The train is leaving the station. Time to get onboard boys. If it is not
obvious to you to see what ESPN sees you should schedule an eye appointment
immediately. No question the 2 for 1 is a concern, but time will prove this is
only temporary. BYU has the facilities, resources, and the exposure to overcome
these temporary and minor obstacles. BYU will be considered a top
10 program within the next 5 years.
ESPN was as high on BYU during the first session of Media Day as BYU is on ESPN.
This is going to be a great partnership. The number of eyeballs
that will see BYU play football in September and October will eclipse the number
that got to see them on The MTN by 100 to 1 or maybe more. The spotlight is
clearly on BYU. If they perform well, the spotlight will only get brighter.Bronco is not only a great coach; but a great spokesman for the church,
the university and the principles we believe. He never lets issues like the
Honor Code get cast in a negative light. HHis comment about the
linebackers was hilarious. It's no wonder he has such a good relationship with
his players. Bronco on defensive and Brandon on offense is an
exciting combination. I think we'll see an aggressive team this Fall. Go
BYU is definitely on the right track. I like everything that is happening.As far as the 2-for-1, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If BYU has
extra road games at Texas, UCLA, Florida State, or Ohio State, that's actually a
great thing for recruiting to be showcasing the team in those hotbeds. And, it's
nice for us Cougar fans outside of Utah to have a chance to cheer the Cougs on
in person.Go Cougars!
When it comes down to it, all ESPN cares about is how many viewers they get.
viewers=$BYU has a large demographic across the nation,
and after BYU decided to go independent, ESPN decided to take that opportunity.
Let's be honest here, if ESPN signed contracts on the merits of only being a
'respected program', then they wouldn't be very successful. ESPN cares about
viewership, and viewership only. BYU brings this to the table. There are a lot
of Mormon (some non-Mormon) fans across the nation. Fans like to watch them,
whether they be rooting for or against them. All that matters is that they are
watching.ESPN is no respecter of programs, the hall of fame is what
that is for. ESPN is a business, and they saw a good business opportunity and
took it. Let's not twist it and say it's due to certain factors beyond money
Ute16;One little thing you ran around a bit but diddn't quite nail down.
ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national
brand. How is this not being a respector of programs / institutions. How many of
the BCS schools could stand on their own merits and land an independent ESPN
contract. Probably only one or two of the top schools in each BCS conference.
Any business respects those who bring them success. They respect them by
partnering with them to sell their product and both benefit.This is a
pretty weak attempt to rain on the parade. One drop doesn't do much to a parade.
The real question is, if BYU is so much better off now in independence, why
didn't Holmoe and company go independent sooner, before Utah left the MWC?No, I'm not just talking trash. I'm genuinely curious to know why. I'm
sure there has to be good reason(s) why BYU didn't make this move sooner.
I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone heard it.
@ Bottom Line "BYU will be considered a top 10 program within
the next 5 years." Whggff...gulp. Gosh darn it, I just choked on my corn
flakes after reading that. Oh my. I knew some Cougar fans were a bit
delirious, but I had no idea it had gotten this bad. What's the air quality
like in Utah County? Oh...man (chuckling).....Ok, if you guys says so. That's
the best laugh I've had in weeks. Earth to Cougar fans. I'm a
realists. You have a great TV contract. It will help you recruit, that I will
give you. Even though (for now) you will be the Thursday & Friday night
darlings of College Football, I give you props. But I will go on record here,
in front of all of these witnesses, and venture that BYU will never be a top 10
Program within the next 20 years, oh darn, I'll say never. When you can recruit
with the likes of Alabama, Florida, and Texas, then maybe you have a shot. But
that is just plain ridiculous on any level to make a statement like that. I'm still chuckling. I'll even throw in a Ducky LOL.
To hear Coug fans tell it, BYU is the ONLY college team on ESPN.That's
probably true for Friday nights on ESPNx.
Go Cougars! All great news coming out of Provo! It's great so see ESPN by so
many games on the TV broadcasting schedule.
I was particularly surprised by the comments from Dave Brown (ESPN VP) that
clearly shows ESPN plans to market BYU as highly as they market the SEC. That's
a phenomenal statement and shows what ESPN believes the BYU brand can do.
TJ Ute16 is correct. Viewership trumps all. A cost per viewer ratio may
more accurately represent their interest, but number of viewers is the most
significant issue in either post. Being successful and having a national brand
all add up to viewers, and total number of viewers is the best way to summarize
Game For Any Fuss It was my understanding that they had a
gentlemen's agreement with Utah. When utah left they probably hopped that the
big 12 would come calling. When they didn't, BYU went to a plan that they had
on the back burner probably for the last five years.As it turned
out. The backup plan was a good one.
TJ"ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and
have a national brand."ESPN wants to partnership with those who
are successful and have a national brand BECAUSE that will bring in more
viewers. If a team was successful but didn't have a national brand, then they
wouldn't consider doing business with them. I'm not trying to rag on BYU. How
could you rag on an ESPN deal? My point is that all ESPN cares about is how
much money you make them.
Congrats.BYU can continue to tout being on TV, because that clearly
outshines anything they've done on the football field recently.Utah
will continue touting their BCS wins, and Pac-12 acceptance.To each
Game for any fussFor one... the new broadcasting facilities so attractive
to ESPN weren't quite complete. It's completion had always been part of any
future movements in BYU's program...to include any possible move to becoming an
independant.Secondly...There was no hurry...but Utah leaving
admittedly had somewhat of a small catalytic effect. It would be pretencious
to say it didn't. But it would also be pretencious to assume that it was the
the major impacting factor...far from it. BYU's relationship with Craig
Thompson...The Mountain West TV contract...and the outcome of renegoiating that
contract as well as BYU's request for a bigger share of income far outway Utah's
acceptance to the PAC as motivational factors to go on the road as an
independant. Thirdly... the most important...and already
previously stated... negotiations with MWC over BYU's request for a bigger share
of the revenue sharing and Television income were still ongoing ...and
regardless when completed with BYU not getting a better share of the
revenue...BYU was in a good position to do anything it wanted to do...fully
knowing that it's revenue base no matter which direction it went was stable and
Wow, ESPN lumping BYU's exposure in with the SEC guys and saying when the
numbers are in, BYU will be right at the top of the heap.The table
is set for BYU to make the leap into the upper echelon of major college
football. This is going to be an amazing year for BYU football. September can't
come fast enough!
"There has to be a reason [ESPN] wants to partner with BYU,"
Mendenhall said.-----Yes, there is a reason, Bronco. They need
programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3. Enjoy!
@starfarer"I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone
heard it." Not entirely sure what you mean? This is more
like "table for one", "alone at the movies" kind of stuff.
To all of our visiting friends from the hill, as you're commiserating, take time
to reflect on the opening stanza of your fight song:"I am a
Utah Man and I live across the green..."with jealousy!
williaryBYU = National Brand recognized by the Worldwide Leader in
SportsUtah = regional smallfry barely recognized by Versusbtw, will Utah's first game as member of the "conference of
champions" even be televised?
Notre Dames contract with NBC has not resulted in being a top ten program. The
formula for being a top ten team that people want to watch is to win. BYU has a
great opportunity, but they have to produce the results on the field. I think
the biggest catalyst for the ESPN contract was that Boise St. was leaving the
WAC and ESPN no longer had that small engine that could to broadcast every week.
There is no way that Boise St. gets the respect they deserved without the help
of ESPN, but the over riding cause of their exposure and noteriety was winning
when no one thought they could and to do it time and time again. BYU
needs to schedule the two for ones and win on the road, as does any team that
has aspirations bigger than where they are now.
As I understand it, Versus' Vice President of Programming stated after
scheduling Utah vs. USC: "We're so happy that we got the Utes on Versus.
Our schedule had been lacking lately with our hunting and fishing shows, we feel
that we've taken a step up with the Utes.":)Good to
be a Cougar!Rise and shout!
UU702 Since ESPN (and all their viewers)are at the table too, it
blows that away.And since 54 millions homes now can get BYU games,
puts a damper upon that one too.
@WilliaryI'd hardly call a 1 year drop in production preceeded by 5
contiguous years of 10 win seasons an undershining. Especially when you are
playing several true freshmen...several redshirt freshmen and a slew of
inexperienced sophmores mingled with a few returning starters. BYU's program as
it is today is a much improved program than the team that started last year.
Especially the players themselves. Add that to a vastly upgraded coaching staff
and ending last season on the rise...it's definitely a great start to a
"BYU will be considered a top 10 program within the next 5 years."I thought it already was. And every year BYU is crowned the preseason
NC. Anyone have a "Quest for Perfection" t-shirt I can buy?
Game For Any Fuss:Excellent and reasonable question. We can, of course,
only speculate. A reasonable assumption is that BYU felt that the combined power
of BYU, Utah, and TCU would result in the MWC receiving a BCS invitation. That
opportunity may have been adequate reason to remain in the conference. Utah
leaving the MWC significantly reduced the likelihood that A BCS invitation would
come.We do know that BYU was attempting to work out broadcast rights
with the failed mtn. network. Their determination that they would be unable to
receive rebroadcast rights likely influenced their decision.It is
also reasonable to assume that the sponsoring organization of BYU had an
interest in keeping BYU and Utah together. When Utah left, that reason for
remaining in the MWC dissolved.We know that at about the same time
of Utah's announcement, the WAC approached BYU regarding partial membership.
That invitation certainly would have stimulated BYU to reconsider all the points
we have discussed, several others that we have missed, plus renew negotiations
with ESPN. Clearly, BYU's final determination was that BYU was capable of
thriving as an independent.
This is absolutely the right move for BYU. Hands down. But when other PAC 12
schools start getting BYU to agree to 2 for 1 deals in football then Utah needs
to do the same and stop the 1 for 1 deal and get the 2 for 1 same as every other
PAC 12 team.
September is right around the corner. Bronco and team led by Heaps start with a
light snack in the SEC. Our future QB from Idaho certainly had a great showing
in 7 on 7. Looks like we have several gunslingers lined up to keep the
Independence Train rolling at least to 2017 or 2018. Great entertainment on
ESPN. Win or lose we love our Cougars. Win and better match ups will come to
Provo. Hopefully we can get a few more of the highly contested recruits
for 2012 and 2013 to feel the independent spirit at BYU and come aboard.
@One Nil to the Arsenal!Please don't choke on your cornflakes. BYU
has been consistenly ranked in the Top 20 over the past 5 years. To assert that
they could be a consistent Top 10 performer is not that difficult for most to
understand.And then your claim that we will be the Thursday and
Friday darlings of ESPN. I've looked at the schedule and I see no Thursday
games. It's true that we have three Friday games, but one of those
(USU) is at BYU's request because of General Conference. One of those is TCU in
Cowboy stadium on ESPN as a swap for a Saturday Louisana Tech game - who
wouldn't take that deal. So that leaves us with really one Friday game against
UCF in Provo on ESPN.If one Friday game makes us darlings . . . so
be it.Please remind me where I can watch the Utes? Or will I have
to listen to their games on the radio?
Shock and awe on the hill!That giant sucking sound you heard earlier
today was the collective breath being knocked out of Utedom when ESPN announced
that 10 BYU games would be broadcast on ESPN this year.Once they've
recovered, expect an avalanche of spam as they try to convince themselves that
10 ESPN games isn't really THAT big of a deal.Afterall,... hmmmm,
utey's need to know...George Uko... DTNick Perry... DE TJ McDonald.. DB Chris Galippo LBJawanza Starling DBDevin
Kinnard DE/LB These are the six most important people that Jordon
Winn will ever know. These guys will definitely get to know Jordon up close and
real personal on 10 September 2011. They will also be the guys who will be
introducing the Utes to Football in the PAC and sending them to it's lower
echelons. There is no way that Utah's poreous O line is going to prevent that
from happening. Uko...Perry and Kinnard... whose returning to his preferred
Defensive End spot... are considered the No.2 best Defensive line combo in the
Nation right now. And Galippo is healthier than he's ever been at Linebacker
and he's not had a bad year yet. Forget USC's record last year and forget thier
sanctions this year. Utah will not get past these guys...no way ...no how.
DevilishUte The question should be why doesn't Utah have a quest for
perfection shirt?Do they not want perfection? Or do they just not
want to state it for people to ridicule?I give propps to people who
state their goals, even if they don't succeed, over someone who makes fun of
people who fall short of their stated goals.Making light of BYU's
stated goals in the vacuum of your own is petty and small.
Hey did anybody notice we were in the conference of champions?
@MenaceToSocietyNice try again (You have to love Ute trolls). BYU
has 10 already schedueled for ESPN. dananana. music to my ears.
@ UtahUte16Perhaps I can couch your obsession with an organization's
desire to partner with a college football team in an analogy you'll
understand.Here's a paraphrase of your post: I'm not trying to rag
on Utah. How could you rag on a PAC 12 deal? My point is that all the PAC 12
cares about is how much money you make them. So you really think two
BCS bowl victories is why the PAC 12 came calling? They needed two teams to make
12 and a conference championship game. You are geographically and
demographically compatible...that's it. You were a third choice after the top
half of the remaining Big 12 South declined the invite and AFTER Colorado
accepted. You can't have your cake and eat it too, it will turn into
crow. I loved the media day and the associated reviews/previews.
Can't wait for Cougar football to begin in earnest. Go Cougars!
TJ, I thought Ute 16's comment was evenhanded and the kind of comment we wish
more rival fans would make.
Dutchboy,There is no PAC 12 team worthy of a 2 for 1 deal with BYU. The
only 2 for 1 possibility from that conference is to have Utah play two in Provo
so they could get a revenue game in Salt Lake. But thanks for the laugh anyway.
Well enjoy your day Provo fans. You had to do what you had to do. The MWC was
limiting both of us, so you did as well as you could.But to me it
still reads 2nd place.1st place receives a spot as a BCS team in a
BCS conference and 22 million in TV revenue.2nd place receives
independence and 8 million from ESPN, huge scheduling conflicts, not a BCS team
or in a BCS league, and affliated with several weaker leagues for certain
"But when other PAC 12 schools start getting BYU to agree to 2 for 1 deals
in football then Utah needs to do the same and stop the 1 for 1 deal and get the
2 for 1 same as every other PAC 12 team."ROFL!That's funny, right there, Dutchman. I don't care who you are, that right
there is funny!W-i-l-l N-e-v-e-r H-a-p-p-e-nUnless it is two in LES, one in RES.
@mussingaroundAgain, all you have to discuss is your exposure on TV.
That's great. BYU fans have bought into the excuses Bronco produces when he
loses games. That football isn't that important.While BYU is
counting how many times they are on ESPNU, Utah will be fighting for a
conference title and a Rose Bowl berth. College football fans
everyone know Utah, after the Fiesta/Sugar Bowls. College football fans,
outside of any LDS wardhouses around the country, might have heard grandpa
talking about BYU 30+ years ago. Recently, they have no idea.
Game For Any Fuss | 11:53 a.m. July 12, 2011 Draper, UTThey
have actually been talking about going independent for about 6 years now, but
what I understand with the MWC and WAC falling apart, it wouldn't be a better
time to go.
Isn't this the time we bring this stuff up every year? I mean all the perfection
and national championship talk and associated expectations? Quietly across
backyard fences, or standing in line at Chuck-A-Rama somewhere is the discussion
that the the "Quest" never really left our mindset. Our hopeful
admissions that we weren't one of the many "lesser" fans who gave our
Quest shirts to Deseret Industries. And now, we can safely bust those shirts out
for the neighbors BBQ, or wear them to the gym or grocery store again. Don't be
afraid! The Quest lives folks! And at least until the games start, and reality
sets in, we should be able to wear them. Thanks Bronco, for reminding us that
the Quest lives on. THE QUEST LIVES ON!!!
TJ said:"Ute16;One little thing you ran around a bit but
diddn't quite nail down. ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful
and have a national brand. How is this not being a respector of programs /
institutions. How many of the BCS schools could stand on their own merits and
land an independent ESPN contract. Probably only one or two of the top schools
in each BCS conference. Any business respects those who bring them success. They
respect them by partnering with them to sell their product and both
benefit....."Plenty of kool aid drinkers here today.You
get respect if you win and increase ratings.And why would an FCS school
leave a conference that gets millions already to just go independent?
"They need programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3."Yes
there are a few Friday night games. I am not thrilled about that but Boise State
did quite well for itself playing on Thursday and Friday nights on ESPN. With
the Broncos now going into college football purgatory (the Mtn) ESPN is looking
for BYU to take their place. What I am thrilled about is that there will be at
least 7 games on either ESPN or ESPN2, plus 3 additional games on ESPNU.
According to ESPN's VP of Programming that puts BYU in the upper echelon of
college football programs for nationally televised games. How many games are the
Utes going to play on national TV this year? The fewer the better. It was pretty
embarassing the last time they played on national TV.
bigutefan"1st place receives a spot as a BCS team in a BCS
conference and 22 million in TV revenue"Let us know when you
get that first $22m pay check; that'll be like sometime in 2020, right?In the meantime, the Worldwide Leader in Sports has already proven that they
think BYU's brand is 10x more valuable than Utah's.Utah's
association with the PAC 12 in any sport besides football and basketball is
meaningless. Utah barely competed in any of the other sports in the MWC or the
WAC.btw, in men's volleyball, swimming, and indoor track &
field, BYU is in the same conference as Utah, at least, in the same conference
Utah might have been if the Utes actually fielded teams in any of those sports.
Bigutefan is right. Independence is 2nd place. The proof is that Holmoe made
sure his contract with ESPN and the WCC had an escape clause in the event that
BYU receives an invitation to a BCS conference. I am a die hard BYU fan but when
I take off the blue goggles I can see that Utah is in a far better position now
than BYU is. They have guaranteed money and guaranteed access to the BCS. Of
course, the whole BCS system still SUCKS but BYU would love to play in a BCS
conference or a BCS bowl game. Having said that, if Ute fans would
take off their red goggles for a moment they would have to admit that it is
pretty incredible what BYU has been able to accomplish with the cards they have
been dealt. There are only a handful of college football programs who could have
struck out on their own and pulled off a deal like this, and Utah is not one of
@RationalSo what ... 2 at RES and 1 at LES it really doesn't matter...BYU
fans will still show up in greater numbers especially after the PAC novelty
wears off and the assured Utah is just another so-so team in the PAC has been
firmly seated...we'll fill the other 30,000 seats or so in RES
DutchmanHas BYU set 2 for 1 contracts with any Pac 12 teams? They played
UCLA home and home (with the Vegas bowl in between). They were home and home
with Washington (until Washington bought out the last appearance). Oregon State
looks like a home and home. I can't recall all series, just wondering if there
is any precedent to 2 for 1 with Pac 12 teams.
Rational,Bronco said himself that the cougs need to learn to be road
warriors because the 2 for 1's will be a mainstay. The road warriors might as
well play two at RES.Whoa Nellie,I realize you probably
avoid reading the Salt Lake Tribune but AD Holmoe told the Trib reporter that
several PAC 12 teams were interested in playing BYU but demanding a 2 for 1
deal. While you may think they are unworthy opponents I don't believe BYU has
much choice in trying to fill a schedule and play games in their recruiting foot
print. 2 for 1's here they come.
We, the Independently minded, have enjoyed the Cougar National Media Day. Great
to see Steve Young, Ty Detmer and Jake Heaps talking BYU sports. We have a great
legacy of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks as well as a Heisman Trophy winner.
The best is yet to come.
Independence will be very good for BYU. It might work really well long-term, but
I think we'll see more variability from season to season (some really high
rankings some years and unranked in others), vs. the usual spot in the 18-25
range.Independence is WAY better than staying in the MWC without
Utah (and then without TCU). It is sad for the MWC, because I think they really
would have been better than the Big East with the U/Y/TCU/Boise combo up top.Independence is NOT better than a BCS affiliation. BYU will give up
independence very quickly if the Big 12 (or any current BCS conference) comes
willary"While BYU is counting how many times they are on ESPNU,
Utah will be fighting for a conference title and a Rose Bowl berth."You've obviously been drinking too much red koolaid.A team
that's only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years; a team that has
lost to every bottom dwelling team in the MWC during Kyle's tenure at Utah; a
team that hasn't won a road game against a PAC 10 team with a winning record
since last century; that team...has very little chance of actually
competing for a conference title and a Rose Bowl berth.While jealous
Utah fans are deluding themselves into believing that playing on Versus and
finishing in the middle of the PAC is better than playing on any ESPN channel
and finishing in the Top 25, BYU will be building their national brand and
fighting for their 2nd national championship.btw, sorry to
disappoint you, but all of BYU's seven announced ESPN games will be on ESPN or
ESPN2. Even if the remaining three to be announced games are on ESPNU, that's
still alot better than playing on Versus or FOX Regional or the PAC 12 channel.
It's rather comical to see so many Cougar fans thumping their chests over a
contract with ESPN that pales in comparison to Utah's deal with the very same
network.BYU's deal = 3 guaranteed games per year, $1.2 million per
game, for 8 years. Most games to be televised on ESPN2, ESPNU, or "The
Ocho" on weeknights. Utah's deal = $19 million over 12 years. Games to be
televised on ESPN, ABC, FOX, FSN, & VS.Even with 10 games on a
second or third-tier ESPN station this year, the Utes will still bring home
nearly twice the money from ESPN.
RepresentBlue said:" According to ESPN's VP of Programming that
puts BYU in the upper echelon of college football programs for nationally
televised games. How many games are the Utes going to play on national TV this
year? The fewer the better. It was pretty embarassing the last time they played
on national TV."Right. Now BYU has more opportunities to lose
on national TV. After all its all about exposure right?Upper echelon and
exposure are two different things. BYU is not upper echelon, only TV
exposure.Please people. I'm tired of BYU getting compared to SEC, Big 12,
Pac 12 type status.
DutchmanWishful thinking by Utah fans and the SLTrib.BYU
has never had a 2-for-1 with any PAC 10 school, including USC, which they played
home-and-home during the Crowton era.PAC 12 schools can demand all
they want, but the truth is, NONE of them fit the "big name" category
that Holmoe said was the minimum requirement for accepting a 2-for-1 deal.
Ute16:Too bad that the utes can't command viewership like the Y.
Too bad that you need to be in a conf to get a tv contract. Too bad, too bad,
too bad.Rise and Shout... the Cougars are out!
Muss Man "It's rather comical to see so many Cougar fans
thumping their chests over a contract with ESPN that pales in comparison to
Utah's deal with the very same network."Does Utah's deal with
ESPN include being totally ignored by ESPN?BYU 2011 - TEN games on
ESPNUtah 2011 - ONE game on ESPN (courtesy of BYU)Please
explain how BYU's TEN ESPN games pales in comparison to Utah's ONE ESPN game
that Utah wouldn't even have if the Utes weren't playing BYU.The
subtle difference that you don't seem to understand is that BYU's contract is an
exclusive partnership between BYU and ESPN. BYU is GUARANTEED x-number of games
EVERY year. Utah has no contract with ESPN. ESPN has a contract with the PAC 12
to televise x-number of PAC 12 games that may or may not include any games with
Utah.You should have checked the fine print because U have no deal
"BYU will be....fighting for their 2nd national championship."That is funny stuff. And the quest lives on...........Pull out the
t-shirts and wear them proudly because BYU is after thier 2nd championship (they
weren't before today).
Rockwell - Get ready to eat crow because Holmoe has already been
considering 2-for-1's with several PAC-12 teams.
@NightOwlAmericaI am just quoting what the man said. The guy is the
head honcho at ESPN when it comes to college football programming so his words
are pretty authoritative. Obviously BYU will not earn any respect from having so
many nationally televised games unless they win a good portion of them, but any
non-biased observer, like Stewart Mandel at Sports Illustrated, has to admit
that BYU has pulled off a pretty stunning deal in its move to go independent in
football. There are maybe a dozen schools in the country who could have pulled
it off and Utah is not one of them. Utah needs the PAC-12. BYU does not.
BigCougFan said"Too bad that the utes can't command viewership like
the Y. Too bad that you need to be in a conf to get a tv contract. Too bad, too
bad, too bad."We will see how fast the Cougs join a conference
when they get invited. Sorry you were NOT INVITED.
"Now BYU has more opportunities to lose on national TV."You mean like the Utes did BOTH times they were on national TV last year? Go
ahead and remind of the Sugar Bowl but what most people outside Utah probably
remember is the Utes getting SPANKED by Notre Dame and Boise State last year.
Jaydee"Perhaps I can couch your obsession with an
organization's desire to partner with a college football team in an analogy
you'll understand."First, my obsession? I made one post and
that makes it an obsession? I rarely post on these boards. I usually read all
Utah and BYU articles/comments, but I usually choose not to post due to the
childish nature of people trying to twist my words, like you have done. I still
don't quite understand the intent of your post other than to rebut me.Comparing the Pac 12 deal and the ESPN deal is comparing apples to oranges.
Their missions are similar, but differ greatly in many areas. You're dealing
with a conference in one, and a television network in the other. When it comes
down to it, yes, the invitation to the Pac 12 has everything to do with money.
The fact that the Utes have had recent success just makes it an easier decision,
but it's not the main reason they were invited. Money rules this world which is
unfortunate. But it makes the college football machine go.
NightOwl"Please people. I'm tired of BYU getting compared to
SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 type status."Get used to it, or stay off
the BYU blogs, ESPN, and every other media that covers college football.As far as your analysis, your hyperbole notwithstanding, you obviously
either don't have a clue or you're grossly misrepresenting BYU's contract with
ESPN.BYU will actually be playing a minimum of SEVEN games on ESPN
or ESPN2 this season and the payout for each game varies on a game-by-game
basis, the actual dollar details of which are pure speculation because they've
never been announced publicly.Besides the BYU game, Utah doesn't
have a single game scheduled on ESPN or ABC. In fact, only two other games are
scheduled to be televised.
ute 16"If a team was successful but didn't have a national
brand, then they(ESPN) wouldn't consider doing business with them."You say Po-tay-toe...business sense. It iwll make ESPN money.I say
Po-tah-toe...respect of national brand and success. BYU has earned both and it
will make ESPN money.They are pretty closely related in regards to
this article. Good luck to BYU and Utah in the upcoming season.
@Muss Man "Even with 10 games on a second or third-tier ESPN station this
year, the Utes will still bring home nearly twice the money from ESPN."I'm pretty sure the Utes aren't bringing home ANY money from ESPN this
I'm ready for cooler temperatures and football! Go Cougars!
Represent Blew-USU on national TV. 31-16!
@DutchmanThere is no pac10 team, other than usc, that BYU would ever
consider a 2-1 with. And right at the bottom of the list would be utah. utah is
not the equivalent of BYU as a national draw, not even close, BYU's stadium is
about 50% larger than utah's and generates far more revenue than utah's, utah's
tv deal soes not guaranty that game the exposure BYU's tv deal gives it. In
short utah is in no position to even suggest the better half of a 2-1 with
BYU.Yes you have posted it about 10 times over the last few days but
you ought to talk to Chris Hill who would set you straight on this. Simply being
in the pac10 doesn't change which school is the bigger draw, with the bigger
fanbase, bigger stadium, etc.
Ignorant Cougars...The PAC-12 new TV deal starts next year.This year, ABC, Fox, ESPN, FSN, & VS will be choosing which games to
broadcast later in the year so the best games get on air. Which
game would more people across the nation watch on Oct 8: Utah vs Arizona State
or BYU vs San Jose State
Who put out the Troll Chow? There are so many negative vibes around here. Let's stay positive. I cannot wait for BYU Football to
start!!! And I can watch it down here in Texas!!! To show what
kind of pull BYU has, I have been to BYU/TCU games at TCU and a full 1/3 of the
stadium was filled with BYU fans. I don't think that happened when other Utah
teams came to play TCU. The Basketball games are even more so. Close to half
of the arena are BYU fans.Folks, that is BYU sports - strong and
well supported by there millions of fans in the USA and even more abroad. We
will put up great teams and BYU will earn even more respect.Thanks
you ESPN, BYU!
Attn: Muss ManYou seriously need to do alittle fact checking.....Yes BYU is guaranteed at least 3 televised games per year on ESPN, ESPN2
and ESPNU @ 1.3 million per game. ESPN will televise 7 and maybe an 8th game
this year = 9.1 - 10.4 million, and it is possible that the TCU game in Dallas
this year could have BYU bank more than 2 million.Also besides the
ESPN money BYU television (which is in 60 million homes) will start selling
aired commercial time for replayed games and games that are not televised by
ESPN, and think of all those BYU Basketball games that won't be televised on
ESPN that BYU TV will sell commercial time.Money Maker :) = BYUTV
@Rockwell"BYU will be building their national brand and
fighting for their 2nd national championship."Wow. A Cougar
fan calling the Utes, who have won 2 BCS games and been undefeated twice in the
past 6 years, unrealistic?Really?Here's how BYU fans are
going to ease the pain of failing to accomplish what their big brothers to the
North have, twice. Stop talking about the BCS. Talk about a national
championship instead to seem more nobel. If you can't finish step 1 of the
race, getting to a BCS game, you're certainly not getting to step 2!Baby steps my friend. Trying to not play in the Kraft Fights Hunger Bowl on
an annual basis would be a start.
@UtahUte 16You're right! The purpose of my post WAS to rebut your
argument. (And you did post on the topic more than once.)Your
implied argument was that BYU's nationally recognized program (success over many
years/decades on the football field) had little to do with the partnership with
ESPN. I don't think it's "twisting your words" when you obviously
imply ESPN could have formed said partnership with basically any university,
regardless of that school's history/background, as long as the profits were in
the picture. The PAC 12 analogy was merely to the argument U fans
use about the reasons for their invite. I didn't say TV vs. conference
affiliation was equal. It's a comparison. I was showing that you can't claim
partnership based on performance for the U's invite and not recognize the same
for BYU. That would be intellectually disingenuous, thus, "having your cake
and eating it too."Sorry if I caused you confusion and
Troll Hunter.Your example of ESPN to BYU TV commercial time sounds
like something off the Cartoon Network.BYU TV is limited in the types of
advertisers it can attract.
@DevilishUte, williaryIronically enough, I haven't heard a single U
fan come on these boards and talk about Utah winning a national
championship...it's the same ol' "we've won two BCS games while you haven't
even been to one" talk.I guess when you have yet to win a
national championship, you tend to set your sights a little low.But
good job with those two BCS wins...thus far it's gotten you on Versus and FSN
Regional once this year.Even Colorado's on TV more than
Carabou:The Oct 8 game, who else is playing that day in the pac10.2?
You are assuming that there is noone else in the pac worthy of broadcast, no
USC, Stanford, Oregon, Wash Ucla. I would be willing to bet the utah arz state
will not be on ABC or other, maybe verses.The pac will decide who
will be on the tv, not u.
DeepBlue.Many schools are on ESPN besides BYU. The world does not revolve
around Provo.Again I ask BYU fans out there. If the move to be independent
is not about money. Then why do you continue to talk about tv revenue and bowl
williary"the Utes, who have won 2 BCS games and been undefeated
twice in the past 6 years, unrealistic?"What's unrealistic is a
team that has two great seasons in a short span, thinking they've suddenly
become a national power. Face it, Utah's two BCS wins took a lot of luck. Utah
2004 didn't play anybody and Utah 2008 was lucky to get past Oregon State and
TCU and played a disinterested Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl.Even
during the greatest period in Utah history, the Utes couldn't string
back-to-back Top 15 finishes together.BYU has already done that
several times, including back-to-back Top 10 finishes in 1983 and 1984, and
back-to-back Top 15 finishes in 2006-2007.BYU(4) has almost as many
AP Top 25 finishes in the last five years, as Utah(5) has in their entire
NightOwlAmericaBYU has never said the move to independence wasn't at
all about money; what BYU has said is the most important reason for the move was
exposure.BYU has a national fan base that has pleaded with BYU for
years to provide better access to BYU sports. The Mtn and the MWC refused to
honor the original agreement to allow BYU to broadcast games that weren't shown
on the Mtn, and to rebroadcast games that the Mtn had rights to.The
only way for BYU to escape the limitations of the Mtn was to leave the MWC.As you said, lots of teams have games on ESPN, but only BYU has an
exclusive partnership with ESPN. As far as Utah is concerned, the ESPN world
does revolve around BYU because ESPN will be televising EVERY BYU game that ESPN
has rights to in 2011.The only BYU games ESPN won't be broadcasting
are one home game, that ESPN is contractually obligated to allow BYU to
broadcast on BYUtv and the Oregon State game. That's it. All TEN of BYU's other
games will be on ESPN.
@NightillAmerica"If the move to be independent is not about money.
Then why do you continue to talk about tv revenue and bowl payouts?"I read most Cougar fans touting their exposure on ESPN and not really
talking about the money. It's utah fans that keep bringing up money. BYU fans
are always going on about all the games they're getting on ESPN national TV
while Utah is getting zilch from the Pac 12.Before the move to
Independence, BYU was one of the handful of schools in the country that was
operating their Athletic Dept in the black. This past year BYU had maybe the
biggest athletic budget in the MWC (much bigger than Utah's) and had a healthy
surplus. This has been the case for several years, while the opposite has been
true for Utah. They were losing money for years inspite of their BCS success.
Oh my goodness? HAHAHAHA! Oh how I wish I would have been able to ask that panel
a few choice questions. Yeah, they better knock on a lot of doors because over
half of the current 2011 football schedule is as bad as it can get. And, 2012
will not be that much different. Idaho, New Mexico St. etc.........I can't
wait...... yawn. And, it is "possible" that BYU could lose their first
four games, not likely, but possible. Then, how popular will the WAC schools vs
BYU games be on ESPN? NOT!
CordonBleu11 games on ESPN networks. Don't forget the 2011 bowl game is
set. Also, note that not all of those games are ESPN, several are scheduled for
ESPN2, others may be on ESPNU (or perhaps ESPN3?). Still wonderful, but
technically not "ten games on ESPN."I would be pleased to
see less criticism of Utah's program from BYU fans. Their television schedule is
not yet finalized. Utah has had a very good program the last few years, no
reason to expect them to perform poorly in the long term despite the schedule
upgrade. The future of football in the state of Utah is very bright.
UU702 | 12:51 p.m. July 12, 2011 Layton, UT@starfarer"I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone heard it."Not entirely sure what you mean? This is more like "table for
one", "alone at the movies" kind of stuff.----Funny.
More Ute fans on this thread talking about BYU than there are on the U thread
talking about the PAC12 media guide.
I think this is a new experiment with BYU by ESPN and it will be very
interesting to see where the viewing numbers land after a couple years. BYU must
do something about their weak schedule.......it lacks entertainment value for
sure. I'm sure the ESPN boards will be quite active.......it will be something
to pay attention to for sure.
When does BYU announce the 4 tickets for the price of one during WAC play??Can't wait to thump on those WAC teams on a yearly basis!!
PAC 12 missed the obvious boat. BYU brings cold hard cash to the mix. 10 to 20
time as much as the Buffs or Utes. Not that the U and Colorado don't belong.
BYU athletic prowess in all sports in the MWC was vastly superior to the rest of
the conference. BYU had 147 overall conference championships while in the MWC.
The next closest was Utah with 41. With the Cougars on board the PAC 12 could
have been the #1 conference in the nation or maybe #2 to the SEC.Too
bad religious bigitry had to get in the way.With BYU streaming it
games around the world with their Network worthy abilities, things can only get
better. And with the talk of ESPN using their facilities to stream west coast
and late night games, BYU may be in for a 100 million dollar a year payday from
all the new revenue. Too bad that the MWC couldn't have stayed together. With
the addition of Boise state it could have been a monster situation.
"If the move to be independent is not about money. Then why do you continue
to talk about tv revenue and bowl payouts?"Money was not the
top priority, though it is always an important consideration for any major
college athletics department. Football is the sport that pays for everything
else and BYU does not use tithing dollars to fund its athletics programs so it
was important for Holmoe to get a TV deal that would bring in enough money but
the primary goal was always increased exposure and with 10 games on ESPN in
their first season of independence it appears that goal will be realized. The
revenue smack between Ute and BYU fans started when Utah got the PAC-12 invite
and Ute fans began boasting about all the money they would be making. BYU fans
began to fire back when the 8 year ESPN contract was announced. It is stupid and
I for one am really tired of it. While it is gratifying to know that the BYU
brand is so valuable and marketable to such a huge media empire as ESPN, it will
not translate into wins anymore then Utah's PAC-12 money will.
@Big PappyBYU has a fine athletic dept. without question. The PAC-12
picked Utah for two main reasons. It is a great research university and is
patterned closely in terms of academic curriculums. Plus, all PAC-12 members
have medical schools and prolific science depts. BYU does not and their
curriculum is vastly different than all PAC-12 schools. And, there are the
social issues that absolutely don't mesh with PAC-12 schools. BYU will be OK now
that they hustled a few deals.......no worries.
"ESPN will be televising EVERY BYU game that ESPN has rights to in
2011"Well, almost. ESPN has rights to the Idaho State game
because it is a BYU home game, but for obvious reasons they have chosen not to
pick up that one so it will be broadcast live on BYUtv. Oh well, 6 out 7 home
games broadcast on ESPN, with the majority on ESPN and ESPN2, plus an additional
neutral site game at the Jerry Dome on ESPN isn't too shabby for their first
year of independence!
It appears Jimmer U. is Quarterback U. again.
What is the big news about BYU needing to go undefeated to go to a BCS bowl?
That's been the case for Utah, BYU, etc. I could care less about a
Conference Championship. It's not motivation for most fans. Who really cared who
won the Mountain West... only what came next. Last year BYU lost -- got creamed
-- by Air Force and everyone knew they had no chance to win a conf.
Championship, but that didn't stop the fans from watching. Not one bit.And playing San Jose State vs. Wyoming? or New Mexico vs. New Mexico State...
no difference. I'll only miss playing Air Force.Just get the fall
camp started and the count down begins for real football. In late August I'll
turn to my wife and say, "Dear, any last words before football season
Happy independence Day! This is big for any school. BYU got out of the MWC, they
get their exposure. It's what they wanted. Some want fame, some want wealth. My
team got what it wanted and so did my rival. Good year for football
on the wasatch front.
The whole reason BYU and UTah left the MWC was two fold. 1) exposure and 2)
money. BYU will probably end up getting more exposure with 7-10 nationally
televised games (even if it is on Friday nights). Utah will get 2-3 on Saturday
when everyone else is playing and the game will probably only show to a regional
crowd (and they have to win a lot to merit additional games). As far as
money goes (for now) Utah has the better offer. But in all reality both BYU and
Utah are thrilled with the new contracts.BYU needs to take advantage
of this opportunity!!
Hey Bronco...If your team can't execute a simple field goal blocking
scheme... you're not the best team on the field.
@mgr63"BYU must do something about their weak schedule"Why? This is the schedule that was set up in conjunction with ESPN. ESPN
worked out most of those games. In past BCS Bowl years Utah rarely played BCS
schools, at the most 1-2 a year. It didn't seem to hurt them at all playing a
cream puff schedule.I'm sure BYU AD Tom Holmoe loses sleep at night
worrying about what mgr63 thinks about his football schedule and all but in
reality, BYU is working out their schedule in unison with ESPN and the fact that
they've announced 10 games plus the bowl game on ESPN means they've hit a grand
slam their first year out of the gate.I'm sher yer a whole
wheelbarrow load smarter than dem der folks up'n Bristol and sher nuff sooner
then later dem all will be calling you all to git yer 2 cents werth on the whole
deal. But, until then there's no need getting your panties in a wad giving
yourself ulcers stressing about BYU. Remember..."Obviously, if
you do what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a
part. Magic Happens."
mgr63"The PAC-12 picked Utah for two main reasons. It is a
great research university and is patterned closely in terms of academic
curriculums."And the main reason BYU wasn't picked was
religious bigotry.Bottom line, as much as Utah fans like to pretend
that Utah's BCS wins were a difference maker, the real reason Utah is in the PAC
12, instead of BYU, has absolutely nothing to do with athletics. BYU dwarfs Utah
in overall athletic success and size of fanbase, which are the driving forces
behind television contracts.
Floyd Johnson I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. The difference between
ESPN and ESPN2 is negligible and seven of BYU's games are already scheduled for
ESPN or ESPN2, as well as BYU's bowl game. That only leaves three ESPN games to
be played on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU, which will probably be based on how BYU's season
progresses. Replays of BYU's games will be available on ESPN3 and BYUtv, but
none of BYU's games will be broadcast only on ESPN3.
@cordonblueWithout getting into a battle here...........BYU just
does not fit in with every BCS conference.......or they would have at least
received a call back, don't you think?
@cordonbleuUtah was invited to the PAC-12, rightfully so. It is a
fantastic school with a diversified curriculum, great post grad schools and is
neutral on social issues like all schools in the PAC-12. Their football team has
been very successful in recent years and I believe that was also a small factor
in the PAC -12's decision making process. And, I'm very happy to have attended
there for part of my college education and am even more thrilled that the state
of Utah is now represented in the big time by the University of Utah. GO UTES!
as a byu fan I want utah to win every game they play, except the holy war! why
would anyone want utah to fail? we are not in the same conference as them
anymore so I hope they represent, and I think they will. go Byu!
Hedgehog.This website is littered with posts from BYU fans boasting about
tv and bowl revenues.
@nightowlamericaThe D News is a Mormon publication and we are on
their turf. I don't mind all the ridiculous comments that BYU fans make. I think
it is hilarious.
CordonBleu.The only thing exclusive about the ESPN deal is that it
pays less than other TV contracts. Yawn about most of the BYU games on the ESPN
family of networks. Vanderbilt makes $18 million a year off ESPN & CBS a
year.I would rather watch the newly scheduled LSU vs Washington game on
Saturday night. Thank you ESPN!
Ute fans who believe their team has ANY chance at a BCS bowl in the next few
years are dilussional.Why?What's your winning percentage
AT Pac-10 schools over the past 10 years?That's what I thought.
Dismal road record there.You have THAT hump to get over before you
can have ANY credibility with the comments you make on BYU articles.I doubt you'll make more than a lowest-tier bowl game this upcoming season, if
that. I suspect you'll have difficulty getting a winning record.Of
course, BYU will help you to that end with one of your losses on September 17th.
What's the big deal about conference affiliation? Just being in a non-AQ
conference doesn't guarantee a BCS game. Non-AQ teams still have to go
undefeated, same as BYU as an independent.No one's going to remember
that a team finished 1st or 2nd in their conference if they didn't play in a BCS
bowl game.And, few will remember any team that didn't win the
national championship. And even fewer will remember who that champ beat.For ALL college football teams, there's really only one thing to shoot
for: BEING the national champ.BYU as an independent has as good a
chance at that as MOST all other college football teams, BCS or otherwise.Only a few BCS schools have the edge over BYU because of history. And,
that's as it should be.
I think everyone's comments are funny. People on both sides are acting like they
already know the future but this is what I say, nobody knows what's going to
happen so let's just sit back and wait for the season. One side will be eating
their words while the other side will be enjoying themselves. I can't wait to
see what'll happen but to be honest with you, I would rather have ESPN coverage.
Who wants to be on Versus anyway? That's just second string college football TV
to ESPN. Even if we don't win every game, at least we'll be out there and BYU
fans everywhere can see the games. Go Cougs!!!!!
@whatsinitformeWe Utes feel grateful for our invite to the
PAC-12.....a feeling that you don't have at BYU. Utah has had 2 perfect seasons
in the last few years and creamed our opponents in the BCS bowl games. Utah will
now be getting even better recruits......so, we're feeling OK about our chances
and hoping for the best. The thing you need ask yourself is BYU ever going to be
relevant in college football again? Why don't you have an undefeated season in
this century, a BCS bowl or two under your belt and then get back to
us.......sound fair? Your annual boastful t-shirts and return to glory campaigns
are laughable??????? Peter can only cry "wolf" so many times before
the villagers don't come.......true? I am sure glad that we Utes don't have to
resort to annual self-professed greatness shirts and posters......we just try to
win and do. Go Utes!
NightOwlAmerica"The only thing exclusive about the ESPN deal is
that it pays less than other TV contracts."Yawn...You left out the most thing about BYU's ESPN deal... it created an
official partnership between BYU and the worldwide leader in sports. Regardless of how much money BYU is getting paid, and the truth is, you don't
have a clue how much that really is, the media exposure and influence BYU will
receive through ESPN in scheduling nationally intriguing matchups, far exceeds
anything Utah fans could imagine in their wildest dreams.Utah did
well in associated themselves with a major conference, but with that
association, Utah is now completely at the mercy of the PAC 12 to chart Utah's
UteBusters.Utah might be at the mercy of the PAC.But BYU is at
the mercy of the WAC! They can have that exclusive.ESPN has official
partnerships other than BYU that pay out more money.
10 BYU football games this season on the worldwide leader in sports, couldnt be
much sweeter then that! Not too mention all the national exposure the basketball
team will get as well playing on the worldwide leader in sports. BYU looks
smarter each day by going independent!Go Cougars!!!
@mgr63 "Utah will now be getting even better recruits"(yawn) So will BYU."The thing you need ask yourself is BYU
ever going to be relevant in college football again?"I'll let
Dave Brown, Vice President of Programming for ESPN, answer that question for
you:I think that for me, when everything came together last summer, I just
said games like that (the Oklahoma game) are what really separates BYU from
everybody else. Our schedule was lacking because we didnt have BYU on, and now
moving forward theyll just be a big, big part of our lineup and thats going to
be great for us...BYU is a great brand and we know theyre always going to be
successful and we certainly look forward to a long way past 2020."Seeing that ESPN backed that up with putting 10 of our games on their networks
this year says that yeah, BYU's definitely very relevant in the college football
world.But congratulations, those two perfect seasons and two BCS
wins have gotten U a game on Versus against USC this year...woohoo!Compared to CU, who plays the Trojans on ESPN2.Ouch.Go
@NightOwlAmerica "ESPN has official partnerships other than BYU that pay
out more money."Mind listing those official partnerships?
Texas is receiving 15 million a year for their TV deal, curiously close to the
12-15 million a year that BYU will be making.But really, who cares?
In the end, it's all about exposure for BYU, which they will be receiving.
Mission accomplished.Both BYU and Utah fans should be happy, since
both have gotten what they wanted. For Utah, it's a BCS conference and money.
For BYU, it's ESPN and exposure.I know I like to poke fun at all Ute
fans (smack talk is part of what makes this rivalry so great) but I do wish the
Utes success in their endeavors in the PAC 12. It's an exciting
time for football in the great state of Utah.Let's go get 'em.Go Cougars!
WhatsInItForMe.LOL!!!What exactly is the Armed Forces
Bowl? A lower tier bowl that BYU signed a contract with.
I read these comments with feelings of nausea. Back & forth, back &
forth.No one has even punted a football and yet many have it all
figured out! With Utah it's all talk, Let's let them walk the walk. Until then
it is all speculation. For me, I don't care what league they are in or who they
play or don't play. They are still just the U to me. Nothing they say or do will
make any difference to me. I just really love the Y.As to why BYU
chose this time to go independent......duh, have you seen their new television
building on campus. It's state of the art, nothing like it west of the
Mississippi. It's about reaching millions of BYU fans around the world who still
show a great interest in BYU, its sports' program, and everything thing else
that is BYU. And what an audience that will be! The rest of you
don't have to watch them on ESPN nor comment. That would be fine with me. Go
play your own game.I watched BYU media day today and enjoyed every
minute of it.Go Cougars!
@mgr63 You recently said this on a different article (among other
things, it was a solid comment :): "Yes, I despise BYU and what it stands
for, but I would rather come into your arena and debate than join a crowd that
needlessly, ruthlessly attacks you people. Fair enough folks? Cheers!"The only question I would have based on this comment "Yes, I
despise BYU and what it stands for" is, why?
Nice try trucoug1.The contract with Texas is for 20 years. How long is the
agreement with BYU?SEC contract is also big bucks.
Not only will ESPN be broadcasting TEN BYU games, ESPN announced today that
BYU's first EIGHT games next season will also be broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2.
@truecoug1I appreciate your question and sincerity. You seem like a
good person as is my best friend of 25 years who is a bishop in the LDS Church.
Believe it or not, I have a gazillion Mormon friends......the moderate ones of
Wow no pressure. Lose one game and your playing for next year. And when the
players pack it in after a loss or two they will be doing it every Thursday or
Friday night in front of an amused national audience.
@NightOwlAmerica "The contract with Texas is for 20 years. How long is the
agreement with BYU?SEC contract is also big bucks."I
understand that Texas' contract is for 20 years and ours is for 8...but my
understanding is we were talking about money/deals worth more. And if you break
it down year by year, the Cougs and Longhorns are making about the same.However, I will grant you that over 20 years, the Longhorns are looking to
make around 300 million while over 8 the Cougs are looking at 100-120 million.
But that's good company to be in with :)SEC deal is great, but
that's for a specific conference, not one team (like BYU)...I'm pretty sure if
Mississippi St. or Vandy went independent, they wouldn't be getting an exclusive
ESPN contract.So again, would you mind listing the ESPN deals that
are worth more than BYU's?
@Flames6BYU will lose more than 2 games every year...........but
they will continue to invent new NC t-shirt slogans without fail.
@truecoug1Who's to say that ESPN will honor that 8 year commitment
buddy? They may opt out of the contract my friend? I am really not convinced
that BYU will pull the necessary viewing #s. There is a ton of contempt for BYU
out there in America as you know and the quality of their schedule is dismal for
over half of their games..........hmmmmmmm?
Rockwell,While PAC 12 schools may not fit the big name category BYU
demands in order to qualify for a 2 for 1, the fact is BYU wants and needs games
with PAC 12 schools because their recruiting emphasis will always be in the PAC
12 foot print. And fans would rather see Oregon in Provo rather than San Jose
State even if it is one time vs going to Eugene twice.Duckhunter,All I am saying is that when BYU starts cutting 2 for 1 deals with any
PAC 12 schools Chris Hill is going to be under tremendous pressure by the fans
and boosters to get the same treatment for Utah. Even though BYU has a larger
stadium now (Utah will probably match it or exceed it soon) I would venture a
guess that the revenue generated by a sold out RES exceeds that of LaVelle
Edwards Stadium because of the ticket pricing, Utah's being much higher.
WOW!!! Everybody pipe down. I listened to Hans and the 1280 the Zone fawn over
BYU media day ad nauseam yesterday. Countless references to ESPN, partnership,
undefeated, pressure, media center costs, worldwide audiences, Independence
better than being the PAC-12 whipping post, yada, yada, yada!!ENOUGH!!! Put the helmet and pads on and lets get to knockin serious head.
Well reconvene 4 or 5 games into the season after these two schools start on
their new adventures and we can start our smack anew. At least it will be based
on real time Football data because thats really what it is all about, hittin and
Lots of petty jealousy from the folks on the hill. I guess that should be
expected when the rival you supposedly left behind has10 games
scheduled on ESPNand you're stuck with a measly1 game,
courtesy of your rivalIf you've really "moved on", why are
you still here?
Dutchman You're wasting you breath arguing that BYU will ever agree
to a 2-for-1 deal with Utah. BYU fans would never tolerate it and Utah adds
nothing to BYU's schedule that BYU can't get from countless other teams.As much as Utah fans would like to pretend it isn't so, the rivalry is
much more important to the Utah fanbase than it is to the BYU fanbase.
@TrueBlueI agree with you on the 2-for-1 deal with Utah. There is no
way that will ever happen. If the heads of the people on the hill at Utah ever
got that big that they would dare to ask for 2-for-1 deals to continue the
rivalry then I am sure BYU would walk away from the rivalry. As a fan I would
never accept that and would boycott the game if BYU ever agreed to it. Having
said that, I think it is wrong for BYU to ask for the same thing with Utah
State. Bronco said he would like to see the Utah State series continued as a
2-for-1 and I am really disappointed in him for saying that. BYU should treat
USU as equals. I know the record over the last 30 years doesnt support that, but
they are an in-state school that shares a long history with BYU, and they stuck
their necks out for BYU when they were trying to go independent in football and
join the WAC in all other sports. For BYU to turn around and make them play
2-for-1's makes me feel ashamed.
Go undefeated and win a National Championship? Why didn't Utah, BSU, and TCU
think of that?
TrueBlue,You state that Utah adds nothing to BYU's schedule and that
the game is much more important to the Utah fanbase (Even though you are the
guys with a schedule to fill). That is the attitude that I find among most BYU
fans to the point that I can hardly speak to any BYU fans in my LDS ward
anymore. Duckhunter stated some time ago that he could live without the game.
I agree with Duckhunter and you, let's just cancel the series between BYU and
Utah altogether. We are going in different directions and there is no sense in
trying to keep it together. Then maybe I can feel welcome in my ward again.
BYU go undefeated ever again.........never! They did it once in 1984 against a
Mickey Mouse collection of competition. The worst team that Bo coached in his
tenure at Michigan to seal a bogus NC. They do NOT have the team speed on
defense to play in the national spotlight. Plus, they always have emotional
let-down games.......as evidenced by their world-classless performance at lowly
Utah St and was absolutely hammered buy TCU and FSU at home last year. That, in
and of it self, speaks volumes........doesn't it? All the cougs could do was egg
the D-coordinator's car in his driveway at night after they were
brutalized.....Klassy indeed......with a capital "K."
@DutchmanIt is too bad you dont feel welcome in your ward. I live
just a few miles from you and my ward is split pretty evenly between BYU and
Utah fans, and we all get along just fine. We rib and jab each other all the
time but it never gets personal, and is all in good fun. How are BYU
and Utah "going in different directions"? There is that Ute fan
arrogance coming out again, and yet you complain about BYU fan arrogance? Pot
meet kettle! Sure, Utah is going to the PAC-12 and BYU is going independent, but
both programs are going in a positive direction, and they are both pretty equal
right now. The head to head record over the last two decades is dead even, so
for Ute fans to claim they have outgrown the rivalry is nothing more than hot
air. You will find out on Sep. 17 just how untrue that really is.
@mgr63"BYU just does not fit in with every BCS conference.......or
they would have at least received a call back, don't you think?"Its been reported in numerous venues that the Big East contacted BYU about
joining the BE for football only. Because it wasn't a good fit for them, BYU
administrators declined up front. Apparently they felt that the course they're
on with Independence is a better fit for what matters to them most.To put this in the proper light, we all know how bad the Big East is in
football and how easy it would be for BYU to get to a BCS Bowl game every year
if they were in that conference (most years the BE champ is a 5 loss team). If
BYU were in the BE for football they'd go to 10 BCS games before Utah ever
returned to another from the Pac 12. Yet....easier access to the BCS
wasn't the priority. Apparently they've found a higher purpose in going
Independent. The Big 12 doesn't come due for a new TV deal until 2014 and won't
be considering expansion until then. We'll have to wait to see what happens
RepresentBlue,I did not mean to imply in my comment that
"different directions" meant that one direction was better than the
other. Actually, I agree with you that both are headed in positive directions.
But I find that the BYU fans that I encounter now feel superior again with the
direction of their program although they didn't feel that way one year ago. The
"better than thou" syndrome is out in force and I would like to see
the series end. I have a leader in my ward who absolutely hates and I mean
hates the U even though he was a leader there in one of the student wards and
admits that the kids he encountered were great. But he has to make it a point
to tell me whenever he sees me how much he hates the U. This would be a petty
complaint from me if he were the only one but unfortunately he is not. I wish
there were a way to bring both sides closer together but seeing none I suggest
we end the rivalry.
@mgr63"We Utes feel grateful for our invite to the PAC-12.....a
feeling that you don't have at BYU."is that feeling kind of a
sinking feeling? The one you get when you find out too late that the grass isn't
really greener on the other side of the fence but it's too late to jump back?Yes, I'm sure everyone's experienced something similar during their
lives. "Utah will now be getting even better recruits"First recruiting class in process isn't remarkable or any better than
usual. When is this amazing recruiting going to kick in? If you want the answer
to that question, just ask some Washington State fans how amazing their
recruiting is being in the Pac 12."Why don't you have an
undefeated season in this century"First off, this century is
just over 10 yrs old and it took you over 100 yrs just to get your first. My
question to you is, if you've had 2 undefeated seasons in the past 10 yrs, why
haven't you won the National Championship? BYU has. Why don't you
managed to do better than finishing 2nd place or 4th place and then get back to
mgr63"[BYU] was absolutely hammered buy TCU... at home last
year"Actually it was UTAH! that was absolutely hammered by TCU
at home last year, outscored 20-0 in the first quarter, and not scoring at all
until the fourth quarter; final 7-47.BYU was actually in the game AT
TCU down only 3-0 until very late in the first half when TCU scored a couple of
quick TDs. BYU was still only down a couple of TDs at 3-17 midway through the
4th quarter; final 3-31.As embarrassing as BYU first loss to Utah
State in the last 17 games was, it doesn't come close to Utah's humiliating 0-27
shutout at UNLV(2-10).BYU hasn't been shutout by anybody on the road
since the 70's.
@nightIllamerica"Vanderbilt makes $18 million a year off ESPN &
CBS a year."So what you're saying is it took an SEC school 2
major TV network contracts to equal what BYU has with ESPN? Remember, BYU's deal
with ESPN is open ended. BYU will get paid for 10 games (plus a bowl game)
inaddition to revenues they can derive from re-broadcasting games on BYUtv.Comparing apples to oranges, it took the collective might of some major
football powerhouses like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc
working together to get that $18 million deal that you mentioned for Vandy.BYU alone walked in and got 10 games on national TV (by themselves) and
will likely get very close to that figure when it's all said and done (remember,
ESPN paid BYU around $4-4.5 million for them to play Oklahoma in 2009). This galls you and mgr63, doesn't it? Look at the bright side, you're
now in a new conference so you shouldn't have to deal with those feelings
anymore, unless you choose to subject yourself to it by obsessively reading BYU
articles on DN and, like a moth is drawn to flame, compulsively commenting on
@nightIllamerica"What exactly is the Armed Forces Bowl? A lower tier
bowl that BYU signed a contract with."Armed Forces Bowl is a
better bowl game than the ones you'll likely go to, IF you can manage to win 6
games. Pac 12 bowls this year for lower tier teams will be the New Mexico Bowl,
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and if you can manage to win 8-9 games, the Las Vegas
Bowl.Hoohooooooo.....you traded 2 undefeated BCS seasons in an easy
conference (MWC) for the chance to fight to MAYBE get to go to the New Mexico
Bowl once every few years.Have you guys lost your marbles?!? You
traded away a legit chance to go to a BCS bowl game nearly every year in the MWC
(or at least be in the conversation) for the chance to become the new Washington
State and MAYBE go once or twice every 50 yrs or so?No matter what
delusions of grandeur Ute fans have, the history of teams in the Pac 12 not
named USC, UCLA, or Stanford, etc is a pretty dismal.
@DutchmanI agree that is inappropriate behavior. Hate is a strong
ward that really does not have much place in the church. I would urge you to
talk to this person and tell them how you feel. Some people are just clueless
and it is possible he does not even realize he is being offensive. As far as
letting the rivalry end, maybe you are right and it should end, but I doubt it
is even possible. Even if the both schools stopped playing each other there
would still be a rivalry between Ute fans and BYU fans because of the geographic
proximity and the cultural and historical ties between the two schools. Ute fans
and BYU fans would continue to bicker and talk smack about which team is better,
but having an annual game at least gives the two teams a chance to prove it on
the field. For the last 20 years that has proven that the two teams are pretty
equal. Maybe the Utes will begin to pull ahead now that they are in a BCS
conference, but then again maybe BYU will keep pace now that they are playing in
front of a national audience.
RepresentBlue,Thanks for the suggestion. I have been thinking of
doing just that. I just hope that BYU never agrees to do a 2 for 1 deal with
any PAC 12 school because I can tell you there will be a lot of bitterness in
both fan bases. Utah fans demanding the same type of deal and BYU fans
rightfully incensed by it. Such a move would probably tear the rivalry apart.
I would implore all BYU fans to send an email or letter to AD Holmoe telling him
not to consider any 2 for 1's with any PAC 12 schools. Hopefully it is not too
@mgr63"Who's to say that ESPN will honor that 8 year commitment
buddy? They may opt out of the contract my friend?"who's to say
that the Pac 10.2 won't decide to drop the .2 part and go back to being the Pac
10 and uninvite Utah and Colorado? Hmmmmm..........????"I am
really not convinced that BYU will pull the necessary viewing #s."Yes, and I'm sure that the dumb people at ESPN are losing sleep at night
worrying about what you think. Meanwhile the ratings that the BYU/Oklahoma game
pulled in 2009 was one of the best for ESPN in the past 10 yrs. "They did it once in 1984 against a Mickey Mouse collection of
competition. The worst team that Bo coached in his tenure at Michigan to seal a
bogus NC."And Utah went undefeated in 2004 and 2008 against a
mostly cream puff schedule playing very few BCS opponents. in 08 they needed OT
to beat the WORST Michigan team in over 100 yrs and needed to missed chip shot
FG's by a freshman kicker to squeak by TCU after TCU dominated them all game
long. Yet, Utah STILL couldn't win a NC.
@Dutchman"I would implore all BYU fans to send an email or letter to
AD Holmoe telling him not to consider any 2 for 1's with any PAC 12
schools."Tom Holmoe has been quoted saying that he'd never
agree to doing a 2 for 1 wiht Utah. He said he didn't feel it was in their best
interests to do so. He's also stated that their are only a few programs that
they would consider doing a 2 for 1 with. Judging by the deals we do have
committed to it looks like he intends only schools that have long traditions of
success like Texas and Notre Dame. 2 for 1's and Home-away-neutral
are different entirely. with the latter both teams are on equal footing and
stand to benefit the same from them. They each get a home game and the 3rd is
played in a marquee venue which will be promoted like crazy by ESPN and other
major sports media outlets to maximize the buzz. Those games to me are a win-win
for both schools. For the players it's like a mini-bowl game during the season.
Definitely something to get up for.
Here's what CBSsports.com's Brett McMurphy said about BYU's going independent
and their deal with ESPN:"By being on national television
virtually every week, BYU could quickly become Notre Dame West or even a much
smaller version of the New York Yankees well, if the Yankees had an honor
code."A ton of fans hate Notre Dame and a ton of fans love
them. Same for the Yankees. But the bottom line is they have the horsepower to
move the needle. That's pretty good company to be compared to. We
all saw the impact that ESPN can have when your program and it's athletes become
nightly fixtures on Sportscenter and the national buzz that can generate. They
took a very good college basketball player to legendary Rock Star status and
made him a lottery pick (when previously he wasn't even thought to be worth a
1st round pick). I have no doubts ESPN will have the same impact on BYU's
football team and with players like Jake Heaps, Ross Apo, Cody Hoffman, Juice Q,
Uone Kaveinga, etc.I'm happy Utah got what they wanted and I'm
tickled for what's on the horizon for BYU. Win-win for both programs.
BigCougar,Hopefully you are correct but the minute a 2 for 1 deal is
struck with the likes of Washington State, Washington, Oregon, Arizona or any
other PAC 12 school for that matter the prospects of continuing the rivalry game
with Utah will dim considerably. I know you don't really care if it does and
neither do I. Let it die if need be.
Memo to BYU fans:Please restrain yourselves about alledged rumors of
past conference invites. It's getting old. Until you actually get invited to a
real BCS conference, keep talking about the independent route in front of you.
Re: UtahUte16 | 11:19 a.m. July 12, 2011 "viewers=$"re: Floyd Johnson | 12:19 p.m. July 12, 2011 "A cost
per viewer ratio may more accurately represent their interest"Re: MenaceToSociety | 12:45 p.m. July 12, 2011 "Yes, there is
a reason, Bronco. They need programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3.
Enjoy!"Agreed with all. BYU's brand name & national fanbase
will probably mean more viewers on a Friday night than Southern Mississippi vs
Memphis for example.
@ Game For Any Fuss;In a Saturday evening dinner I had in my home
with President Samuelson, three years before independence occurred, he mentioned
that there was one thing that kept BYU AND Utah from pulling out of the MWC. A
handshake agreement!He and President Young mutually agreed that it
was in the best interest of both universities and the conference to do their
best to build the conference. He told me this was a handshake agreement and
would be in place until one or the other school wanted to break the deal because
they needed too. The other school would be free to do whatever it wanted
afterward.As everyone knows Utah pulled out because of their invite
to the Pac 10. BYU choose to go independent. Many will call me a liar and that I
don't know what I'm talking about. I believe President Samuelson spoke the truth
and responded with honor.It would be great if all Utah and BYU fans
would accept the truth as it is. BYU was not the first to leave the MWC. That
was Utah. Pure and simple.Go Utes! Go Cougars!
re: Commontater | 5:13 p.m. July 13, 2011 "It would be great if
all Utah and BYU fans would accept the truth as it is. BYU was not the first to
leave the MWC. That was Utah. Pure and simple."Personally, it
really doesn't matter who defected first. Its a great opportunity for both. It
will be interesting to see who benefits the most in the long run.**IF** the PAC eventually adds UT-Austin, OU, OK St, & Texas Tech then the
advantage could belong to the U.
"**IF** the PAC eventually adds UT-Austin, OU, OK St, & Texas Tech then
the advantage could belong to the U."Wally,I thought BYU
fans were the delusional ones....
@DutchmanI don't know what got you on this kick but BYU would never
even consider having 2-1 deals with the likes of washington st., utah, or any of
the other dregs of the pac10. There is one team in the pac10 that they might
consider scheduling a 2-1 and that would be usc. Other than that there is not a
school in the pac10 that in anyway is a bigger national draw or a bigger
national name than BYU, not a single one. You ute fans keep folling
yourselves that somehow all of these pac10 schools are these national teams and
nothing can be further from the truth. None of them, other than usc, has ever
sustained any longterm success. They rise for a short while and then fall back
to Earth for a longer while. That has how it has always been. We can deabte why
that is but the fact is that it is.You can stop worrying yourself
about it, it will never happen.
Duckhunter"there is not a school in the pac10 that in anyway is
a bigger national draw or a bigger national name than BYU, not a single
one."I couldn't agree more...Besides USC, the last
PAC 12 team to win a concensus national championship (#1 in both the AP and
Coaches polls) was...NOBODY! USC is the only team in the
PAC 12 that has ever won a concensus national championship.
re: Cougars1 | 6:09 p.m. July 13, 2011 Do you not understand
hypotheticals?I'd bet any & all graduates/students/fans of a
research institution could, can, & do. And if you are not down
re: BigCougar | 12:17 p.m. July 13, 2011 "Armed Forces Bowl is
a better bowl game than the ones you'll likely go to, IF you can manage to win 6
games. Pac 12 bowls this year for lower tier teams will be the New Mexico Bowl,
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and if you can manage to win 8-9 games, the Las Vegas
Bowl."When the Utes win 10 & they are off to the Holiday
Bowl; what will cougar nation think?I'd bet the U is back in San
Diego in Dec long before byu.
@hank pym"When the Utes win 10 & they are off to the
Holiday Bowl; what will cougar nation think?"We'll think
"well let's see, we only did that about 10 times, the 1st one over 30 years
ago, it's about time utah, LOL!"Other than that we won't think
much about it at all.
@Howard S. | 8:39 p.m"Hey Bronco...If your team can't execute a
simple field goal blocking scheme... you're not the best team on the
field"Well Howard, since you want to be childish:Hey
Kyle....If you team can't defend the pass...and Harline is still open....you're
not the best team on the field.Well golly, we could go back and
forth on this all day. I can't remember Utah winning every game they played
against BYU. Pull your head out, some you win and some you lose. Get a life.
Comparing one season to the next is childish, what happened in the past doesn't
mean anything. What happens this season is all that matters. GO BYU and good
luck Utah, you got a sweet deal so do something about it. Hopefully we will have
@Hank PymI'd say that if the Utes could win 10 games and go to the Holiday
Bowl they had an amazing season. I don't think the 2008 team could've won 10
games that year if they had been playing in the Pac 10. The Holiday Bowl this
season would be the absolute best a Ute fan with any sense could hope and dream
for.Phil Steele says he expects BYU to win double digit games this
year. As for Utah, he doesn't even project them going to a bowl game and has
them finishing 4th in the South Division behind USC, ASU, UCLA.It
would be disastrous for the Utes to get off to a bad start in their new
conference. Things could snowball out of control. If you remember, it was only a
few years ago that Ute fans were calling for Kyle's ouster. I wonder how many
bad years Kyle will get in the Pac 10.2 before disgruntled fans start chirping
I am under no illusions that it won't be tough for BYU going forward. On the
other hand, the freedom, ownership, and exposure are worth it. We now have
independence, no safety net, and we can chart our own path. I wouldn't trade
what we have for anything. Knowing that you have no safety net, are only
playing for a national title and having a reasonably tough schedule helps
prevent complacency and keeps you on your toes, which is healthy. Having the
exposure means that I can watch every game down here in Arizona. I am pumped
for this next year. Rise all loyal cougars!
re: Duckhunter | 8:48 p.m. July 13, 2011 Ahh, Ducky! Did I hit a
nerve? Because, The U will going bowlinf in SD before the y does. And when it
does, will hear all manner of nothing of how playing in Shreveport is superior
to playing in SD. re: BigCougar | 3:47 a.m. July 14, 2011 Really, 4th behind UCLA & Az St? UCLA is train wreck waiting to happen w/
Neuhesiel at the helm. What do the Sun Devils have beside Cheerleaders w/ bad
decision making skills? Utes in 2011 IMO win 8, (3rd behind USC
& UAz), and a Dec visit to San Diego.... The Poinsettia Bowl for now.*If not when* byu receives an invite to the Big12 then *maybe* the U
& kittens will meet in the Alamo Bowl