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  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 25, 2011 12:25 a.m.

    Burks is a shooting guard who can't shoot. He's Ronnie Brewer part II. He can crate for himself better than Brewer, but is still, like Brewer, an athletic slasher who can finish, but not drain 3 point shots.

    Burks can score but he shot 29% in college from the 3 point line. That's awful given the shorter 3 point line and lower level defense in the college game.

    As for Kanter, I am optimistic. He is still a work in progress, as are the others in this years draft.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 25, 2011 3:21 a.m.

    @gdog3finally

    this is why the jazz have a shooting coach...Man...you are so negative...Jason Kidd shot bad from the three...and lo and behold...he worked on it..now you can count on him to drain it....Gordon Hayward shot horrendous during his second year at butler...scouts questioned it...teams questioned it...most of you guys questioned it when he was drafted (i never questioned it..coz i know the kid can ball)...and do you know his percentage at the 3?...45%...wait till after 2-3 years...then judge him...right now...you dont have the right...since he hasnt played or worked on it yet...

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    Alec Burk is NOT Ronnie Brewer. Kakashi is right, the Jazz have a fantastic shooting coach. Keep in mind, Gordon Hayward also shot 29% from 3pt line his senior year.

    Hornacek made a legit 3 point shooter out of Hayward and Matthews. He helped Korver set a league record in 3pt shooting. Burk will be fine.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 25, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    gdog3finally: "Burks can score but he shot 29% in college from the 3 point line."

    Why don't I change that slightly to read: "Wade can score but he shot 29.2% in eight NBA seasons from the 3 point line."

    Wade's 3-pt percentagefor each of his eight NBA seasons?
    30.2
    28.9
    17.1
    26.6
    28.6
    31.7 (career best)
    30.0
    30.6

    Should Miami dump Wade since he is (to borrow your words) "a shooting guard who can't shoot" and "an athletic slasher who can finish, but not drain 3 point shots."

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 25, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    JFFR since you are doling out credit for the Jazz shooting coach lets point out how he has helped Fes at the free throw line. Ronnie Price is a dead eye shot now. Raja Bell averaged 38% from 3 point range for 8 years til Hornacek got a hold of him and now he is less than 20% for last season, and CJ misses with the best of them. Sorry the coach can't just have it one way, he is not good.

  • LKA Tremonton, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Burks is also on a different team and coach..Give the guy a chance and start looking for a cafe that serves "Crow."

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    June 25, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    Im not a Jazz fan but they made a good decision with the draft. now they just have to hope that there will be a basketball season and not a lockout

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    June 25, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    "...team that will one day win an NBA Championship...". (Greg Miller)

    Never say never...right?

    New Orleans Jazz 1974 to 1979.

    Utah Jazz 1979 to 2011...

    2014 will make 40 years...

    40 years in the wilderness...

    "...We live in an impatient world in Sports...". (KOC)

    "...I think you have to be patient...". (KOC)

    Yeah, any JAZZ fan, that would wait around, for almost 40 years, for an NBA Championship is obviously, seriously, impaired with impatience.

    13 NBA Franchises have yet to win an NBA Championship.

    The leaders:

    Phoenix Suns (43 years)

    LA Clippers (41 years)

    Utah Jazz (37 years)

    (I think the JAZZ are safe from taking the top spot, thanks to the woeful Clips)

    Yeah, so, after "...sleeping on it...",

    "...Don't Worry, Be Happy...".

    Right?

    Go Jazz.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 25, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    I'm not a firm believer you can really teach a player to shoot at the professional level. You can perhaps teach a player about better shot selection (chances are Burks and Hayward threw up a lot of questionable shots as "the man" at their programs).

    Not sure about Jason Kidd's stats but can't ever remember him being a great shooter (2 or 3) ever. Let's not get him mixed up with John Stockton.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 25, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    Doug: You can teach correct principals/form etc but you can't shoot them for him(Fes), it's not Horny's fault.
    From what I've heard Burks is showing improvement already since the end of the season, that is a good omen. I'm hoping they play Burks at the point alot.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 25, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Current Jazz roster

    Post players: Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Kanter, Okur, Evans

    Wing players: Hayward, Miles (if team exercises its option), Burks, Bell

    Point guards: Harris

    It's obvious where the weakness are. Here is what I would do to fill out the rest of the roster.

    1) Exercise team option on Miles and combine him with Millsap in a trade for Monta Ellis (GS is willing to move him and this would be an attractive package for them)

    1a) If you can't get Ellis figure out a way to trade for Jared Dudley (Phoenix)

    2) Sign Earl Watson for another year of back-up PG

    3) Sign Fes as a bac-up post player (with Millsap traded, Okur still in recovery, Evans still a D-league quality player, the Jazz need someone behind the Jefferson/Favors/Kanter rotation).

    What about PG depth? Supposedly Burks has the skills to play PG for 6-10 minute stretches and I think Hayward could do it in a pinch as well. The Jazz need another guard but I think it could be a combo guard instead of a PG. That will add to the wing and PG depth.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 25, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    There will be several interesting things to watch for after the long off season.
    How will Favors come back? In great shape and with improved skills. Ready to demand the ball and show he can be a scorer?
    Will Evans show he can play some 3? Will he be stronger?
    Will Milsap show he can play more time at the 3.
    Will CJ have worked on his game so he can show he can be consistent? I'll give him one more chance, up to the trade deadline.
    Will Harris come back looking to be more of a passer/facilitator.
    Will Bell play better/same/worse? Do they trade him?
    Do they trade Big Al? Especially now they have Kanter and Favors, or do they look to trade Milsap?
    Will Watson be resigned?
    What about Price/Fes/Elson?
    Last but not least what happens with AK?

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    June 25, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    3 point percentages:

    Gordon Hayward's last season at Butler: 29.4%
    Alec Burks: 29.2%
    .....

  • fastfox Ogden, UT
    June 25, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    @joe5

    I've got a better proposal....pick up Miles, Watson and AK (for absolute minimum).

    Trade Jefferson for Iggy

    Trade Bell and a draft pick for Maynor.

    Solves our wing issue and back-up PG issue.

    We'll be one of the deeper teams in the league and very young too!

    Hope there is n't a lockout because I want to see the Jazz play NOW!!! XD

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 25, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    @fastfox: Not bad.

    I do question why OKC would give us Maynor for Bell and a draft choice. I guess you have to catch their front office in a moment of weakness. I never make that trade if I'm them.

    I also worry about giving up AJ until Kanter and/or Favors prove themselves. To me, you have four guys who need minutes at the post positions (PF/C). AJ, 'Sap, Favors and Kanter (assuming Okur never really makes it back - otherwise you have five). You have 96 minutes/game at the two positions; not enough to go around.

    To me, Millsap is expendable. He is undersized. He has trouble guarding PFs (he's to small) and he's shown he is completely incapable of guarding SFs (too slow laterally). I love Millsap, I really do. So let's treat him right and get him to a team where he can play 35-40 minutes a game instead of eroding his minutes until he becomes a journeyman 3-4 years from now. He's done everything the Jazz have asked from him. Now it's our turn to treat him right.

  • cedar Holladay, UT
    June 25, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    i have never read so much crying about what the jazz do. where are the real fans. why don't you cry babies go and watch bowling for dollars and leave the jazz alone. we should be glad to have a major team in such a neat small state. go jazz. luv ya.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 25, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    @Joe5, Bell was not involved in a trade, he was picked up as a free agent, Maynor was basically given away to OKC in return they took Harpering and his 6 or 7 million dollar contract after which he retired. It was a money saving thing.

    Also Wade's 3 pointers came from NBA 3 point line with NBA defenders on him and he makes them when the game is on the line.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 25, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    @Doug10, Do you seriously think that Hornacek went to a proven veteran and one of the more respected 3 point shooters in the NBA and asked him to change his shooting style? I don't think so.

    Also you seriously need to get another source for your stats, Bell hit 35% of his 3's last season.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    Can't wait for the Clipper's season to start. Jazz.......................boring. Sacramento is going to be exciting now. Go Clippers.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    @CaptainL, after watching some video of Burkes is scary good inside 15 foot so i'm kind of coming around, but I don't think I would put too much stock in improved shooting when he's doing it at workouts, CJ makes almost all of his 3's in workouts.

    If a team goes out and drafts players hoping to teach them to shoot their looking for trouble.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    @shaybo: Do you understand the context of the Bell/Maynor discussion? If you notice the post before mine, someone recommended that we trade Bell and a draft pick for Maynor. The discussion was about a future event, not a past one.

    That's the problem with these message boards. Any two-bit commenter can listen to a small part of the conversation and then, in an effort to sound smarter than he really is, interrupt the adults with some off-the wall remark.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    An honest mistake, missed the comment above, but being a two bit jerk is for real.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:55 a.m.

    To ute alumni: The Clippers are not Sacramento. The Clippers are LA. Sacramento is the Kings!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 26, 2011 3:00 a.m.

    The Jazz have taken steps in the right direction. KOC will need to make a few further adjustments. Those may come soon or may take more than a year to develop but he Jazz are moving in the right direction.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    How would Milsap for Branden Roy work?

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    June 26, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Capt L,good take,I followed Burks last year at CU,he`s gonna surprise a bunch of you,I`d still give Millsap a shot at the starting 3 spot,share his minutes with Hayward

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Shaybo: I worry about Burks and his shooting, that has been my concern about him all along but I like to try to be positive and hope for the best. Shooting is one aspect of the game that with hard work can improve, so I'm hoping Burks will work hard and improve, kinda like Hayward did last yr.
    Milsap for Roy? No I don't think so, I don't trust Roys knees. Not worth the risk.
    I like Milsap and pieces for Granger.
    I want to give CJ one more chance to show he can be consistent, if he can be consistent it will make the difference in at least 10 wins. Thats how inconsistent CJ was last yr.
    Like I said, I like to have high hopes to start each yr, we'll see what happens.
    It will take time for these youngsters to come around so they can contribute in a major way, we'll have to be patient.
    I love the talented young players we have though.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 26, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    we need a young PG....but not Russell Westbrick....Jeff Teague?....or DJ Augustine....maybe we could have'em for harris?...or Paul?..

    i hope Favors demand the ball more...and make Hayward the catalyst of the offense...let him run loose...and create plays...i love the stretch they had against the Lakers at the end of the season...Hayward being responsible for almost all of the buckets...let hayward become the Jazz's better version of Manu Ginobili....

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    @CaptainL, I agree Roy's a risk but he is absolutely a game changer and one of the few we could get without selling the farm, knee problems can be fixed, look at AJ. Roy would be a great mentor for Burkes.

    I could totally live with a trade that would bring in Granger though, if we didn't have to give up too much.

    I would kind of hate to see Milsap go though, knowing how hard he works during the off season to improve, especially until after we see him this coming season. I think he is quick enough to guard the 3 if he can get over the 4 mentality that makes him tend to drop off his guy on the wing and drop into the lane, a problem Ak has also.

  • cedarpost Washington, Utah
    June 26, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    So Kanter averaged 2 points a game in the Euroleague. If were lucky he'll average 10 pt and 10 reb in his best years. Definitely not worth the 3rd pick. Sorry. There's a lot more darkos than dirks. Wasted opportunity. top 3 picks rarely come around.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 26, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Shaybo: I agree about Milsap, sometimes I think trading Paul is what we need to do, because he hss the most value and other times I hate the thought of it. I think now that we have Kanter in the fold, Big Al may be the better choice to move. He too should have high value and get us needed help. The problem may be that the FO may want to keep everyone until they see how Kanter and Favors perform this year. Big Al's numbers would need to be picked up by those two mostly and they need to show they can do it.
    I don't think Roys knees are fixable, he's had surgery but if I remember right it is like bone on bone, kinda like the kid with SA. If it were just repairs then I'd agree, but I don't think his knees can be fixed.
    I hate the thoughts that there won't be any summer league and possibly preseason or even a delay in starting the season. Very frustrating.
    I want to give CJ one more chance to prove he can be consistent. If he can he is a good player, trade deadline or out.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 26, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Cedarpost: Do you just like to be negative? How much have you looked at Kanters career?
    He was MVP of the U18 European Championship, even as he played against prospects a year older than him. In the semi-final game, he posted 32 points, 25 rebounds and two blocks in 39 minutes against the tournament champion Serbia team. The bronze medal game was even better. In 36 minutes, Kanter scored 35 points on 16/22 shooting. He also grabbed 19 rebounds, stole three balls and blocked four shots against the Lithuanian team and big man prospect named Jonas Valanciunas. His overall tournament statistics were 18.6 points, 16.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.8 blocks

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    June 26, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    @Kakashi
    I think the Jazz can wait until next year's draft as far as PG is concerned. They will have a better idea by then if Burks can fill the role well, at least up to half of the game. Would love to know if he has talked to John Stockton yet. Good thoughts on Hayward roaming and being more of a play starter. He and Burks moving on offense will give other teams a headache, that's for sure. Both of them getting back on D is important, too.

    San Antonio's Popovich is adamant that his players get back on defense. Both Hayward and Burks move well on offense, but Burks needs to improve staying between the person he is defending and the basket and gettin lower in his stance, but he'll get there. Watch Ginobili after he scores and how fast he races back to the defensive end. Anyway, good times.

  • LKA Tremonton, UT
    June 26, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    Brando Roy will never be the same. His contract makes AK contract look like a blessing. There is no team stupid enough to take that on for what they will get. Roy will be lucky to get through one more season before hanging it up.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    June 27, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    I think that Memo could be a part of any trade scenario. Memo's 10 million should be a good bargaining chip.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 27, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    @Jazz-Nation

    i think its more of a plus to us keeping memo...rather than trading him...he would serve as Kanter's Mentor for a year or two...plus..once his contract is up...that's a major cap relief on our part...i say hold on to him unless a very good offer is given...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 27, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    @CaptainL, While Jefferson is a really good player, his value is not that great because of his 15 million contract, while Milsap at 6.2 mil next year would be a steal, having said that it's kind of a steal for us to have him also, probably should hang on to him, at least long enough to see how much he improves his #3 skills, who knows he may come back as the outside shooter we need that way he works during the off season.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 27, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Maybe we could do a sign and trade with AK.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 27, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    Sign and trade only works if a player is a restricted free agent. In that case, the team that holds his rights can offer him more than another team. If a player is unrestricted, there is no advantage to a sign and trade. Any team can just make a deal with the player without giving any compensation at all.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2011 8:31 p.m.

    I think the Jazz hit a couple of home runs with their picks. Kanter has more upside than anyone in this draft. From hearing coach Cal talk the Jazz are lucky that Kanter was ruled ineligible to play or he would have went #1.

    Burks also has huge upside, but his upside depends on his ability to improve his outside shooting and defense, he has great instincts and all the physical tools to succeed, if he has the work ethic to go along with it he could be the steal of the draft.

    Both of the Jazz's picks have high bust potential but if they pan out 5 years from now the Jazz will be one of the best teams in the NBA.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    June 29, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    If there is a lockout what happens in the draft lottery ?
    Do we keep # 3 and # 12 picks ?