This is great as long as CJ remembers to play within the system. He is no MJ and
shouldn't be shooting 20 shots a game.His athleticism will be
valuable and as long as he keeps improving he will be an asset.
For his reasonable salary, I like CJ as a bench scorer. No, he's not
consistent, and lacks discipline at times, but who else on this team is going to
score? Good move by the Jazz.
" .. Now I'm back to work"I might be misinterpretting this
here, but that line is what worries me about Miles. Has he just been playing
Call of Duty the last 2 months or so and now he's going to start working out?
Not only has he been playing Call of Duty for two months now, he has been cafe
rio everyday also, and probably partying a lot also, he is a fat out of shape
athlete who I think can be good, but I think we should've traded him 4 years ago
when they had that shot.
When Miles attacks the basket he is awesome. It's when he starts shooting off
balance shots, fade aways, and low percentage shots that sometimes hurts the
team. He would be a lot more consistent if he only took quality shots and tried
to get to the basket more.
Anonigma, He said 'BACK to work' NOT 'time to start working.' From
what I understand, most of the Jazz team has been working hard with P3 since the
end of the season.
Good move by the Jazz. Hoping CJ and Burks and Gordon and Jeremy take it too
each other in the gym. Corbin said those that earn their minutes through hard
work and competition will play. CJ is going to have to get in good running
shape...I have a feeling the others are already. Go Jazz!
I think it would be really hard to keep perspective if you were getting paid
$3.7 million. Most people would retire if they won a $3.7 million lottery.The thing is, he's getting $3.7 million because he's a BARGAIN, not
because he's a great player. How does one get motivated to pursue greatness
under those circumstances.Think about it: the thing you hear about
every truly GREAT player -- M.J., Malone, Stockton, Dirk, Reggie Miller, Chris
Mullin, Kareem, Magic, Bird -- is that he was the hardest working player on
their team. (Those names are off the top of my head and chosen, in part,
because some, like Mullin, Miller, Stockton weren't physically gifted but were
gym-rat-workout-animals.)Sadly, I don't see C.J. ever becoming
great, because he just doesn't have the fire, the work ethic, the desire, the
character to become great.
two core players...Hayward and Favors...add Burks and Kanter...and that's a
bright future...hope those four players can stay in our organization for their
entire careers...they might end up bringing the championship in Utah...
I share the same reservations about CJ as many of you who have already responded
to this article, but the fact is that the Jazz are very thin at the wing
positions and CJ is still young and improving and is good value at 3.7 million.
Glad to hear we are going to be watching Haywood & Favors!cj???
I love CJ, ever since he came here from High School. He never got to play for a
very log time in a game and when he would get hot, they would take him out.
Can't wait for this season.
This is a smart move, CJ has value, if nothing else he can be used as trade
bait. I don't think he's a starter in this league, but he's a solid bench player
at a fair price.
Are they keeping Jeremy Evans? I hope so. I am really excited about this group
of young men and their potential. (I know, everybody hates that word.) I dread
the possibility of a lockout and not having the schedule taped up on my
refrigerator the minute it comes out in August. I enjoy being a neurotic Jazz
fan, even though it drives my husband nuts.Go Jazzboys (whenever)!!!
My reaction? Of course the Jazz will pick up his option! What else would they
do? They are the Jazz....The best franchise at making mediocrity look so
competitive. CJ miles? Are you kidding me? Jazz front office magic at it's best
Now that he is signed, the Jazz can trade his talents to South Beach play the
point for the Heat.It was apparent that the Jazz did nothing to
improve their outside shooting in the draft. So they had no choice but to sign
CJ to another year. Good move on the Jazz part. A solid scorer at under 4
million. Cheap in the NBA.CJ stopped to tweet during one of his
workouts. That is why he said what he said. CJ is a workout animal during the
offseason. Every year he comes back stronger and bigger.
Hayward is the real deal! He has everything that a complete player needs to
win. Shooting 54% from the arc in the final 27 games is phenomenal, even for a
Not the worst decision the Jazz have made. Although, I hated last season
because CJ was the difference maker. When he was good, the Jazz were good.
When he was having an off day (and the record last year shows how many off days
he had) the Jazz usually lost.Hope he comes through and proves all
his doubters (including me) wrong. Get back to work kid!
1320 KFan interviewed CJ today, listen and you'll see he has been working out
since his knee healed. CJ wants to lose a little weight and be able to run
harder, longer, and play more minutes without losing his energy. He wants to
start at the 2, both he and Hayward are best at the 2. One of them will probably
end up starting at the 3, unless Corbin decides to experiment and start Milsap
at the 3. I would love to see Evans show that he has worked hard enough and
developed his skills so he could play the 3.I want to give CJ one more
chance, if he can't prove to be consistent then trade him at or before the trade
deadline.If CJ can prove he can play consistently, he will be well worth
his salary and much more and he will be a player the team wants to keep.
It's a real pain to think that there will probably be a lock out. It would be
nice if CJ or one of the other vets would do like John Beck and get the team
together to practice and workout together and help the youngsters develop.
Re: Carmennora said "He never got to play for a very log time in a game and
when he would get hot, they would take him out."What planet do
you live on? Did you read the article? He logged career highs in minutes. This
of course would never have happened if they took him out whenever he got hot
because that was once every 7-10 games. Apparently you ignored his near career
lows in shooting %.re:CJ Miles said "...the Jazz did nothing to
improve their outside shooting in the draft. So they had no choice but to sign
CJ to another year."Apparently you can't read either. CJ's
shooting %'s drug the team average down and you are trying to make the case that
is why they kept him? For shooting? Evidently everything is bigger in Texas
including your fantasies CJ.They kept him because he is cheap by NBA
standards...for a backup role player. He clearly demonstrated last season he is
completely incapable of any consistency whatsoever and does best when there is
no pressure and he is the 4th option to score.Its sad all these
rookies will get and deserve more minutes.
C.J. was signed in the hopes that another team will agree to a trade involving
him and other possible duds that the Jazz have carried the past year or two.
It's the Jazz only option after finding out once again that they made a huge
mistake when signing him out of high school. (Stevenson anyone?) The sad part
about this whole fiasco is that a couple years ago Oklahoma City signed him to a
contract and the Jazz matched unbelievably. That is where his career should have
ended with us, but here we are 2 years later "STUCK" with a dumb
stupid investment. Oh well!
CJ is cheaper than JR Smith and a better citizen. The Jazz lack 3 point
shooting and when CJ is not the only 3 point option he does better. His
percentages should pop back up this season if Hayward is hitting a good
percentage of 3s from the SG spot. CJ actually has better numbers as
an SF (82 games). He may start at SF if AK does not return. The Jazz
should improve if CJ, Hayward and Burks can do a good efficient job of shooting
3s. That will help open up the inside a bit. One more 3 point shooter of
Korver's talent would really help.The Jazz are moving away from
players who can only get shots from the Sloan system to players who can create
their own shots. Creators can play within the system and then create
when the flex is stuffed or breaks down. Teams learned how to stop
the flex in the last 2 years mostly because the Jazz has insufficient shooting
talent but also a lack of players who could create if necessary. KOC
is fixing the creator problem but need more shooting. CJ and Burks
on the 2nd team is good.
Interesting that the Jazz announced picking up the rookie contracts of Hayward
and Favors -- but not that of Evans. This worries me. Why wouldn't they pick
up his contract? If they intend to do so, why not do it at the same time as for
the other rookies?Evans in my opinion has enough potential not to be
throwing him on the trash heap after a single season.
@Iowa Jazz Fan 2,I believe that Evans contract was for 1 year. Thus
there was no option to pick up, whereas Hayward and Favors had the options on
their contracts. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.I don't think he
will be signed until a new CBA is agreed upon. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
Ok I probably misinterpreted CJ's tweet then. I do hope he lives up
to the potential that he has, especially in his contract year. CJ really needs
to boost up his shot selection more than anything, but it also won't kill him to
be working out.On another note. What about Jeremy Evan?!?Shouldn't his contract be renewed? I hope they don't let him go...
RE: Theeng2 "He would be a lot more consistent if he only took
quality shots."Really, that's the best analysis you've got of
Miles? All players would be better, more consistent, etc. if they only took
quality shots. unfortunately for you, some teams in the NBA play two parts to
the game, offense and defense. I challenge you to point out one player in all of
NBA history who was better at taking difficult shots than easy shots.
Re Iowa Jazz fan2 and T-spoon:Evans was a second round pick so his
contract isn't structured like a 1st rounder's, there are no options to be
picked up by the Jazz, it's just a 2 year contract that expires at the end of
the 2011-12 season.I do hope that the Jazz can work out some kind of
an extension so there is no Milsap/ Mathews situation next offseason. Unless he
can put on some weight I don't think he'll ever be a starter, but he could be a
solid rotation player and he sure is fun to watch.
I can't believe that they will keep Miles and let Milsap, Harris and maybe
Jefferson go. O'Conor should be the one to go.
@Anonigma, the Jazz have Jeremy Evans for another year.@peter, CJ
Miles DID NOT shoot 54% from behind the arc for the final 27 games. In fact, he
shot 16.7% for the month of March.The best quote was from Bugoff
"CJ Miles comes cheaper than JR Smith and is a better citizen"
First post in awhile. Kudos to KO for what he has done to turn over this roster
so far and in getting NBA size + at every position through the draft so far the
past couple of years. Getting bigger addresses the rebounding issue. CJ is an ok 3 pt shooter + an expiring contract in the new soon to be lower
salary cap of the CBA is also a bonus. CJ (if he doesn't improve)+ Memo may get
you a young up and coming player if you can absorb the salary-bye AK.Lastly, I think Raja can provide some outside shooting if he is healthy. You
can try and pick up another FA shooter in the future. Now if Corbin can change
the defensive philosophy while keeping the offensive productivity of the past
then we have the beginnings of a fresh start. Play the young guys (lottery
bound), next year's draft should be something special. Maybe the Jazz can get a
star in 2012.
We have to give Corbin a chance to make the changes he wants to make and see how
they impact the game and the players. Locke was tweeting some info about CJ, he
had the hightest plus/minus of anyone on the team with over 1000 minutes. CJ did
take alot of forced shots and shots at the end of the clock , if he can improve
his shot selection he could have a good yr. He's not as bad as alot would make
him out to be. He is frustrating though, he can't be depended upon to have a
good game and that has to change before the trade deadline or he needs to be
I agree with philaD... CJ was the difference maker last season whether we want
to admit it or not. I'm hoping that with the options we have at 2 and 3, CJ
will feel constrained to be more selective in his shooting and more committed to
the other end of the floor or he might find himself on the bench for the
majority of the season.All else considered, decent move by the Jazz.
The 54% over the last 2 1/2 months of the NBA season was shot by Hayward.
The 54% three pt shooting over the last 2 1/2 months of the NBA season was shot
You guys are too hard on CJ, re-read the article, he has improved in every
category (except three point percentage). Some of you "fans" out there
will never be satisfied, you even hated Jerry Sloan, Karl Malone and Deron
Williams... tsk tsk.
Captain L you bring up a good point about the Jazz offense and execution being
so bad last year that many times the shot clock would run down they would pass
it out to CJ for a forced three pt. attempt. I'm sure the forced bad shots have
something to with his lower 3 pt. shooting percentage. I agree too he needs to
get it together in his total game in preparation for next season ( if and when )
or he should be moved.@ Bugoff: Great observation about C J Miles
being cheaper and a better citizen than J R Smith. I second it for the comment
of the day.
The Jazz need to develop a system that does not require the PG to pound the ball
on the floor for 18 of the 24 second clock. Pass the ball, set screens and run
off picks. Ball movement with less dribbling win basketball games when you
don't have a superstar who can score at will.The Jazz have all the
talent needed to win games. Now they need to abort the Jerry offense and move
towards a more open flow.Defensively, they all just need to work
harder on the other end. it's all about commitment when it comes to defense.
If you look at the stats, the Jazz were much better when CJ played in place of
Bell. Hopefully, either Bell comes back with a shot and healthy, or
he gets very limited minutes/traded. I do see value in Bell
teaching Burks how to play defense and get into the head of the opponent,
CJ plays better when he attacks the basket. He needs to limit his 3 point shots
to 20% of his overall shots. He needs to put the ball on the floor and make the
defense commit to him. He is a good passer when he wants to be.He
is a lousy player when he stands on the 3 point line (Jerry's system) and jacks
up shots. He needs to go hard to the glass and get to the line.
Difference maker?...i think that title was taken by Hayward at the end of the
season...clearly...he was the best option we had on the final portion of the
season...Hayward won it against LA...he even played decent honest defense
against Kobe...for me...Hayward is the future...he may not realize it...he may
not say it...and no one would probably see it or speak of it...but that kid...is
truly something special...i remember the play he had against toronto....almost a
fast break layup for toronto...but he blocked it mid air...recovered the
ball...ran back to the offense...dished a no-look pass to al jefferson for an
easy 2...i dont see CJ doing stuff like that....but...still...i wanted to give
CJ a chance...i think he should mold his game into what Grant Hill did...good
Defender...and a guy who takes quality shots...if i see CJ take a moving three
again...it simply means he doesnt want to improve or change his game
why oh why oh why?he is a bargain??how many bargains can
the Jazz afford?hopefully soon the Jazz will stop shopping for
players at the DI
One thing I think CJ needs to do better is he needs to drive and stop and pop
from 10 to 12 ft on alot of his drives. He too often goes to far and ends up
putting up off balance , contested shots that would be easier if he would stop
his drive and pop the open jumper. If the lane is open all the way take it, I
know drawing fouls is important but doing it smartly is what I want. I too
like what I see in Haywards game better than CJ's , mostly because of how he
sees the floor better. Also Hayward plays better D.
The Jazz are smart to exercise the option on CJ. They can use him in a trade
for a little salary reduction, if they were to trade him before the trade
deadline. There will be plenty of teams who would take him to help dump salary.
It could backfire, however. If he is not traded by the deadline and has a
breakout year, then we will have another Matthews situation. The odds are on
the Jazz' side. He hasn't had a breakout year as yet and has been with the team
6 years. I think the Jazz did the right thing. Don't want to spend money for a
guy who hasn't shown that he has even earned the money he has received.
To JFFR: anonigma and Peter were talking about Hayward, not CJ Miles.
@panamadesnewsyou got it wrong...they were talking about Miles not
Hayward...backread before calling people off
I am looking forward to the changes Corbin will make. The Jazz have a good
system, but it is too predictable. Come play off time, if it still can happens,
the Jazz need some unpredictability. To keep some long term players like CJ (6
years), AK (10 years), Miles (5 years), Price (6 years), and Okur (9 years),
will help this talented young team. The character of the team is its most
valuable asset. All NBA players are talented, how well do they fit into a team
concept measures the secret of success. There is a remarkable opportunity here,
I am hoping it materializes, and I believe Corbin is that material man. Those of
you that believe it can happen, Kudos to you, those that don't need to join the
Chicken Little Club, your sky is falling, or maybe your fly is open. It is time
that the nay sayers go away. Grow to new heights Jazz.