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  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 8, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    I'm beginning to like the WCC more and more. I think Holmoe is serious about staying in this situation for a while. A BCS conference may call sometime, but if it's sooner rather than later, BYU might politely decline the offer.

    The WCC will likely be more competetive than people are thinking. BYU is now at home with their mens' volleyball team. Basketball is about the same level, replacing UNLV and New Mexico with Gonzaga and St. Mary's. Like the PAC, the WCC is more broad that football/basketball.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 8, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    With the addition of BYU the WCC will be a two bid league for the NCAA tournament most years. Is it the Big East, or even the Pac-12? No, but it is about as good as the MWC is gonna be without BYU and Utah except that it plays on ESPN instead of the Mtn. It will be a good home for the Cougars to continue to improve the basketball program and build on the momentum they have going right now.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 8, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    For those who think the MWC is superior in men's basketball to the WCC, how do you account for the WCC's 7 appearances in the Sweet 16 and 1 appearance in the Great 8 since 1999? Is the MWC able to make such a claim?

    And we all know about San Diego (bottom team in WCC) beating Utah (mid conference team in MWC).

    With Utah (other than the past few years) and BYU out of the MWC, the WCC is clearly a stronger men's BB conference than the MWC going forward.

    Why does the WCC not have track and field? That makes no sense to me.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 8, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    BYU couldn't have ended up in a better setup than they originally thought they'd get. The WCC will be WAY better than the WAC they were thinking of getting into for non-football sports, even if Nevada and Fresno hadn't defected.

    Every BYU sport has found a decent home, and some didn't even have to change, as they weren't in the MWC in the first place.

    Independence in football and WCC membership in many other sports are going to be good for BYU!

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 9, 2011 12:59 a.m.

    This commissioner appears thoughtful and upbeat. I've bought my season tickets already. Can't wait for the Zags to come to Provo in the dead of winter. It'll be fun.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 9, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    The teams in the WCC are great and all, but the best benefit of the WCC is geography. No more snowy trips to Laramie, WY or Fort Collins, CO. Now it's Southern California 3 times per year, Northern California 3 times per year, Portland and Washington. As Tom Holmoe said, 58% of BYU Alumni live in the 4 states which the WCC has it's footprint in. Great move athletically, religiously, and especially geographically.

    Excellent move Cougars!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    Sounds like all the cougar faithful have convinced themselves that "your new home is better than your old home". No buyers remorse? Perhaps this is because you really didn't really have any other choice. Too bad this is a false perception. Enjoy!

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    July 9, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Gonzaga, BYU, St Mary's, SanFrancisco, Santa Clara, Portland

    VS

    SD State, UNLV, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force, Boise

    1...Gonzaga they have a current history(90's, 2000's)
    2...BYU..historically UNLV is better,BYU is riding a Jimmer Wave w/Rose
    3...UNLV...strong history
    4...St Marys...good every year
    5...New Mexico...decent every year
    6...SD State...building a history with Fischer
    7...San Francisco Old history...decent now
    8-12 are a toss up

    Gonzaga, BYU, St Mary's are just as good or BETTER than UNLV New Mexico and SD State!

    I think the WCC will have more teams advance in the NCAA tourney going forward.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    July 9, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Dave Rose is a very good coach...Jimmer is a once or twice in a Lifetime kind of player...but if we had not lost Davies last year BYU would have been in the Final Four...with a 25% chance to win it all.

    BYU has some really good recruits and Davies is an NBA calibre player. Abuo is every coaches dream...he can defend 4 positions on the floor...best role player you could ask for. I think BYU is just starting something big.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    July 9, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Haven't we beat this dead horse enough?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 9, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    The WCC reminds me of a friend of mine...

    A decent guy who was excited to marry a girl who was known to everyone (but him) as self-centered, high maintenance, and attention hungry.

    Out of respect no one warned him, he thought he was in love and he wouldn't have listened anyway.

    As expected... when the honeymoon was over, my friend regretted his decision and regrets it to this day.

    I wish the WCC the best... but this is not going to turn out well.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    July 9, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Dear Howard S.,

    I find your comment hilarious. What makes you say such things? Oops, sorry, I am feeding the trolls.

  • Nikon Guy Henderson, NV
    July 9, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    @ Howard S.
    Amen to that! I still think the WCC is a pit stop until something better comes along.

    In my opinion thew WCC is still a downgrade. Although there are going to be 2-3 consistent and great teams in the WCC the conference just doesn't have the name brand or recognition that some think. Most people, especially on the east coast probably couldn't name the conference Gonzaga is in. Even with the addition of BYU, which is a very strong brand, I think most will still struggle to remember the WCC. In fact, some probably will still think BYU is part of the MWC! Although, the MWC lost a lot over the year, I think the MWC is still more recognizable than the WCC. Also, even though the MWC lost Utah, BYU and TCU I think the MWC will still ride the coat tails of success stemming from past BCS victories although they are totally different sports. The MWC has come a long way as far as respect and I don't expect it to go away anytime soon. :)

  • BYU's Best WACO, TX
    July 9, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Interesting that the WCC commish already "knows" that BYU won't dominate in any of the 4 sports he mentioned. I wouldn't be so bold as to predict that they won't, although the Cougs could just end up being extrememly competetive in them. All I know is that with Rose at the helm, BYU has beaten the Zags, USF routinely and St. Mary's. Not a bad start, imo.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 9, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    "Most people, especially on the east coast probably couldn't name the conference Gonzaga is in. "

    Nikon,

    You nailed it. People on the east coast have finally now (after a decade of success) taking Gonzaga as the real deal. But no one...I mean NO ONE knows what conference they come from. The general rule ( east coast) is if you're not in the PAC then you must be a WAC.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    July 9, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    "As a member of the Mountain West Conference for 12 years, BYU was dominant in all sports, claiming a whopping 140 regular-season and tournament championships Utah was second with 49."

    All I can say to that is "WOW"!!!!!!! No question who has been the premier school in the MWC. Now I understand the real reason why the school north of town took the first opportunity to run. They had no hope of ever catching the Cougars.

  • Billy Budd Saint George, UT
    July 9, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    "The Cougars will strengthen the WCC, but it will not be dominant".

    If "exposure" is the #1 goal of BYU Sports, "domination", of the WCC, has got to be a close second.

    "Competitively, BYU will come in, in all sports as a top-half program, but not a dominant program in any of our sports".

    The WCC Commissioner, obviously, has seriously underestimated the newest member of the WCC.

  • donburi Oceanside, CA
    July 9, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    WCC > MWC (sports, fans, fit)
    Zaninovich > Thompson
    ESPN > mtn
    BYUtv > mtn

    Here's looking to a bright future.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 9, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    I can't believe I am saying this but, I have to agree with Hedge and Howard....to a point. Most people know who Gonzaga is, but they don't know that they are in the WCC. You could also say the same thing for BYU for the last 10 years. Lots of people may know who BYU is, but they couldn't tell you what conference they were in. It still doesn't diminish the fact that BYU is in a better situation in the WCC than they were in the MWC. Let's be honest, the MWC is a media black hole. To be out from under Hair Thompson is the best thing that could have happened to both BYU and Utah.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    July 9, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Silent Lurker

    Sounds like our jealous little brothers are still obsessed with their big brother.

    Just like in football, where BYU will be playing the majority of their games on ESPN, BYU basketball has found a new home with over a dozen games on ESPN this coming season.

    The kids on the hill are compelled to nit pik, because they know that that trainwreck on the hill will be lucky to find a home on the PAC 12 subscription only channel -- maybe that's a good thing.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 9, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    "People on the east coast have finally now (after a decade of success) taking Gonzaga as the real deal... no one knows what conference they come from"

    Who cares? It really doesn't matter which western conference you play in as long as you're good enough to get an invitation to the big dance. Of course, for a team that can't beat the bottom dwellers in the WCC, it could be a long time before that ever happens.

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    I don't think the Y helps the WCC that much. They already had two better teams so the Y will fit about the same as in the MWC - competative, may win once in ten years, but generally fit in the spots from second to forth. The WCC will continue to be a one bid league

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 9, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    BYU in almost every sport will do very well in the WCC. After all, it is the WCC. I see many BYU fans posting that BYU basketball is competitive? For the last 20 years BYU basketball has been mediocre at best. The last two years they had a very gifted Jimmer propel BYU into the NCAA tourney and finally get a couple wins. In their last 10 NCAA tourney invites they have only 3 wins, two coming this year and one the year before with Fredette. What now? BYU BB is gonna be iffy at best in the future. Also, other BYU fans have stated that they expect a call from a BCS conference to move up to? Well, that will never happen because the education/curriculum at BYU is not considered standard in the world of academics. When I think of the BCS conferences, I cannot imagine any of them ever considering BYU and will not. BYU should be happy with whatever they get at this point unless they want to dramatically change the curriculum and make some efforts to be more mainstream in their social views.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 9, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    mgr63,
    Did you go to BYU? Please give us some specific examples of text books used at BYU that are not used at several BCS Universities.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 9, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    It's amazing how much anger and hatred exists amongst the trolls posting on BYU articles.

    I feel sorry for these people, who's health must be really taking a hit from all this consternation over everything BYU. Angst and stress aren't good for being able to live a long, healthy life.

    BYU fans can only laugh at these trolls. They speak as if what they say will convince BYU fans of the error of their ways. Laughable!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 9, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    BYU is pathetic in science and classes of critical thinking. It is a very guarded curriculum. 45 hours of religion classes is a bizarre requirement, not mainstream. They have limited graduate programs, no research whatsoever, no medical school.......it just does not fit into any BCS conference. The education at BYU is designed to teach Mormons under the guidelines of the LDS Church. And, I have no problem with that at all........good for them, but don't expect the "real" world to accept it, because they don't and will never.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 9, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    Hey whats.......the 1st amendment isn't one of your faves I take it? Freedom of speech has always been you folk's biggest worry......I feel sorry for you my friend. Cheers!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 9, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    @Cougar1

    And lets not forget the social issues that are far from how any BCS conference would ever consider a member to have. I believe that is the dagger that will continue to sublimate BYU for many years to come.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 9, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    mgr,
    First of all, I don't think BYU's goal is to be accepted by the real world. After all, we are a "peculiar" people; but you make it sound like a bad thing to have high morals and values.

    45 hours of religion may be bizarre to you, but to many people it is very well accepted as proven by the number of non-LDS commits BYU has gotten over the past few days. But, I am sure that to many others like yourself it is definitely bizarre. I can actually understand where you are coming from.

    The problem I have is that you are speaking for all BCS conferences as if you have a voice at the decision table; which I am sure you do not. I agree that the PAC would never want a BYU, but let's be honest; BCS conferences are driven by money, and if they thought that having a BYU would add significant value to the conference(only an hypothetical on my part), they would be added to the conference.

    "no research whatsoever,"---You need to do some research. BYU is one of the leaders in the country in receiving grant monies for research.

  • Jared Gainesville, FL
    July 9, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Re: mgr63 "BYU is pathetic in science and classes of critical thinking." Having been at multiple universities (undergrad, grad), I've found BYU's science and critical thinking classes considerably above average. One of my main criticisms of many students I've interacted with from other universities is that they do not have as good critical thinking background as what BYU provides.

    "It is a very guarded curriculum." - I'm not sure what this means. At BYU I had classes where evolution was taught just as it would be at other universities; I had a "sex and gender" course; I had logic, physics, chemistry, linear algebra, statistics, and plenty more. So I'm not sure what you mean by guarded.

    "45 hours of religion classes is a bizarre requirement, not mainstream." You are only required 14 credit hours of religion courses. Taking courses in religion is very normal at universities, particularly private religious universities.

    "They have limited graduate programs" - this is true; BYU is primarily an undergrad institution but this is changing.

    "no research whatsoever" - far from the truth.

    "no medical school" - a lot of universities don't have medical schools, even schools in BCS conferences (e.g., UGA).

  • RationalPlease Spanish Fork, UT
    July 9, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    mgr63
    I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. Are you aware that BYU is the #2 school in the nation for its undergrads earning PhD's. And what are you basing your statement about teaching critical thinking. Based on your posts, many would conclude that you are pretty short on critical thinking yourself.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 9, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Thank you Jared. To add to the research bit, BYU is designated as a research university with high research activity by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. That is a far cry from "no research whatsoever". To name a few, they researched and developed a product that slows skin aging, and they also have developed research that generates electricity from sugar. The list goes on. 45 hours did sound like a lot of religion credits. You think I would have caught that one since I went to BYU and 2 of my kids are currently attending.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 9, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    @mgr63

    Over the last six years, when Coach Rose took over the program, BYU has posted a 159-45 record with 4 MWC championships and 2 2nd place finishes. A Sweet Sixteen finish in last season's tournament should be a springboard to continued success.

    With DeMarcus Harrison and UCLA transfer Matt Carlino coming in to fill the void left by Jimmer and Jax, along with Abouo, Rogers, C. Collinsworth, Noah Hartsock, and what looks like Brandon Davies coming back, and with Coach Rose at the helm, I see no reason why BYU shouldn't continue seeing success in the WCC and in postseason play.

    Should be fun! :)

    Go Cougars!

  • NW Coug Provo, UT
    July 9, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    Besides, its not as though BYU is coming out of nowhere academically. While they are not the cream of the academic crop (like Stanford and Yale and such) they are a better than average school in terms of overall academic strength. USnews has them ranked at #75, above other major schools like Colorado, Baylor, Michigan State, Oregon, Alabama, Auburn, Washington State, Iowa State, Missouri, TCU, Florida State, Arizona, Kansas, Utah, Tennessee, Oregon State, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Arizona State, and Texas Tech.

  • Palintram Holladay, UT
    July 9, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    BYU is competitive. Maybe not in the archaeology department, but in Football and Basketball.

  • Coug Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 10, 2011 1:24 a.m.

    @mgr63

    A little illumination about our illustrious universities.
    The Y offers 90 graduate level degrees.
    The U offers 95 graduate level degrees.

    The Y average incoming freshman GPA was 3.8, average ACT was 28.2
    The U average incoming freshman GPA was 3.4, average ACT was 23.5

    The Y ranked #2 for the most religious students - Princeton Review 2009
    The U ranked #20 for the most religious students - Princeton Review 2009

    Both universities were founded by Brigham Young.

    Personally, I think we have two marvelous universities that enhance the State of Utah. We should be proud of each other's accomplishments, and foster a congenial partnership that aids our youth in becoming successful, intelligent, and well adjusted adults.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 10, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    @mgr63

    Nice try. You float some silly comments to exacerbate your own flawed thinking about what you perceive BYU to be, when it is the exact opposite (see Coug, Jared, and others.)

    All I can say is don't flout some personal hypocrisy and try to make it sound like you weren't trying to rip on BYU.

    BYU withstands all your criticism and continues to be much better than you want it to be. IF BYU is not strong in sciences, why on earth would other universities allow them to continue on at their school with Master's and PHD's? Why do BYU students test so high on Master's and PHD entrance exams? (look it up)

    The funny thing about pointing a finger to try to "expose" someone's faults, three others are pointing back at you.

    Again, nice try, but next time, substantiate your claims before you make them.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 10, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    mgr63

    "BYU BB is gonna be iffy at best in the future."

    Before spouting off, you should have tried doing a little research.

    During the Dave Rose era:

    2006 20-9 NIT
    2007 25-9 NCAA, MWC champion
    2008 27-8 NCAA, MWC champion
    2009 25-8 NCAA, MWC champion
    2010 30-6 NCAA
    2011 32-5 NCAA, MWC champion

    Overall 159-45(77.9%)
    MWC 78-18(81.3%)

    4 of 6 MWC championships
    5 straight NCAA appearances

    10-3 versus Utah, including 9 of the last 10

    Jimmermania was huge, but Dave Rose was well on his way to building one of the best basketball programs in the west long before Jimmer started his first game at BYU.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 10, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    With each passing day it's becoming more and more obvious as to the extent of ESPN's envolvement in securing BYU's future for success. Even in what is now logically the beginning of the dispelling of the Cougars so called "move into obscurity" as many scoffers and critics dubiously reference of BYU's joining the WCC in all other sports than Football.. However...BYU... like it has previously done for the old WAC and the Mountain West will bring more national prominance to the WCC than ever seen before. Gonzaga's Elite 8 appearance in the NCAA's and thier numerous sweet 16 appearances since have already established them as a prominent National team in Basketball. BYU's current Basketball program with Dave Rose coaching will undoubtedly also add to the conference recognition as well. St Mary's program is another team enjoying a rising star profile. BYU's local westcoast draw from it's huge National fanbase alone will benefit the WCC. Just to accomodate BYU's fans will necessitate either renting larger venue's or find some way to build new and larger ones either on campus's or locally. The High School gym syndrome will not be able to continue if BYU is to stay long. ESPN's role

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 10, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Who knows... even despite Craig Thompson's tyranical hold on the MWC maybe New Mexico and UNLV might also see the light and come the WCC's way... down the road. It would definitely be finacially a better deal and geographically it would make a lot of sense. That would be awesome and definitely would make the WCC a national powerhouse conference without the overblow as most of the teams in the Big East are. The real powerhouse in basketball is and will continue to be the Big 12 and not the Beasts from the East.

  • NewMexicoUte Albuquerque, NM
    July 10, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    After reading articles like this whether or not BYU agrees with anything the paper says, I think BYU has a massive ego anyway and I think they are too good for their own good. I believe the school thinks because they are BYU that they don't need the BCS or anyone's help for national recognition. If a BCS conference were come calling, they would decline? If that is the approach they would take because of pride and the fact a BCS conference has not invited them angered them to a point that they will dictate their own destiny and show everyone what they missed out in BYU...a Mormon national audience. So be it. If that is the case, I personally hope they fall flat on their face and eat a huge piece of crow! On top of that, a "so-called" Christian school that they claim to be. If they demand respect, here is my answer to that...go to a BCS game and win it, then you will get a little respect. Go to a BCS game and not only win it, destroy a top 5 BCS team and you will get big time respect. Go UTES!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 10, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Let's be realistic New MexicoUte...BYU would have accepted an AQ invitation as well as a BCS invitation had it been extended...what it wouldn't have done is just roll over and passively accepted that the BCS had no intention of letting them play for a National Championship...That's the difference. They don't just passively disappear on command into the corner to chew on token scraps. Especially like in 2008 when Utah... probably the best team in the Nation... not only rezoundingly beat Alabama... unquestionably today the best team from the greatest conference in College football... but also stuffing Nick Sabin's vitral words that Utah didn't belong in any game with Alabama... down his own throat.

    Regardless of Utah's invitation to the PAC... BYU would have sooner and not later busted from the MWC. Broadcasting the two semi annual conferences of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir to the entire Television world were not the only priorities for the Church to locate and build the now latest up to date broadcasting facility with it's cutting edge technology that only the University of Texas can only dream of replicating... let alone out doing

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 10, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Let's just hope the Utes move on and don't play BYU after 2012, unless it is a home game only, maybe once every 5 years. I would like to see a Utah/Colorado rivalry instead. BYU and it's fans had their time, but the Utes are in the big time and we definitely don't need them whatsoever for any entertainment or otherwise. We'll have our hands full in the PAC-12 playing real universities and not some mom and pop's religious school from nowhere USA......Utah County.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 10, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    @ NewMexico Ute........I agree with you 100%.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Of greater importance, after leaving BYU and attending an Ivy League graduate program, I found my BYU education was equal to any of my colleagues from the "elite" schools. Thanks BYU. Sports? They're nice, but not the substance of life.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 10, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    mgr63

    "Let's just hope the Utes move on and don't play BYU after 2012,..."

    lol

    You do realize that you're posting this on a BYU article about the WCC a year after U supposedly "moved on", don't U?

    The very fact that mgr63, NewMexicoUte and the other usual suspects are still spamming BYU articles is proof that Colorado will never be anything more than a traveling partner for U. The truth is, U wouldn't know what to do with yourselves if BYU stopped scheduling U. Playing BYU is what U live for.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 10, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    "but the Utes are in the big time and we definitely don't need them whatsoever for any entertainment or otherwise. We'll have our hands full in the PAC-12 playing real universities and not some mom and pop's religious school from nowhere USA......Utah County."

    mgr63,
    And NewMexyewt thinks the folks at BYU have an ego? Ironic comment since you have been the one posting your made up lies on a story about BYU.

    Newmexyewt,
    Have you met anyone in BYU's athletic department? If you spent 5 minutes with anyone in that department , the last word that would come to your mind would be "ego". Try not to pass judgement on people you have never met, it tends to destroy any credibility that you might have.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 10, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    I will say this about BYU though. I'm a sports photog and I shot a football game at BYU last year. I couldn't have been treated better. The media people at BYU are fabulous and everything was top notch......except I wished they had real diet coke.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 10, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    mgr63 and NewMexicoUte
    You two do realize that together you represent about 10% of Utah's National fan base outside of Utah... and for someone so glad to be leaving you can't seem to let go. Whether you want to admit it or not... it's pretty obvious that you both are going to have problems being weaned from the annual meeting....which will out of necessity for Utah... will go on. Especially you mgr63. Your postings alone on this BYU/WCC article alone exceed 30%...Good luck in the big time...where it's going to be a lot more looking up than ever looking down. Get used to forever wishing your seasons were over and the constant reminder of hope in knowing that there is always next year.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 10, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    @ Where's Stock
    You do realize that we are 1 ten millionth of the football fans that can't stand BYU and their goofy fans.......the nation's most despised school by far. that may be a more important factor Stock?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 10, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    "Let's just hope the Utes move on and don't play BYU after 2012, unless it is a home game only, maybe once every 5 years."

    Yeah, Utah can't afford to play a tough OOC game, where they risk the chance of losing. Like many other BCS teams, Utah starts needing to schedule weak division II teams rather than risk their record with a good team like BYU.

    Some would call it "moving on". Others would call it cowardice. BYU has no fear scheduling Utah. Bring it on!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 10, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    I'm not sure the WCC would invite NM or UNLV. Like BYU is not a cultural fit for the PAC, NM and UNLV would not fit in with the culture of private religious schools. BYU is unique in that its size dwarfs the other schools, but I don't see the WCC expanding to include teams like that.

    However, unlike the BYU/PAC case, the WCC isn't necessarily discrimatory toward UNLV and New Mexico, so it's a possibility.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 10, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    BYU will be announcing the remainder of their 2012 football opponents in the next two weeks. Expect another big name or two.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 10, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    Where's Stockton ? said:

    "Regardless of Utah's invitation to the PAC... BYU would have sooner and not later busted from the MWC. Broadcasting the two semi annual conferences of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir to the entire Television world were not the only priorities for the Church to locate and build the now latest up to date broadcasting facility with it's cutting edge technology that only the University of Texas can only dream of replicating... let alone out doing"

    Right. And why would Texas dream of replicating its broadcasting to begin with? UT is not a religious institution.
    BYU does not have the monopoly on cutting edge technology either.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    mgr63
    Oh I don't think the Cougar Nation will miss a beat with losing Utah to the PAC. The majic bus ride for you utey's will after Montana State pancake into sold rock the moment the Utes step on the field at Memorial Collosium Sept 10th. Wynn is going to be getting real up close personal attention from a higher level of talent he's never experienced before. From guys like DT George Uko who plays great from either DT position, along with DE's Devin Kinnard and Nick Perry... probably the second best D line combo in the nation after Alabama's... and if Wynn is able to get an open window... it's going to be a frantic last second wingshot along with a prayer and him closing his eyes hoping for a lot of luck getthing the ball off and past past the blitzing linebackers that will be creaming him all day long....especially Chris Galippo whose now healthier than ever and had an awsome spring session and spring game. And forget Langhi and the ground attack it will be nonexistant. Better hope his blocking skills are up to snuff...he'll be plenty busy just for that skill alone.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    RivertonCougar
    You're right I'm sure.. for now anyways...but you do have to admit that it does have a ring of logic and makes for an interesting side bar conversation while we wait out the remaining few weeks for football...which for both UNLV and New Mexico are not thier moneymakers. It takes a lot of money these days for universities to even survive....There may come a time where even the Baskeball oriented WCC and thier Jesuit internal workings might have to find ways to suppliment...so who knows.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 11, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    Howard S:

    The PAC 10.1.1 reminds me of a friend of mine...

    A decent guy who was excited to marry a girl who was known to everyone (but him) as self-centered, high maintenance, and attention hungry.

    Out of respect no one warned him, he thought he was in love and he wouldn't have listened anyway.

    As expected... when the honeymoon was over, my friend regretted his decision and regrets it to this day.

    I wish the PAC 10.1.1 the best... but this is not going to turn out well.

    (thanks for helping with my thesis)

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 11, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    @mgr63

    Why are Utah fans still be spamming BYU blogs if the Utes have supposedly "moved on" and Colorado is now Utah's rival?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    BYU is in Utah's rear view mirror at this point. We have been accepted to probably the finest conference in the world.......unreal learning institutions with a very socially responsible world view and has performed in athletics in every sport to the highest degree. Although my beloved Utes have their hands full as they try to compete in such a great situation, there is little doubt that Utah as a learning institution doesn't fit in CURRENTLY within such expectations of the PAC-12 conference. Utah got the call and BYU didn't......hence them scrambling for whatever they could get. If BYU was a reputable learning institution and not a cultivator of narrow LDS beliefs, I believe that maybe one BCS conference would have returned their desperate inquiries after Utah hit the jackpot. But, it didn't happen.....rightfully so.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Hootie in the Night.

    Dude... in Texas Football is a religion.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    @musingaround

    Why do the fragile cougar hopefuls, are so meek and cannot do anything but whine? We speak to rebut all the ridiculous spew that BYU fans invent on an every day basis. It is great entertainment to do so as I see it. If LDS dudes were that convincing......things would be WAY different in this world.......true? But, they have proven not to be every darn day. It is hilarious to watch it go down. Maybe, just maybe, you'll gain more respect if you consider other people's feelings first. However, that would be a giant "accommodation" that would never be afforded to the gentiles......and that is the primary reason for why......? I'll let you folks answer "why."

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    mgr63

    You're getting way ahead of yourself there mgr. The SEC followed by the the B12 are so ahead of the PAC it isn't even funny anymore...Nice try but it isn't real... even the mediocre B10 upgraded a class above the PAC by stealing Nebraska away and the B12 ridding itself of Colorado. The only AQ's that are at lower performance levels are the ACC and especially the so called Big EAST which in football will soon be dominated by TCU. TCU will reach the level only Utah can dream of a whole lot faster than the Utes will.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 11, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    @mgr63

    Well let's see if you can post the same stuff another 200-300 times over the next couple of days. Who is it you are trying to convince with your "facts"?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    TCU is the real deal! I love their program! The Big East wads lucky to get them.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    @mgr63
    Dude... Utey's have been saying that BYU's been in thier rearview mirror since day one of Larry Scott's folly. In case you have forgotten... Fleischmann and his cohart's big cold fusion bust on the U of U research front has still left the university smoking only a big pickle that even a Nobel can't extinguish. If you're waiting for something in research on the physics front to finally take you anywhere at warp speed then good luck sitting in that starship that's never leaving. Meanwhile BYU will continue walking away on it's own power while the utes stare into a static rearview mirror.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    mgr63
    Like I said... Utah's contingency of National fans outside of Utah doesn't carry a whole lot of weight when you and about a couple dozen others is all there realistically is out there.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Hey Stock, say whatever you like.....BYU hasn't won on the big stage in any sport for so long it really deems them redundant. Their BB team is a joke, has been for 30 years....other than Jimmer this year. BYU can't beat anybody of note on the road in football and has never received a BCS bowl bid? Honestly, what has BYU done? They did not get a BCS call back and they bugged everybody all day after Utah went to the PAC-12.......never to be even acknowledged. They ink a deal with ESPN because millions wanna see them lose.......what else is there? Anybody can print a preseason NC t-shirt......BYU is the only school I know of that does and actually believes it......until reality changes things...... then they saunter off for about 10 minutes before they invent another ridiculous hypothetical achievement. What a darn joke.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 11, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Tom in CA@ 8:11 a.m.

    "thanks for helping with my thesis"
    *****

    If you want another original thought for your thesis perhaps you could borrow a quarter, go out on the street and buy one from the first indigent person you see.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Hey Stock, what makes BYU marketable to ESPN is NOT how many fans they have.......maybe 2 million at most, at most that is, but the entire country that despises them that will tune in to watch them hopefully lose. Maybe you oughta check out the ESPN boards and read what thousands and thousands of posters on those threads say about BYU and the LDS folks.....you should. I bet Utah maybe has that many fans.........certainly people don't hate the Utes other than the zanies of YBU.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 11, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    "Most people, especially on the east coast probably couldn't name the conference Gonzaga is in. "

    Nikon,

    You nailed it. People on the east coast have finally now (after a decade of success) taking Gonzaga as the real deal. But no one...I mean NO ONE knows what conference they come from. The general rule ( east coast) is if you're not in the PAC then you must be a WAC.

    ---
    Which makes Utah's losses to WCC teams last year look even more pathetic.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 11, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    @mgr63

    If you've really "moved on", then go away.

    It's not BYU's fault that the Utes got invited to the big boys club, and then were told to sit at the rickety VERSUS table, while the real big boys of the conference play on ABC/ESPN.

    Just be grateful that BYU kept U on their schedule so U could play on ESPN at least once this year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 11, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    @mgr63

    You are a credit to the university of utah and utah "fans" everywhere. Please continue reminding us, ad nauseum I might add, why Max hall was absolutely correct.

    To the utah fans on here that are decent folks remember this is why your fanbase is considered classless. Those of you that are LDS and tolerate or ignore this sort of utah "fan" remember that even though you are not responsible for individuals like this, we are all responsible for ourselves, that you are no better than the rest of us "Mormons" in mgr's eyes. This is your fellow fan, he represents you while being bigoted towards you. This is part of the reason the utah fanbase is a tenuous one at best, this uneasy tolerence by the najority of you of the bigotry of a large segment of the minority is a very interesting thing to observe.

    I find it interesting that you tolerate this simply so you can have a few more fans in your stadium.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    "what makes BYU marketable to ESPN is NOT how many fans they have..."

    It's how many nationwide fans AND the exciting brand of football BYU has been putting on the field since the 70's. Unlike our flash-in-the-pan friends on the hill, BYU has a nationally recognized brand that has been built on decades of football excellence.

    What irks the kids up north is just when they thought they'd left BYU in their dust, BYU trumped their ace by going independent and signing an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN, something Utah could never have done.

    That's why the kids are still hanging around BYU blogs trying to convince everyone that Utah is also a nationally recognized brand, when in fact, after reaching their high-water mark in the Sugar Bowl, the Utes are sinking back to their regional market roots -- hence VERSUS and FOX Regional instead of ESPN.

    Utah fans will be left to crow about how much money the Utes are getting from the PAC 12, and how good their conference is, because their football program and certainly their basketball program won't be much to crow about.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    "what makes BYU marketable to ESPN is NOT how many fans they have.......maybe 2 million at most, at most that is, but the entire country that despises them that will tune in to watch them hopefully lose. Maybe you oughta check out the ESPN boards and read what thousands and thousands of posters on those threads say about BYU and the LDS folks..."

    I read ESPN all the time, and yes, the country is full of small-minded bigots like yourself. Personally I cant see why DesNews continues to allow you to spew your hate on this message board in clear violation of the stated usage conditions. At any rate, for every anti-LDS bigot like yourself, there are an equal if not greater number of non-LDS people who admire what BYU stands for and the way they have stuck to their principles while the rest of college athletics is going the way of the corrupt BCS like USC and Ohio State. BYU is attracting more non-LDS athletes than ever because of its values and what it stands for.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    mgr63

    ...That's because outside of 2004 and 2008 few have heard of the utes... and if the ESPN antiBYU fanbase that you speak of is so credible then obviously they'll be watching what BYU does won't they...so exposure will still be forthcoming won't it??? Hate is a heated to redhot two edged sword and most people like yourself can't handle it....It's obvious from you're vindictive ascertacious level of discussion here that you have tried too hard and been burned on many occasions on your comments on these DNews Blogs... comments that would no doubt be lowered to verbage unsuitable and to the extreme if this were any other blog but the DNews...so with that in mind being hated as much as an Ohio State or a Notre Dame or a USC would put us in good company. I'd rather the Y be an object of hate for it's consistant athletic prowse than be an occasionally show upity or Johnny come lately who suddenly trips over the cuffs of pants that are too big for themselves and falls flat on thier face and becomes the laughing stock over night.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Duckhunter and RepresentBlue

    Unfortunately, you've hit on a sore subject for many Utah fans, the very large and very vocal crowd of religious bigots that purport to represent the views of all Utah fans. They're an embarrassment to what the UofU stands for, which is in many ways very similar to the values openly declared by BYU, but more subtley adhered to by Utah.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    mgr 63 wrote:

    We speak to rebut all the ridiculous spew that BYU fans invent on an every day basis. It is great entertainment to do so as I see it. If LDS dudes were that convincing......things would be WAY different in this world.......true? But, they have proven not to be every darn day. It is hilarious to watch it go down.

    ------

    Maybe if you were more convincing, you would change the minds of BYU fans/posters on this article. Kind of hilarious to watch it go gown.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    I have a good friend who spent last year in a doctoral candidate exchange program at Cal. What he learned during his tenure at Cal may shock some of the BYU-hating, anti-LDS fans in the Utah fanbase. The majority of Cal students he observed consider Utah AS MUCH of a Mormon school as they do BYU. In fact, he wouldn't be a bit surprised to hear anti-Mormon slurs being directed at Utah athletes when Utah visits Cal.

    It'll be interesting to see how the anti-LDS Utah fans react when the tables are turned on them.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    I agree Trueblue. Utah in general, as a state, is disliked because of radical Mormons, their social values, interference of societal progress and freedom for all. Why don't you think one Fortune 500 company ever headquartered in Utah? It isn't any mistake. I went to the U of U and the U of Hawaii.......a big difference. i can see how any school, such as Cal would stereotype the U of U......sadly.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    @Ufan

    The UofU is a great institution and I give them props for what they have accomplished on the field. I do not think mgr63 represents all Ute fans, nor do I echo the infamous sentiments of a certain person who played QB for BYU recently. I live in Salt Lake county and half of my LDS ward consists of die-hard Ute fans who are faithful and devoted members of the church whom I love dearly. It is so very unfortunate then that there are so many Ute fans whose primary reason for hating BYU is because it represents the LDS faith, a faith that is shared by half of their own fellow fans and half of the UofU student body, as well as their beloved head football coach. It is strange and sad to observe, and perhaps it is a good thing that both schools have gone their separate ways but something tells me it will do little to stop that large segment of Ute fans from obsessing about BYU and spending all their time on BYU articles to spew their hate.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 11, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    mgr63

    The "radical" Mormons you speak of a few and far between. Most people who dislike Mormons do so more out of a lack of understanding of true Mormon beliefs. All they know is the twisted views of Mormon beliefs that they've been told by Mormon haters like yourself who should know better.

    I can think of several Fortune 500 companies that are run by Mormon businessmen who are widely respected in the business community. Where those companies are located has nothing to do with avoiding any association with Mormons.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    mgr63

    What a stretch... can't keep pace with a rearview mirror discussion on sports in an article that has nothing to do with the University of Utah in the first place and now you have to resort to stating that the state of Utah as harboring radicalism in the state by Mormons who according to an individual who can't verbally keep any credible discussion going without being knocked off his soapbox. At least in the state of Utah we don't kill our presidents and send our local parking lot paving companies off to southeast or southwest asia with no bid Government Defense contracts to supposedly reconstruct everything after wrongfully using our military to blow countries apart for what's been the other lifeblood of the Dallas/FT Worth area for years...Oil!

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    July 11, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    @mgr63

    "i can see how any school, such as Cal would stereotype the U of U......sadly"

    What you don't seem to be able to see is how you are stereotyping an entire state and an entire religion because of your own religious bigotry. It's interesting how fighting to preserve centuries-old traditional family values is now being spun as "interference of societal progress".

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Hey folks, I've tried to respond but my rebuttals are not being posted?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 11, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    It'll be interesting to see the differences in the secular PAC 12 versus the religious WCC. If getting to the NCAA tournament is the primary goal anyway, maybe being in conference that is more culturally aligned with BYU's standards will be better for the Cougars in the long run. Basketball is a different animal than football. The artificial ceilings that exist in football because of the BCS, don't exist in basketball. As Butler proved the last two years, it doesn't matter what conference you play in if you're good enough to compete with the best.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 11, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    mgr
    That's because this isn't either ESPN or a Yahoo blog where any fool can make an even bigger fool of himself by leading a discussion away from what you yourself termed a rearview mirror look at BYU's athletic program then pitifully trying to turn it into his own soapbox for mouthing his hate and religious biggotry for whatever miniscule social agenda you really crave to bring up. So if you can't keep up verbally about BYU sports even in a context that includes the Utes sports climate without resorting to turning the discussion political then maybe you should find another forum that fits your limitations...capabilities and your agenda. You certainly aren't holding your own here.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 11, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    mgr63

    "I've tried to respond but my rebuttals are not being posted?"

    Wow, 16 posts (and counting) on one article from a blogger we're never heard from before. But in the final analysis, you revealed yourself in your very first post and simply added more to the growing body of evidence that many Utah fans are simply BYU-haters who hate BYU because of its association with the LDS church.

    "BYU should be happy with whatever they get at this point unless they want to dramatically change the curriculum and make some efforts to be more mainstream in their social views."

    When U have a fanbase that is comprised of many fans who aren't really Utah fans, but are simply BYU haters, you have a very lukewarm fan base. It's interesting, then, when such "fans" call for Utah to move on and stop playing BYU, when the only reason for them being Utah fans in the first place is because they hate BYU.

  • showmeyatd's Pleasant View, Utah
    July 11, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Like all the Trolls have said.. East Coasters don't even know which conference they are in. So what does it matter if BYU is in the WCC. All that matters is they know who BYU is. Jimmer put us on the map and were a house hold name for Basketball. We will just use the WCC as a stepping stone to propel us to a higher seed in the NCAA tournament. BYU will play in tons of invitationals on ESPN. If we have a good team then we will have every opportunity that we had in the mountain west. Gonzaga has had more success than any team in the Mountain West anyways. Go look at Gonzaga's schedule from last year and then try to convince me the mountain west is better. BYU will get more respect now that they will get exposure. No more fuzzy games on the Mtn. where I couldn't tell which team was which. I love the move and all of you will see it pay off soon. The only way it would be not worth it is if we were leaving a big conference like the SEC or ACC. Mid to Mid is fine.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 11, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Nice to see BYU fans aspire to only make it past the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.
    Because that is exactly what you are doing by talking about Gonzaga. Conference titles and higher seeds mean nothing if you don't win in March.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    BYU has 3 wins in their last 10 invites to the NCAA tourney......all with Fredette. Now what BYU? You have one magician every 30 years........Ainge being the last before Jimmer?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 11, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    Utah fans should worry about the Utes aspiring just to make it to the NCAA before worrying about how far BYU fans hope to see the Cougars advance.

    We all know that BYU fans had much higher expectations than simply the Sweet Sixteen before BYU lost its only inside scoring threat.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    @mgr63

    Oooo, burn, you sure told us (roll my eyes).

    I like to look at it this way. BYU has 3 invitations to the last 3 NCAA tournaments...3 more than Utah has received.

    BYU also has 3 wins over their last 3 trips to the tournament...3 more wins than Utah has.

    BYU has Coach Rose. Utah has...well, 'nuff said.

    Go Cougars!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 11, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    Truecoug........Utah during fat boy's reign was great...........your memory is sure short, except for 1984 of course. BYU hoops has been horrific, then you finally got a good coach and one NBA caliber player and you won a few games. But, what talent will be attending BYU after Jimmer? And, do you think you'll win anymore NCAA tourney games? Utah will get back on track in a few years......no worries.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    @mgr63 "But, what talent will be attending BYU after Jimmer?"

    I dunno, we've got this 3 star guard coming in who can jump over guys to dunk it (DeMarcus Harrison) and a 4 star transfer guard from UCLA who will be eligible to play for us in December (Matt Carlino).

    Just to make it clear, that's a player that actually transferred TO BYU, not transferred OUT, like you're used to seeing at Utah.

    Those guys, along with Abouo, Rogers, C. Collinsworth, Anson Winder, and a returning Brandon Davies (who some scouts have said has more NBA talent than the Jimmer) should keep us winning in the NCAA for years to come.

    BYU hoops was pretty bad after the Ainge days and before the Steve Cleveland days and U basketball was pretty dang good under "the fat man". Unfortunately for Ute fans, and it's something they can't seem to accept, their horrific basketball days are right now, while BYU under Dave Rose has been fantastic!

    You know something's wrong when the equivalent of two basketball teams transfers from your school in the space of two years. So best of luck to Coach K. Jr...he'll need it.

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 11, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    truecoug1 said:

    "Oooo, burn, you sure told us (roll my eyes).

    I like to look at it this way. BYU has 3 invitations to the last 3 NCAA tournaments...3 more than Utah has received.

    BYU also has 3 wins over their last 3 trips to the tournament...3 more wins than Utah has.

    BYU has Coach Rose. Utah has...well, 'nuff said."

    LOL!!!!

    You and phoenix just proved my point! One trip to the sweet 16 and you are world beaters! The rest of the time its same as usual, an early exit from the NCAA tournament. It does not mean anything how many times you get into the tournament if you lose early like BYU and Gonzaga have done continually.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    mgr63

    except for 1984 of course. BYU hoops has been horrific

    Actually, the year you're looking for is 1981, but, if BYU basketball has been "horrific" since Danny Ainge led BYU to the Elite Eight in 1981, how do you explain all of these?

    BYU Conference Players of the Year
    Devin Durrant (1983)
    Timo Saarelainen (1985)
    Michael Smith (1988)
    Mekeli Wesley (2001)
    Rafael Ara├║jo (2004)
    Keena Young (2007)
    Lee Cummard (2008)
    Jimmer Fredette (2011)

    20+ win seasons
    1984, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

    Conference regular season champions
    1983, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 2001, 2003 , 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011

    Conference tournament champions
    1991, 1992, 2001

    NCAA Tournament appearances
    1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

    NCAA Round of 32 appearances
    1984, 1988, 1991, 1993, 2010, 2011

    Nobody can logically argue that a 20+ win season, a conference championship, an NCAA tournament berth, or a conference player of the year award results from a team having a "horrific season".

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 11, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    @Ufan

    You know some good comes from this. For one I realize there are a good portion of Utah fans, like yourself, that dislike the things a segment of the Utah fanbase, as represented by mgr and some of the other Utah fans on here, say and do. I've been a contributor to the vitriol myself on these boards but it is limited to standard fan bantering about "who is better" and "who is more respected" blah, blah, blah. But the things represented by mgr and company are definately at another level.

    Anyway thanks for being one of the good guys and for the guys like you, pocyute, Mormon Ute, and several others I wish you guys good luck in the PAC12. Sadly I can't say the same for guys like mgr, howie, wedgie, etc.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 11, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    mgr63: "Hey folks, I've tried to respond but my rebuttals are not being posted?"

    Thank you Deseret News and keep up the good work! I've rarely had any posts denied, but some of the ones I have been responding to mgr63's unwarranted attacks on the LDS Church and its flagship university have been rejected. Please help in keeping needless hatred spewing away from these boards. A good banter is enjoyable, but nobody enjoys these anti-Mormon rants. Thanks!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "One trip to the sweet 16 and you are world beaters! The rest of the time its same as usual, an early exit from the NCAA tournament."

    ?? When did I say we were world beaters? I was pointing out to mjr that we've had 3 wins in the NCAA tournament over the last three years, which is more than Utah can say, since they didn't even make the tourney.

    We're not world beaters for doing that, but we're definitely Utah beaters :)

    Sorry if that's frustrating to you, NightOwl, but that's usually the way it is as a Ute fan.

    Go Cougars!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 2:50 a.m.

    @rivertoncoug,

    I was referring to "the date," 1984, which burns the fire in every cougar belly and always will........the year they won the NC in football. Every cougar relishes in that year and NEVER forgets it........that was my point to truecoug1 and not a date of note as it relates to basketball.... which was the topic we were discussing as you know. cheers!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    @truecoug1

    I tried four times to respond......I simply can't believe that they denied posting my response back to you.......they were positive 100%. Oh well.....Have a great day sir! Cheers, Michael.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 12, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    To all the Cougar fans, I know quite a few of you have taken offense to some of the things I've posted. It is NOT my intention to Mormon bash, however I point out views, which I believe, to be factors for consideration. Yes, there is vitriol and venom in some of my comments, which is inappropriate I agree. I am no bully folks, and the reason I choose to participate on the D News boards is because I get fatigued by people piling up on Mormons and/or BYU for just the sake of being mean. Plus, most know next to nothing about Mormons, some do. I, however, have a very Mormon last name and my entire family were settlers of the Utah Territory. I grew up in SLC, lived there for 33 years, played golf for the U of Hawaii and competed against BYU in the WAC. So, I know quite a bit. Yes, I despise BYU and what it stands for, but I would rather come into your arena and debate than join a crowd that needlessly, ruthlessly attacks you people. Fair enough folks? Cheers!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    @mgr63

    Obviously it's completely fair. I like your posts, mgr...smack talk is all part of the fun in competitive athletics.

    My one question on something you said ("Yes, I despise BYU and what it stands for") is simply, why?