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  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    The train is leaving the station. Time to get onboard boys. If it is not obvious to you to see what ESPN sees you should schedule an eye appointment immediately. No question the 2 for 1 is a concern, but time will prove this is only temporary. BYU has the facilities, resources, and the exposure to overcome these temporary and minor obstacles.

    BYU will be considered a top 10 program within the next 5 years.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 12, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    ESPN was as high on BYU during the first session of Media Day as BYU is on ESPN. This is going to be a great partnership.

    The number of eyeballs that will see BYU play football in September and October will eclipse the number that got to see them on The MTN by 100 to 1 or maybe more. The spotlight is clearly on BYU. If they perform well, the spotlight will only get brighter.

    Bronco is not only a great coach; but a great spokesman for the church, the university and the principles we believe. He never lets issues like the Honor Code get cast in a negative light. H

    His comment about the linebackers was hilarious. It's no wonder he has such a good relationship with his players.

    Bronco on defensive and Brandon on offense is an exciting combination. I think we'll see an aggressive team this Fall. Go Cougs!

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    July 12, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    BYU is definitely on the right track. I like everything that is happening.

    As far as the 2-for-1, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If BYU has extra road games at Texas, UCLA, Florida State, or Ohio State, that's actually a great thing for recruiting to be showcasing the team in those hotbeds. And, it's nice for us Cougar fans outside of Utah to have a chance to cheer the Cougs on in person.

    Go Cougars!

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    When it comes down to it, all ESPN cares about is how many viewers they get.

    viewers=$

    BYU has a large demographic across the nation, and after BYU decided to go independent, ESPN decided to take that opportunity. Let's be honest here, if ESPN signed contracts on the merits of only being a 'respected program', then they wouldn't be very successful. ESPN cares about viewership, and viewership only. BYU brings this to the table. There are a lot of Mormon (some non-Mormon) fans across the nation. Fans like to watch them, whether they be rooting for or against them. All that matters is that they are watching.

    ESPN is no respecter of programs, the hall of fame is what that is for. ESPN is a business, and they saw a good business opportunity and took it. Let's not twist it and say it's due to certain factors beyond money and marketing.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Ute16;
    One little thing you ran around a bit but diddn't quite nail down. ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national brand. How is this not being a respector of programs / institutions. How many of the BCS schools could stand on their own merits and land an independent ESPN contract. Probably only one or two of the top schools in each BCS conference. Any business respects those who bring them success. They respect them by partnering with them to sell their product and both benefit.
    This is a pretty weak attempt to rain on the parade. One drop doesn't do much to a parade.

  • Game For Any Fuss Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    The real question is, if BYU is so much better off now in independence, why didn't Holmoe and company go independent sooner, before Utah left the MWC?

    No, I'm not just talking trash. I'm genuinely curious to know why. I'm sure there has to be good reason(s) why BYU didn't make this move sooner.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 12, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone heard it.

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    @ Bottom Line

    "BYU will be considered a top 10 program within the next 5 years." Whggff...gulp. Gosh darn it, I just choked on my corn flakes after reading that. Oh my. I knew some Cougar fans were a bit delirious, but I had no idea it had gotten this bad. What's the air quality like in Utah County? Oh...man (chuckling).....Ok, if you guys says so. That's the best laugh I've had in weeks.

    Earth to Cougar fans. I'm a realists. You have a great TV contract. It will help you recruit, that I will give you. Even though (for now) you will be the Thursday & Friday night darlings of College Football, I give you props. But I will go on record here, in front of all of these witnesses, and venture that BYU will never be a top 10 Program within the next 20 years, oh darn, I'll say never. When you can recruit with the likes of Alabama, Florida, and Texas, then maybe you have a shot. But that is just plain ridiculous on any level to make a statement like that.

    I'm still chuckling. I'll even throw in a Ducky LOL.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    To hear Coug fans tell it, BYU is the ONLY college team on ESPN.
    That's probably true for Friday nights on ESPNx.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 12, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Go Cougars! All great news coming out of Provo! It's great so see ESPN by so many games on the TV broadcasting schedule.

  • exmo4byu Kansas City, MO
    July 12, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    I was particularly surprised by the comments from Dave Brown (ESPN VP) that clearly shows ESPN plans to market BYU as highly as they market the SEC. That's a phenomenal statement and shows what ESPN believes the BYU brand can do.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 12, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    TJ
    Ute16 is correct. Viewership trumps all. A cost per viewer ratio may more accurately represent their interest, but number of viewers is the most significant issue in either post. Being successful and having a national brand all add up to viewers, and total number of viewers is the best way to summarize their interest.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 12, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Game For Any Fuss

    It was my understanding that they had a gentlemen's agreement with Utah. When utah left they probably hopped that the big 12 would come calling. When they didn't, BYU went to a plan that they had on the back burner probably for the last five years.

    As it turned out. The backup plan was a good one.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    TJ

    "ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national brand."

    ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national brand BECAUSE that will bring in more viewers. If a team was successful but didn't have a national brand, then they wouldn't consider doing business with them. I'm not trying to rag on BYU. How could you rag on an ESPN deal? My point is that all ESPN cares about is how much money you make them.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Congrats.

    BYU can continue to tout being on TV, because that clearly outshines anything they've done on the football field recently.

    Utah will continue touting their BCS wins, and Pac-12 acceptance.

    To each their own.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 12, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Game for any fuss
    For one... the new broadcasting facilities so attractive to ESPN weren't quite complete. It's completion had always been part of any future movements in BYU's program...to include any possible move to becoming an independant.

    Secondly...There was no hurry...but Utah leaving admittedly had somewhat of a small catalytic effect. It would be pretencious to say it didn't. But it would also be pretencious to assume that it was the the major impacting factor...far from it. BYU's relationship with Craig Thompson...The Mountain West TV contract...and the outcome of renegoiating that contract as well as BYU's request for a bigger share of income far outway Utah's acceptance to the PAC as motivational factors to go on the road as an independant.

    Thirdly... the most important...and already previously stated... negotiations with MWC over BYU's request for a bigger share of the revenue sharing and Television income were still ongoing ...and regardless when completed with BYU not getting a better share of the revenue...BYU was in a good position to do anything it wanted to do...fully knowing that it's revenue base no matter which direction it went was stable and secure...

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Wow, ESPN lumping BYU's exposure in with the SEC guys and saying when the numbers are in, BYU will be right at the top of the heap.

    The table is set for BYU to make the leap into the upper echelon of major college football. This is going to be an amazing year for BYU football. September can't come fast enough!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    "There has to be a reason [ESPN] wants to partner with BYU," Mendenhall said.
    -----
    Yes, there is a reason, Bronco. They need programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3. Enjoy!

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    @starfarer

    "I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone heard it."

    Not entirely sure what you mean? This is more like "table for one", "alone at the movies" kind of stuff.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    To all of our visiting friends from the hill, as you're commiserating, take time to reflect on the opening stanza of your fight song:

    "I am a Utah Man and I live across the green..."

    with jealousy!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 12, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    williary

    BYU = National Brand recognized by the Worldwide Leader in Sports

    Utah = regional smallfry barely recognized by Versus

    btw, will Utah's first game as member of the "conference of champions" even be televised?

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    Notre Dames contract with NBC has not resulted in being a top ten program. The formula for being a top ten team that people want to watch is to win. BYU has a great opportunity, but they have to produce the results on the field. I think the biggest catalyst for the ESPN contract was that Boise St. was leaving the WAC and ESPN no longer had that small engine that could to broadcast every week. There is no way that Boise St. gets the respect they deserved without the help of ESPN, but the over riding cause of their exposure and noteriety was winning when no one thought they could and to do it time and time again.

    BYU needs to schedule the two for ones and win on the road, as does any team that has aspirations bigger than where they are now.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    As I understand it, Versus' Vice President of Programming stated after scheduling Utah vs. USC: "We're so happy that we got the Utes on Versus. Our schedule had been lacking lately with our hunting and fishing shows, we feel that we've taken a step up with the Utes."

    :)

    Good to be a Cougar!

    Rise and shout!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 12, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    UU702

    Since ESPN (and all their viewers)are at the table too, it blows that away.

    And since 54 millions homes now can get BYU games, puts a damper upon that one too.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 12, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    @Williary

    I'd hardly call a 1 year drop in production preceeded by 5 contiguous years of 10 win seasons an undershining. Especially when you are playing several true freshmen...several redshirt freshmen and a slew of inexperienced sophmores mingled with a few returning starters. BYU's program as it is today is a much improved program than the team that started last year. Especially the players themselves. Add that to a vastly upgraded coaching staff and ending last season on the rise...it's definitely a great start to a rebuilding period.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    "BYU will be considered a top 10 program within the next 5 years."

    I thought it already was. And every year BYU is crowned the preseason NC. Anyone have a "Quest for Perfection" t-shirt I can buy?

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 12, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Game For Any Fuss:
    Excellent and reasonable question. We can, of course, only speculate. A reasonable assumption is that BYU felt that the combined power of BYU, Utah, and TCU would result in the MWC receiving a BCS invitation. That opportunity may have been adequate reason to remain in the conference. Utah leaving the MWC significantly reduced the likelihood that A BCS invitation would come.

    We do know that BYU was attempting to work out broadcast rights with the failed mtn. network. Their determination that they would be unable to receive rebroadcast rights likely influenced their decision.

    It is also reasonable to assume that the sponsoring organization of BYU had an interest in keeping BYU and Utah together. When Utah left, that reason for remaining in the MWC dissolved.

    We know that at about the same time of Utah's announcement, the WAC approached BYU regarding partial membership. That invitation certainly would have stimulated BYU to reconsider all the points we have discussed, several others that we have missed, plus renew negotiations with ESPN. Clearly, BYU's final determination was that BYU was capable of thriving as an independent.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    This is absolutely the right move for BYU. Hands down. But when other PAC 12 schools start getting BYU to agree to 2 for 1 deals in football then Utah needs to do the same and stop the 1 for 1 deal and get the 2 for 1 same as every other PAC 12 team.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    September is right around the corner. Bronco and team led by Heaps start with a light snack in the SEC. Our future QB from Idaho certainly had a great showing in 7 on 7. Looks like we have several gunslingers lined up to keep the Independence Train rolling at least to 2017 or 2018. Great entertainment on ESPN. Win or lose we love our Cougars. Win and better match ups will come to Provo.
    Hopefully we can get a few more of the highly contested recruits for 2012 and 2013 to feel the independent spirit at BYU and come aboard.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 12, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    @One Nil to the Arsenal!

    Please don't choke on your cornflakes. BYU has been consistenly ranked in the Top 20 over the past 5 years. To assert that they could be a consistent Top 10 performer is not that difficult for most to understand.

    And then your claim that we will be the Thursday and Friday darlings of ESPN. I've looked at the schedule and I see no Thursday games.

    It's true that we have three Friday games, but one of those (USU) is at BYU's request because of General Conference. One of those is TCU in Cowboy stadium on ESPN as a swap for a Saturday Louisana Tech game - who wouldn't take that deal. So that leaves us with really one Friday game against UCF in Provo on ESPN.

    If one Friday game makes us darlings . . . so be it.

    Please remind me where I can watch the Utes? Or will I have to listen to their games on the radio?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    Shock and awe on the hill!

    That giant sucking sound you heard earlier today was the collective breath being knocked out of Utedom when ESPN announced that 10 BYU games would be broadcast on ESPN this year.

    Once they've recovered, expect an avalanche of spam as they try to convince themselves that 10 ESPN games isn't really THAT big of a deal.

    Afterall,... hmmmm,

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 12, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    utey's need to know...

    George Uko... DT
    Nick Perry... DE
    TJ McDonald.. DB
    Chris Galippo LB
    Jawanza Starling DB
    Devin Kinnard DE/LB

    These are the six most important people that Jordon Winn will ever know. These guys will definitely get to know Jordon up close and real personal on 10 September 2011. They will also be the guys who will be introducing the Utes to Football in the PAC and sending them to it's lower echelons. There is no way that Utah's poreous O line is going to prevent that from happening. Uko...Perry and Kinnard... whose returning to his preferred Defensive End spot... are considered the No.2 best Defensive line combo in the Nation right now. And Galippo is healthier than he's ever been at Linebacker and he's not had a bad year yet. Forget USC's record last year and forget thier sanctions this year. Utah will not get past these guys...no way ...no how.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 12, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    DevilishUte

    The question should be why doesn't Utah have a quest for perfection shirt?

    Do they not want perfection? Or do they just not want to state it for people to ridicule?

    I give propps to people who state their goals, even if they don't succeed, over someone who makes fun of people who fall short of their stated goals.

    Making light of BYU's stated goals in the vacuum of your own is petty and small.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Hey did anybody notice we were in the conference of champions?

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    @MenaceToSociety

    Nice try again (You have to love Ute trolls). BYU has 10 already schedueled for ESPN. dananana. music to my ears.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    @ UtahUte16

    Perhaps I can couch your obsession with an organization's desire to partner with a college football team in an analogy you'll understand.

    Here's a paraphrase of your post: I'm not trying to rag on Utah. How could you rag on a PAC 12 deal? My point is that all the PAC 12 cares about is how much money you make them.

    So you really think two BCS bowl victories is why the PAC 12 came calling? They needed two teams to make 12 and a conference championship game. You are geographically and demographically compatible...that's it. You were a third choice after the top half of the remaining Big 12 South declined the invite and AFTER Colorado accepted.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too, it will turn into crow.

    I loved the media day and the associated reviews/previews. Can't wait for Cougar football to begin in earnest. Go Cougars!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    TJ, I thought Ute 16's comment was evenhanded and the kind of comment we wish more rival fans would make.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    Dutchboy,
    There is no PAC 12 team worthy of a 2 for 1 deal with BYU. The only 2 for 1 possibility from that conference is to have Utah play two in Provo so they could get a revenue game in Salt Lake. But thanks for the laugh anyway.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    July 12, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    Well enjoy your day Provo fans. You had to do what you had to do. The MWC was limiting both of us, so you did as well as you could.

    But to me it still reads 2nd place.

    1st place receives a spot as a BCS team in a BCS conference and 22 million in TV revenue.

    2nd place receives independence and 8 million from ESPN, huge scheduling conflicts, not a BCS team or in a BCS league, and affliated with several weaker leagues for certain sports. Chaos!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    "But when other PAC 12 schools start getting BYU to agree to 2 for 1 deals in football then Utah needs to do the same and stop the 1 for 1 deal and get the 2 for 1 same as every other PAC 12 team."

    ROFL!

    That's funny, right there, Dutchman. I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!

    W-i-l-l N-e-v-e-r H-a-p-p-e-n

    Unless it is two in LES, one in RES.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    Again, all you have to discuss is your exposure on TV. That's great. BYU fans have bought into the excuses Bronco produces when he loses games. That football isn't that important.

    While BYU is counting how many times they are on ESPNU, Utah will be fighting for a conference title and a Rose Bowl berth.

    College football fans everyone know Utah, after the Fiesta/Sugar Bowls. College football fans, outside of any LDS wardhouses around the country, might have heard grandpa talking about BYU 30+ years ago. Recently, they have no idea.

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH Syracuse, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Game For Any Fuss | 11:53 a.m. July 12, 2011
    Draper, UT

    They have actually been talking about going independent for about 6 years now, but what I understand with the MWC and WAC falling apart, it wouldn't be a better time to go.

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Isn't this the time we bring this stuff up every year? I mean all the perfection and national championship talk and associated expectations? Quietly across backyard fences, or standing in line at Chuck-A-Rama somewhere is the discussion that the the "Quest" never really left our mindset. Our hopeful admissions that we weren't one of the many "lesser" fans who gave our Quest shirts to Deseret Industries. And now, we can safely bust those shirts out for the neighbors BBQ, or wear them to the gym or grocery store again. Don't be afraid! The Quest lives folks! And at least until the games start, and reality sets in, we should be able to wear them. Thanks Bronco, for reminding us that the Quest lives on. THE QUEST LIVES ON!!!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    TJ said:

    "Ute16;
    One little thing you ran around a bit but diddn't quite nail down. ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national brand. How is this not being a respector of programs / institutions. How many of the BCS schools could stand on their own merits and land an independent ESPN contract. Probably only one or two of the top schools in each BCS conference. Any business respects those who bring them success. They respect them by partnering with them to sell their product and both benefit....."

    Plenty of kool aid drinkers here today.
    You get respect if you win and increase ratings.
    And why would an FCS school leave a conference that gets millions already to just go independent?

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    "They need programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3."

    Yes there are a few Friday night games. I am not thrilled about that but Boise State did quite well for itself playing on Thursday and Friday nights on ESPN. With the Broncos now going into college football purgatory (the Mtn) ESPN is looking for BYU to take their place. What I am thrilled about is that there will be at least 7 games on either ESPN or ESPN2, plus 3 additional games on ESPNU. According to ESPN's VP of Programming that puts BYU in the upper echelon of college football programs for nationally televised games. How many games are the Utes going to play on national TV this year? The fewer the better. It was pretty embarassing the last time they played on national TV.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    TJ said:

    "Ute16;
    One little thing you ran around a bit but diddn't quite nail down. ESPN wants to partnership with those who are successful and have a national brand. How is this not being a respector of programs / institutions. How many of the BCS schools could stand on their own merits and land an independent ESPN contract. Probably only one or two of the top schools in each BCS conference. Any business respects those who bring them success. They respect them by partnering with them to sell their product and both benefit....."

    Plenty of kool aid drinkers here today.
    You get respect if you win and increase ratings.
    And why would an FCS school leave a conference that gets millions already to just go independent?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 12, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    bigutefan

    "1st place receives a spot as a BCS team in a BCS conference and 22 million in TV revenue"

    Let us know when you get that first $22m pay check; that'll be like sometime in 2020, right?

    In the meantime, the Worldwide Leader in Sports has already proven that they think BYU's brand is 10x more valuable than Utah's.

    Utah's association with the PAC 12 in any sport besides football and basketball is meaningless. Utah barely competed in any of the other sports in the MWC or the WAC.

    btw, in men's volleyball, swimming, and indoor track & field, BYU is in the same conference as Utah, at least, in the same conference Utah might have been if the Utes actually fielded teams in any of those sports.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Bigutefan is right. Independence is 2nd place. The proof is that Holmoe made sure his contract with ESPN and the WCC had an escape clause in the event that BYU receives an invitation to a BCS conference. I am a die hard BYU fan but when I take off the blue goggles I can see that Utah is in a far better position now than BYU is. They have guaranteed money and guaranteed access to the BCS. Of course, the whole BCS system still SUCKS but BYU would love to play in a BCS conference or a BCS bowl game.

    Having said that, if Ute fans would take off their red goggles for a moment they would have to admit that it is pretty incredible what BYU has been able to accomplish with the cards they have been dealt. There are only a handful of college football programs who could have struck out on their own and pulled off a deal like this, and Utah is not one of them.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 12, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    @Rational
    So what ... 2 at RES and 1 at LES it really doesn't matter...BYU fans will still show up in greater numbers especially after the PAC novelty wears off and the assured Utah is just another so-so team in the PAC has been firmly seated...we'll fill the other 30,000 seats or so in RES

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 12, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Dutchman
    Has BYU set 2 for 1 contracts with any Pac 12 teams? They played UCLA home and home (with the Vegas bowl in between). They were home and home with Washington (until Washington bought out the last appearance). Oregon State looks like a home and home. I can't recall all series, just wondering if there is any precedent to 2 for 1 with Pac 12 teams.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Rational,

    Bronco said himself that the cougs need to learn to be road warriors because the 2 for 1's will be a mainstay. The road warriors might as well play two at RES.

    Whoa Nellie,

    I realize you probably avoid reading the Salt Lake Tribune but AD Holmoe told the Trib reporter that several PAC 12 teams were interested in playing BYU but demanding a 2 for 1 deal. While you may think they are unworthy opponents I don't believe BYU has much choice in trying to fill a schedule and play games in their recruiting foot print. 2 for 1's here they come.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    We, the Independently minded, have enjoyed the Cougar National Media Day. Great to see Steve Young, Ty Detmer and Jake Heaps talking BYU sports. We have a great legacy of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks as well as a Heisman Trophy winner. The best is yet to come.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Independence will be very good for BYU. It might work really well long-term, but I think we'll see more variability from season to season (some really high rankings some years and unranked in others), vs. the usual spot in the 18-25 range.

    Independence is WAY better than staying in the MWC without Utah (and then without TCU). It is sad for the MWC, because I think they really would have been better than the Big East with the U/Y/TCU/Boise combo up top.

    Independence is NOT better than a BCS affiliation. BYU will give up independence very quickly if the Big 12 (or any current BCS conference) comes calling.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 12, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    willary

    "While BYU is counting how many times they are on ESPNU, Utah will be fighting for a conference title and a Rose Bowl berth."

    You've obviously been drinking too much red koolaid.

    A team that's only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years; a team that has lost to every bottom dwelling team in the MWC during Kyle's tenure at Utah; a team that hasn't won a road game against a PAC 10 team with a winning record since last century; that team...

    has very little chance of actually competing for a conference title and a Rose Bowl berth.

    While jealous Utah fans are deluding themselves into believing that playing on Versus and finishing in the middle of the PAC is better than playing on any ESPN channel and finishing in the Top 25, BYU will be building their national brand and fighting for their 2nd national championship.

    btw, sorry to disappoint you, but all of BYU's seven announced ESPN games will be on ESPN or ESPN2. Even if the remaining three to be announced games are on ESPNU, that's still alot better than playing on Versus or FOX Regional or the PAC 12 channel.

  • Muss Man Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    It's rather comical to see so many Cougar fans thumping their chests over a contract with ESPN that pales in comparison to Utah's deal with the very same network.

    BYU's deal = 3 guaranteed games per year, $1.2 million per game, for 8 years. Most games to be televised on ESPN2, ESPNU, or "The Ocho" on weeknights. Utah's deal = $19 million over 12 years. Games to be televised on ESPN, ABC, FOX, FSN, & VS.

    Even with 10 games on a second or third-tier ESPN station this year, the Utes will still bring home nearly twice the money from ESPN.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    RepresentBlue said:

    " According to ESPN's VP of Programming that puts BYU in the upper echelon of college football programs for nationally televised games. How many games are the Utes going to play on national TV this year? The fewer the better. It was pretty embarassing the last time they played on national TV."

    Right. Now BYU has more opportunities to lose on national TV. After all its all about exposure right?
    Upper echelon and exposure are two different things. BYU is not upper echelon, only TV exposure.
    Please people. I'm tired of BYU getting compared to SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 type status.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 12, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    Dutchman

    Wishful thinking by Utah fans and the SLTrib.

    BYU has never had a 2-for-1 with any PAC 10 school, including USC, which they played home-and-home during the Crowton era.

    PAC 12 schools can demand all they want, but the truth is, NONE of them fit the "big name" category that Holmoe said was the minimum requirement for accepting a 2-for-1 deal.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Ute16:

    Too bad that the utes can't command viewership like the Y. Too bad that you need to be in a conf to get a tv contract. Too bad, too bad, too bad.

    Rise and Shout... the Cougars are out!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 12, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Muss Man

    "It's rather comical to see so many Cougar fans thumping their chests over a contract with ESPN that pales in comparison to Utah's deal with the very same network."

    Does Utah's deal with ESPN include being totally ignored by ESPN?

    BYU 2011 - TEN games on ESPN
    Utah 2011 - ONE game on ESPN (courtesy of BYU)

    Please explain how BYU's TEN ESPN games pales in comparison to Utah's ONE ESPN game that Utah wouldn't even have if the Utes weren't playing BYU.

    The subtle difference that you don't seem to understand is that BYU's contract is an exclusive partnership between BYU and ESPN. BYU is GUARANTEED x-number of games EVERY year. Utah has no contract with ESPN. ESPN has a contract with the PAC 12 to televise x-number of PAC 12 games that may or may not include any games with Utah.

    You should have checked the fine print because U have no deal with ESPN.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    "BYU will be....fighting for their 2nd national championship."

    That is funny stuff. And the quest lives on...........Pull out the t-shirts and wear them proudly because BYU is after thier 2nd championship (they weren't before today).

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Rockwell -

    Get ready to eat crow because Holmoe has already been considering 2-for-1's with several PAC-12 teams.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica

    I am just quoting what the man said. The guy is the head honcho at ESPN when it comes to college football programming so his words are pretty authoritative. Obviously BYU will not earn any respect from having so many nationally televised games unless they win a good portion of them, but any non-biased observer, like Stewart Mandel at Sports Illustrated, has to admit that BYU has pulled off a pretty stunning deal in its move to go independent in football. There are maybe a dozen schools in the country who could have pulled it off and Utah is not one of them. Utah needs the PAC-12. BYU does not.

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    BigCougFan said
    "Too bad that the utes can't command viewership like the Y. Too bad that you need to be in a conf to get a tv contract. Too bad, too bad, too bad."

    We will see how fast the Cougs join a conference when they get invited. Sorry you were NOT INVITED.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    "Now BYU has more opportunities to lose on national TV."

    You mean like the Utes did BOTH times they were on national TV last year? Go ahead and remind of the Sugar Bowl but what most people outside Utah probably remember is the Utes getting SPANKED by Notre Dame and Boise State last year.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Jaydee

    "Perhaps I can couch your obsession with an organization's desire to partner with a college football team in an analogy you'll understand."

    First, my obsession? I made one post and that makes it an obsession? I rarely post on these boards. I usually read all Utah and BYU articles/comments, but I usually choose not to post due to the childish nature of people trying to twist my words, like you have done. I still don't quite understand the intent of your post other than to rebut me.

    Comparing the Pac 12 deal and the ESPN deal is comparing apples to oranges. Their missions are similar, but differ greatly in many areas. You're dealing with a conference in one, and a television network in the other. When it comes down to it, yes, the invitation to the Pac 12 has everything to do with money. The fact that the Utes have had recent success just makes it an easier decision, but it's not the main reason they were invited. Money rules this world which is unfortunate. But it makes the college football machine go.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 12, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    NightOwl

    "Please people. I'm tired of BYU getting compared to SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 type status."

    Get used to it, or stay off the BYU blogs, ESPN, and every other media that covers college football.

    As far as your analysis, your hyperbole notwithstanding, you obviously either don't have a clue or you're grossly misrepresenting BYU's contract with ESPN.

    BYU will actually be playing a minimum of SEVEN games on ESPN or ESPN2 this season and the payout for each game varies on a game-by-game basis, the actual dollar details of which are pure speculation because they've never been announced publicly.

    Besides the BYU game, Utah doesn't have a single game scheduled on ESPN or ABC. In fact, only two other games are scheduled to be televised.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    ute 16

    "If a team was successful but didn't have a national brand, then they(ESPN) wouldn't consider doing business with them."

    You say Po-tay-toe...business sense. It iwll make ESPN money.
    I say Po-tah-toe...respect of national brand and success. BYU has earned both and it will make ESPN money.

    They are pretty closely related in regards to this article.

    Good luck to BYU and Utah in the upcoming season.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    @Muss Man "Even with 10 games on a second or third-tier ESPN station this year, the Utes will still bring home nearly twice the money from ESPN."

    I'm pretty sure the Utes aren't bringing home ANY money from ESPN this year.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    July 12, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    I'm ready for cooler temperatures and football! Go Cougars!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Represent Blew-

    USU on national TV. 31-16!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    There is no pac10 team, other than usc, that BYU would ever consider a 2-1 with. And right at the bottom of the list would be utah. utah is not the equivalent of BYU as a national draw, not even close, BYU's stadium is about 50% larger than utah's and generates far more revenue than utah's, utah's tv deal soes not guaranty that game the exposure BYU's tv deal gives it. In short utah is in no position to even suggest the better half of a 2-1 with BYU.

    Yes you have posted it about 10 times over the last few days but you ought to talk to Chris Hill who would set you straight on this. Simply being in the pac10 doesn't change which school is the bigger draw, with the bigger fanbase, bigger stadium, etc.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    Ignorant Cougars...

    The PAC-12 new TV deal starts next year.

    This year, ABC, Fox, ESPN, FSN, & VS will be choosing which games to broadcast later in the year so the best games get on air.

    Which game would more people across the nation watch on Oct 8: Utah vs Arizona State or BYU vs San Jose State

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    July 12, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Who put out the Troll Chow? There are so many negative vibes around here.

    Let's stay positive.

    I cannot wait for BYU Football to start!!! And I can watch it down here in Texas!!!

    To show what kind of pull BYU has, I have been to BYU/TCU games at TCU and a full 1/3 of the stadium was filled with BYU fans. I don't think that happened when other Utah teams came to play TCU. The Basketball games are even more so. Close to half of the arena are BYU fans.

    Folks, that is BYU sports - strong and well supported by there millions of fans in the USA and even more abroad. We will put up great teams and BYU will earn even more respect.

    Thanks you ESPN, BYU!

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Attn: Muss Man

    You seriously need to do alittle fact checking.....

    Yes BYU is guaranteed at least 3 televised games per year on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU @ 1.3 million per game. ESPN will televise 7 and maybe an 8th game this year = 9.1 - 10.4 million, and it is possible that the TCU game in Dallas this year could have BYU bank more than 2 million.

    Also besides the ESPN money BYU television (which is in 60 million homes) will start selling aired commercial time for replayed games and games that are not televised by ESPN, and think of all those BYU Basketball games that won't be televised on ESPN that BYU TV will sell commercial time.

    Money Maker :) = BYUTV

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    "BYU will be building their national brand and fighting for their 2nd national championship."

    Wow. A Cougar fan calling the Utes, who have won 2 BCS games and been undefeated twice in the past 6 years, unrealistic?

    Really?

    Here's how BYU fans are going to ease the pain of failing to accomplish what their big brothers to the North have, twice. Stop talking about the BCS. Talk about a national championship instead to seem more nobel. If you can't finish step 1 of the race, getting to a BCS game, you're certainly not getting to step 2!

    Baby steps my friend. Trying to not play in the Kraft Fights Hunger Bowl on an annual basis would be a start.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    @UtahUte 16

    You're right! The purpose of my post WAS to rebut your argument. (And you did post on the topic more than once.)

    Your implied argument was that BYU's nationally recognized program (success over many years/decades on the football field) had little to do with the partnership with ESPN. I don't think it's "twisting your words" when you obviously imply ESPN could have formed said partnership with basically any university, regardless of that school's history/background, as long as the profits were in the picture.

    The PAC 12 analogy was merely to the argument U fans use about the reasons for their invite. I didn't say TV vs. conference affiliation was equal. It's a comparison. I was showing that you can't claim partnership based on performance for the U's invite and not recognize the same for BYU. That would be intellectually disingenuous, thus, "having your cake and eating it too."

    Sorry if I caused you confusion and consternation.

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Troll Hunter.

    Your example of ESPN to BYU TV commercial time sounds like something off the Cartoon Network.
    BYU TV is limited in the types of advertisers it can attract.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    @DevilishUte, williary

    Ironically enough, I haven't heard a single U fan come on these boards and talk about Utah winning a national championship...it's the same ol' "we've won two BCS games while you haven't even been to one" talk.

    I guess when you have yet to win a national championship, you tend to set your sights a little low.

    But good job with those two BCS wins...thus far it's gotten you on Versus and FSN Regional once this year.

    Even Colorado's on TV more than that...ouch.

    Go Cougars!

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Carabou:

    The Oct 8 game, who else is playing that day in the pac10.2? You are assuming that there is noone else in the pac worthy of broadcast, no USC, Stanford, Oregon, Wash Ucla. I would be willing to bet the utah arz state will not be on ABC or other, maybe verses.

    The pac will decide who will be on the tv, not u.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    DeepBlue.
    Many schools are on ESPN besides BYU. The world does not revolve around Provo.
    Again I ask BYU fans out there. If the move to be independent is not about money. Then why do you continue to talk about tv revenue and bowl payouts?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    williary

    "the Utes, who have won 2 BCS games and been undefeated twice in the past 6 years, unrealistic?"

    What's unrealistic is a team that has two great seasons in a short span, thinking they've suddenly become a national power. Face it, Utah's two BCS wins took a lot of luck. Utah 2004 didn't play anybody and Utah 2008 was lucky to get past Oregon State and TCU and played a disinterested Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl.

    Even during the greatest period in Utah history, the Utes couldn't string back-to-back Top 15 finishes together.

    BYU has already done that several times, including back-to-back Top 10 finishes in 1983 and 1984, and back-to-back Top 15 finishes in 2006-2007.

    BYU(4) has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last five years, as Utah(5) has in their entire history.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    BYU has never said the move to independence wasn't at all about money; what BYU has said is the most important reason for the move was exposure.

    BYU has a national fan base that has pleaded with BYU for years to provide better access to BYU sports. The Mtn and the MWC refused to honor the original agreement to allow BYU to broadcast games that weren't shown on the Mtn, and to rebroadcast games that the Mtn had rights to.

    The only way for BYU to escape the limitations of the Mtn was to leave the MWC.

    As you said, lots of teams have games on ESPN, but only BYU has an exclusive partnership with ESPN. As far as Utah is concerned, the ESPN world does revolve around BYU because ESPN will be televising EVERY BYU game that ESPN has rights to in 2011.

    The only BYU games ESPN won't be broadcasting are one home game, that ESPN is contractually obligated to allow BYU to broadcast on BYUtv and the Oregon State game. That's it. All TEN of BYU's other games will be on ESPN.

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    July 12, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    @NightillAmerica
    "If the move to be independent is not about money. Then why do you continue to talk about tv revenue and bowl payouts?"

    I read most Cougar fans touting their exposure on ESPN and not really talking about the money. It's utah fans that keep bringing up money. BYU fans are always going on about all the games they're getting on ESPN national TV while Utah is getting zilch from the Pac 12.

    Before the move to Independence, BYU was one of the handful of schools in the country that was operating their Athletic Dept in the black. This past year BYU had maybe the biggest athletic budget in the MWC (much bigger than Utah's) and had a healthy surplus. This has been the case for several years, while the opposite has been true for Utah. They were losing money for years inspite of their BCS success.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    Oh my goodness? HAHAHAHA! Oh how I wish I would have been able to ask that panel a few choice questions. Yeah, they better knock on a lot of doors because over half of the current 2011 football schedule is as bad as it can get. And, 2012 will not be that much different. Idaho, New Mexico St. etc.........I can't wait...... yawn. And, it is "possible" that BYU could lose their first four games, not likely, but possible. Then, how popular will the WAC schools vs BYU games be on ESPN? NOT!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 12, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    CordonBleu
    11 games on ESPN networks. Don't forget the 2011 bowl game is set. Also, note that not all of those games are ESPN, several are scheduled for ESPN2, others may be on ESPNU (or perhaps ESPN3?). Still wonderful, but technically not "ten games on ESPN."

    I would be pleased to see less criticism of Utah's program from BYU fans. Their television schedule is not yet finalized. Utah has had a very good program the last few years, no reason to expect them to perform poorly in the long term despite the schedule upgrade. The future of football in the state of Utah is very bright.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 12, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    UU702 | 12:51 p.m. July 12, 2011
    Layton, UT
    @starfarer

    "I guess the tree in the forest fell and everyone heard it."

    Not entirely sure what you mean? This is more like "table for one", "alone at the movies" kind of stuff.
    ----
    Funny. More Ute fans on this thread talking about BYU than there are on the U thread talking about the PAC12 media guide.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    I think this is a new experiment with BYU by ESPN and it will be very interesting to see where the viewing numbers land after a couple years. BYU must do something about their weak schedule.......it lacks entertainment value for sure. I'm sure the ESPN boards will be quite active.......it will be something to pay attention to for sure.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    July 12, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    When does BYU announce the 4 tickets for the price of one during WAC play??

    Can't wait to thump on those WAC teams on a yearly basis!!

  • Big Pappy west jordan, utah
    July 12, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    PAC 12 missed the obvious boat. BYU brings cold hard cash to the mix. 10 to 20 time as much as the Buffs or Utes. Not that the U and Colorado don't belong. BYU athletic prowess in all sports in the MWC was vastly superior to the rest of the conference. BYU had 147 overall conference championships while in the MWC. The next closest was Utah with 41. With the Cougars on board the PAC 12 could have been the #1 conference in the nation or maybe #2 to the SEC.

    Too bad religious bigitry had to get in the way.

    With BYU streaming it games around the world with their Network worthy abilities, things can only get better. And with the talk of ESPN using their facilities to stream west coast and late night games, BYU may be in for a 100 million dollar a year payday from all the new revenue. Too bad that the MWC couldn't have stayed together. With the addition of Boise state it could have been a monster situation.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    "If the move to be independent is not about money. Then why do you continue to talk about tv revenue and bowl payouts?"

    Money was not the top priority, though it is always an important consideration for any major college athletics department. Football is the sport that pays for everything else and BYU does not use tithing dollars to fund its athletics programs so it was important for Holmoe to get a TV deal that would bring in enough money but the primary goal was always increased exposure and with 10 games on ESPN in their first season of independence it appears that goal will be realized. The revenue smack between Ute and BYU fans started when Utah got the PAC-12 invite and Ute fans began boasting about all the money they would be making. BYU fans began to fire back when the 8 year ESPN contract was announced. It is stupid and I for one am really tired of it. While it is gratifying to know that the BYU brand is so valuable and marketable to such a huge media empire as ESPN, it will not translate into wins anymore then Utah's PAC-12 money will.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    @Big Pappy

    BYU has a fine athletic dept. without question. The PAC-12 picked Utah for two main reasons. It is a great research university and is patterned closely in terms of academic curriculums. Plus, all PAC-12 members have medical schools and prolific science depts. BYU does not and their curriculum is vastly different than all PAC-12 schools. And, there are the social issues that absolutely don't mesh with PAC-12 schools. BYU will be OK now that they hustled a few deals.......no worries.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    "ESPN will be televising EVERY BYU game that ESPN has rights to in 2011"

    Well, almost. ESPN has rights to the Idaho State game because it is a BYU home game, but for obvious reasons they have chosen not to pick up that one so it will be broadcast live on BYUtv. Oh well, 6 out 7 home games broadcast on ESPN, with the majority on ESPN and ESPN2, plus an additional neutral site game at the Jerry Dome on ESPN isn't too shabby for their first year of independence!

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    July 12, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    It appears Jimmer U. is Quarterback U. again.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    What is the big news about BYU needing to go undefeated to go to a BCS bowl? That's been the case for Utah, BYU, etc.

    I could care less about a Conference Championship. It's not motivation for most fans. Who really cared who won the Mountain West... only what came next. Last year BYU lost -- got creamed -- by Air Force and everyone knew they had no chance to win a conf. Championship, but that didn't stop the fans from watching. Not one bit.

    And playing San Jose State vs. Wyoming? or New Mexico vs. New Mexico State... no difference. I'll only miss playing Air Force.

    Just get the fall camp started and the count down begins for real football. In late August I'll turn to my wife and say, "Dear, any last words before football season begins??"

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    Happy independence Day! This is big for any school. BYU got out of the MWC, they get their exposure. It's what they wanted. Some want fame, some want wealth. My team got what it wanted and so did my rival.

    Good year for football on the wasatch front.

  • gcp52 Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    The whole reason BYU and UTah left the MWC was two fold. 1) exposure and 2) money. BYU will probably end up getting more exposure with 7-10 nationally televised games (even if it is on Friday nights). Utah will get 2-3 on Saturday when everyone else is playing and the game will probably only show to a regional crowd (and they have to win a lot to merit additional games).
    As far as money goes (for now) Utah has the better offer. But in all reality both BYU and Utah are thrilled with the new contracts.

    BYU needs to take advantage of this opportunity!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    Hey Bronco...

    If your team can't execute a simple field goal blocking scheme... you're not the best team on the field.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    @mgr63
    "BYU must do something about their weak schedule"

    Why? This is the schedule that was set up in conjunction with ESPN. ESPN worked out most of those games. In past BCS Bowl years Utah rarely played BCS schools, at the most 1-2 a year. It didn't seem to hurt them at all playing a cream puff schedule.

    I'm sure BYU AD Tom Holmoe loses sleep at night worrying about what mgr63 thinks about his football schedule and all but in reality, BYU is working out their schedule in unison with ESPN and the fact that they've announced 10 games plus the bowl game on ESPN means they've hit a grand slam their first year out of the gate.

    I'm sher yer a whole wheelbarrow load smarter than dem der folks up'n Bristol and sher nuff sooner then later dem all will be calling you all to git yer 2 cents werth on the whole deal. But, until then there's no need getting your panties in a wad giving yourself ulcers stressing about BYU. Remember...

    "Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part. Magic Happens."

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    mgr63

    "The PAC-12 picked Utah for two main reasons. It is a great research university and is patterned closely in terms of academic curriculums."

    And the main reason BYU wasn't picked was religious bigotry.

    Bottom line, as much as Utah fans like to pretend that Utah's BCS wins were a difference maker, the real reason Utah is in the PAC 12, instead of BYU, has absolutely nothing to do with athletics. BYU dwarfs Utah in overall athletic success and size of fanbase, which are the driving forces behind television contracts.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Floyd Johnson

    I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. The difference between ESPN and ESPN2 is negligible and seven of BYU's games are already scheduled for ESPN or ESPN2, as well as BYU's bowl game. That only leaves three ESPN games to be played on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU, which will probably be based on how BYU's season progresses. Replays of BYU's games will be available on ESPN3 and BYUtv, but none of BYU's games will be broadcast only on ESPN3.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    @cordonblue

    Without getting into a battle here...........BYU just does not fit in with every BCS conference.......or they would have at least received a call back, don't you think?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    @cordonbleu

    Utah was invited to the PAC-12, rightfully so. It is a fantastic school with a diversified curriculum, great post grad schools and is neutral on social issues like all schools in the PAC-12. Their football team has been very successful in recent years and I believe that was also a small factor in the PAC -12's decision making process. And, I'm very happy to have attended there for part of my college education and am even more thrilled that the state of Utah is now represented in the big time by the University of Utah. GO UTES!

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    July 12, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    as a byu fan I want utah to win every game they play, except the holy war! why would anyone want utah to fail? we are not in the same conference as them anymore so I hope they represent, and I think they will.
    go Byu!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Hedgehog.
    This website is littered with posts from BYU fans boasting about tv and bowl revenues.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    @nightowlamerica

    The D News is a Mormon publication and we are on their turf. I don't mind all the ridiculous comments that BYU fans make. I think it is hilarious.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    CordonBleu.

    The only thing exclusive about the ESPN deal is that it pays less than other TV contracts. Yawn about most of the BYU games on the ESPN family of networks. Vanderbilt makes $18 million a year off ESPN & CBS a year.
    I would rather watch the newly scheduled LSU vs Washington game on Saturday night. Thank you ESPN!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 12, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    Ute fans who believe their team has ANY chance at a BCS bowl in the next few years are dilussional.

    Why?

    What's your winning percentage AT Pac-10 schools over the past 10 years?

    That's what I thought. Dismal road record there.

    You have THAT hump to get over before you can have ANY credibility with the comments you make on BYU articles.

    I doubt you'll make more than a lowest-tier bowl game this upcoming season, if that. I suspect you'll have difficulty getting a winning record.

    Of course, BYU will help you to that end with one of your losses on September 17th.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 12, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    What's the big deal about conference affiliation? Just being in a non-AQ conference doesn't guarantee a BCS game. Non-AQ teams still have to go undefeated, same as BYU as an independent.

    No one's going to remember that a team finished 1st or 2nd in their conference if they didn't play in a BCS bowl game.

    And, few will remember any team that didn't win the national championship. And even fewer will remember who that champ beat.

    For ALL college football teams, there's really only one thing to shoot for: BEING the national champ.

    BYU as an independent has as good a chance at that as MOST all other college football teams, BCS or otherwise.

    Only a few BCS schools have the edge over BYU because of history. And, that's as it should be.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    I think everyone's comments are funny. People on both sides are acting like they already know the future but this is what I say, nobody knows what's going to happen so let's just sit back and wait for the season. One side will be eating their words while the other side will be enjoying themselves. I can't wait to see what'll happen but to be honest with you, I would rather have ESPN coverage. Who wants to be on Versus anyway? That's just second string college football TV to ESPN. Even if we don't win every game, at least we'll be out there and BYU fans everywhere can see the games. Go Cougs!!!!!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    @whatsinitforme

    We Utes feel grateful for our invite to the PAC-12.....a feeling that you don't have at BYU. Utah has had 2 perfect seasons in the last few years and creamed our opponents in the BCS bowl games. Utah will now be getting even better recruits......so, we're feeling OK about our chances and hoping for the best. The thing you need ask yourself is BYU ever going to be relevant in college football again? Why don't you have an undefeated season in this century, a BCS bowl or two under your belt and then get back to us.......sound fair? Your annual boastful t-shirts and return to glory campaigns are laughable??????? Peter can only cry "wolf" so many times before the villagers don't come.......true? I am sure glad that we Utes don't have to resort to annual self-professed greatness shirts and posters......we just try to win and do. Go Utes!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "The only thing exclusive about the ESPN deal is that it pays less than other TV contracts."

    Yawn...

    You left out the most thing about BYU's ESPN deal...

    it created an official partnership between BYU and the worldwide leader in sports.

    Regardless of how much money BYU is getting paid, and the truth is, you don't have a clue how much that really is, the media exposure and influence BYU will receive through ESPN in scheduling nationally intriguing matchups, far exceeds anything Utah fans could imagine in their wildest dreams.

    Utah did well in associated themselves with a major conference, but with that association, Utah is now completely at the mercy of the PAC 12 to chart Utah's course.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    UteBusters.

    Utah might be at the mercy of the PAC.
    But BYU is at the mercy of the WAC! They can have that exclusive.

    ESPN has official partnerships other than BYU that pay out more money.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    10 BYU football games this season on the worldwide leader in sports, couldnt be much sweeter then that! Not too mention all the national exposure the basketball team will get as well playing on the worldwide leader in sports. BYU looks smarter each day by going independent!

    Go Cougars!!!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    @mgr63 "Utah will now be getting even better recruits"

    (yawn) So will BYU.

    "The thing you need ask yourself is BYU ever going to be relevant in college football again?"

    I'll let Dave Brown, Vice President of Programming for ESPN, answer that question for you:
    I think that for me, when everything came together last summer, I just said games like that (the Oklahoma game) are what really separates BYU from everybody else. Our schedule was lacking because we didnt have BYU on, and now moving forward theyll just be a big, big part of our lineup and thats going to be great for us...BYU is a great brand and we know theyre always going to be successful and we certainly look forward to a long way past 2020."

    Seeing that ESPN backed that up with putting 10 of our games on their networks this year says that yeah, BYU's definitely very relevant in the college football world.

    But congratulations, those two perfect seasons and two BCS wins have gotten U a game on Versus against USC this year...woohoo!

    Compared to CU, who plays the Trojans on ESPN2.

    Ouch.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "ESPN has official partnerships other than BYU that pay out more money."

    Mind listing those official partnerships? Texas is receiving 15 million a year for their TV deal, curiously close to the 12-15 million a year that BYU will be making.

    But really, who cares? In the end, it's all about exposure for BYU, which they will be receiving. Mission accomplished.

    Both BYU and Utah fans should be happy, since both have gotten what they wanted. For Utah, it's a BCS conference and money. For BYU, it's ESPN and exposure.

    I know I like to poke fun at all Ute fans (smack talk is part of what makes this rivalry so great) but I do wish the Utes success in their endeavors in the PAC 12.

    It's an exciting time for football in the great state of Utah.

    Let's go get 'em.

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe.

    LOL!!!

    What exactly is the Armed Forces Bowl? A lower tier bowl that BYU signed a contract with.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    I read these comments with feelings of nausea. Back & forth, back & forth.

    No one has even punted a football and yet many have it all figured out! With Utah it's all talk, Let's let them walk the walk. Until then it is all speculation. For me, I don't care what league they are in or who they play or don't play. They are still just the U to me. Nothing they say or do will make any difference to me. I just really love the Y.

    As to why BYU chose this time to go independent......duh, have you seen their new television building on campus. It's state of the art, nothing like it west of the Mississippi. It's about reaching millions of BYU fans around the world who still show a great interest in BYU, its sports' program, and everything thing else that is BYU. And what an audience that will be!

    The rest of you don't have to watch them on ESPN nor comment. That would be fine with me. Go play your own game.

    I watched BYU media day today and enjoyed every minute of it.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    @mgr63

    You recently said this on a different article (among other things, it was a solid comment :): "Yes, I despise BYU and what it stands for, but I would rather come into your arena and debate than join a crowd that needlessly, ruthlessly attacks you people. Fair enough folks? Cheers!"

    The only question I would have based on this comment "Yes, I despise BYU and what it stands for" is, why?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    Nice try trucoug1.
    The contract with Texas is for 20 years. How long is the agreement with BYU?
    SEC contract is also big bucks.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:42 a.m.

    Not only will ESPN be broadcasting TEN BYU games, ESPN announced today that BYU's first EIGHT games next season will also be broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    @truecoug1

    I appreciate your question and sincerity. You seem like a good person as is my best friend of 25 years who is a bishop in the LDS Church. Believe it or not, I have a gazillion Mormon friends......the moderate ones of course. Cheers!

  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    July 13, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Wow no pressure. Lose one game and your playing for next year. And when the players pack it in after a loss or two they will be doing it every Thursday or Friday night in front of an amused national audience.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 13, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "The contract with Texas is for 20 years. How long is the agreement with BYU?
    SEC contract is also big bucks."

    I understand that Texas' contract is for 20 years and ours is for 8...but my understanding is we were talking about money/deals worth more. And if you break it down year by year, the Cougs and Longhorns are making about the same.
    However, I will grant you that over 20 years, the Longhorns are looking to make around 300 million while over 8 the Cougs are looking at 100-120 million. But that's good company to be in with :)

    SEC deal is great, but that's for a specific conference, not one team (like BYU)...I'm pretty sure if Mississippi St. or Vandy went independent, they wouldn't be getting an exclusive ESPN contract.

    So again, would you mind listing the ESPN deals that are worth more than BYU's?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    @Flames6

    BYU will lose more than 2 games every year...........but they will continue to invent new NC t-shirt slogans without fail.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    @truecoug1

    Who's to say that ESPN will honor that 8 year commitment buddy? They may opt out of the contract my friend? I am really not convinced that BYU will pull the necessary viewing #s. There is a ton of contempt for BYU out there in America as you know and the quality of their schedule is dismal for over half of their games..........hmmmmmmm?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Rockwell,

    While PAC 12 schools may not fit the big name category BYU demands in order to qualify for a 2 for 1, the fact is BYU wants and needs games with PAC 12 schools because their recruiting emphasis will always be in the PAC 12 foot print. And fans would rather see Oregon in Provo rather than San Jose State even if it is one time vs going to Eugene twice.

    Duckhunter,

    All I am saying is that when BYU starts cutting 2 for 1 deals with any PAC 12 schools Chris Hill is going to be under tremendous pressure by the fans and boosters to get the same treatment for Utah. Even though BYU has a larger stadium now (Utah will probably match it or exceed it soon) I would venture a guess that the revenue generated by a sold out RES exceeds that of LaVelle Edwards Stadium because of the ticket pricing, Utah's being much higher.

  • IndependentLiberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    WOW!!! Everybody pipe down. I listened to Hans and the 1280 the Zone fawn over BYU media day ad nauseam yesterday. Countless references to ESPN, partnership, undefeated, pressure, media center costs, worldwide audiences, Independence better than being the PAC-12 whipping post, yada, yada, yada!!

    ENOUGH!!! Put the helmet and pads on and lets get to knockin serious head. Well reconvene 4 or 5 games into the season after these two schools start on their new adventures and we can start our smack anew. At least it will be based on real time Football data because thats really what it is all about, hittin and spittin!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Lots of petty jealousy from the folks on the hill. I guess that should be expected when the rival you supposedly left behind has

    10 games scheduled on ESPN

    and you're stuck with a measly

    1 game, courtesy of your rival

    If you've really "moved on", why are you still here?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Dutchman

    You're wasting you breath arguing that BYU will ever agree to a 2-for-1 deal with Utah. BYU fans would never tolerate it and Utah adds nothing to BYU's schedule that BYU can't get from countless other teams.

    As much as Utah fans would like to pretend it isn't so, the rivalry is much more important to the Utah fanbase than it is to the BYU fanbase.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    @TrueBlue

    I agree with you on the 2-for-1 deal with Utah. There is no way that will ever happen. If the heads of the people on the hill at Utah ever got that big that they would dare to ask for 2-for-1 deals to continue the rivalry then I am sure BYU would walk away from the rivalry. As a fan I would never accept that and would boycott the game if BYU ever agreed to it. Having said that, I think it is wrong for BYU to ask for the same thing with Utah State. Bronco said he would like to see the Utah State series continued as a 2-for-1 and I am really disappointed in him for saying that. BYU should treat USU as equals. I know the record over the last 30 years doesnt support that, but they are an in-state school that shares a long history with BYU, and they stuck their necks out for BYU when they were trying to go independent in football and join the WAC in all other sports. For BYU to turn around and make them play 2-for-1's makes me feel ashamed.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    Go undefeated and win a National Championship? Why didn't Utah, BSU, and TCU think of that?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    TrueBlue,

    You state that Utah adds nothing to BYU's schedule and that the game is much more important to the Utah fanbase (Even though you are the guys with a schedule to fill). That is the attitude that I find among most BYU fans to the point that I can hardly speak to any BYU fans in my LDS ward anymore. Duckhunter stated some time ago that he could live without the game. I agree with Duckhunter and you, let's just cancel the series between BYU and Utah altogether. We are going in different directions and there is no sense in trying to keep it together. Then maybe I can feel welcome in my ward again.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    BYU go undefeated ever again.........never! They did it once in 1984 against a Mickey Mouse collection of competition. The worst team that Bo coached in his tenure at Michigan to seal a bogus NC. They do NOT have the team speed on defense to play in the national spotlight. Plus, they always have emotional let-down games.......as evidenced by their world-classless performance at lowly Utah St and was absolutely hammered buy TCU and FSU at home last year. That, in and of it self, speaks volumes........doesn't it? All the cougs could do was egg the D-coordinator's car in his driveway at night after they were brutalized.....Klassy indeed......with a capital "K."

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    @Dutchman

    It is too bad you dont feel welcome in your ward. I live just a few miles from you and my ward is split pretty evenly between BYU and Utah fans, and we all get along just fine. We rib and jab each other all the time but it never gets personal, and is all in good fun.

    How are BYU and Utah "going in different directions"? There is that Ute fan arrogance coming out again, and yet you complain about BYU fan arrogance? Pot meet kettle! Sure, Utah is going to the PAC-12 and BYU is going independent, but both programs are going in a positive direction, and they are both pretty equal right now. The head to head record over the last two decades is dead even, so for Ute fans to claim they have outgrown the rivalry is nothing more than hot air. You will find out on Sep. 17 just how untrue that really is.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @mgr63
    "BYU just does not fit in with every BCS conference.......or they would have at least received a call back, don't you think?"

    Its been reported in numerous venues that the Big East contacted BYU about joining the BE for football only. Because it wasn't a good fit for them, BYU administrators declined up front. Apparently they felt that the course they're on with Independence is a better fit for what matters to them most.

    To put this in the proper light, we all know how bad the Big East is in football and how easy it would be for BYU to get to a BCS Bowl game every year if they were in that conference (most years the BE champ is a 5 loss team). If BYU were in the BE for football they'd go to 10 BCS games before Utah ever returned to another from the Pac 12.

    Yet....easier access to the BCS wasn't the priority. Apparently they've found a higher purpose in going Independent. The Big 12 doesn't come due for a new TV deal until 2014 and won't be considering expansion until then. We'll have to wait to see what happens there.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    RepresentBlue,

    I did not mean to imply in my comment that "different directions" meant that one direction was better than the other. Actually, I agree with you that both are headed in positive directions. But I find that the BYU fans that I encounter now feel superior again with the direction of their program although they didn't feel that way one year ago. The "better than thou" syndrome is out in force and I would like to see the series end. I have a leader in my ward who absolutely hates and I mean hates the U even though he was a leader there in one of the student wards and admits that the kids he encountered were great. But he has to make it a point to tell me whenever he sees me how much he hates the U. This would be a petty complaint from me if he were the only one but unfortunately he is not. I wish there were a way to bring both sides closer together but seeing none I suggest we end the rivalry.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    @mgr63
    "We Utes feel grateful for our invite to the PAC-12.....a feeling that you don't have at BYU."

    is that feeling kind of a sinking feeling? The one you get when you find out too late that the grass isn't really greener on the other side of the fence but it's too late to jump back?

    Yes, I'm sure everyone's experienced something similar during their lives.

    "Utah will now be getting even better recruits"

    First recruiting class in process isn't remarkable or any better than usual. When is this amazing recruiting going to kick in? If you want the answer to that question, just ask some Washington State fans how amazing their recruiting is being in the Pac 12.

    "Why don't you have an undefeated season in this century"

    First off, this century is just over 10 yrs old and it took you over 100 yrs just to get your first. My question to you is, if you've had 2 undefeated seasons in the past 10 yrs, why haven't you won the National Championship? BYU has.

    Why don't you managed to do better than finishing 2nd place or 4th place and then get back to us....

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 13, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    mgr63

    "[BYU] was absolutely hammered buy TCU... at home last year"

    Actually it was UTAH! that was absolutely hammered by TCU at home last year, outscored 20-0 in the first quarter, and not scoring at all until the fourth quarter; final 7-47.

    BYU was actually in the game AT TCU down only 3-0 until very late in the first half when TCU scored a couple of quick TDs. BYU was still only down a couple of TDs at 3-17 midway through the 4th quarter; final 3-31.

    As embarrassing as BYU first loss to Utah State in the last 17 games was, it doesn't come close to Utah's humiliating 0-27 shutout at UNLV(2-10).

    BYU hasn't been shutout by anybody on the road since the 70's.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    @nightIllamerica
    "Vanderbilt makes $18 million a year off ESPN & CBS a year."

    So what you're saying is it took an SEC school 2 major TV network contracts to equal what BYU has with ESPN? Remember, BYU's deal with ESPN is open ended. BYU will get paid for 10 games (plus a bowl game) inaddition to revenues they can derive from re-broadcasting games on BYUtv.

    Comparing apples to oranges, it took the collective might of some major football powerhouses like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc working together to get that $18 million deal that you mentioned for Vandy.

    BYU alone walked in and got 10 games on national TV (by themselves) and will likely get very close to that figure when it's all said and done (remember, ESPN paid BYU around $4-4.5 million for them to play Oklahoma in 2009).

    This galls you and mgr63, doesn't it? Look at the bright side, you're now in a new conference so you shouldn't have to deal with those feelings anymore, unless you choose to subject yourself to it by obsessively reading BYU articles on DN and, like a moth is drawn to flame, compulsively commenting on them.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    @nightIllamerica
    "What exactly is the Armed Forces Bowl? A lower tier bowl that BYU signed a contract with."

    Armed Forces Bowl is a better bowl game than the ones you'll likely go to, IF you can manage to win 6 games. Pac 12 bowls this year for lower tier teams will be the New Mexico Bowl, Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and if you can manage to win 8-9 games, the Las Vegas Bowl.

    Hoohooooooo.....you traded 2 undefeated BCS seasons in an easy conference (MWC) for the chance to fight to MAYBE get to go to the New Mexico Bowl once every few years.

    Have you guys lost your marbles?!? You traded away a legit chance to go to a BCS bowl game nearly every year in the MWC (or at least be in the conversation) for the chance to become the new Washington State and MAYBE go once or twice every 50 yrs or so?

    No matter what delusions of grandeur Ute fans have, the history of teams in the Pac 12 not named USC, UCLA, or Stanford, etc is a pretty dismal.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    I agree that is inappropriate behavior. Hate is a strong ward that really does not have much place in the church. I would urge you to talk to this person and tell them how you feel. Some people are just clueless and it is possible he does not even realize he is being offensive. As far as letting the rivalry end, maybe you are right and it should end, but I doubt it is even possible. Even if the both schools stopped playing each other there would still be a rivalry between Ute fans and BYU fans because of the geographic proximity and the cultural and historical ties between the two schools. Ute fans and BYU fans would continue to bicker and talk smack about which team is better, but having an annual game at least gives the two teams a chance to prove it on the field. For the last 20 years that has proven that the two teams are pretty equal. Maybe the Utes will begin to pull ahead now that they are in a BCS conference, but then again maybe BYU will keep pace now that they are playing in front of a national audience.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    RepresentBlue,

    Thanks for the suggestion. I have been thinking of doing just that. I just hope that BYU never agrees to do a 2 for 1 deal with any PAC 12 school because I can tell you there will be a lot of bitterness in both fan bases. Utah fans demanding the same type of deal and BYU fans rightfully incensed by it. Such a move would probably tear the rivalry apart. I would implore all BYU fans to send an email or letter to AD Holmoe telling him not to consider any 2 for 1's with any PAC 12 schools. Hopefully it is not too late.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    @mgr63
    "Who's to say that ESPN will honor that 8 year commitment buddy? They may opt out of the contract my friend?"

    who's to say that the Pac 10.2 won't decide to drop the .2 part and go back to being the Pac 10 and uninvite Utah and Colorado? Hmmmmm..........????

    "I am really not convinced that BYU will pull the necessary viewing #s."

    Yes, and I'm sure that the dumb people at ESPN are losing sleep at night worrying about what you think. Meanwhile the ratings that the BYU/Oklahoma game pulled in 2009 was one of the best for ESPN in the past 10 yrs.

    "They did it once in 1984 against a Mickey Mouse collection of competition. The worst team that Bo coached in his tenure at Michigan to seal a bogus NC."

    And Utah went undefeated in 2004 and 2008 against a mostly cream puff schedule playing very few BCS opponents. in 08 they needed OT to beat the WORST Michigan team in over 100 yrs and needed to missed chip shot FG's by a freshman kicker to squeak by TCU after TCU dominated them all game long. Yet, Utah STILL couldn't win a NC.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    @Dutchman
    "I would implore all BYU fans to send an email or letter to AD Holmoe telling him not to consider any 2 for 1's with any PAC 12 schools."

    Tom Holmoe has been quoted saying that he'd never agree to doing a 2 for 1 wiht Utah. He said he didn't feel it was in their best interests to do so. He's also stated that their are only a few programs that they would consider doing a 2 for 1 with. Judging by the deals we do have committed to it looks like he intends only schools that have long traditions of success like Texas and Notre Dame.

    2 for 1's and Home-away-neutral are different entirely. with the latter both teams are on equal footing and stand to benefit the same from them. They each get a home game and the 3rd is played in a marquee venue which will be promoted like crazy by ESPN and other major sports media outlets to maximize the buzz. Those games to me are a win-win for both schools. For the players it's like a mini-bowl game during the season. Definitely something to get up for.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Here's what CBSsports.com's Brett McMurphy said about BYU's going independent and their deal with ESPN:

    "By being on national television virtually every week, BYU could quickly become Notre Dame West or even a much smaller version of the New York Yankees well, if the Yankees had an honor code."

    A ton of fans hate Notre Dame and a ton of fans love them. Same for the Yankees. But the bottom line is they have the horsepower to move the needle. That's pretty good company to be compared to.

    We all saw the impact that ESPN can have when your program and it's athletes become nightly fixtures on Sportscenter and the national buzz that can generate. They took a very good college basketball player to legendary Rock Star status and made him a lottery pick (when previously he wasn't even thought to be worth a 1st round pick). I have no doubts ESPN will have the same impact on BYU's football team and with players like Jake Heaps, Ross Apo, Cody Hoffman, Juice Q, Uone Kaveinga, etc.

    I'm happy Utah got what they wanted and I'm tickled for what's on the horizon for BYU. Win-win for both programs.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    BigCougar,

    Hopefully you are correct but the minute a 2 for 1 deal is struck with the likes of Washington State, Washington, Oregon, Arizona or any other PAC 12 school for that matter the prospects of continuing the rivalry game with Utah will dim considerably. I know you don't really care if it does and neither do I. Let it die if need be.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 13, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Memo to BYU fans:

    Please restrain yourselves about alledged rumors of past conference invites. It's getting old. Until you actually get invited to a real BCS conference, keep talking about the independent route in front of you.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Re: UtahUte16 | 11:19 a.m. July 12, 2011

    "viewers=$"

    re: Floyd Johnson | 12:19 p.m. July 12, 2011

    "A cost per viewer ratio may more accurately represent their interest"

    Re: MenaceToSociety | 12:45 p.m. July 12, 2011

    "Yes, there is a reason, Bronco. They need programming on Friday nights and on ESPN3. Enjoy!"

    Agreed with all. BYU's brand name & national fanbase will probably mean more viewers on a Friday night than Southern Mississippi vs Memphis for example.

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    @ Game For Any Fuss;

    In a Saturday evening dinner I had in my home with President Samuelson, three years before independence occurred, he mentioned that there was one thing that kept BYU AND Utah from pulling out of the MWC. A handshake agreement!

    He and President Young mutually agreed that it was in the best interest of both universities and the conference to do their best to build the conference. He told me this was a handshake agreement and would be in place until one or the other school wanted to break the deal because they needed too. The other school would be free to do whatever it wanted afterward.

    As everyone knows Utah pulled out because of their invite to the Pac 10. BYU choose to go independent. Many will call me a liar and that I don't know what I'm talking about. I believe President Samuelson spoke the truth and responded with honor.

    It would be great if all Utah and BYU fans would accept the truth as it is. BYU was not the first to leave the MWC. That was Utah. Pure and simple.

    Go Utes! Go Cougars!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    re: Commontater | 5:13 p.m. July 13, 2011

    "It would be great if all Utah and BYU fans would accept the truth as it is. BYU was not the first to leave the MWC. That was Utah. Pure and simple."

    Personally, it really doesn't matter who defected first. Its a great opportunity for both. It will be interesting to see who benefits the most in the long run.

    **IF** the PAC eventually adds UT-Austin, OU, OK St, & Texas Tech then the advantage could belong to the U.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 13, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    "**IF** the PAC eventually adds UT-Austin, OU, OK St, & Texas Tech then the advantage could belong to the U."

    Wally,
    I thought BYU fans were the delusional ones....

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 13, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    I don't know what got you on this kick but BYU would never even consider having 2-1 deals with the likes of washington st., utah, or any of the other dregs of the pac10. There is one team in the pac10 that they might consider scheduling a 2-1 and that would be usc. Other than that there is not a school in the pac10 that in anyway is a bigger national draw or a bigger national name than BYU, not a single one.

    You ute fans keep folling yourselves that somehow all of these pac10 schools are these national teams and nothing can be further from the truth. None of them, other than usc, has ever sustained any longterm success. They rise for a short while and then fall back to Earth for a longer while. That has how it has always been. We can deabte why that is but the fact is that it is.

    You can stop worrying yourself about it, it will never happen.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 13, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    "there is not a school in the pac10 that in anyway is a bigger national draw or a bigger national name than BYU, not a single one."

    I couldn't agree more...

    Besides USC, the last PAC 12 team to win a concensus national championship (#1 in both the AP and Coaches polls) was...

    NOBODY!

    USC is the only team in the PAC 12 that has ever won a concensus national championship.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    re: Cougars1 | 6:09 p.m. July 13, 2011

    Do you not understand hypotheticals?

    I'd bet any & all graduates/students/fans of a research institution could, can, & do.

    And if you are not down with that...

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    re: BigCougar | 12:17 p.m. July 13, 2011

    "Armed Forces Bowl is a better bowl game than the ones you'll likely go to, IF you can manage to win 6 games. Pac 12 bowls this year for lower tier teams will be the New Mexico Bowl, Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and if you can manage to win 8-9 games, the Las Vegas Bowl."

    When the Utes win 10 & they are off to the Holiday Bowl; what will cougar nation think?

    I'd bet the U is back in San Diego in Dec long before byu.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 13, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    @hank pym

    "When the Utes win 10 & they are off to the Holiday Bowl; what will cougar nation think?"

    We'll think "well let's see, we only did that about 10 times, the 1st one over 30 years ago, it's about time utah, LOL!"

    Other than that we won't think much about it at all.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    July 13, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    @Howard S. | 8:39 p.m
    "Hey Bronco...If your team can't execute a simple field goal blocking scheme... you're not the best team on the field"

    Well Howard, since you want to be childish:
    Hey Kyle....If you team can't defend the pass...and Harline is still open....you're not the best team on the field.

    Well golly, we could go back and forth on this all day. I can't remember Utah winning every game they played against BYU. Pull your head out, some you win and some you lose. Get a life. Comparing one season to the next is childish, what happened in the past doesn't mean anything. What happens this season is all that matters. GO BYU and good luck Utah, you got a sweet deal so do something about it. Hopefully we will have success too.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 14, 2011 3:47 a.m.

    @Hank Pym
    I'd say that if the Utes could win 10 games and go to the Holiday Bowl they had an amazing season. I don't think the 2008 team could've won 10 games that year if they had been playing in the Pac 10. The Holiday Bowl this season would be the absolute best a Ute fan with any sense could hope and dream for.

    Phil Steele says he expects BYU to win double digit games this year. As for Utah, he doesn't even project them going to a bowl game and has them finishing 4th in the South Division behind USC, ASU, UCLA.

    It would be disastrous for the Utes to get off to a bad start in their new conference. Things could snowball out of control. If you remember, it was only a few years ago that Ute fans were calling for Kyle's ouster. I wonder how many bad years Kyle will get in the Pac 10.2 before disgruntled fans start chirping again.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    July 15, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    I am under no illusions that it won't be tough for BYU going forward. On the other hand, the freedom, ownership, and exposure are worth it. We now have independence, no safety net, and we can chart our own path. I wouldn't trade what we have for anything. Knowing that you have no safety net, are only playing for a national title and having a reasonably tough schedule helps prevent complacency and keeps you on your toes, which is healthy. Having the exposure means that I can watch every game down here in Arizona. I am pumped for this next year. Rise all loyal cougars!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 16, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    re: Duckhunter | 8:48 p.m. July 13, 2011

    Ahh, Ducky! Did I hit a nerve? Because, The U will going bowlinf in SD before the y does. And when it does, will hear all manner of nothing of how playing in Shreveport is superior to playing in SD.

    re: BigCougar | 3:47 a.m. July 14, 2011

    Really, 4th behind UCLA & Az St? UCLA is train wreck waiting to happen w/ Neuhesiel at the helm. What do the Sun Devils have beside Cheerleaders w/ bad decision making skills?

    Utes in 2011 IMO win 8, (3rd behind USC & UAz), and a Dec visit to San Diego.... The Poinsettia Bowl for now.

    *If not when* byu receives an invite to the Big12 then *maybe* the U & kittens will meet in the Alamo Bowl