle for Closets, like Utah's.

    It demonstrates their "Achievements" and "Legacy" and "Tradition".

    If and when Utah ever equals any of these, let us know.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    July 18, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    BYU is like the brother in Napoleon Dynamite, the one who lives in a van and relives glory from 30 years ago over and over. Really Sad.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    @truthsandwich

    Washington ducked playing BYU, they were invited, they had their shot.

    Thus becoming the only team in College football history to turn down playing the number 1 ranked team, for the National Championship, accepting Orange Bowl money instead. Very next season, BYU beat Washington 31 to 3.

    Nice try though. History is not on your side.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    Well folks, Utah is a better school and has a far brighter outlook than BYU as it stands today. Utah is a red state......true?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @Cougars1
    Then I'm sure you'd be happy to tell me which part of that quote isn't true :)

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    @mgr63

    That's all you have....Utah is a better school?

    lol @ you

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    mgr63 | 10:46 a.m. July 18, 2011

    Haven't you had enough? You've been school 5 ways to Sunday.

    For the love of.....

    give it up already.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 18, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    @ Bluto

    "Note ute fans ..... BYU has all 4 of the "Official NCAA Champion Trophies", right there at BYU's Legacy Hall.

    Right along with a Heisman Trophy, Outlands, Davey O'Briens, Sammy Baugh trophies etc."

    Utah has won more National Championships than byu, Utah has won more conference titles than byu, Utah owns the rivalry 54-34-4. Who cares what byu and Utah have accomplished in their past. It's all about what you have done lately that people remember. That is why Utah is in the Pac 12 and byu is sitting in the corner by themselves reminiscing. You got a sweet ESPN contract which will give you national exposure. Well so does Utah beginning in 2012 when the Pac 12 tv deal kicks in. Every Pac 12 game will be nationally televised. Time to come back to the 21st century. The glory days of byu football are over. Your program has plateaued since LaVell Edwards retired!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    truth,
    It's not about what's true. It's about someone cherry-picking facts to back up their own opinion.

    For example, I could cherry-pick and say that Michigan was a top 5 team that was hit hard with injuries before getting everyone healthy for the Holiday Bowl. Or that the same Washington team you claim should have been #1 was beat 31-3 at the start of the 85 season. Or that same Washington could have played BYU in the Holiday Bowl, but chose not to. That was very damaging on their part. You get the point.

    The truth? BYU did play a weak schedule, but the way the season played out was in their favor so that at the end of the season they were voted #1. If there are so many who don't like it, maybe they should lobby a little harder for a playoff. Otherwise, they should just keep their mouths shut and learn to live with the results.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    "That is why Utah is in the Pac 12 and byu is sitting in the corner by themselves reminiscing."

    Bleed Crimson,
    Not reminiscing, setting goals that Utah doesn't even have on their radar and getting Utah trolls all lathered up over it. Look at you morons posting on an article about BYU's goals. I think I would be more worried about the goals of my own team; seeing as how you have moved on to the PAC12. Why can't you trolls back up what you say by just simply not posting on BYU articles. Thanks for the relevance.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    "Your program has plateaued since LaVell Edwards retired!"

    Bleed Crimson,

    So true. Levell took the kewgs to the Cotton bowl before he left...since then? a fired coach and Vegas bowls.

    And now because of the knee jerk actions of holmoe, they can't even get to the Vegas bowl.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Starfarer,

    Ute players and coaches probably do do the same, and hope for and set goals of a national title. They just dont make shirts about their QUEST, and they dont come out with their QB and coach and proclaim it to all the world. Heaps said he was going to win a title in his press conference before he had ever taken a snap at the Y, or even practiced once with the team. I am all for having an ego and being confident in sports, but keep it in the locker room for crying out loud. You make yourselves sound stupid when you proclaim things like that in public. When players guarantee a victory, then they lose. Sometimes it does happen, but 1 game is a bit different than pretty much saying that you will go undefeated and win a national title. To each their own though I guess, and if Bronco wants to make statements prognosticating that they will win a title when they have no chance is his choice, it is just not the right one.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 18, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Utah has won more National Championships than BYU"

    Except women's gymnastics and skiing (coed team), the Utah men have never won a national championship.

    BYU men have won national championships in football, golf, volleyball, rugby, and track & field.

    "Utah has won more conference titles"

    Most of them during the leather helmet era. In the last SIXTY years, BYU has won 23 championships; Utah has only won 6.

    "Utah owns the rivalry"

    Once again, most of Utah wins came during the leather helmet era. BYU has won 26 of the last 39 BYU/Utah games.

    But the most important comparisons are these:

    Major College Football National Championships
    BYU 1 (concensus, all five national organizations; #1 AP, #1 Coaches)
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophy
    BYU 1
    Utah

    National Individual Awards (Heisman, O'Brien, Outland, etc.)
    BYU 17
    Utah 0

    National College Football Hall of Fame Inductees
    BYU 7 (six players)
    Utah 1 (zero players)

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Utah has two BCS wins and virtually nothing else on their football resume.

    BYU is a legacy program that has been a perennial Top 25 program for the past 34 years.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    @Bluto
    "Washington ducked playing BYU"

    Haha yeah they decided to play a better team in a bigger bowl, rather than settle for a mid-major in a money-less bowl.

    But BYU beat a completely different Washington team (who had a bunch of losses) the next year, so history is on your side!

    BYU did not beat one single quality opponent. Shampionship.

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    July 18, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Finally a coach says what he really feels. How many coaches use cliche after cliche, its old and boring to hear where just happy to be here, or were just focused on a conference title etc etc........
    Does it really matter that he is saying it publicly or behind closed doors. By making theese kind of statements byu will get noticed good or bad which i think was byu's whole point. More people will may watch byu just to see if byu sink or swim because of theese statements alone, my guess is the ute coaches are saying the same things behind closed doors.

    The bigger question is why do you care uties how would you react to kyle if he had said the same things since the only real chance you have at a nc is on paper in the near future.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    "To each their own though I guess, and if Bronco wants to make statements prognosticating that they will win a title when they have no chance is his choice, it is just not the right one."

    Papa smurf,
    If that is your opinion, it is your right to have that opinion and I respect that.
    What I want to know is where were all of you haters of stated goals when Brent Casteel proclaimed his freshman year that he would win the Heisman?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    It's interesting how Utah fans like to pretend that college football history is only relevant since 2004, but if you switch to college basketball, suddenly 1944 seems like only yesterday.

    The Utah fan dilemma is, if you only count relevancy since 2004, their once stellar basketball program become irrelevant and pales in comparison to BYU.

    The real issue with their football comparisons, is even if you only count the Bronco/Kyle era as relevant, they only want to compare Kyle's lone highlight, 2008.

    BCS Bowl Wins
    Kyle 1
    Bronco 0

    Looking at the bigger picture, however

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Head-to-Head 3-3

    To win a championship, you have to build momentum from previous seasons. BYU has a history of doing that, with many back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes. Utah has never done that.

    BYU won the national championship in 1984 by putting together back-to-back Top 7 finishes.

    Even in their greatest football era, Utah has never even managed back-to-back Top 15 finishes; something Bronco did in 2006 and 2007.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    truthsandwich,
    "Haha yeah they decided to play a better team in a bigger bowl, rather than settle for a mid-major in a money-less bowl."

    Uh, and win a NC if they win. By the time they share Orange Bowl money with the PAC 10 schools and travel all the way across the country, it probably COST them money. What a moronic thing to post.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    @Cougars1

    "If there are so many who don't like it, maybe they should lobby a little harder for a playoff. Otherwise, they should just keep their mouths shut and learn to live with the results."

    BYU's Shampionship caused the entire system to be changed- something was done about it. Strength of schedule actually matters now.

    I agree though, a playoff needs to happen. While improved over '84, the system is far from perfect.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    BleedCrimson

    Too bad Utah still hasn't figured out how to work the Color of Crimson into their uniforms, instead of Nebraska Red.

    BYU's National Championships
    are in....

    Football
    Track and field
    Rugby
    Mens Volleyball (3)
    Womens Cross Country (4)
    Golf
    Basketball ('52 NIT, was THE National Championship)

    Total 12

    Utah's

    Womens Gymnastics
    Skiing
    Basketball

    Total 20?

    If U can count Womens Gymnastics, then BYU can count Ballroom Dancing. About 20 straight years now. Or maybe Drill Team National Championships.

    Who has a more balanced, overall Athletic Program?

    BYU has 23 Conference Championships in Football in the Modern Era. (from the WAC on)

    17 Top 25 finishes in Football.

    BYU had "9" Top 25 Programs last year. Utah had only 1.

    Oh yea, Utah, you'll be just fine in the Pac, where Olympic Sports are King.

    Sorry Utah, seasons of 8 games, when High school games were literally on the schedule, and every BYU-Utah game was played in SLC, don't count.

    What a pathetic desperate stretch.

    Give it up boys, by no objective measure does Utah's historical record measure up to BYU's in Football and overall all.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    "By making theese kind of statements byu will get noticed good or bad which i think was byu's whole point"

    byu116970,

    You bring up a great point. I do agree that holmoe and bonko are looking for any attention they can get... if you can't get it by winning(good) then get it by saying you'll win (bad).

    Personally I would think that a religious school would want to come of as more humble, confident but humble. Instead you get this sense of entitlement...

    Again, bab steps
    1) beat USU
    2) get to a BCS bowl game
    3) win a BCS bowl game

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    truthsandwich,
    I agree 100%. We don't have to look too far to find something we can agree on. More changes need to be made so we don't have heartburn over a 2 loss team winning the NC while an undefeated team gets nothing.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Washington and Nebraska both decided to play lower-ranked teams, rather than play the #1-ranked team (both polls).

    Washington only beat Michigan 20-11, the same Michigan team that BYU beat 24-17.

    One other little caveat; neither Washington, nor Nebraska, won their conference championships, which is why they were both available to play in the Holiday Bowl as at-large teams. How can you argue that a team that didn't even win their conference championship was worthy of being the national champion, if neither of them beat the #1-ranked team in their bowl?

    The poll voters carefully scrutinized BYU's record and every other contender's record for over a month before finally awarding the concensus national championship to BYU.

    But here we have a bunch of whiney, jealous Utah fans, most of whom weren't even alive in 1984, trying to rewrite history simply because BYU's reality doesn't match their Utah fantasy.

    Win your own national championship; then you can compare whose national championship is more relevant. Until then, a 1984 national championship will always be infinitely more relevant that NO national championship.

    Of course, Utah might want to start by making winning a national championship a goal!!!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    ute trolls

    So you've had your say. You've got it all out. There you go. Calm down.

    Nothing has changed.

    We still have a National Championship.

    We still 10 of our games on ESPN.

    We still won our last bowl game.

    Feel better?

    Instead of trying to tear down BYU why aren't you rooting for your team?

    It's hard to respect someone who wants to tear you down and has no pride in their own team.

    So in the next article, let's see if you have any new arguments.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    Lonestar,
    That was a great post. If it was so easy to win a NC pre-bCS, then where is Utah's NC? They played under the same rules and system that BYU did, so if BYU could win a NC with a 108 strength of schedule, why couldn't Utah?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 18, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    I love the comments of anti's:

    "BYU did not beat one single quality opponent. Shampionship." Yep, not even Utah was worth anything that year.

    "And now because of the knee jerk actions of holmoe, they can't even get to the Vegas bowl." BYU wanted to give Utah the chance to continue their amazing success in that bowl, so they handed it over to U.

    "BYU is like the brother in Napoleon Dynamite, the one who lives in a van and relives glory from 30 years ago over and over. Really Sad." Funny, because your pal Bleed Crimson said, "Utah has won more National Championships than BYU, Utah has won more conference titles than BYU." If that's not living in the past, I don't know what is!

    "That is why Utah is in the Pac 12 and byu is sitting in the corner by themselves reminiscing." Bleed Crimson, there is a chair in our corner with your name on it. You are an authority on reminiscing all state of Utah programs so we need your input. Bring your pals too! We can all sit together and talk about BYU's past...you all have so much knowledge!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    @lonerstar

    "Washington beat Michigan by more points in the big house than BYU did at a neutral site."

    Nice comeback.

    None of my posts have re-written history, just stating facts that you clearly find disturbing.

    And youre exactly right, most of these fans weren't even alive in '84. So maybe they should stop saying that "another championship is made so much more plausible because we've been there before." You haven't been there. You haven't come close to a championship by todays standards, where beating at least one good team is a requirement. 1984 was a nice accomplishment, but when it gets repeatedly thrown in my face as evidence that BYU is a few months away from an actual championship (not a shampionship) I don't mind pointing out a few facts.

    Bottom line is we need a playoff.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    Cougar1

    "if BYU could win a NC with a 108 strength of schedule, why couldn't Utah?"

    Because Utah fans mistakenly believe that a program with no past history can suddenly win a national championship with one great season.

    BYU's best versus Utah's best:

    BYU 1979-1984
    1979 11-1 #13/#12 - WAC champion
    1980 11-2 #12/#12 - WAC champion
    1981 11-2 #13/#11 - WAC champion
    1982 8-4 unranked - WAC champion
    1983 11-1 #7/#7 - WAC champion
    1984 13-0 #1/#1 - WAC champion, National Champion

    Utah 2003-2008
    2003 10-2 #21/#21 - MWC champion
    2004 12-0 #4/#5 - MWC champion
    2005 7-5 unranked
    2006 8-5 unranked
    2007 9-4 unranked
    2008 13-0 #2/#4 - MWC champion

    Combined record
    BYU 65-10 FIVE Top 12 Finishes, 6 WAC championships
    Utah 59-16 TWO Top 12 Finishes, 3 MWC championships

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Blue,
    You left out the 96 top 5 team. Probably a better team than the 84 team.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    national championship?? Well maybe the Y should first tackle Texas and Ole Miss this year and see how they do. BYU has some good players but they aren't a top 20 team this year - at least on paper. Anything can happen as we saw last year with the BYU/OU game in Dallas but I just have a feeling BYU is going to start the season with losses - Texas and OU and perhaps even Oregon State as well. I don't see the Y being athletic enough to stay with these guys.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 18, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    200+ comments on a BYU article. Look at all of the exposure. Thanks for the turnout trolls. You want to know what all of this means? More BYU articles.

    Go Cougs!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    July 18, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    Cougars1

    Another thing we can actually agree on. Utah was not a good football team way back when. They had the same opportunity, and it was BYU who capitalized. I'm really not a hater on that 84 team- all you can do is beat the teams that are put in front of you and they did that. It wasn't their fault they were playing in a broken system, and didn't get a chance to play Washington, or any other good teams. I'm just pointing out that it does not compare to a championship today, where beating at least one good team is a requirement.

    Even though we're in a BCS conference, we'll always remember our recent undefeated years when we were denied a shot. College football deserves a playoff.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    truth,
    Agreed; and if I am going to be honest, I must admit that when Utah handed it to Alabama, I was wishing it was my boys in blue instead of Utah. Either way, our local Universities are building a pretty good tradition in football.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    .......38 comments by Yner fans complaining about people that don't agree with them on "their" board...........poor lil' fellas. Need a tissue blue boys?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 18, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    "You haven't come close to a championship by todays standards"

    As much as jealous Utah fans like to believe this, it simply isn't true. The AP determined its national champion in 1984 in exactly the same way it determined its national champion in 2003, 2004, and 2008 -- by a majority of voters selecting that team #1 in the final AP Poll.

    BYU won the 1984 AP National Championship using the exact same standards that exist today.

    Utah hasn't come close to winning a national championship by any standards.
    --Utah finished 6th in the final BCS standings in 2004 and 2008.
    --Utah didn't play in the BCS championship game.
    --Utah has never been ranked #1 in any major poll, before, during or after the season.

    Bottom line: Utah's undefeated seasons are no more meaningful than any other team's undefeated seasons that weren't considered worthy of a national championship.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    "Quest for the Armed Services Bowl." That has a nice ring to it.......realistic too......if BYU can stay at .500.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    "Quest for the Armed Forces Bowl." That has a nice ring to it.......realistic too......if BYU can stay at .500.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Cougars1

    I was only illustrating the track records each team built leading up to their best seasons ever.

    BYU 1996, 1983, and even 1981 may all have been better than BYU 1984, but the one thing 1984 did, that the rest of them didn't, was refuse to lose.

    BYU's goal-line stand just before halftime at Pittsburgh, Kyle Morrell's epic line-leaping, backfield tackle at the goal line against Hawaii, and Bosco, playing on one leg, leading BYU to a come-from-behind win over Michigan, are the performances that will forever distinguish BYU 1984, from those other great BYU teams.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    The bowl is so insignificant I cannot even remember it's name? Hahahahahahahahaha! Man O man?

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 18, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    mgr63

    ...over a dozen posts on one BYU article by the same BYU-obsessed 2nd grader.

    Get a life already.

    If Utah fans are content with something less than an undefeated season and a national championship as your goal, you won't find any BYU fans spamming Utah blogs to whine about it. Why does it bother you so much that your big brother aspires to something higher?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Interesting fact:

    On the list of teams with multiple undefeated seasons all-time in football, guess which school is not on the list?

    Hmmmmm....we know it's not the Utes because they've done it twice in the last 10 years. Oh that's right, byU has only done it once.....EVER.

    btw...the Utes have done it 7 times.

    I love to hear the talk of undefeated this and NC that, it just set's them up to fall flat on their face once again. Nothing new. Just do it and then talk.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Blue,
    My misunderstanding.

    By the way, does anyone know mgr's address? We need to send help; I think he has finally cracked.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 18, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    "Except women's gymnastics and skiing (coed team), the Utah men have never won a national championship"

    So, your saying women's championship sports do not count? Are you being sexist now? For your information Utah has won a National Men's Basketball Title (1944).

    "Most of them during the leather helmet era. In the last SIXTY years, BYU has won 23 championships; Utah has only won 6."

    So your saying that Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan's National/Conference Championships don't count because they were played in the Leather Helmet Era? logic should tell you that you count your sports accomplishments from the beginning of your sports history. From the beginning of both Utah and byu's football history; Utah has won 24 conference titles, byu won 23. Quit spinning stats to favor you! Record books still show Utah owns the rivalry! There was football played prior to 1973.

    "Utah has two BCS wins and virtually nothing else on their football resume.

    BYU is a legacy program that has been a perennial Top 25 program for the past 34 years."

    Those two BCS victories got us in the Pac 12! What has your National Title gotten you?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Hey boys, how is the ice cream down in Provo these days? I think after week three you'll need something "honorable" to brighten your outlook......sweeten ya up a bit!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    July 18, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    "......the Utes have done it 7 times."

    a typically meaningless stat by a desperate Utah fan

    gotta love those 5-0-2 and 6-0-2 "undefeated" seasons, especially that 1928 "undefeated" season where the Utes were SHUT OUT by BYU 0-0.

    How many of Utah's "undefeated" seasons ended in a national championship?

    Or even a Top 10 ranking?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    mgr63,
    "BYU got the ESPN deal because of #s. Not how many fans they have......but because millions and millions want to see them LOSE! Go to the deep south Cougar fans......see how many football fans can tolerate BYU.......not many. And, a ton in California as well. "

    Nevermind the "recommend" button, where's the "laughing hysterically" button?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 18, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    I'm saying Utah should change their fight song to "Utah Woman", because without the Utah women, Utah wouldn't have any national championships.

    After losing in the opening round of the NIT, Utah won the NCAA tournament, but Army was awarded the 1944 National Championship. Only Utah fans would try to claim that beating Idaho State twice and Colorado College once is a national championship caliber season.

    While Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan were winning National/Conference Championships playing decent competition during the leather helmet era. Utah was winning "conference championships" in conferences that the rest of the country didn't even know existed.

    Utah's leather helmet era championships were so meaningless that Utah never once finished in the final AP Top 20 poll from 1936, when the poll was established, to 1993, long after BYU and Utah had helped create the WAC.

    Utahs two BCS wins had nothing to do with Utah's PAC 12 invite.

    BYU's consensus national championship got them into an exclusive club that has only admitted 19 members since 1959.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    The only people in the country you'll find calling BYU's 1984 Championship a sham are jealous Ute fans (BYU haters). Sad really.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    OK folks, is it a realistic thought that BYU will ever go undefeated again.......No, it's just not going to happen. Their scheduling woes, having decent schools scheduling a few games, having to play on the road with very limited talent and future recruiting due to many factors that impede BYU to attract "ALL" people.......it's just not going to happen. BYU is a good school, serves it's people well, but it's curriculum and shortcomings academically, as it relates to post grad degrees, science, etc......really hurts BYU's capability to attract a BCS conference. Sure, nobody can deny that BYU has a good athletic dept........they do. But, in the overall scheme of things they could only expect to be associated with a mid-major conference.......so they went indy because they were dissed. Wish BYU luck, because they need it.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 18, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    BYU has one NC and is making the moves that will create another one.

    Utah has it's own knitting to worry about and is pretty much not relevant outside of Utah. It has some respect for it's BCS bowls but those are fading.

    There is no reason at this point to expect Utah be be much better than last year which means middle of the PAC this fall.

    BYU on the other hand should get a lot of exposure and make progress over last year.

    Both have to win or they are just another top 30-50 program. Good but most of the nation is not going to care.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 18, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    The more exposure BYU gets the worse off they are. I believe church officials wish that the wwweb was never invented. It has proven to be a real problem. The nation cannot stand BYU fans, and now they'll be on TV every week? Oh my goodness?.......every board on the net proves that. Utah will be just fine......we have some very good athletes there and are well coached. Let's hope they do well. Go Utes!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    mgr63

    for fans that the nation can't stand, see mirrior; there's nothing more despised than a fan who's nothing but a hater

    talk about being exposed, remember

    7-47
    3-27
    3-26

    outscored by a combined 13-100 in their three nationally televised games

    after that debacle, it's no wonder the PAC 12 did their best to hide utah from anymore nationally televised embarrassments

  • Indifferent SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    "Best team lost." That is going to be my motto for everything going forward. Never take responsibility. Blame other, don't give anyone else credit. How does Bronco sleep at night when the football program has single-handedly demoted all other BYU sports?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 18, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    "Why does it bother you so much that your big brother aspires to something higher?"

    I agree.

    BYU represents a church we all know about. That church teaches its members to excel at everything they do and be the best you can. BYU is living up to the Churchs' teachings it represents by setting the highest goal it can, by trying to win ANOTHER national championship. Anything less than that is not living by the standards of the Church. If other schools don't set their goals for everyone to see then who cares. BYU is proud to set very high goals. If perfection is not reached and they fall short, then at least they had a goal for perfection and did their best. If you don't like this philosophy, then you'll never like BYU because this will never change, and will especially never change as long as Bronco is at the helm.

    I'm very proud to be a BYU fan. Bronco's goals inspire me to set my own goals as high as I can.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    Indifferent

    Bronco sleeps just fine knowing that he is returning BYU football from the Crowton ashes to the glory days of the 80's and beyond. BYU's entire athletic program has been elevated from the MTN to the Worldwide Leader in Sports.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    Listen up friends from the hill...

    Sincere thanks to our many from the hill for spending countless hours validating BYU's move to independence. If this was going to be such a miserable failure, you wouldn't have to spend so much time trying to convince everybody.

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    July 18, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    Mgr and company just proves that even with a pac invite all they still can talk about is byu. If your new club is so great why are you spending so much time on mine.

  • Billy Budd Saint George, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    BYU fans have sufficiently trashed all unworthy/illegitimate opponents on their 2011 schedule.

    Where it once looked like BYU had 4 legitimate opponents, they actually have only 3 legitimate games on their schedule in 2011.

    Mississippi, once, one of the four legtimate teams, has since become the Vanderbuilt of the SEC West. The prestige that was going to come to BYU for beating an SEC team has evaporated.

    Conference USA: UCF, Big 12(-2): Texas, and MWC: TCU remain as the only legtimate teams on BYU's schedule.

    If BYU can steal one of those three games, a win against a Conference USA team or a win against a Mountain West team, a 10 win season is guaranteed.

    Again, kudos to Tom Holmoe for scheduling 9 guaranteed wins.

    Bronco should easily be able to lead BYU to, at least, a 10 win season.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    @BleedCrimson "Those two BCS victories got us in the Pac 12!"

    So what got Colorado into the PAC 12?

    Some fun stats:

    Since 2004, Colorado has gone 34-49 with 0 BCS bowl appearances and 0 BCS wins.

    Since 2004, Utah has gone 69-20 with 2 BCS bowl appearances and 2 BCS wins (good job).

    And yet....
    Both CU and the U get invited to the PAC 12. What's more, Colorado gets more scheduled games on TV than do the Utes and their premier game against USC gets placed on the ESPN family of networks (ESPN2) while the Utes big game against the Trojans get relegated to the mtn 2 (Versus).

    So, in a nutshell, your two BCS wins got you stuck in the high chair at the "big boys" table, while Colorado's horrible football team gets an actual seat that includes dessert.

    Ouch.

    Those BCS wins have really helped U become relevant, huh?

    But hey, on the bright side, U get to listen to Bill Riley a LOT this year...hopefully he remembers to tell U the score of the game before the 4th quarter. He tends to forget that... :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    Gotta give the Ute trolls credit. They get bloodied and battered and beaten down over and over again and still keep coming back for more punishment. If you had 1/10 of the passion for your own team as you have for BYU, Utah would actually have some solid fans but I'm willing to bet that most if not all of the trolls on here, rarely if ever post on Utah articles. Oh well keep enjoying your beat downs, I know it was entertaining for me!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    There are alot of comments that have been posted today and one thing that should be evedent to any honest reader is that although Utah is a good program and has had good success the last 8 yrs or so, BYU has by far better numbers as far as wins, awards, rankings etc and especially when you look at the whole sports program (olympic sports). BYU is a top notch sports program, no matter who you compare them to.
    The ute trolls/BYU haters want to say the reason the utes got the call to join a BCS conf. is because they have the better program, NOT TRUE, the stats prove otherwise. You can argue all you want about how important or impressive the 2 BCS bowl appearances were, (& they were) but that isn't why they were chosen over or ahead of BYU. BYU not getting into a BCS conf. doesn't have anything to do with how good their football program is or how good their sports programs is, (the stats show they are better than most and better than Utah or Colorado). The reason BYU didn't get into a BCS conf. has nothing to do with sports.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    What a hoot, reading all of these silly comments from bitter and jealous Utesies over BYU's 1984 NC and a coach's comment that he's going for the big one.

    What really inspires the human spirit are the comments along the lines of 'we can still lose some games and play in the Rose Bowl'. We can lose a few and still get a BCS bowl game. Talk about a cop out for mediocrity.

    Yeah, that's really great, that's a winner's attitude, that really inspires.

    Don't change a thing Coach Mendenhall. BYU's football program is headed in the right direction and we thank you for being at the helm and correcting the course.

    I love all the great things that are coming together, 10 games on ESPN, TV coverage for everything, some great games this first season, XM and Sirius Radio, an IPhone / Ipad app, BYUtv coverage and archives, internet coverage and archives, HD for everything... 24/7/365. Can it get better than this?

    More wins than U this fall and most definitely a solid win on Sept 17th!

    This will be big, Heaps and company are going to be fun to watch this year!

    Utes... on the radio!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 19, 2011 12:22 a.m.

    I think most people are misinterpreting the question.

    There is nothing wrong with aspiring to win the championship. No one would argue that.

    It's legitimate to question whether Mendenhall should come out publicly with it. The reason is... it brings a high potential for harm, but offers very little benefit.

    BYU's opponents this year may use those remarks as extra motivation to go out and pound BYU to a pulp. It may work, or it may not. But why put a Target on your own team's back? Meanwhile, you can instill the same goals and aspirations in your team if you just do it privately.

    That's the debate. Mendenhall has demonstrated his penchant for bold talk in the past (quest for perfection/band if brothers) so it appears that he can be a little loose lipped at times.

    Personally, I don't know how much I'd like it if Whitt added extra motivation for teams looking to cream Utah in the years to come.

    It's a valid argument.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    "That's the debate. Mendenhall has demonstrated his penchant for bold talk in the past (quest for perfection/band if brothers) so it appears that he can be a little loose lipped at times."

    Red,
    It really comes down to a difference in philosophy. You and howie prefer coach Whit's approach, and Cougar fans prefer Bronco's approach. Nothing wrong with either approach except that Ute trolls like to get their feathers in a ruffle over everything Bronco says. By the way, I fail to see what is wrong with "band of brothers". It's no different than MAFU. "Loose lipped"? That would be your opinion. Personally, I would rather have a coach that states his goals over a classless coach who goes for an onside kick in the 4th quarter with a 40+ point lead. Or a coach who puts the opposing teams logo on the urinals in the locker room. And you criticize Bronco for creating extra motivation for opposing teams because he simply states his team goals? TCU's Gary Patterson openly stated that TCU's goal was to win a NC. He even showed the camera the chart on the locker room wall with the goal.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 19, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "The reason is... it brings a high potential for harm, but offers very little benefit."

    I disagree. There is a benefit when bloggers and rival fans go into a frenzy claiming that "it's unrealistic", "it's impossible", "it can't be done", ramping up the challenge to BYU's players to prove the naysayers wrong.

    One team's high expectations may be labeled "audacity" by opposing teams, especially when opposing teams don't have those same high expectations.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 19, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    cougar1...you said

    "I would rather have a coach that states his goals over a classless coach who goes for an onside kick in the 4th quarter with a 40+ point lead"

    Interesting that byU offered Kwitt the job first. Had he accepted, you would be praising his name and saying how great he is. You can try and rip on coach Whit all you want, but it will all come back to bite you in the end. Is that all you got on Kwitt anyway? lol

    Bronco and Hypes can "talk" all they want. Does not bother me a bit.

    Just back it up.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    "Interesting that byU offered Kwitt the job first. Had he accepted, you would be praising his name and saying how great he is. You can try and rip on coach Whit all you want, but it will all come back to bite you in the end. Is that all you got on Kwitt anyway? lol"

    Bronco states his goal for the football team in general. Is that all YOU got? I like K Whit. He is a great coach, and obviously would be welcome at BYU. I was trying to make a point as to how hypocritical Utah fans can be. Criticize Bronco for stating his goals, but not say a word about something as below the belt as what Whit did. Whit apologized and I think he made an honest mistake; no big deal, but Utah fans want to analyze and criticize everything Bronco says as it relates to his team. lol

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 19, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    utahcountyute

    "interesting that BYU offered Kwitt the job first. Had he accepted, you would be praising his name and saying how great he is."

    Actually, you're only projecting your own myopic view of the world, that "your coach" walks on water and could never do anything wrong.

    Plenty of BYU fans criticized Chow before he left BYU (you should have listened to some of the post game call-in shows), but now that Chow is a Utah coach, Utah fans claim that BYU fans never criticized Chow while he was coaching at BYU, and now they've turned on Chow because he's a Ute.

    Unlike Utah fans, BYU fans would have ripped Kyle if he'd been coaching at BYU and pulled that onside kick while up by 40 stunt.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 19, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    @ SportsFan

    "Unlike Utah fans, BYU fans would have ripped Kyle if he'd been coaching at BYU and pulled that onside kick while up by 40 stunt"

    Apparently you "Y?" fans don't know the reason Coach Whitt pulled the Onside Kick while up 40 points. Utah was playing Wyoming in Salt Lake City back in 2007. The week of or day before the game. Wyoming coach Joe Glenn told boosters and media that he will Guarantee a Wyoming victory. You just don't do that as a coach, that comment became bulletin board material for Whitt and the Utes. The onside kick was a statement that you just don't make comments like that against Utah. Joe Glenn ate his words while giving the one finger salute to Whitt! Y? fans will argue its unsportsmanlike, but to Utah fans it was a statement to a coach who disrespected Utah's program. He got what he deserved!

    Go Utes! Go Pac 12!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    "The onside kick was a statement that you just don't make comments like that against Utah. Joe Glenn ate his words while giving the one finger salute to Whitt!"

    What? Worst justification I have ever heard. Beating them by 40+ isn't enough humiliation? By your reasoning, BSU would have been justified doing an onside kick with 2:00 left in the game because of the "girlsy state" comment. It's not like Joe Glenn called out the Utes; he gauranteed a win while talking to students in the student union building. So I guess because he didn't tell them that Utah was a much better team and they should expect a loss, Utah was justified. Whitt must really get his feelings hurt a lot if his skin is that thin. Hypocrites.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 19, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    PAC 12...

    BYU fans are fully aware of the excuse Whit used to justify his bush-league behavior... in fact, Whit wasn't even man enough to admit the real reason at first, initially trying to justify the onsides kick as Utah just "needing to practice" their onsides kicking game.

    Sorry, I have great respect for Kyle as a former BYU player and as a coach, but there was no legitimate excuse for attempting an onside kick when you're up by 40 points in the second half.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 19, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    @Pac12 loves U

    "Apparently you "Y?" fans don't know the reason Coach Whitt pulled the Onside Kick while up 40 points. "

    It couldn't have had anything to do with the waxing that Wyoming handed Utah the year before in '06, could it? Wyoming was us 31-0 in the 3rd QTR and ended up winning 31-15.

    It couldn't have had anything to do with K Whitt's pride being a litle hurt?

    Nah...definitely not :)

    Go Cougars!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 20, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    trew kewg1, sports fan, kewg 1,

    Why are we talking about an onside kick that happened several years ago? I thought the article and discussion was about whether it was a good idea to proclaim your pursuit of a national title publicly or keep that goal within the family.

    We get it. You didn't like KWhitt's decision from 2007. What's more, it was a game that none of you had a dog in. Why belabor the point ad nauseum?

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    July 20, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    I don't really care about an onside kick that: 1) didn't involve BYU; 2) happened years ago; 3) was executed against Wyoming.

    In fact, I have no love lost for Wyoming. Not that long ago, I traveled to Laramie to watch the Cougs battle the Pokes and was pelted by a bag containing human waste.

    I don't condone Whittingham's actions, but I don't like Wyoming, either.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    July 20, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Someone call KWhit - we need an adult in the room. Obviously Bronco and his childish dreams of grandeur have started all the kids bickering with eachother...

    What happened to the Bronco who was just the average football coach who put respect above winning championships, etc., but now is in the mode of any great football coach and will stop at nothing to win his trophy? Give Jim Tressel a call, he has a few secrets.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    Devilish,
    Please take of the red glasses so that you can see the irony in your comment. "Why belabor the point ad nauseum?" Exactly, over 250 posts on this article, and half of them from Utah fans who want to belabor a goal of the BYU football team "ad nauseum". I hope that clears things up for you. I was only trying to use the story to make a point of how much of a double standard Utah fans have.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    @DevilishUte "Why are we talking about an onside kick that happened several years ago?...What's more, it was a game that none of you had a dog in. Why belabor the point ad nauseum?"

    That's an extremely ironic comment since it's coming from the same guy that keeps bringing up BYU's 1984 National Championship as being a sham, most recently on the Uona Kaveinga article "DevilishUte | 10:09 a.m. July 20, 2011 " (yes, Devilish...I am stalking you :)

    That also was a game/season that no Ute had a dog in. Why belabor that point ad nauseum?

    Please don't try to go all "high and mighty" on us, Devilish...we both know Ute fans and BYU fans alike bring these things up to get a rise out of the other fan base :)

    It's all part fo what makes this rivalry great!

    Go Cougars!