Since Jeff has been the shooting coach CJ has been in the tank, on and off, Fes
is unable to hit a free throw, or any shot for that matter, Raja Bell brought in
for his 3 pointer has been shooting blanks. Price has worked with Jeff for
years and is feared by nobody in the NBA.I am glad to hear Jeff is
not under contract as it may allow the players to do some damage control and
work without him messing up their shots.Jeff, like Adrian Dantley
was a great player but is abysmal as a coach
Doug10: Your crazy if you think Jeff is the reason CJ, Fes, Price, & Bell
have been having shooting problems. The players have to be held responsible for
implementing the principles they are taught. Jeff can teach them but he can't
shoot it for them. He also can't put in the time necessary to make the
adjustments needed to become consistent. To blame Jeff is just crazy. Jeff
played the game smart and took advantage of the little things to make himself
better, if the players will listen and apply what Jeff teaches they will get
Hornacek can't be blamed for any of those players' shooting woes, that's
ridiculous. CJ and Fes have been terrible their whole careers, Jeff can't come
in and turn their game around in 20 games, that's impossible. Especially
considering who you're talking about. Bell is too set in his game, there isn't
anything Jeff can tell him that will make him improve. Plus it doesn't even make
sense that a shooting coach would cause a veteran to go down in shooting
percentage, please explain how you think there's even a correlation there.
I doubt that the best and most in-depth coaching in the world would get Fes to
where he could hit free throws. At Raja's age he should be beyond coaching on
the mechanics of his shot. I think someone is just setting up a
straw man to blame because some of the players are not capable of shooting any
better than they do (Fes, Bell, Price) or don't have the mental consistency to
make themselves good shooters (C.J.).
cj and fes are both lazy and out of shape,bell is old and just about done,and
price never could shoot although he works hard,Let`s wait on Burks and
Kanter,have a feeling both will shine and hopefully miles will be gone soon
I was reading the article thinking that a negative Doug10 comment was coming.
What do ya know, first comment. I know you have to have a personal grudge
against him for some reason, what is it? He may or may not be a good coach, but
he hasn't even had enough time to judge that.Also, Raja was not
brought in for his 3pt shot, it was for his leadership and D, but he didn't give
enough of any of that.
I do hope they upgrade the coaching staff though. I went to the first game of
the Tyrone Corbin era and the bench looked sad. Corbin, Layden and Horny. Not
quite as good as Sloan, Johnson, Corbin and Layden.I think the staff
needs a serious upgrade.
we need to find out if millsap has had a shooting coach the last couple of years
and who it is. he has got better every year. i suspect mostly from hard work. he
was in farmerville louisiana the last week working out with the local boys club.
cj was probly in dallas sitting on the couch eating chips and drinking coke
This lockout is going to be a a real pain, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole
season was missed. I hope not but the players seem resolved that this is going
to be a long drawn out thing and the owners know things need to change. It makes
me sick to think there may not be a season but I don't see things getting worked
out anytime soon. I side with the owners more than the players, I know no one
forced the owners to pay the salaries they have but things in the last CBA
proved to be bad for business and those are the things that need to be changed.
I hope the players will see that and not be too proud and stiff necked. They
(the players) will still make millions even with the changes that need to be
We could use a lot less Doug10 fans and a lot more fans who are loyal to their
team. There is no way that Hornaceck made these guys bad shooters. They all
figured that out on their own.Captain L, I'm with you. I think the
players need to take a hit and stop whining about everything. The owners have
had more and more pressure put on them over recent years to pay the big salaries
for top players. A hard cap is what the league needs.By the way who
was the genius who put Derek Fisher at the head of the Union? The man has been
on the Lakers almost his whole career. He doesn't know what small market teams
are dealing with.
I blame Hornaceck for Hayward's shooting percentage
Anonigma: I agree.
Doesn't Jerry West have shooting video out yet???Maybe that would
So if the season is washed up how will the draft Positions be place? Like they
were the last complete year? So will Minnesota pick first? or the same teams in
the lottery? Minnesota does not have their 1st pick but does have the Jazzs 1st
pick, The Jazz have Golden States 1st Pick so what would the line up look like?
Then how the the projected draft look? Will CLEVELAND get H Barnes? on top of
the rookies they have Now? We know that in the 1st 10 picks 3 or 4 will be
Freshmen. The Jazz will get T Jones or Perry Jones with the Golden State Pick.
What will the teams look like then? Some teams Could be supporting 4 or 5
lottery picks over the last 3 drafts starting together. Kinda reminds me of how
Tim Duncan made it to San Antonio. and that made them a power house for 15
years. Who could that be?
JAZZ LINE UPKANTER at the 5 (3rd Pick),Favor at the 4 (3rd Pick),T Jones at the 3 (11th Pick), and if they move up in the lottery?Hayward at the 2 (9th pick)Burke at the 1 (12th Pick),Throw in
Jefferson, Milsap, Harris (like the 6th pick), and WHOA in a couple of years
what just might happen? On Rookie Salaries, my mind just starts running with the
possibilities. Look at the height of that line up, who could match up to that,
and the athleticism.
CJ Miles has no work ethic...like what i've been saying...he is Mediocre at
Best...a decent role player that needs to come off the bench for 10-15
mins...Fes...is Fes...Ostertag v2.0...the only thing...but he is still worth the
3rd C rotation...you just cant teach height and bulk...he has 6 fouls to
use...raja...you cant coach him on his mechanics anymore...unless he is more
than willing...like Jason Kidd...i sure hope he picks it up next season...
Miles has been working out with Ray Rice (Baltimore RB), so you are all wrong if
you think he doesn't have an off-season routine. Why do you say he is lazy?
Remember when he came into the league he was a stick, he's added a lot of muscle
which has help his ability to drive to the basket. Sorry to break it to you, but
Miles has probably the best jump shot on the team, next to Harris. Don't even
compare Miles with Fes, that's insane! The guy is like 23 yrs old and gets paid
below the NBA avg salary. He really is underpaid compared to other comparable
I'm not really sure about Miles' off-season routine. I started following him on
twitter and I can't understand a word he says. Derrick Favors has an
awesome work routine based off his twitter....I'm really glad the Jazz have him.
Comforting, I think, that Hornacek believes that Burks has the "shooters
eye". Waiting to see both Burks and Kanter hitting those 15 foot jumpers,
besides all the other things they do.@Kakashi...plz consider dropping your
Ostertag/Fes comparisons. It's a valid comparison so far in Fes's career as far
as free throw percentage and work ethic, but I saw Ostertag play a LOT and he
was far short of Fes in all-around skill level. Ostertag was an excellent
shot-blocker some of the time. That is the only thing he did better than Fes.
@Maverickhe does have a good jump shot during practice...but in
game...he is terrible...maybe if he lessen the on the move jumpshots...where in
instead of straight up jump...he jumps going to the sideways...those shots...he
misses...but if he sets his foot...its a done deal...but...practice and in-game
scenarios are different...in game...he would have chucked 5 ill-advised shots
all misses...and 5 more decent shots...going 3/5...if he really is that
good...how come it took him 6 years to improve into a mediocre player?...wake
up...if he wasnt lazy...last year should have been his break out year...but he
never took the chance...but he is a good pickup...since he is cheap...
cj...next year he will break out...we'veeen hearing this for 6 years...he seems
to like to drive...right to the drive thru at McDonalds
@Doug10- Since Hornacek came on as shooting coach Kyle Korver set an NBA record
for 3pt % in a season (Yes its true that Kyle Korver was already a good shooter,
but Hornacek did work with him and made him better) Wesley Matthews became a
solid 3pt shooter, Paul Millsap starting nailing threes, Gordon Hayward went
from 29% at the college 3pt line to 47% at NBA.I think the man knows
what he is doing.
Anonigma: If you can communicate with CJ via twitter, ask him what kind of
workout routine he has and suggest that if he wants to be as good as a Kobe or a
Ray Allen, he should find out (in detail) what their pre game and off season
workouts are like and copy it.
CJ Miles was interviewed on 1320 KFAN right after they extended his contract.
He was asked about his work out regimine. He said he's preparing himself to be
able to run the floor all night long while maintaining his strength. CJ has
never had a problem of coming into training camp out of shape (if he had, Sloan
would have called him out and I would have rememebered) CJ is busting his tail
off this summer as he has for the past 5 years. He eats, drinks and sleeps
basketball. He is a hard worker, fans just like to speculate. He
doesn't looked as ripped as other NBA players, but that is his body type.
Doug10Just curious. You don't like the owners, the front office, the
coaches, or any of the players. What is it, as a Jazz fan, that you like?
@JFFRlets face it...CJ had 6 years is more than enough to prove
himself...let's not waste our time...he wont be an all-star...he wont be a
clutch performer...he is simply a role player....decent but erratic...and that's
just about it...6 years playing pro-ball and still have mediocre numbers?...come
on...i know he is young...but im no longer expecting much of him...i'd rather
see Hayward get the ball rather than CJ...at least Hayward knows when to shoot
and when to pass...and is and would be a great playmaker for our team...CJ
should be happy...and should just accept the backup role...he should just know
his role...and dont jack up too many ill-advised threes...
@ Ed Doug has a player that he is very fond of and I recall him making
numerous posts about his admiration for this player. I am fairly certain it is
Carlos Boozer that Doug really likes.
I would love to see the Jazz bring in Dantley to fill that last coaching spot.He
could help these young players develop a lost post game...NOONE did it any
@ Rockon, In the NHL when they lost a season they took the combined
win-loss record of the previous 3 seasons and weighted the odds for the draft
order based on those numbers. I would imagine the NBA would do something to that
@Captain L:I just follow CJ on twitter, I don't really know him and
he usually only responds to people he knows.
@Kakashi- when did I claim CJ was something special? I just said he works
hard.I think he is a solid role player. Personally, I think he's
better off in the starting lineup. He's a great option if he's the 3rd or 4th
option in the offense. When he came off the bench and was the 1st or 2nd
option, he struggled. Sure he has 6 years in the league, but lets
remember he didn't get too many minutes back when he was 18 and 19 years old.
He's the same age as Wesley Matthews and in the same ball park in quality he
brings to a team (Wesley is a little bit better right now, but I still think CJ
has more potential. CJ when he's 27 will be better than Wesley when he is
27.)For 4 years I've been waiting on a "CJ Miles breakout
year" Well, I've stopped believe in breakout years. Players don't
breakout, but they can improve their game. CJ's not gonna be an all-star next
year, but I think he'll continue to improve and be a solid player.
How do you do it? Live in Phx, Az.; work as a coach for the Jazz; and have your
children in school in different places? You seem to be doing a really good job,
but it seems like allot for one person to handle. Some might say you are just
doing a good job managing things, but if all you were doing was managing things
then why would you stretch yourself so thin. Wouldn't it just be easier to
focus on one aspect of your life, then be passionate about the spectrum of your
life that focuses yourself as a person?
@JFFRreally? a starter...i'd choose Hayward overhim if its just
potential...but i agree that he may be a solid player...but i'd rather have him
off the bench...especially with the lineup we have now...and what we could have
in the next draft...CJ may flourish in other teams...and if he wants to be
effective and help the team play...he should have improved his shot
selection...6 years...same bad decisions...although he is slowly and steady
improving...it might take him at least 2-3 more years to become a consistent
player...he'll probably end up like John Salmons....CJ should have went to
college...and he could have been a much complete and better player than he is
Kirilenko should start over CJ. But CJ is a solid 3rd or 4th option on offense.
When the lineup was Watson-Hayward-CJ-Millsap-Elson, he and Millsap shouldered
the scoring responsibility. That forced CJ to take a lot of unwise shots
(Hayward will now take some of that responsibility, which will help.) When you
talk about forced unwise shots plus the occasional "CJ Miles thinks he's
Kevin Durant" moment...it adds up to pretty sloppy stuff.Put CJ
Miles in the right role and I think he can be a 15+ points a night guy. With
the occasional 30pt game (he scored 41 pts when he was 23 years old...) But
I'm always way too optimistic when it comes to CJ.CJ probably should
have gone to college. There was a great article on ESPN a year ago about the
jump from high school to NBA for him. He never had to use picks in high school,
he could always just beat everyone he played against. All of a sudden he wasn't
the best, thats a huge adjustment. He didn't know how to set screens or use
@JFFRi agree that he could be a solid 12-15 pt a night guy...he
would probably have a big game here and there...but...noting his lone 41 pt
effort...im not sure it would be a regular thing...i think...for him to be
successful...he needs to embrace the 6th man role...i think he would have an
advantage playing against second stringers...i just hope that there would be a
season...so that he could prove his worth...im not praising him or
anything...its just that...CJ should know that he wouldnt be an
all-star...because he really isnt the best guy out there...he is an option...but
he isnt the best...and he should accept that...move forward...and do his best on
his role...kinda like grant hill embracing a lesser role....he became more
Thats the thing with CJ Miles. I'm pretty sure he thinks he's Kevin Durant,
Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant etc. No actually. He thinks he's CJ
MILES. His first 4 years he had no confidence all of a sudden he has WAY too
much.Paul Millsap is on fire versus the Heat? "Thats okay,
because I'm CJ Miles. I'll jack up the last shot!" "Sundiata Gaines
hit the game winner? I'm not that excited cuz it should have been me! I'm CJ
MILES!" (Go watch the YouTube videos, you'll see what I'm saying. P.S.
Atleast we have YouTube... the league can't take taht away from us)Unfortunately, I think Paul Millsap needs to realize the same thing. I LOVE
the guy, but I don't think he's an All-star. He might be better off coming off
the bench, but I don't think he wants that role. P.S. Careful with
your CJ Miles YouTube highlights!
I think the main ingredient for improvement, if the talent is there, is the
desire to do whatever necessary to get better. Do you remember back in the day
when Stockton and Malone were among the few that worked out over the summer. Do
you remember when prevailing thought was lifting weights interfeared with a
basketball player's technique. I wish more players had the work ethic of Malone
and Stockton. Do you remember Malone calling out "Tag" on his
"work ethic." If players wanted it as bad as Stockton and Malone did,
we would have more players like them. So in summary, the desire to get better
accompanied by hard work is probably the main ingredient for most to improve. I
don't think you can teach desire.
CJ is a second round draft pick that has lasted six years.....way more than
most. He is productive and does not cost a lot. I am not sure why everyone
wants so much from him. We should be happy that a second-rounder can play.
Mathews? He was once in a lifetime. Nobody should have to get compared to him.
Horny is doing a great job. It's interesting how Douglas makes the
first ignorant comment and then several land blast him and he doesn't even
defend himself????....hmmmmmm, go figure. It's all about character and some
seriously lack it, unfortunately. This should say a lot folks. So, please, and
I mean please, ignore his utter nonsense. He obviously knows zero about the game
of basketball. I have commented on this before regarding his cynical and
pessimistic ways. I like the Jazz's future. Horny will con't to
help the team. Thx for all your support Jazz fans....Let's hope we
can resolve the labor dispute soon so we can see what we have and check out our
new additions. Go Jazz....
I think Horny knows a thing or two about shooting. Horny on CJ Miles....he
shoots off balance to much and he doesn't shoot it the same way every time. When
CJ gets in trouble on his shot it looks more like he's throwing it than shooting
it. Watch Dirk, he practices his off balance shots over and over again. If CJ
did that more, then he might make a few more of those sling shots he does at
times.Watch Hayward, he practices shooting in balance and with the
same consistent form. Jeff can give you the techniques, you have to practice and
work at it to get better.What did Jeff say, not all of the young
players listen.....makes you wonder how come CJ hasn't improved his shot
selection and technique....
Thanks amgolfer. Good advice.
has anyone realized how seriously good our team is going to be in the next few
years?....its scary for me...the potential this team has...all they need is to
put in the effort...i hope...the guys...come to a local gym...and work out...do
some usual practice runs that they do during the season...work on the same
plays...they were working on....if they did that...and then the season comes
in...our Team would shock the NBA...they dont need to have a superstar...all
they have to do...is play team basketball...every move should be...and must
be...made..thinking it would help the team...we've got arguably the most solid
front court....and if...our 6'6 rookie...agrees to play the point...and
imporoves on it...we would have one hell of a core...it may sound far fetched
for most...but i can see this team...win a championship...Let's Go JAZZ...