"Hoops Haven" ... really??When's the last tine a WCC team
ever won anything??
Still using the "UNLV has home court" excuse. I think it was SDSU whom
thrashed the Y at the Thomas and Mack this year. Good Riddance!
The small gym problem in the WCC is likely being solved, I hear, by numerous
"away" games being played in non-campus arenas to accommodate the
fans. More fans means of course more money. BYU's ability to pack fans in is
driving this. As they do so even more attention will be paid to the WCC. It
needs it despite the WCC statements that it is already nationally recognized,
whatever that means and whatever that will buy. But the TV of ESPN and BYUTV in
conjunction with larger crowds will soon overshadow the elitist PAC-something
which plays to amazingly poor crowds, propaganda not withstanding. BYU is indeed
a highly marketable commodity even post-Jimmermania.
I Still Can't Say It"When's the last tine a WCC team ever won
anything??"San Francisco won back-to-back national
championships, which is more championships than any team in the PAC 12 not named
Gotta love Utah fans talking smack about the WCC.Didn't Utah lose 2
out of 3 games to the WCC last season, including to WCC bottom dweller, San
Diego?Utah fans are operating under the delusion that simply being
in the same conference as UCLA has suddenly made that train wreck on the hill a
basketball power.Is this what we can expect from Utah in the future?
USC(football) and UCLA(basketball) will do all of the dirty work, and the Utes
will pretend that they actually contributed.
I've gotta smile every time a Ute Fan comments on a BYU article. I mean, you put
their program in the PAC-10, but you find their Fans still wandering over to
talk BYU. It's kind of sick! They're like zombies with one track minds. My
goodness, move on! I seriously don't feel a need to know anything Utes. You Ute
Fans have been talking all year, that as soon as you become PAC-10 members you
would only look for BYU only in your rear view mirrors......Prove it!
The obvious cliche "ignorance is bliss" comes to mind for you folks
who are having a slow day in Layton and Holladay. Gee maybe BYU A.D. was totally
asleep on this one. DUH, did you call or e-mail Tom Holmoe that he made a huge
blunder? You are to blame for not sharing your crustal ball visionary insight
with others. BTW did you ever hear of Gonzaga? If you are UTE fans you have no
worries as no one will bother to watch even home games let alone road games.
Aggie fans can't brag either as I watched the final tourney game (USU/BSU) in
that conference at the Orleans in Las Vegas (on T.V.) where the arena was not
In the coming year(s), WCC will come to be know as a much better basketball
conference than the MWC. They will consistently get 2 or 3 teams in the big
dance with one team regularly making it to at least the Sweet Sixteen.MWC now only has UNLV as a consistent basketball performer. UNM makes some
noise once and awhile. San Diego State did well, but look at their history.
With all the players who graduated / moved on, it will be awhile before they
reload.For those moaning about the size of opposing teams arena, it
really makes no difference to me. The only thing I really care about is TV
access. Far more people will watch them on ESPN than ever watch them in an
arena. BYU vs Gonzaga will be a consistent prime time match up, drawing huge TV
audiences.The future looks as bright for BYU BB as it does for FB -
with Carlino, Harrison, Sharp, and a couple of big guys coming into the program
this year along with the return of C. Collinsworth. And hoping Nick Emery, TJ
Haws, and Chatman choose the blue and white in future years.
@ I Still Can't Say It "Hoops Haven" ... really??When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??"Try last
year when their last place team beat the mighty utes! Your statement suggests
that the ute team is nothing! The u would finish near the bottom of the WCC and
that is the funny thing about any ute comment, they would still rather get beat
by 40 points and play in big places than play in smaller more competitive places
and be recognized for their strength and WINS.
They'll just have to rent bigger facilities or find some way to build bigger
ones. BYU's contingent turnout alone will overwhelm every one of these
venues...which will still beat a half sold out fieldhouse on the hill any day.
BYU will help build every one of the WCC programs just like they've done for the
out of state Old WAC and the MWC teams. I don't see this as a problem.
I'm as much a BYU homer as the next guy but this is nothing more than propaganda
to get fans to accept or believe the WCC is where it's at. The WCC is an
afterthought in college basketball and nobody, west or east coast, knows or
cares about most of the teams in the WCC. The teams people know, Gonzaga, they
are not able to tell you anything about, including the name of the conference in
which they play.I'm hoping this is temporary and a step to better
things. Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is going to do nothing
to further the image of BYU and the strength of the program. It's the lesser of
two evils and should be acknowledged as such.
whos Jimmer ?
I Still Can't Say It,When's the last tine a WCC team ever won
anything??I am guessing you have never heard of Gonzaga or St.
Marys...thats Ok, they have never heard of Utah either.And as far as
small gyms are concerned, I would rather play in an arena packed with 5000 fans
than play in a great facility which holds 12,000 and have only 500 fans
there...Any guesses where I am speaking of...The
Redrocks will sell out before the basketball team does...oops that's already
happened...sorry. OU812This years Ute team will be hard
stressed to even come out after half to finish playing UNLV.
Several great articles on the UofU and the first two posters are still so
obsessed with BYU they feel compelled to come onto a BYU article to show their
true nature. I find it hilarious that a Ute fan is actually bringing up the UNLV
home court issue as a negative against BYU. There were many Ute fans who said
the same things not too long ago. Your own Chris Hill even eluded to the fact
that he felt UNLV had an advantage in the MWC tournaments. Fan's and officials
from every school felt the same way.(go back and read the archives in their
newspapers around the end of Feb.) Yes, SDSU beat BYU in the tournament this
year. The Y also beat SDSU twice, once in San Diego. Are you still upset about
the Jimmering you got up there on the hill. Gonzaga has had as much
success nationally as the U had in their best BB years. Gonzaga's run has lasted
much longer than the U's and they haven't fallen to the bottom of their
conference like U.
The WCC basketball "haven" is made of one school who is lucky the
coach hasn't been hired away yet. Get ready for tiny sold out arenas.
Most of the schools in the WCC are Jesuit academic institutions. BYU is an
academic fit. Here in St. Louis, St. Louis University (Jesuit) tried to do the
same by joining the Atlantic 10 which is centered in the Far East. It appears
that the idea is working on the West Coast. Here in the Mid West, it is failing
miserably for travel reasons, not because of basketball, but because of all
sports. In reality, it would make ideological sense for St. Louis University
to join the MCC. SLU quit the Missouri Valley and then quit a conference with
Marqueete and DePaul who joined the Big East. The problem is a travel issue
which BYU appears to have solved.
How can anyone honestly say moving to the wcc is a move up? It is a much lower
rated conference than the MWC and the Pac 12.BYU will clearly be the revenue
maker for this conference.I hope it is a short arrangement.
You got thrown under the bus Rose
Any ute with any integrity should be embarrassed to chime in with trash talk on
this subject. YoU will be humiliated again in '11-'12. The good news is that you
will be humiliated in big (empty) arenas.
@I still can't say itDo any ute fan really want to talk smack about
basketball?The last 6 seasons of ute basketball have been
embarrassing. Losing to BYU 9 out of the last 10 match ups between BYU and
Utah!And the WCC has a NCAA Cinderella story every year, aka
Gonzaga. Gonzaga has won more games over the last 10 years than Utah. Let's be real ute fans. When it comes to basketball, this sport is not your
strength anymore. After Andrew Bogut left, Utah got jimmered. Go Cougars!
@ Blue SaintSeriously? Kenny (Sammy) g & Ducky have frequent
flier miles on Utah Blogs. Glad to know you don't surf there, but your fellow
brothers make it part of their daily routine.
Not only did utah lose to San Diego, they lost to Portland the very next game.
This was the same Portland team who got crushed at home by Kentucky. Now,
little ute fans come on and try to put down BYU being in a league where utah
can't even win. Come on! ute fans (BYU followers who follow their
every move and have severe little brother disease) just love to follow BYU.
Thanks for the support and once again padding BYU article comment count! You're
very shallow ute fans, but very faithful BYU fans. Thanks!Jimmer
for three from the U!
Remember the WCC's 1990 Loyola Marymount team that went to the Elite 8 after
Hank Gathers died on the court earlier in the year? Bo Kimble shot his
tournament free throws with his left hand to honor his fallen teammate. He made
every shot. That WCC squad is one that every basketball fan in the country
remembers. Gathers had averaged 32.7 and 29.0 points in the two
seasons leading up to his death. Kimble averaged over 35 points per game in
that '89-'90 season. They were as good together as any two teammates the NCAA
had seen in a long time. Watching Gathers die on the court in his mother's arms
while holding tightly to Kimble's hand left an indelible impression on me. I
was a high school basketball player at the time and I remember being so caught
up with Loyola Marymount's run in the NCAA tournament, praying that they would
win it all for Hank. What a fantastic team that was!
Football was the deciding factor. Top to bottom the MWC was a better fit for
basketball, and possibly still for football. It is not all sour grapes though
because the ESPN exposure is better than the mtn. I think we should wait 3 or 4
years before we say that basketball got the raw deal.
@new to Utah"How can anyone honestly say moving to the wcc is a
move up?"As far as competition goes, it's probably a move down.
As far as location goes, definitely a move up! Malibu vs Laramie? Where would
you like to be in January? Also, the WCC is just a basketball
conference. It's a great fit for a football independent team, because there is
no pressure to have football join the conference. Point #3: how many
teams get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney from the WCC? Answer: the exact
same number as the pac12, MWC, or WAC: 1. Basketball is not like football.
Basketball, conference affiliation really doesn't matter. BCS and football
conference affiliation is so important and corrupt, not every team has an equal
opportunity to get to the NC game.
All those pictures of WCC "arenas" is too priceless. I still can't
believe BYU did that to their basketball team.
The WCC was a one-bid conference last year even with a strong St. Mary's team.
It will continue to be a one-bid conference with the addition of BYU. Rose has
been a good sport, trying to sell snake oil to us over this move. Everyone
knows he doesn't like the move, but every athletic program got thrown under the
bus for the football program. This is the cost of independence for BYU. The
small gyms will be a surprise for BYU--tough to win those games. BYU will be in
rebuilding mode this year. I know they wanted to play in the WAC
for all other sports--which made sense before the WAC's mutiny. I don't see how
this conference makes sense now. Wow Gonzaga, they had mini-runs ten years ago
and St. Mary's they have been fielding a semi-strong team...other than that
[crickets]. They are only a one-bid conference. Should have joined the Big
Sky: better facilities, geographic fit, don't have to set your DVR to watch the
Pepperdine game, etc. Could have been fun. But enjoy playing at the YMCA
courts, err I mean most of the WCC facilities.
Top 5 Reasons for leaving the MWC#1. ESPN > The MTN#2. Malibu > Laramie#3. Any conference commissioner > Craig
Thompson #4. Neutral Site Conference Basketball Tournament >
Playing on UNLVs Home Court#5. A truly national brand trapped in a
league filled with regional schools with small budgets, tiny fan bases and few
aspirations to improve.
All those pictures of WCC Arenas "packed" with College Basketball
Lovin' fans, on the prettiest Campuses in America.VSAll
those "Empty" Red Chair Seats posing as fans at the Huntsman
Center.Six Thousand fans at Gonzaga vs. 2,500 fans at Huntsman?
HmmmmThe same Gonzaga which had 15 National games on ESPN? Utah-0.The whole phony construct of the BCS does not translate to Basketball,
sorry utes, you'll have to prove it on the court.Look at the small
gyms of many Big East, and Atlantic 10 teams. Duke plays in a 10k seat gym.
BYU's 10k seat gym was obsolete for them 40 years ago.It does not
matter Utes. U can't compete with WCC teams either, that is your
reality.It's a matter of relativity, apparently it's over your head.
Johnjacob"The WCC basketball "haven" is made of one
school who is lucky the coach hasn't been hired away yet. Get ready for tiny
sold out arenas."Do you recall that St. Marys' coach turned
down the U of U for their coaching job. Your argument is weak.localblue"Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is
going to do nothing to further the image of BYU and the strength of the
program."Portland, San Fransisco, San Diego. The MWC has more
"small-time markets than the WCC. This is a good fit for BYU,
and as far as the small arenas go, there is already talk of Portland playing
home games in the Rose Garden when BYU comes to town. This will be the case
throughout the conference, so that is a mute point.
With BYU's move to the WCC, the conference becomes an automatic 2- to 3-bid
league. Gonzaga has already proven that you can develop a nationally recognized
program, even from a relatively small conference.Unlike the
exclusionary Bogus Championship Series, the NCAA tournament is truly an open
championship that gives every team an equal opportunity to win the national
championship - see Butler 2010 and 2011.BYU basketball will have at
least a dozen nationally televised games on ESPN next season vs. ONE during
Jimmermania. Television exposure alone makes the move to the WCC a no-brainer.
Playing in Malibu instead of Laramie is just an added bonus.
Would it be great to have the WCC tourney in the Energy Solutions arena!!!!!!!
I expect this to be a very short stay perhaps 3 seasons at the longest for BYU
and by 2014-2015 visiting the likes of Norman, Austin, College Station, Lubbock,
Waco, Stillwater, Lawrence and Columbia will become mainstays in Cougar language
lingo. The football side has decided they really dont want a championship game
for the time being, and the basketball side might be easier to manage with 10
schools, but the Big-Ten worked well with 11 schools for 18 years and perhaps
BYU can add to the Big-12 in basketball, something Nebraska and Colorado did
VERY little of.
Dear Utah basketball fans,Please for the love of all that is good
don't talk basketball smack. In football you have some arguments, but please
don't talk basketball smack.
Is localblue is the only honest BYU fan to comment here today? No matter how
much the local media claims it is moving up,(joining the WCC) everyone really
knows it is moving down, and Utah has nothing to do with it. Slam the Utes all
you want, but you will still wake up tomorrow and be in the WCC playing in a
small market. The ESPN/BYU tv package can be likened to a tree in the forest. If
that tree falls and no one is there to hear/watch it, does it really make a
localblue said:I'm as much a BYU homer as the next guy but this is nothing
more than propaganda to get fans to accept or believe the WCC is where it's at.
The WCC is an afterthought in college basketball and nobody, west or east coast,
knows or cares about most of the teams in the WCC. The teams people know,
Gonzaga, they are not able to tell you anything about, including the name of the
conference in which they play.I'm hoping this is temporary and a
step to better things. Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is going
to do nothing to further the image of BYU and the strength of the program. It's
the lesser of two evils and should be acknowledged as such.Don't
agree. WCC coverage is in the Pac-12 market area. For example: Gonzaga
basketball is broadcast into Portland and Seattle Tv markets. Nothing small
SilentPay attention. With the addition of BYU to the WCC, they are
now as strong as the MWC ever was. Small market? Are you talking about Laramie
Silent Lurker said:"Is localblue is the only honest BYU fan to
comment here today? No matter how much the local media claims it is moving
up,(joining the WCC) everyone really knows it is moving down, and Utah has
nothing to do with it. Slam the Utes all you want, but you will still wake up
tomorrow and be in the WCC playing in a small market. The ESPN/BYU tv package
can be likened to a tree in the forest. If that tree falls and no one is there
to hear/watch it, does it really make a sound/matter?"Agreed.
BYU's TV deal is nothing compared to an ESPN/ABC/Versus/Pac-12 Network deal that
Utah is not part of.And BYU's ESPN deal is nothing compared to the $300
hundred million TV deal that Texas just signed with ESPN.
Sorry. I meant that Utah is now part of.
The BYU faithful can try to spin this anyway they want but my point is that you
really know the truth--the WCC is not a move up.
SilentI get your point, I was only disputing that you are calling
WCC markets small. They are huge compared to the MWC; and with the addition of
BYU it allows the teams in the WCC to take advantage of the large markets that
they reside in.
Because there is a real tournament in basketball, a team's conference isn't
terribly important. That said, the WCC will provide as many
"challenging" games as the MWC did. After New Mexico, SDSU and UNLV,
it was slim-pickings for sure. And please, the conference is chock
full of big market teams who have some absolutely gorgeous campuses.
As a proud new member of the WCC we renewed our season tickets and Cougar Club.
I will miss the exciting games against SDS, UNLV, NM and Air Force. Hope we can
get them to play in Provo in the near future. We moved OUT of the MWC and that
is that. New venues can be fun. See you all soon in Malibu. Warm in winter is
better than cold. Cougar fans can now take three opportunities to visit SoCal
during the worst weather in Utah and enjoy a Cougar BB game and get a decent
seat plus attend Disneyland, SeaWorld, and the beautiful beaches. Look west
young man for now.
@Silent Lurker, Just the fact that we won't be watching the pathetic, grainy,
and terrible camera work on the MTN channel and instead will be watching it on
ESPN and the new BYU HD channel makes this a huge "move up" for the
fans. The games on the MTN were so awful they were not even fun to watch in the
past years.My guess is they will make more money in the WCC also,
due to the ESPN telecasts alone. Also if I was putting money on it I would guess
that the WCC has put more players in the NBA than the MTN.
When looking at the big picture, this move is very positive for BYU. Here's
why:1. Television - having most if not all games on national TV will be a
huge boost for BYU basketball. It's worked for Gonzaga and it will work for
BYU.2. More opportunities for BYU fans to see their team live. How many
BYU fans do you think go to games in Laramie, Ft.Collins, Col. Springs,
Albuquerque etc. vs. the number that will attend in Portland, San Francisco, Los
Angeles and San Diego? Many family and friends are already making plans to
attend games next season in those locations.3. Recruiting - how many
players will BYU ever want to recruit from MWC cities vs. the cities where the
WCC teams are located?4. With BYU, the WCC becomes virtually equal to the
MWC. Both conferences should have similar average RPI's, similar number of
nationally ranked teams, similar numbers of teams getting NCAA bids and even
similar numbers of fans in attendance at road games. The difference is, BYU
will have a "home court advantage" for many road games due to the
large number of BYU fans in attendance.
I accidentally left out one of the potentially biggest benefits, improved
quality of non-conference opponents. I can't wait to see what kind of teams BYU
will be playing in non-conference games going forward but according to this
article, that is a big focus and if we could get more big time programs to come
to the Mariott Center like Wake Forest a couple of years ago, that will be huge.
Until the SDSU game this year, that was the most electric and exciting game ever
at the M.C. and I can't wait to see more of those types of teams on the
Silent Lurker ESPN and unlimited rights to replay games on BYUtv is
a HUGE move up from the MTN.Last year, BYU played Fresno State in
the Marriott Center. Lots of interesting sub-plots with Steve Cleveland
returning to BYU to face his one-time assistant, but the game wasn't broadcast
because the brainiacs at the MTN (which owned the television rights) thought
that reruns of a Sports Statistics show and MWC Roundtable discussion would be
more interesting than a live basketball game.That type of situation
will NEVER happen again thanks to BYU's move to the WCC. EVERY home BYU
basketball will be broadcast on ESPN or BYUtv live, and every game will also be
available for unlimited replays.The WCC isn't a step up as far as
overall competition, but it's a monumental improvement in giving BYU's
nationwide fanbase access to BYU sports.
gizmo33 | 7:48 a.m. St. George, Utah "whos Jimmer ?"===You must have missed the Utah v BYU games this year, half-time
of the NCAA championship game where they announced the POY, or the NBA draft.Big college basketball fan?........................"AZ Dave | 9:03 a.m. Chandler, AZ You got thrown under the
bus Rose" === Dave Rose said..."What impresses me
about the WCC is their commitment to men's basketball. It's a men's basketball
league. The incentives they have to increase the level of their basketball, I
was extremely impressed.".................."Eventually, with the 2010 realignment opening up new avenues for
expansion, the WCC decided to revisit expansion plans. The conference decided
that it would only seek out private schools, but would not limit its search to
faith-based institutions."Seems like a nice fit for BYU. With
the ESPN games, and the BYU-HD games, I would expect the WCC is positioned
well.With 140 MWC championships under their belt, this is a great
move for BYU basketball, baseball, and other sports. It's a great move for the
WCC.Good riddance to fans dressed as missionaries, and blow up
women.(Nice not to be entering a scandal-ridden league)...
Five to ten years from now, we will be able to look back and see whether or not
this was simply a good move, or a fantastic move. That's what an athletic
director with vision brings to the table.Kudos to Holmoe for all of
his hard work in putting together a package that benefits student athletes and
their familes, coaches, fans, alumni, recruiting and financially benefits the
University.It speaks volumes that the WCC adjusted the tournament
for no Sunday play.Independence benefits footall, and the WCC will
be good for BYU in other sports. BYU also benefits the WCC. ESPN as a partner
positions the conference well.BYU fans are excited to watch BYU play
around the country, and on TV. Isn't that what it is all about? Watching your
team play?I willing to wait and see how the college athletic
landscape changes over the next five to ten years...
If Dave Rose really hated the WCC arrangement, he wouldn't have signed the
contract extension. He had plenty of opportunities to go to "better"
leagues, but chose to stay. I don't think he's lying when he says he's excited
about his prospects.
@nilsand you're still obsessed with BYU. Thought BYU was in a
TrueBlue said:".....That type of situation will NEVER happen
again thanks to BYU's move to the WCC. EVERY home BYU basketball will be
broadcast on ESPN or BYUtv live, and every game will also be available for
unlimited replays."Please provide a reference that every home
basketball game will be shown live on ESPN or BYU TV.See June 9th article
in this paper titled - BYU basketball: West Coast Conference, ESPN sign 8-year
extensionThere is no reference to that whatsoever in the ESPN deal.
Veritas Aequitas said:".....Good riddance to fans dressed as
missionaries, and blow up women.(Nice not to be entering a
scandal-ridden league)..."What until you see what Pepperdine
St. May's & Santa Clara fans do. WCC fans can be crude.
Anyone notice that the BYU student section in the MC is larger then any of the
gyms from the WCC? That should come as a shock to those teams when they come to
Night OwlDig a little deeper. That is all the athletic department
has been talking about; the ability of BYUtv to pick up whatever games ESPN does
not. Hide and watch. The proof will come this winter when BYU fans are able to
watch ALL BYU games. Why don't reference the article that says all of Utah's
football games will be televised?
"Didn't Utah lose 2 out of 3 games to the WCC last season, including to WCC
bottom dweller, San Diego?"Well yes, the fact that we lost ONLY
2 of the 3 shows it's a pretty lousy conference.
With pro sports on the lam this Fall, BYU will be the only game in town (for the
state of Utah), as it'll be the only school from this great state showing all of
its football and basketball games in HD (on ESPN or BYUtv).It's a
great time to be a Cougar!
Cougars1 said:"Night OwlDig a little deeper. That
is all the athletic department has been talking about; the ability of BYUtv to
pick up whatever games ESPN does not. Hide and watch. The proof will come this
winter when BYU fans are able to watch ALL BYU games. Why don't reference the
article that says all of Utah's football games will be televised?:I
already provided a reference pal, where is yours?The WCC/ESPN deal and the
BYU/ESPN deal (which pertains to football) are two different agreements. Again I
ask. Where does it say that all BYU home basketball games will be shown live on
NightowlIt does not say in the article that some BYU games will not
be shown. Nice try.
OwlIn an interview with 1320, WCC commissioner had this to say.Q: Where will the rest of the games be that are not on ESPN?We
have great regional partners. 80% of our games last year were on regional or
national television. The BYU home games that arent selected on ESPN will be on
BYUtv. Gonzaga games that arent cleared will be picked up by Root Sports, the
former Fox Sports West. Each of our schools have a partner that will take most
of their home networks usually Comcast or Cox. Those feeds are shared by region.
We plan on getting all games to all BYU fans. I dont see anything but growth.
If I was a U basketball fan, I would do everything I could to keep a low
profile. U ridicule the size of WCC arenas, yet you do not support
your own team and more fans show up at McKeon Pavilion to support the St Mary's
Gaels than show up at the HC.U diminish the level of competitition,
yet you lost 4 of 5 games to WCC teams last year (BYU inclued).U had
a mass exodus and lost most of your team.There's a good chance U may
not win any conference games next year. But I think U should pick up a couple
of wins against Adams State and San Diego Christian.
This coming football and basketball seasons are going to be great...I will not
have to worry about which team to watch on TV.I will watch BYU and
then later I can read about Utah since they won't be on TV much...on TV and in
the sports section.
Hold on there Cougars1. This is where BYU fans get all excited and stretch
reality. Great!!! BYU home games will be on TV. Thats why I pointed out the
agreement. ESPN and BYU TV are two different worlds. Average Jim Bob sitting on
the couch will flip channels to watch a game. And will probably turn to ESPN if
a BYU game is on. I doubt the same Jim Bob will go over and turn on a computer
to watch BYU TV. Especially if they are not loyal BYU homers with it on Direct
TV to begin with. BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans only.
There are plenty of other games on ESPN that Jim Bob will watch.
Wow, so desperate of a title, Hoops Haven, ha! I feel bad for the fans of the
team in Provo, they don't know what league they are in, and what sport where, it
is like a bomb went off leaving a huge mess. WCC has two teams. The old MWC had
UTAH, BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and New Mexico has top powers, Rice can pretend all he
wants that the league is going to be really great, the truth is it is awfully
weak. Interesting how this so-called religious WCC conference played their
tournament on a Sunday. But changed it, that is really why nobody is ever going
to invite somebody to the big boy table.
atl134"...the fact that we lost ONLY 2 of the 3 shows it's a
pretty lousy conference."Wow, beating the 6th place team in the
WCC, Pepperdine(12-21) 67-60 at home, is so impressive! What this
really shows is how pathetic Utah is, not how lousy the WCC is.
NightOwlAmerica"I doubt the same Jim Bob will go over and turn on a
computer to watch BYU TV."First, I'm really not that interested
in what Jim Bob is watching. Call me selfish, but I'm more concerned with what
I'm watching. And I now have access to watch most Cougar FB and BB games.
That's more than the fans of most other universities can claim.Second, 55 million household don't need to turn on their computer to get
BYUtv, they already get it through their cable or satellite provider. How many
households get the PAC-12 TV Network?Third, you're right the average
Jim Bob probably won't seek out BYU games, just like I don't seek out average
PAC10 games. But fans of opposing WCC teams will come to know BYUtv, and if
there's some buzz (i.e. the next Jimmermania) the average Jim Bob will come to
know BYUtv in HD.
Did Utah even draw more than 6,000 fans per game the last few seasons? Oh,
please Ute man, post the season averages!
NightOwlAmerica,El-wrong-O ... again.
BYU ranked 6th Nationally in Attendance in 2010-11 with 18,714 per game.BYU even ranked 10th Nationally, when you add in Road and Neutral site
games, demonstrating BYU's appeal even on the road.The WCC ranked
15th as a Conference in attendance last year, out of 31 Conferences, plus
Independents.If you were to factor in BYU's Home Attendance average
of 2010-11 to the WCC Attendance totals of 2010-11, the WCC would have been the
8th ranked Conference Nationally in attendance, just behind....."The Pac 10
Conference."BYU's addition to the WCC improves the League in
more ways than one..
The WCC is actually in better markets than the MWC. Anything West Coast is
better than Laramie, Albuquerque, Ft. Collins, Colorado Springs or SLC as far as
size. If BYU can get some games in bigger arenas, I'll bet they could fill them.
Cox arena in San Diego, Cow Palace in San Jose, Rose Garden in Portland and
Spokane Arena would make for fun arenas. The WCC has some of the
most beautiful campuses in the world. Wait til you see Pepperdine and San Diego
right on the ocean.
OwlDespite the fact that you are wrong, I could care less. I really
don't see what point you are trying to make.
Does anyone out there REALLY believe the BCS as we know it today will remain
intact for more than another couple of years??? Pressure from the DOJ is going
to bring major changes before too much longer. So all the BCS
garbage/corruption will be ancient history by the year 2014. Mark my words.
WCC a hoops haven? Is this a joke?Besides Gonzaga, who else has
done anything in b-ball?
Just a friendly reminder....The basketball team from Provo is moving
to the WCC ... not the ACC.One is a hoops haven. One is not.I think you can figure out which one is the "hoops haven" and
which is the very small-time basketball league with tiny stadiums.
Competition wise the WCC is a step down from the MWC. TV exposure wise it is a
re: TrollPolice | 1:29 a.m. July 3, 2011 UCLA's title were more
recent than USF's and they won 7 in a row at one point.Ask yourself
who won the 1997 NCAA hoops title?
@bigutefan"The old MWC had UTAH, BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and New
Mexico has top powers."Utah is a top power? How many games did
Utah win last year? Utah hasn't had anything on the basketball court worth
respecting since 2004! Let's call a spade a spade, Utah's basketball
program is in shambels, BYU's program has won 4 conference championships in'the
last 5 years, and 5 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. College basketball
in Utah is dominated by BYU.Utah got jimmered this year in SLC (BYU
puts up 100+ points!)Go Cougars!
@knight owl "BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU
fans only. There are plenty of other games on ESPN that Jim Bob will
watch."BYU Tv is available on over 500 cable systems,
nationwide. Also on both Direct TV and Dish Network. 50 Million+ homes in north
America. BYU TV is available here in Omaha, NE on Cox Cable on the basic cable
package.Now, that's enough focus on BYU. How about Utah basketball
games? What channel will Utah be playing on? Pac12 network doesn't exist yet.
My guess, none! Utah = Washington state Jr. Utah will get the worst time slots,
and no television exposure, and the program as a whole will sit in the bottom of
the pac12 for many years to come. Overall advantage = BYU. Go Cougars!
I Still Can't Say It | 11:24 a.m. July 4, 2011Holladay, UTJust a
friendly reminder....The basketball team from Provo is moving to the
WCC ... not the ACC.One is a hoops haven. One is not.I
think you can figure out which one is the "hoops haven" and which is
the very small-time basketball league with tiny stadiums. *******Keep telling yourself that the WCC is small-time b-ball when BYU is on
national TV for every game and Utah can't be seen anywhere, when BYU is in the
top 20 again and Utah is still losing to the bottom teams in the conference
you're calling small-time and BYU is in the NCAA tournament again and Utah has a
re: Cougar_Independence | 1:02 p.m. July 4, 2011 There was a time
when Ute Hoops was flavor of the month here in the beehive state & The
Marriott Center could have been mistaken for a tomb. What's your
Hold on there Night Owl, BYU channel comes on with every dish or directv
At MountaingoatI hadn't realized that every game is on national
television. Can you show us the schedule as we are excited to see it? We would
love to see "all" the games on national television. It's simply not
true. It might be your wish. Do you think they will replay the 2010 BYU vs.
Utah game or USU or Florida State. Why does BYU always win on kbyu? Why can't we
go back to 1984? The best thing about 1984 was Van Halen? The WCC is
small time hoops. Your team is good but stepped down. My team may be bad now but
Gonzaga, BYU, St Mary's....these are current Big Time Basketball concerns.
KamUte"Keep telling yourself that the WCC is small-time b-ball
when BYU is on national TV for every game and Utah can't be seen anywhere, when
BYU is in the top 20 again and Utah is still losing to the bottom teams in the
conference you're calling small-time and BYU is in the NCAA tournament again and
Utah has a losing season...again."*******I noticed
you didn't question any of the rest of my statement other than every game being
on national tv. I guess that means that you agree with the rest of the
statement? By the way, what does 1984 and Van Halen have to do with anything
being discussed here? I guess you didn't have anything else valid to add so you
decided to ramble.
Cougars1 said:"OwlDespite the fact that you are
wrong, I could care less. I really don't see what point you are trying to
make."Will the real BYU fans please raise your hand!First you talk about how BYU has all this great TV coverage to watch across
the county. And then you don't care if others watch other than yourself. In the
end it won't matter if the kitty cats don't win.And then the same
fans say that the move to independence is not about the money. But then talk
about millions in bowl payouts that have not even happened yet.Is
there any shame in BYU land besides talking out of both sides of your mouth?
shaybo said:"Hold on there Night Owl, BYU channel comes on with
every dish or directv package.'Right. And how many people will watch
it other than BYU football fans? Not everyone has a dish or Direct TV.
Cougar_Independence said:"@knight owl "BYU TV is a
niche market after thought for BYU fans only. There are plenty of other games on
ESPN that Jim Bob will watch."BYU Tv is available on over 500
cable systems, nationwide. Also on both Direct TV and Dish Network. 50 Million+
homes in north America. BYU TV is available here in Omaha, NE on Cox Cable on
the basic cable package.Now, that's enough focus on BYU. How about
Utah basketball games? What channel will Utah be playing on? Pac12 network
doesn't exist yet. My guess, none! Utah = Washington state Jr. Utah will get the
worst time slots, and no television exposure, and the program as a whole will
sit in the bottom of the pac12 for many years to come. Overall
advantage = BYU."Not everyone gets BYU TV to begin with. And
BYU won't be the only school on TV buckaroo. The world does not revolve around
the cougar football program and its mighty WAC schedule.
OwlThough I can't speak for other BYU fans, I have never spoken out
of both sides of my mouth. BYU will have more exposure....to those who want to
watch the games; whether they are a BYU fan or not. If someone does not want to
watch a BYU game, why should I care? That is the exposure I care about.Maybe I am the exception, but this is one fan who is happy for the extra
money. I know the guys who do the athletic budget, and they appreciate it as
well. No apologies.If you are going to accuse me of talking out of
both sides of my mouth, then you better back it up.For someone who
likes to bag on BYUtv, you sure don't know much about it. You called it a niche
market. Correction, it is a major channel; in fact, it is the most watched
foreign channel in China. Yes, that's right, someday we may see little kids in
China wearing their BYU gear. BTW, your jealousy is starting to turn into an
obsession; right up there with Hedge, Chris, and Howard.
I Still Can't Say It | 12:00 a.m. July 3, 2011 Holladay, UT "Hoops Haven" ... really??When's the last tine a WCC
team ever won anything?? ---San Diego and Portland beat the
Utes last year.So by definition you're saying beating the Utes isn't
that big of a deal?
Cougars1 said:"For someone who likes to bag on BYUtv, you sure
don't know much about it. You called it a niche market. Correction, it is a
major channel; in fact, it is the most watched foreign channel in China. Yes,
that's right, someday we may see little kids in China wearing their BYU gear.
BTW, your jealousy is starting to turn into an obsession; right up there with
Hedge, Chris, and Howard."Obsession? How about being honest
Cougars1.Sorry. Satellite TV is illegal in China. Its only legal for
select viewers there and were the Commies say that hotels can have it. Yet
people are getting dishes anyway.CNN and MTV are the most watched foreign
TV in China. Not far behind is some channel from Korea. If BYU was the most
watched foreign network in China, BYU would be bragging about it. Yeah some
people are watching it on TV and internet. But its not #1.
Owl"BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans
only..."BYU fans AND BYU's opponent's fans -- which will lead
to more and more casual fans tuning in to watch BYU football on BYUtv. Don't be
too surprised when BYU games on BYUtv consistently outdraw Utah games on the PAC
12 channel.ESPN, the Worldwide Leader, left no doubt which team they
think has the most drawing power when they scheduled SEVEN BYU games for 2011,
but completely ignored the Utes, except for their game at BYU.
Skywalker.ESPN just signed a $300 million dollar TV deal with Texas. You
are right. It leaves no doubt who has the most drawing power. And its not BYU.
@NightOwlAmericaI've found that it's easier to watch football and/or
basketball when it's actually on TV. Which BYU football and basketball will be.
And Utah football and basketball won't be. BTW, good call on the
deal with Texas. It's over 20 years, which is around 15 million a
year...curiously close to the 12-15 million a year that BYU is estimated to be
receiving for their ESPN deal.But you're right, it is for a longer
period of time, so there is that :)Keep running your mouth, Owl...it
keeps us entertained :)Go Cougars!
OwlI have no problem being honest. Where did you read about CNN and
MTV being number one in China. My assertion comes from information given to us
by the AD at BYU; and yes, I believe him, not you.
OwlTry to think outside the box. You don't have to have a dish to
watch BYUtv, it is streaming live in HD on the internet. Yes, the worldwide web.
It was great to see Coach Rose in the Freedom Festival parade yesterday as the
Grand Marshall. Everyone loved him!Can't wait to SEE these games
this coming season!
With the addition of BYU the WCC will be a regular 2 tourney bid league. The MWC
minus BYU and Utah will probably be the same.The MWC has larger
arenas but plays on the Mtn. The WCC has smaller arenas but plays on ESPN.The MWC gives permanent home court advantage in its conference
tournament to one team. The WCC's conference tournament is played on a true
neutral court.The MWC includes travel destinations like Laramie and
Albuquerque. The WCC includes travel destinations like Malibu and San
Francisco.Obviously, the basketball program is being sacrificed for
the football program but I really dont see it as much of a sacrifice. The way I
see it the move to the WCC is at worst a draw. Personally, I would prefer to see
BYU playing on ESPN even if it is in front of smaller crowds for those 8
conference away games. The only other thing that really matters in college
basketball is making it to the NCAA tournament and the Cougars will have just as
much opportunity to do that in the WCC as they would if they stayed in the MWC.