'Indeed, the video shows Ferguson going around asking people about lesser-known
Mormon beliefs and having a good laugh at the faith of GOP Presidential hopeful
Mitt Romney.' - Article Can someone please explain to me WHY Mormons
support the Republican party again?
They can do this because unlike other religions and groups we have enough
tollerance to let people say it. I can't think of another religion
that would allow this kind of speech without it's own massive counter-punch. I
think that speaks volumes about the LDS leadership and faith.
It will be interesting to see how Utah votes if Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin
are the GOP candidate for President. Both are strong Evangelicals who oppose
Mormonism and treat it as a non-Christian cult.
Pagan--No, I seriously doubt it. You'd have to have a fairly open
mind for that to happen.
Re:PaganWhile your question likely is rhetorical and is probably not
asked in sincerity, it is worth answering. My answer only indicates
my own leanings and is certainly not intended to speak for the LDS community as
a whole. My answer also is hedged in the knowledge that there is hypocrisy
within the party. There is hypocrisy within all the parties. Also, my answer
does not reflect a hard-line "all things Republican" stance.The reasons that I am a LDS member registered as a Republican are as
follows:- Republicans typically are pro-life-
Republicans typically support a traditional definition of marriage-
Republicans typically support self-sufficiency and individual achievement - Republicans typically support private ownership and accountability
over state ownership and accountability.- Republicans typically
believe that the constitution is a static document rather than a mutable dynamic
document.This is not to say that I could not compile a list of
admirable ideals and qualities of the Democratic Party, it is simply that when
weighed in the balance, for me, the Republican Party is more in line with my
personal values and beliefs.Thanks for asking.
Tell me, does the Deseret News employ interns to sit there all day and scan the
internet for new content that makes fun of the LDS Church? I swear there's not
a day that goes by without some blurb here pointing to some news organization
somewhere in the world that has something negative to say about Mormons.
Ok I'll get out the violin.
Mormons support Republicans because the moral and fiscal policy of republicans
is more closely aligned with our beliefs. I realize that not all mormons are
republican. (see Harry Reid among others)
@ Pagan, sorry I cannot answer your question on these boards. I am LDS and do
not support the Republican party. I have learned to think for myself and not
blindly follow what seems to be the prevailing opinion of the LDS culture, as
opposed to the gospel of the church.
Maybe he should now come to Salt Lake and ask us Mormons what Evangelicals
believe in and you might get some funny responses. After that lets see how
Evangelicals react compared to LDS members. I could tell you right now, they
would be up in arms furious that those things were said, they then would demand
apologies. Anyways mocking is nothing new for LDS members. Things like
this only leads more people to investigate the church themselves.
@Brave Sir RobinYou and I both read the article ... only when we
stop clicking on these "blurbs" about Mormons will the Deseret News
stop reporting on them. I for one like to know what's being said.
'Because public opinion polls show a greater anti-Mormon bias amongst Democrats
than Republicans: 27% v. 18% saying they would not vote for a Mormon.' - Counter
Intelligence | 4:11 p.m. Source?
"Maybe he should now come to Salt Lake and ask us Mormons what Evangelicals
believe in and you might get some funny responses."Good point.
For example, I think the belief that you can sin as much as you want, but if you
merely say Jesus is your savior, you will be saved is kind of an absurd belief.
Same with the idea that God created everything out of nothing, or that anything
God will ever say is in the Bible. Or that salvation consist of an eternity of
contemplating the face of God, which doesn't just seem absurd, but rather
extremely boring and something I would not want to sign up for.
"Can someone please explain to me WHY Mormons support the Republican party
again?"That would be becaue they are under the delusion, or at
least they want to believe, that the Republican Party is somehow better than the
Pagan:Gallup Poll, published June 20, 2011. Not too hard to find.
Image two thousand years ago hearing that a virgin had a baby and that a dead
man came back to life-------now that is craziness-----but now-a-days it is not
so far fetched----with 2 billion people believing it. With God anything is
possible. I think many evangelicals (including Ferguson) are so bored with
the idea of faith and repentance, that they have to dwell on armageddon and
Israel and nuclear war and politics and yet when they hear a person can
"get their own planet" they want to dwell on that, instead of faith
and repentance. Evangelicals need to get some curiosity and think outside the
box and question things more: if the garden of Eden was not in Missouri, where
was it? If we find out it was in India or Africa, it really doesn't matter to
me where it was; why dwell on that??? Evangelicals themselves believe in
America being a part Biblical prophecy as much as anyone, so why not Missouri???
At what point does the LDS church finally throw a counter punch? Can you
imagine if a reporter went around making fun of Jewish beliefs? It's time for
our church leaders to play hardball and stop letting the media get away with
their bigoted rhetoric. We look like a bunch of pansies.
@ Pagan and Independent,Please go back and re-read Grundle's post.
I think he answered the question quite beautifully. He gave precisely the same
reasons why this Mormon is now leaning republican. Sad to admit but the
Democratic Party is no longer the same one I used to believe in. More and more
it's far left leaning liberal wing is taking over and it's becoming more and
more like a socialist party than true democratic.Now there's a lot
about the Republican Party that I don't like either, like it's extreme right
wing evangelical base that hates everything Mormon, but all in all, their core
values are much more aligned with my beliefs and that of the faith that I follow
as pointed out clearly by Grundle. If we vote with our hearts and be
at peace with ourselves, then that's a wonderful thing, even if we disagree.
All the vicious attacks on each other is just a senseless waste of time and
energy. Peace and love!!!
@GrundleLike you, my response is my own views and does not represent
the church. I tend to support the Democratic Party over the GOP because:Pro choice--Free Agency is a keystone to the LDS religion. I don't like
the government making the decision for women and their bodies You cannot force
morality. Lucifer tried...and we all know where that got him.While
I have my beliefs on marriage, I don't like to see others forced to the shadows
or treated as second-class citizens. Their choice does not affect my life. I
know of more straight marriages that are a drain on society. Church and State
being separate, churches will not be forced to recognize marriages or perform
them.The Church has a strong welfare program. Helping the less
fortunate is a strong measure of a nation's values. In serving others, we help
ourselves as well.Democrats believe in Government to regulate
business. Unregulated business is what led to the Wall Street collapse, etc.Democrats believe the founding fathers realized they could not forsee
all problems and made the process to amend the Constitution, etc.I
think your views are admirable, just wanted to show my side.
Most Mormons support the Republican Party because is much more closely aligned
with LDS principles than the Democrat Party. The vast majority of Mormons don't
have any trouble discerning that. Unforunately, there are still a few who don't
seem to get it.
Wildcat, how do reconcile your beliefs on abortion and same sex marriage when
the leaders you sustain come out and explicitly exhort you to oppose them? I
don't get it. Does the doctrine of agency come into play when it comes to taxes
and social welfare programs?
I always wondered if my evangelical friends believe in the resurrected Lord. I
mean, if they believe Christ took up his body of flesh and bone from the grave
on that Easter morning, but now He is only a spirit being, where did He leave
"Fools mock but they shall mourn..."
@IndependentI could choose not to pay taxes or social welfare, that
is my agency (which has consequences), but I believe in the 12th article of
faith, "in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in
obeying, honoring and sustaing the law. I also believe in the new testament
when Jesus was being tested by a Pharisee and said "Render unto Caesar what
is Caesar's".As far as the abortion and marriage issue go, I
believe Thomas S. Monson made a statement supporting civil unions. I believe
any couple should have the rights and benefits of State. It doesn't mean that
the church has to recognize it or perform marriages, which I believe they should
not have to with the principle of separation of Church and State.I
believe the church's stance is no abortion except in terms of rape, incest, and
health of the mother, that isn't hard-line Pro Life. Do you really want the
government making that call, or do you trust the woman to make the decision over
her body.I reconcile my beliefs just fine. Thank you.
I'm thinking the "If he is a good person, Romney is going to get his own
planet" might be a statement that creates more questions. Thus, a need for
My daddy always told me, the higher up the ladder you go, the more lonely it
gets. If people didnt care, they wouldnt care to comment on the lds.
Attention LDS people out there: there are other choices besides the (R's) and
(D's). You can independent, you can be libertarian, green, socialist worker,
perhaps even communist.
@CatsThe vast majority of Mormons don't care about Republican or
Democratic views as the majority of Mormons live outside the U.S.Thank you for your praise--I don't have to be like most Mormons (nor want to
be to other's definition). I have my reasons for my political views and I
believe no one Party owns the church's views. I believe the Church feels the
same way as they issue a political neutrality statement every year. I have my
reasons and you have yours. I guess we can agree to disagree. Let
me leave you with a few thoughts to support my views. Jesus never asked for
proof of insurance before he healed, never supported the money changers over
people, never preached of trickle-down economics, believed in welfare and in
helping those less fortunate, did not make public displays of morality for the
sake of appearance like the Pharisees, was no respecter of persons, believed in
supporting government, did not condemn others (the adulterer caught in the act),
was a community organizer (12 apostles), probably believed in Unions as he was a
carpenter, etc.I state these to show the other side may have some
After watching the video clips Pagan indeed asks the proper question? Why would
anyone that is LDS want to be in the same political party as these people?
Grundle - very nicely said. And Wildcat, well put too.I deeply
respect people who understand it is a balance, and that both parties have their
issues, hence the fact that both parties are loosing members, and those
classifying themselves as Independent is not the most influential voting block.
Anyone who votes party line, and doesn't acknowledge differences with a party
line are people who have lost their capacity to think independently. No
reasonable person agrees with anyone one else on all things.Good
discussion....As for me, the questions were distorted, therefor the
distorted answers. I wouldn't put too much weight in anything like this report
- and for the most part, it was reasonably fair.
Mormon doctrine does NOT specifically say you will get your own planet,however as sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father we can inherit all
our father has, even becoming like our Father in heaven,even able to
create planets,it's very logical and sound,so a getting
your own planet is thinking rather small.
Re:WildcatI think you beautifully illustrated my point about the
admirable ideals and values of the Democratic Party by associating some of our
shared core beliefs with your political beliefs.I took from your
post that you value free agency and how you believe that is reflected in the
pro-choice and same-sex marriage issues. You also mentioned the welfare program
and how that ties in with your values of helping the less fortunate. You also
recognize the weaknesses of the free-market system (greed) and the need to
mitigate those weaknesses. In all of these values we are kindred spirits.
Perhaps that is why we are both attracted to the same gospel.We may
not necessarily agree on how these ideals translate to government policy but we
do share the same values.Thank you for your kind words!
@ Wildcat 5:35 I must point out an error in your post. The wall street
collapse was not caused by unregulated business. It was caused by #1 9-11 and #2
the collapse of the housing market. 9-11 would have been easy enough to
rebound from if the housing market had not compounded the problem several years
later.The housing market bubble was cause by liberal political pressure on
banks to give unwise loans to other people. Clinton started the ludicrous idea
that everyone should own a home regardless of one's ability to make payments.
Bush had neither the time (9-11) nor the guts to stop it from happening, and
Obama has only bailed out and supported Fannie and Freddie for what they did. It
was the government that did this to us can't you see that?
I am really tired of hearing this twist on LDS doctrine - "get their own
planet." This kid Ferguson has picked up on some cynical explanation of
doctrine that has been completely pulled out of context for the single purpose
of spinning it as a "fools belief." The "planet" statement
is a manipulative and condescending statement devised for blatant prejudicial
purposes. It is inappropriate for the political discussions at hand, and its
use is hypocritical on the part of those that employ such tactics. Ferguson's
antics on the street were transparent and ignorant. A real journalist would do
his research to truly understand the LDS doctrine of salvation and eternal
progression. My question for Ferguson is "what will you be doing should
you "go to heaven." Practiced the harp lately?
I have listened to and endured the comments of anti Mormons since junior high.
It hurt and first and I couldn't understand why people, some of my classmates,
would try to tell my friends that Mormons believed that the Indians came to
America in submarines. Or that somebody's great-grandmother jumped out of the
temple and swam to safety across the Great Salt Lake. The methods haven't
changed. I liked Huckabee until he made is mocking anti Mormon jab. Some
people thought it was funny, I suppose. But, belittling or mocking another's
religion is never kind or funny, it's just mean. And unchristian. Those that
do it are revealing something very uncomplimentary about their character.The Mormons won't hit back. They are true Christians and will not sink
to that behavior. But, others will continue to mock them and persecute them and
say all manner of evil against them falsely just as Jesus said they would.
We'll be blessed for just being patient and striving to live the way Christ
would have us live.
@ wildcat 7:07Okay did you giggle as you wrote that because I seriously
let out a nervous laugh as I read it.Unions in ancient Israel? Seriously?
Community organizer? And I take issue with the welfare comment as well. The
government welfare aka free ride is not the same as the church organized
welfare. It isn't meant to be a permanent crutch regardless of what some have
used it as. It was meant to inspire industry in people who were out of work so
they could again support themselves and their families.
Memphis must have had a slow news day. I can't believe anyone with any
journalistic integrity would pull a stunt like this. It is clear Ferguson was
just going for shock value. Why else would he choose two unimportant and vague
doctrines to skew and make even more vague. The tone he used in asking the
questions was a little condescending as well. Clearly this guy had an agenda.
Why are more than half of my comments never posted? I am neither abusive,
offensive, nor misrepresentative, and I am always on topic. Why did I sign up to
comment if you won't let me?
@hawkyoThe lack of regulation of the derivative market hass been
shown to be the single greatest contributor to the financial collapse. The
housing bubble compounded the effect in that the deregulated housing loans were
allowed to be traded by the greedy in the unregulated divatives market.Irresponsible bankers loaned to irresponsible individuals. The banks then
sold the loans to anyone that was looking for easy money that did not clearly
demonstrate the risk of the default. Eventually these wall street geniuses
started to believe their own lies and it got away from them.The
hands off policies got away from them and even Greenspan has gotten to the point
of stating that he was wrong to "trust the market" completely.
Hawkyo - your historical view of that the american dream included home ownership
started with Clinton is rather near sighted. It had its root 50 years before
that, and we had housing bubbles come and go way before there was even the
thought of a President Clinton.Lets be really clear here, the banks
were not forced as you say to loan money to unqualified people, and hence the
bubble. What caused the bubble is that banks no longer held on to the loans
they wrote - rather packaging them up as a tradable equity where they were
bought and traded as portfolios of loans. This created risky behavior on both
the buyers side because they were going to just flip the properties - make a
quick buck - and the banks who saw very little risk because they never say
having to hold on to these loans they were writing.This problem had
its genesis many administrations ago... way before 9/11, way before Clinton, way
before Reagan, and each step the equity markets have been liberalized at each
step. No parties hands are clean. What is happening though is in
the current budget, the republicans want to gut the SEC....
@Grundle:Glad to see there are still people out there who respect
other point-of-views and don't demonize them. I agree we have many shared
values. I appreciate your value on life, importance of integrity, and
responsibilty for one's actions. There is not one single correct way of doing
things, and I hope for this country's sake, there are more people out there that
look to build bridges instead of divide and conquer.@UtahBlueDevil:Totally agree with you: both parties have plenty of
weaknesses to go around, and I think the overall system needs to be pulled away
from the lobbyists and special interests and restored to the people--will be
hard to do when both parties answer to the money sources and not necessarily the
people. Most everything requires a balance: an unregulated free market can be
just as disastrous as all-controlling toltarian government. Hope more people
break away from the "party" mentality and stand on their own ideas.@HawkyoI know there weren't unions in Israel--pointing out
that the Savior didn't come to earth as a rich business owner but as a humble
carpenter. I believe government welfare is a safety net--not a crutch.
Hmmmmm. I didn't see these videos, but it sure sounds like the DVD
"American Mormon" (and it's sequel, "American Mormon in
Europe") in which people on the street are asked what they think Mormons
believe. I suppose the difference is that "American Mormon" was made
by Mormons for Mormons and finds the humor in the misconceptions people have,
while these videos are made by non-Mormons for non-Mormons and finds humor in
the misconceptions people have.
Any publicity is good publicity - that's the philosophy of "The
Industry". The original followers of Christ were considered by
Romans and Jews to be members of a cult, religious movement based on one man's
philosophy that is detached from the societal mainstream. Evangelically
speaking, it is interesting that the words "Rapture" and
"Trinity" (or three-in-one) are not found in Revelation or Daniel, let
alone the Bible as a whole. Their very narrow definition of Christianity is
equally apocryphal. Christianity was originally a slur used to defame the
believers and followers of the teachings of Christ. Believers have since come to
wear the title with honor to share in His suffering. And the common hope of
being reunited with loved ones on the "other side" and living in
familial relationships (as portrayed in any movie or TV program where death is
in the storyline) is contrary to Evangelical teaching, yet is believed by most
anyway.Truth speaks louder than words - even when it is silent.On a related note - who I really feel sorry for is KSL being strapped
with its NBC affiliation and its line-up of network programming, Daniel and
Playboy Mansion notwithstanding.
I lived in a community where constant joking and poking at Mormons was a part
of at one social conversation every day. When, after about 5 years in this
community, the adult missionaries came to our door, I told my husband,
"Lets just listen to them and see if they are as crazy as we hear."
Best decision of our lives, we listened, we were baptized and could not have
imagined the good life we have all because of the "poking" at Mormons.
So keep it up Media there are many out there like me with a curious nature.
"I believe the church's stance is no abortion except in terms of rape,
incest, and health of the mother, that isn't hard-line Pro Life."Okay, so do you support legislation that bans abortion in cases other than
rape, incest and health of the mother? That's really the issue here.As far as the taxes and social welfare issue go, I've never argued that we
should disobey the law and refuse to pay taxes. What I am saying is that when we
give our input to the policy making process through legitimate means, if agency
is so important to us, would that issue not be relevant when it comes to taxes
and social welfare programs? If given a choice, would we not want to try and
maintain the agency of people who work and earn their own living? And if we
follow the logic of your argument, do people not still have the ability to chose
to have an abortion when they live under a government that doesn't allow it? The
truth of the matter is that it is okay for government encroach on personal
sovereignty if it has a legitimate interest in doing so...
When Christ was on the cross he said: "Father, forgive them for they know
not what they do." They really do not know what they do. I do believe some
do, but the is not mine to judge. For the most part people just don't understand
and at this point in their life do not want to understand it's more fun to poke
fun and laugh at deep doctrine then to study it out in their own minds and then
ask God if it is true. As for being Republican or Democrat, and there are other
parties you really don't have to be one or the other just do your homework and
choose the best one you think would represent you.
Dixie Dan"It will be interesting to see how Utah votes if
Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin are the GOP candidate for President. Both are
strong Evangelicals who oppose Mormonism and treat it as a non-Christian
cult."While I understand the sentiment, I dont think you really
mean that. If members of the Church allow Michelle Bachmans or Sara Palins
religious beliefs dictate how we vote, it will be a case of the pot calling the
kettle black. As for myself, I will vote for whoever is most qualified for the
presidency based on my beliefs and ideals and not based on the candidates
religious affiliation or prejudices. However, if their religious prejudices may
lead them to limit our religious freedomthat is another matter.
They won't vote for someone who believes that if he's a good person, he'll get
his own planet.But they will vote for someone who believes that good
people could spend eternity in a lake of fire, because their beliefs were
@GrundleWell said my friend. I also would like to add this council
from LDS Church to its members. The LDS Church is politically neutral and does
not endorse one party over another. They have said that you should vote for
candidates that support the values you hold as a member of the LDS Church.
There are good Democrats out there but as a whole I see the Democratic party
moving to the far left on social issues and supporting values that I as a church
member cannot support. I for one will be a registered Republican because it
more closely aligns with the values I have as a member of the LDS Church.
But there is one single correct way to do things, Gods way! And no political
party owns Him. Whenever we make any choice we must have asked for his help,
Honestly do you fast and pray before you enter the ballot box? Do you research
the people who are running and the issues presented? Or do you just rush over
after work and vote party line?
can't you folks take a joke? you have to admit the mormon religion is prime
comedy material. loosen up.
Jokes that poke fun at a group of people because of their religion, race,
nationality, etc. have long been considered inappropriate and offensive. This
is shameful - taking obscure statements out of context and using them as
interview questions specifically designed to seem weird. What is next,
making fun of anyone who believes that a man could raise his arms in the air and
part the Red Sea? Or who believes that water could instantly change to wine?
on the other hand, what about someone who believes that all life evolved
from one microscopic cell?Poking "fun" at someone because
of their beliefs (or one's interpretation of their beliefs) is NOT funny. I
would not watch a station that employed those tactics.
Re: charlie91342Why is it when anyone does anything in bad taste,
with no tact, encroaching on subjects that others hold sacred and choose not to
discuss in public, whether it be about religion, sex, race, etc, they try to
justify it by saying "it was a joke. Can't you take a joke?" By saying
so doesn't make it right.
How was the talk show host or this Memphis Fox affiliate making fun of
Mormons?The questions Ben was asking are tenets of the LDS church
and I taught them on my mission, in gospel doctrine, in gospel essentials, in
elders quorum and to my children.I've since realized how ridiculous
those teachings are when I found my brain in my head and chose to think.I see no "making fun of Mormons" at all and instead see a
reporter and a talk show host making known to the world some teachings that are
embraced by the LDS church today, both its leadership and body of membership.
Taking a joke? Matt Stone and Trey Parker can make jokes all they want about
Mormonism and anything else and I'm good with that. But I expect a supposedly
respected news organization to do better. What next? Should we send out
reporters in black face or KKK garb to see how people feel about that?
Two Points - 1. Some of our LDS beliefs can seem rather silly to
outsiders (and even insiders). When taken out of context and stretched to their
most absurd conclusions they can seem downright bazare to some. But then the
same thing can be done with all kinds of religious beliefs including the
evangelicals who routinely make fun of us. Religion is not meant to be a study
in logic. There is a reason religion requires a great deal of faith.2. To Pagan and others - the real question is why would a Mormon (or anyone)
be Democrat OR Republican? I can't fathom tying my beliefs into one party or
another. I'm shocked that 98% of LDS don't register as Independents. I look at
every issue seperately. Some fall left and some fall right. But to say my
beliefs are all housed under one political roof is ignorance.
Screwdriver wrote:"They can do this because unlike other
religions and groups we have enough tollerance (sic) to let people say it. I
can't think of another religion that would allow this kind of speech without
it's own massive counter-punch."You live in a narrow, sheltered
bubble of a world. You need to get out more.
the truth posts: Mormon doctrine does NOT specifically say you will get your
own planet,===============================May I add, of God the
Father, son Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit, who got their OWN planet? ;-) Seems
like the three of them have been working this one together.
Fox "News" claims to be "fair and balanced." The first part
of the new clip is "fair and balanced," but the interviews are NOT. I
note that Mr. Ferguson is a "commentator" and may claim he has no
responsibility to uphold standards of journalism. However, there are implied
standards when he holds a FoxNews microphone. His man-on-the-street interviews
were purpose designed and edited to be mocking sound-bits and are totally
unacceptable as journalism. Practice like these are what give Fox News a
deservedly poor reputation in many circles.
Fair and balanced.Keep those Fox viewership numbers up, Utah repubs!
They could have gone with more traditional views on Mormon doctrine which is
actually aligned with most Christianity, given the LDS faith has the Holy Bible
has part of it's scriptural foundation. Truth is every religion has beliefs that
others will find far-fetched, crazy, or untrue.
May I offer another bit of reasoning why one party or another? Choosing a
political affiliation isn't like choosing a circle of friends. It isn't because
of popularity or lack thereof, it is due to what a person believes is right for
the country, or for self-interest, or for a myriad of reasons. Choosing one or
the other because somebody in that party likes or dislikes me or my faith is
shallow thinking, more in line with today's "pop culture" where the
trends change at the top of the hour. Our country is worth far more than that.
You know, Mormons do some strange stuff, and I have fought against them for my
entire life. However, in my advanced age (35. I know...), they are winning me
over. I think the stuff that others find so strange is part of why Utah is, for
the most part, a wonderful place full of people who work for their own gain and
raise decent children.Keep being strange, guys!
WayneDe - there is a difference in FOX News and local affiliates of the FOX
Network. I watch FOX News but I rarely turn on our local FOX affiliate, because
it seems like the majority of their programming is geared toward the lowest
common denominator. And the local news there isn't much better.
The Mormons are right to buck up and ignore rude people. However they are not
the only religion to endure teasing and criticism. Catholics have always been
given a hard time about confession,turning water to
wine,birthcontrol,purgatory.etc. Every religion has to endure some form of
bullying. It is the best time to exhibit your strength and belief by being calm
and non combatitive.I will always have an intelligent conversation about
my beliefs with someone who is really interested in me and my church,but I will
not waste my time on the bullys. A sense of humor about the little things is
always good. When I moved to Utah I found that Jello is the state desert,water
the state drink ,drinking coffee and tea were major sins,come on folks there are
whole websites out there about Mormons hiding Coke,coffee and tea in closets and
leaving the state to enjoy said beverages. Now that is funny,and surely you can
understand that others see that as funny. Brings back memories about growing up
Catholic and trying to explain why we ate fish on Friday,and going to confession
if you forgot and ate meat.
To Idaho Coug: I agree with you and I think that as time goes you will find
more and more LDS leaving both parties and being more independent. I've been a
pure republican for years but as the Republican party starts to become more and
more aligned with the Democratic party I've changed to a more independent
mind.The Republican party still holds closer to the ideals of the
Church but in some ways so does the Democratic Party. President Faust was a
stanch Democrat. Some years ago I heard something that makes one wonder but the
Quroum of the Twelve was basically equal between the two parties, and if not
someone had to change parties to become such. Now I don't know how true this is
as again it is probably a myth but in some ways it makes sense.I
still hold that abortion is wrong except in rape, danger to the mother or
incest, but the Church also holds in the cases of Rape and Incest that the child
should be allowed to live and then be adopted. Still it holds to those
exceptions as agreeable.
FOX - By their fruits ye shall know them!@ Cats - The proper name
for one of the two major political parties in the United States is the
Democratic Party, not the "Democrat" Party. Please show some respect.
vdubbin' | 10:18 p.m. July 8, 2011 Ogden, UT,Our son's leaving
for the Ogden Mission in 2 days. We'll have him look you up! ;)The
reason the LDS Church gets poked fun at is that we make bold statements about
our beliefs and are not apologetic about them. Christians around the time of
Christ experienced the exact same thing.
I believe it was none less than Winston S. Churchill that said, "The
truth,never needs a defense." Yet, somehow, someone at Deseret News, pays
people to do just that. OK, but what really does that accomplish other than
giving those who mock, ridicule and scorn more viability?Better to let our
actions speak volumes, than our words. Which as we know have often here in Utah
been parsed for political expediency.