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Majority of Americans want illegal immigrants to be blocked at border, according to poll

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  • SummerlinUte LAS VEGAS, NV
    June 24, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    It seems to me that part of the problem is one of supply and demand. If there was a way for foreign workers to legally come and work when they are needed and return when they are not needed, there would be no reason for them to come illegally. When there is work and no legal means to get here, they will come illegally. Until congress address this reality, no amount of money thrown at "blocking" the border will be enough.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Wait - I thought we were supposed to embrace our "illegal friends"?? Isn't the new Utah law all about making illegal entry more attractive? Sounds to me like the "real" poll numbers prove the majority of Americans are SICK of being overrun by illegal law breakers along with the violence, drugs and increased taxes they bring with them ... and want it stopped!!

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    This indicates to me the possibility that almost 75% of Americans have been snowed by the fearmongering propaganda regarding "securing our borders".

    Military industrial types are absolutely titillated by this modern twist towards neo-Feudalism with huge expensive walls and weaponry being erected by already broke governments across the world. Defense is always a good idea. Superfluous and expensive draconianism and tyranny are things I find less wise.

    America needs less "Berlin Wall"s and more Statues of Liberty. Remember the inscription on that statue? The one that challenges the world to offer their poor and oppressed and downtrodden to the 'land of the free' -- the 'land of opportunity'?

    It seems that we are the Zarahemla-ites in the Book of Mormon, hypocritically and pointlessly pouring money and time into our Ramemptoms so that we can stand atop them and thank God for allowing us to be born where we are, declaring our many entitlements that we claim because of that blessing, and condemning all others as obviously cursed and unworthy of what is only "rightfully" ours and ours alone.

    I'm glad my ancestors got in before all this. But I bet they'd be sorely disappointed.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me"

    Not anymore. Pass laws that make it impossible for them to come, then when they break those laws, catch them and send those huddled masses back to poverty. America became great by adhering to its core values, and it will be great no longer when it abandons them.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Millions of people come here LEGALLY every year. It's not like an impossible process or anything.

    I still say go after employers. If nobody will hire illegals then illegals will stop coming.

    And we DON'T need illegal workers for anything. Unemployment in this nation is 10%. On top of that another 15% are underemployed... working part-time because that's all they can find. How many million jobs are being taken by illegals?

    You say illegals take jobs Americans won't do because the pay or benefits aren't good enough. I say without illegal labor the industries offering these jobs would have to pony up the cash and hire honest American workers or go out of business. It's that easy.

    If McDonald's suddenly couldn't find anyone willing to flip burgers for $8/hr what do you think they would do? They would offer $9/hr or $10/hr or whatever it took to find people to do the job.

    The industries benefiting from illegal labor are keeping standards of living down for everyone because they don't pay a living wage. When our lowest bracket of workers can't survive on what they bring in what kind of message is that sending?

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    June 24, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    "A majority of Americans believe the need for government action to block illegal immigrants at the border is important..."

    Too funny! Almost half of illegals come here on legitimate visas but overstay. The border patrol can check all they wish at the border but it does little to nothing about keeping illegals out of this country.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    "Utahvoter" I hope you understand that there are still LEGAL ways to emigrate to the U.S.

    I wonder if you feel that "any and all" should be able to live in the U.S. if they desire? There are about 5 billion of those folks.

    Or should we ONLY allow those who dash across the Arizona desert be the recipients of our generosity (free medical, education, welfare, etc.)?

    Should we just eliminate all borders?

  • Miss Piggie SLC, Utah
    June 24, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    @SummerlinUte: "If there was a way for foreign workers to legally come and work when they are needed and return when they are not needed, there would be no reason for them to come illegally."

    Where have you been, Summer? There is a way. Federal law provides for work visas. The problem is, foreign workers don't go home when the seasonal work ends and/or their visas expire.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    It sure seems foolish to send 1200 or so National Guard to our borders (each of them defending a mile or so, I guess), but not allowing them to use force. It makes eminent sense that we should be putting troops on our border, the same as we do on our coasts with the Coast Guard.

    But, the borders only count for half of the illegal population in our country. The rest overstay their visas or get here through other means. So, while we should get serious about securing our borders, we need to also go after the illegals that are already here or will be here. Support the requirement of using eVerify. That and checking fingerprints of arrested people would be a good start.

  • wrz SLC, Utah
    June 24, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    @Sasha Pachev: "America became great by adhering to its core values..."

    Yes, and one of our core values is obeying the laws of the land. Without that we have anarchy.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    It is not impossible to come visit the U.S. or to obtain a work visa. We give out tens of thousands of these work visas every year. They don't even cost that much, and most employers are willing to pay for it, especially if we start holding businesses accountable for hiring known illegals.

    All of your ancestors had to register with the United States when they were immigrating to the U.S. No country has an open border allowing anyone to come and go whenever they please for whatever reason.

    There is no excuse for illegal immigration. We have "Latino groups" that condone and facilitate illegal immigration. It simply has to stop! Now!!

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    June 24, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    If the only consequence for someone here illegally is to be shipped back to their homeland, people are going to continue to take the risk. If they get caught, they go back home and try it again until they get caught again.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    June 24, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    FitnessFreak,

    I absolutely feel that our borders should be well-defined because I also understand why others would want to leave their nations of origin to immigrate here. I don't think it would be wise to blur those lines.

    But I don't fear being overrun by immigrants. We have plenty of space and plenty of resources. It would take an overnight influx of almost 4 billion of those immigrants before we'd even begin to approach the kind of population density of modern day England. No, we're not facing those kinds of problems.

    I still believe that every person is equal in the eyes of God. I still believe in liberty, opportunity, and industry.

    When my ancestors immigrated here they weren't stealing jobs, in my opinion. They created industries and cities and innovated and prospered. America could have built Berlin Walls back in 1640 or 1776 or 1850 - and thank goodness we didn't.

    I don't understand the sense of entitlement of today's naturally born U.S. citizens. If our misbegotten 'social welfare' programs do not scale well then they won't scale well with large U.S. Mormon families or other growth and success either. Scapegoating "scary" foreigners doesn't solve that.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    So when did bought-and-paid-for politicians care about what citizens and taxpayers want? Oh, wait . . . they don't. If you were part of the cheap-labor lobby and giving tens of thousands to politicians who vote for an absurdity like HB 116, then you'd matter. But otherwise, you just get to keep paying for the invasion in many, many ways. And you also get to keep listening to all the people who are devoid of rationality and common sense tell you that we need to accept the entire third-world on our doorstep and our welfare roles.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    ouisc:

    That's just it, obviously the "tens of thousands" of work visas we give out are not enough to meet demand. Not even close. Nor are the amount of citizenships granted each year enough.

    What the government is doing is not enough compared to the demand for immigration. Believe me. I know many people who have spent years trying to enter the country or become citizens. I know we can't let everyone in, but we make it so painful that people just go the easy route and hop the border.

    patriot:

    "Isn't the new Utah law all about making illegal entry more attractive?" No. Its about granting legal entry to the State of Utah to those who want to be here to work. Its about getting people who are already here illegally to pay fines and come out of obscurity.

    The slander I have seen from the far right recently reminds me of the slander from the far left we saw when Bush was in office. Whether a staunch environmentalist or a staunch border protectionist, I see the same mentality: blockade instead of progress.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    "Utahvoter" thank you! I respect your opinion.

    The problem I think comes when we are required by law to provide SIGNIFICANT support to any/all who manage to arrive here. In Utah that amounts to about 400 million per year. Yours and my ancestors probably didn't ask/expect that.

    There are a variety of measures that would most likely be more effective than building fences or walls but those aren't being used either.

    I don't think EITHER political party has REALLY wanted to secure the border, but for different reasons.

    The citizens are now DEMANDING it, one way or another.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Here you DesNews and Dan Jones - your poll said 61% favored HB116. And this poll wants the border closed. Only 7% said if was not important to stop these people at the border. And the majority of people don't want amnesty for those already here illegally. Try going to another country without proper entry and proper identification - find out what happens.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    @FitnessFreak,

    Thanks, I also respect your point of view. I'm not certain where these numbers -- ie $400 million -- are coming from regarding the cost of undocumented immigrants. When I've tried to research it myself I've run into lots of bogus numbers and faulty logic.

    Immigrants -- both those that manage to jump through our new hoops and those that don't -- are a substantial part of our current economy. They contribute to the workforce, they start new (and legitimate) businesses, they rent homes in this down-market, and purchase property. Kicking them all to the border would not only be expensive on the front-end, but it would eliminate that many more residents that are allowing property taxes and other incomes to be collected. I'm not certain we are losing $400 million a year on that segment of the population -- if anything.

    The one place that the system is certainly broken is with EMTALA (or whatever the acronym) that mandates hospitals *must* provide any healthcare to any and all that "can't" pay. That seems broken whether you are dealing with immigrants or not. One of the reasons I support HB116 is that applicants are required to get insurance like us.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    We repatriot more people and a higher percentage of people who enter our country legally than nearly every other country. We are doing more for the welfare of our neighbors than anywhere else in the world. If it's still not enough for you, contact your legislature to increase funding for the INS.

    The INS is not broken to the point of needing to facilitate millions of people here illegally. These illegal aliens could have have come legally in the same droves they're invading our country.

    No whining. No excuses. Enforce our freakin laws, already!

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    June 24, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    "As long as there's a market, as long as there's a profit, there will always be someone taking a chance on getting that product through."

    Absolutely true!

    So what if we do this: Let's legalize these drugs and make them available in the drug stores, with a provision that we know who is purchasing them. We would need to enforce laws for mis-use of these items, such as driving while under the influence, in public, etc. No doubt, some people will self-destruct with this system, but they are already doing that. This will take the profit away from the cartels. Our big "War on Drugs" is not working.

    We fix the next part of the problem by having a federal E-verify that will penalize severely emmployers who hire illegal aliens. When most of the jobs dry up, then the magnet of attraction will disappear and not so many will be coming here.

    Instead of having our troops defending borders in some foreign country, let's bring them home and defend our own borders. If they must die, let them die here defending the country they have sworn to protect. No more "cannon fodder"!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    "Utahvoter" - I live and work all around illegal immigrants. MOST ARE hardworking. Some are not. The problem becomes how do we separate the "contributors" from the "users" without involving an orderly immigration system.
    I EMPHATICALLY don't believe HB116 does that.
    I DO KNOW that I see MANY illegal immigrants going through the grocery store lines with WIC, food stamps, (usually both)but they always have a wad of cash for the beer and imported soda.

    Interestingly, involving EMTLA, I recently found myself in a hospital waiting room for about 3 hours (long story)and there was a latin woman with her 2 kids who had come in through the emergency room and was DEMANDING an MRI and CT scan for one of her kids. The hospital staff was trying to tell her that the child didn't need it, and they didn't have anyone to interpret the results of the tests even if they did administer it. I wasn't SUPPOSED to be hearing all this I'm sure but they had to bring an interpreter who talked quite loud. The woman knew if she left that would END her emergency visit so she wouldn't leave until she had the tests!

  • nehimomma Parsons, KS
    June 24, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    @ouisc
    Dude here are the numbers, the visa's that you think are so cheap:
    Visa Petitions:
    Immigrant petition for relative $420
    Orphan (intercountry adoption) immediate relative petition $720

    Immigrant application fee's:
    Immediate relative and family preference applications $330
    Employment-based applications $720
    Other immigrant visa applications $350

    Other Fee's:
    Diversity Visa Lottery fee $440
    Affidavit of Support Review $88
    Immigrant visa security surcharge $74

    Now the average yearly income for some of our southern countries:
    Mexico: $5178
    Brazil: $2800
    El Salvador: $1900
    Peru: $1800
    Ecuador $1044
    Bolivia $920.11
    Honduras $827
    Haiti $480

    For not so south neighbors
    Japan 35K
    Denmark 30K
    UK 24K
    Germany 23K
    Canada 20K

    We charge the same amount whether your from Japan or Honduras. Is that really fair?? How long do you think it takes someone from Honduras to gather enough money for a visa?

    We won't even discuss that our country would rather give the visa to the Japanese person instead of the person from Honduras.

    Oh & don't count on refugee status...unless your from Cuba.

    Please remember these numbers when someone tells you that it's cheap & easy to get a visa.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 24, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    We can't stop murder nor can we stop robbery either, but we can slow them down. A border wall will never stop the problem, but if it reduces it 75-80% it's a huge victory, and makes the problem more manageable.

  • dlw7 LOGAN, UT
    June 24, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Are local governments listening to these polls? Those that do and pass strict legislation as viewed with horror and accused of being thoughtless, uncaring and racist just to mention a few of the milder words.
    Are the legislators in Congress listening? Is the President of the United States listening? There is no evidence of action on their part. Polls are only good things if they lead to actions to right the situation.

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    June 24, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    I find it really strange all the people crying for the illegal's. One question, why should any American be held accountable to the laws of the land while 12 million non-Americans can just pick and choose to follow the law.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    June 25, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    As long as employment laws are not enforced against employers, it will be impossible to defend the border without shooting people. Yes there are federal and even state laws against the employment of illegal aliens, but generally ignored due to non-enforcement. Even the Utah Attorney General has stated that his office would not even enforce ID theft laws when used for the purpose of employment.

    Closing the border would not even come close to solving the problem, though it would be a good step forward. Nearly 45 percent of illegal aliens enter the United States on some type of visa and then intentionally overstay the visa and become an illegal alien.

    Since human trafficking, illegal alien smuggling, and drug smuggling are joined together in crossing the border and transporting further into the United States by Mexican cartels, corruption in Mexico and the U.S. has become so pervasive that it has become nearly impossible to stop.

    Drug smuggling and illegal alien smuggling have the same root cause, American Greed.