The first part of Brad Rock's column is a rehash of what has been written
countless times by countless columnists and bloggers. Brad could have just
mailed it in or posted a handful of links that make the same points on Jimmer's
pluses and minuses.The last couple of paragraphs have some original
thinking, however, and I find myself agreeing with it. Jimmer is better off
starting his NBA career somewhere else. If he and the Jazz are destined for each
other, it can easily happen later.
And not picking Fredette could end up even more frustrating.
wow brad, I hope Jimmer gets taken by the Kings/Suns, and every time he drops
20+ in the ESA, everyone chants YOU GOT JIMMERED!
Very well said Rock. You have put together the entire breakdown of concerns I
have about Jimmer. Depending on the route the Jazz go early with the
3rd pick, or if they trade picks, I wouldn't be too down if the Jazz picked
Jimmer at #12. He has some intrigue with me. Despite what many fans
vent out when picks don't pan out, the 12th pick is somewhat of a crab shoot
anyway. Another concern to consider with Jimmer is with the
disillusioned Jimmer fans that will clamour about how Jimmer should start and
play 30 minutes a night. I would not want to be Tyrone Corbin relative to
dealing with that.
Hey Mr Rock: so you're another Jimmer doubter- ho hum. The only thing I agree
with on your amatuerish car analogy is this: I certainly hope Jimmer doesn't end
up in Utah because he'd be better off running his creative engine in an
end-to-end game in another state and another system. You are just another lazy
writer who spews a few numbers referencing some of Jimmer's lower-percentage
games without recognizing that Jimmer was double-and triple-teamed ALL year.
That is not going to happen in the NBA. NEWS FLASH: Jimmer will have to work
hard in the NBA to develop to his full potential (like Stockton/ Nash/ Williams/
Parker/Curry,etc). So what- you don't think Knight and Walker and Irving will
have to do the same? Go Jazz! choose more "athletic" players and stay
as mediocre as you have been since un-atheletic Stockton left you.
I'm with you Rock!Please Jazz, draft Brandon Knight!Let
Jimmer go to another team and if he does alright, then, like Rock said, sign him
or acquire him via trade. But don't use a pick on him.Thanks for the
Thank you! Someone writing an article about Jimmer not blinded by pure love or
distain. I look at JJ Redick to examine what Jimmer's career could be like. JJ
had unlimited range while in college and could light it up any given night, just
like Jimmer. When JJ went to the pros his shooting constancy dropped. While he
still put adequate shooting numbers, they were no where near the production he
had in college. Jimmer has a better chance of scoring in the NBA than Redick
because of his ability to drive, but I think his lack of height and average
speed will hinder this ability. The fact is, the NBA is much faster than the
college game; open shots in college are no longer open in the pros because of
the closing speed these players have.
NOT picking up Fredette will wind up frustrating for the Jazz. I loved being on
the positive end of seeing other teams Jimmered. What would be frustrating is
the Jazz being Jimmered.
Rock says: "NBA Draft: Picking Jimmer Fredette could wind up frustrating
for Jazz"Not any more frustrating than picking DWill and all
the rest O'Connor and the powers that be have done since Stockton and Malone.
Of course Kevin and Greg were not even involved back then.So, get out the dart board. It couldn't be worse than what the powers that be
have done since the Laydens went to New York.Then, on the other
hand, pick Jimmer. At worst the Energy Solutions would be filled, at
least until they trade him away.
OK. Picking Jimmer is a risk. That is true. However, picking anyone other
than Kyrie Irving is also a risk.You state flatly about Brandon
Knight, "The Kentucky guard is athletic and skilled enough to thrive
immediately." That is not true. Knight will take at least a couple of
years to develop. Right now, he is not a true point guard, he has problems
shooting, he suffers from a lack of court vision, and is not known as a good
facilitator. Obviously, Knight has some virtues (size, quickness, defense) and
has tremendous upside, too, but he will not automatically start clicking at the
NBA level and make the Jazz a contender right away.
who needs him let him go hes so over rated its pathetic
Being objective about Jimmer in this market could get a contract put out on the
author's life. I just read an article where a good share of the posters thought
the Jazz should take Fredette at #3.
Do not underestimate The Jimmer!
Nice take on the Jimmer, Mr. Rock. Love the 10 year career back-up because he
is too short, too slow, and can't defend the other quick pgs in the leaque.
Couple of questions, who can guard these pgs, given the current
"no-touch" rules. Williams is slow, and had almost no interest in
defense, but he is an all-star. Fact is Jimmer may be slower, but he is by far
the strongest built of any of the top four guards in this draft. He will always
be able to get his shot off, and no player in the country, especially in the NBA
faced the defensive pressure Jimmer faced every game. But, the Jazz should not
take him, because a difference maker should go some place else where they have a
real chance to win.
It's a good thing that it does not matter to anyone what Brad thinks.Jimmer we do very well in his profession...and I doubt NBA execs are listening
Wow, lots of negatives, Brad. Why don't you just say "Don't take
Jimmer?" As far as your article, I remember when they doubted
Shawn Bradley "could play an 82-game NBA schedule." That's as trite a
line as Utah educators saying the per-pupil spending is the lowest in the
nation; we've heard those gripes for over 50 years but where's their solutions
for education reform? In your case, where's the one obvious "golden
draftable athlete" the Jazz need? (Hint: They've never had a great
"big man" - NEVER.)Why admit that style took precedence
over function when buying a car? Could perhaps emotional attachment or a biased
opinion rendering controversial on-the-edge reporting take precedence over
substance in your sports opinions, too?Isn't it strange how Jimmer
was hard to officiate, is a puzzle to those deciding where he should be drafted
and doesn't really fit the NBA Culture (thankfully), but no one ever said he was
a jerk, hard to play with, difficult to coach or failed to give his all during a
game? Maybe the qualities that matter most aren't the ones being
discussed because they're obvious. Aren't you really just trying to sell
Replace the name Fredette with Stockton and this could be an article prior to
John Stockton be drafted. If the Jazz aren't willing to take a little risk then
they will get what they asked for, a quick athletic player that does nothing for
them because they lack the intangibles. Fredette is full of intangibles as was
Stockton. Fredette might turn out to be an average NBA player, but at 12 I think
the risk is worth the potential reward.
DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your
thoughtful comments.-----Especially after so little thought
was put into the article...
Clearly athleticism is everything Rock. There is no way Jimmer can be a star
because he can't be like Stockton or Nash or even Jason Kidd for that matter.
Not to mention Jimmer is more athletic than he is given credit for, I mean did
you see the SI cover?Also Ronnie Price and Earl Watson aren't under
contract for next year so why does Jimmer need to wait 4 years for them to move
on? If the Jazz go big with the first pick they should pick Jimmer if he is
still available at 12.
There seems to be a growing knock on Fredette about his inability to fit within
the NBA - I beg to differ. BYU's game plan was not built on the athleticism of
its players but on the quick strike because any member of the team could score
from anywhere on the floor. Fredette thrived in that environment because he was
always one step ahead of the defenders - not quickness but floor sense (like a
quarterback reading the defense before the snap). Fredette was a team player at
BYU - I watched game after game where he would go 5 and 7 minutes without
shooting - passing to the open man. He would still get his points later on when
he became the open man. Did he force the ball? Of course he did, especially
when his teammates were not scoring and points were needed. What NBA player
doesn't do that? I am sure that Fredette would prefer not to carry the team,
but he excels when he does just like past and present NBA greats do. His size
is a non-issue when you consider that small players have succeeded in the past.
The Jazz would be strengthened by drafting him.
It is hard for me to understand all the criticism he gets. You do not become
the BEST PLAYER in college on scoring alone. Look at the criticism Larry Bird
got. Slow white kid that can not jump or defend. With his intellegence and
character he will adapt very quickly to the NBA. Other guards will have just as
much trouble guarding him as he may have guarding them. His overall stats were
just as good as all the other guards in the draft. He led BYU in both scoring
and assists and had decent rebounds. And his assits to turn over ratio was not
bad as he was double and triple teamed and mugged so much of the time. No, I
think he will become a star in the NBA.
Brad, you're way off.1st, it's obvious from anyone bothering to look
it up, Jimmer's height is similar to MANY successful NBA point guards.2nd, no coach is going to shackle a player's range, especially when that range
is as consistent and hard to guard as Jimmer's. Jimmer's cross-over can break
down a defense if guarded too closely outside the trey line.3rd,
name a PG who can consistently guard any other NBA PG. There isn't one. Quick
PGs get by other quick PGs all the time. Team defense is the key to any
successful team, and the finals showed that.4th, Barea isn't quicker
or faster than Jimmer. His shortness made it easier for him to get around guys
by dribbling UNDER them.5th, the Jazz might need to draft two PGs,
because they only have one under contract, and he's definitely not the PG of the
Jazz future--can't run a team effectively (too much of an Iverson type). And,
Watson, if they bring him back, will always be a backup.6th,
Fredette CAN score at the rim, in traffic, getting bumped, and around taller
shot blockers. He'll see the free throw line a lot.
Prejudice! Pure and simple. Passing judgment on Fredette like this before he has
even stepped onto an NBA court is a "White Men Can't Jump"
generalization that is unfair to a true and deserving talent. I hope he proves
sports writers everywhere how unintelligent and biased they really are. No other
unproven commodity is suffering this kind of ridiculous scrutiny. Stop it
There is not room in this newspaper to tell of all the top fast athletic players
who disappointed in the NBA, so what we know for sure is we don't know anything.
Dont throw away another pick. Go with the Jimmer. I think the work ethic
Jimmer has demonstrated during four years of college should be given high marks
and make him a more likely performer in the NBA. Brandon Knight is a kid and is
untested. Jimmer has proven himself a winner. Don't doubt him. He is going
to make someone very happy they picked him.
Jimmer is better than Knight now! However, because he doesn't look like a
"NBA PLAYER" (Stereotype, think about it) he is "SLOW".
Everyone said Kimba was better, but Jimmer took him to school. Jimmer would have
taken Knight to school if he had the &*lls to go against him. Everyone
forgets that Jimmer isn't just a Riddick that spots up. Jimmer can create his
own shot, drive the lane, and pass. Dont' have a heart attack.
Jimmer is better than Stockton was after College. 99% of the people who dont
want Jimmer on the Jazz are Ute fans who are traumatized by all the BYU
publicity created by Jimmer. Watching Jimmer score 30 on the Jazz would be
great vindication. If the Jazz dont pick him the team that does just got
millions of new fans all buying jerseys. Trade Harris and Draft
Jimmer and youll still have a team in three years.
Hey Brad: The Kings would love to have Jimmer. He would help to fill the
seats at Arco..er I mean Power Balance Pavilion. And next year he would have
even more fans in Anaheim.
Brad, you are absolutely clueless on Fredette. You must have a twin brother who
writes for the Sun in San Bernardino. He is also clueless when it comes to
evaluating athletes. You have failed to read the comments of team members when
it comes to defending and you have also failed to read and understand what other
teams have said about his quickness and speed. You also think Jimmer is so
stupid that he would not learn how to make nuance changes in his approach to the
basket to avoid it being blocked. Also why would a coach not want
him to shoot 35 foot shots if he can make 43% of them. Brad you should get
another job where you can look a little more savy. Right now you show you have
written about sports, but do not understand sports.
We certainly don't want the Jazz to put a player on the floor that most of us
actually want to see. What a nightmare for the 4000 Ute basketball
fans of which a few hundred also follow the Jazz.Go ahead, Jazz,
disappoint once again.
I'm sorry rock but did you watch any BYU games this year? Jimmer always had
"bigger, stronger, and more athletic" people guarding him. One is a
potential top 10 pick (Leonard). None of them succeeded and all needed help.The NBA is faster but there will be more skilled players around Jimmer
thee as well. He will and cannot be double teamed every night. His assists
will likley double. How frustrating was it to watch Jimmer pass to a wide open
teammate who missed an open jumper, even though Jimmer had 4 defenders
surrounding him.You also mention Knight being ready to play now but
read any mock draft and they all say Jimmer is probably the most NBA ready
player there is right now.You mention adjusting to a longer season.
That is something every college player has to make. Did Jimmer get tired. It
appeared so but did you watch the second half of the MWC schedule. None of the
refs knew how to blow a whistle when Jimmer had the ball. 1 foul shot when he
laid out New Mexico for 52!
Rock, the best point you make are the Jazz are deficient on perimeter defense
and they need help shooting the outside shot. Jimmer helps with one of those
two so trade down and get the kid from Florida St or Burks from Colorado to help
with the other.Harris has done well as a starting PG. Where's his
D. Steve Nash anyone (MVP).Jimmer will be fine wherever he ends up
and has the potential to thrive put into the right system with the right players
around him. If the Jazz pass on him at 12 they better pray he does
not develop into a better PG than Knight at 3 or they'll hear it for many years
to come and it could end up costing some jobs. Or rather should end up costing
some jobs (I forgot this is the Jazz front office where everyone is family first
and the business of winning comes second. Take care your own whether they
desrve it or not.)
Hey Rock, Draft Knight instead and develop him so in 5 years the Jazz can trade
him for a top 10 pick because he does not want to play in Utah anymore but is
searching out the big time in LA, NY, South Beach, etc. Then we can start this
whole process over again!!!Wasn't that hall of fame PG we had a few
years back to small, not quick enough, and couldn't play defense?I
remember a shot from deep behind the 3 pt arc one year that sent the Jazz to
their first NBA finals.Guy was tough as nails though.
Rock, you need to do your homework so you don't look so bad, your way off.
Jimmer has proven to be plenty quick to compete with any of the point guards in
this draft or in the NBA, Jimmer uses stop and go, hesitation, change of
direction, crossovers, banging into his defender,etc to create seperation and
get himself open, he'll be albe to do that at the nest level too. Listen to the
nba scouts who have looked closer at Jimmer, they don't have a problem with his
athleticism or game.
We need a big at the 3. Knights own coach said he would draft Kanter #1. At
#3, he will be just fine, unless Williams falls from #2. At 12, we haven't
exactly kept players taken in the teens. What do we have to lose? We have more
2nd rounders stick than 1st rounders. Draft Jimmer. He isn't as
slow as people want you to believe. Perhaps some race bias? Draft
The Jazz will be sold by 2015 if they don't pick Jimmer. Knight will be another
DW and what to play in big ????, if he's even good enough.
The problem with Mr. Rock's logic is that it can be applied to 85% - 90% of all
early draft picks. Very, very few make a significant impact right our of the
gate and by the time they start to make a contribution it's time for free
Jimmer will be the best number one player ever.
Fredette is not good enough to be a top 5 pick. 7 is probably too early because
there are some really talented players left and it is too early to be drafting
for position. Once you hit the 10th pick most players, according to history,
will not even be average players and will stick only a few years in the league
on average. At this point Jimmer compares well with the rest of the available
players in terms of areas of strength. If the Jazz draft big with #3, they would
be stupid not to draft Fredette with #12. He addresses needs the Jazz have. A
tough nosed backup point with the ability to change a game and create his own
shots. Something Korver could not do. He can also drive and draw fouls. He is
the best outside shooter in the draft this year. He admits he needs to work hard
to become stronger in all areas and he will give everything he has until the day
he hangs up his sneakers. Unlike many players in the draft, he does not think he
is Gods gift to basketball fans everywhere. He remains humble,
Amazing how the Jimmer homers descend and want to crucify anyone who would dare
criticize their chosen one.I will be so happy on Thursday when Stern
does not announce Jimmer at either the #3 or #12 picks :)
I got hammered all year long by all the posters on here on how bad CJ was on
defense. If CJ can't defend in the NBA, why in the world would you think Jimmer
would be an asset to the Jazz who are poor at defense to begin with? At the end of the day, you have to build your team around defense to win
championships. That's why AJ needs to go too. Now is the time for the Jazz to
change the culture of this weak-minded team defensively. It's time to draft
players who play on both ends of the court and trade those who don't to Phoenix
Brad is good at being...funny.Brad does not analyze talent very
well.Keep being funny Brad....Ha ha! You crack me up!
Jimmer is NOT Stockton. While there is a reasonable comparison to size there is
no comparison to quickness. Stockton was far quicker out of college than Jimmer
is right now. The Jazz have many glaring needs that Jimmer cannot fill. AK,
Memo, and Fez are dead weight and do nothing to help the Jazz compete in a tall,
long, and tough Western Conference. The Jazz are small and slow. Jimmer does not
fix that. As for Knight how does he help the Jazz get taller and faster? At the
end of the day these picks are nice but in 5 years both players will be gone to
higher profile teams, D-Will anyone? Better to bundle the picks and get a player
who will be around for a while.
Jimmermania reminds me of a little story that happened in dallas texas starting
back in 1981. The whole city had this godly worship of this family of athletes
called the von erich's. They thought they were gods and could do nobody any
wrong. The pressure for them to be what the public perceived them as led them
all to get heavily addicted to drugs and all but one of them to commit suicide.
So take it from some people who know, godly worship is a very very dangerous
thing. I think it would be better in the long run If jimmer were to go play
somewhere else because this pressure that his fans are putting on him to be this
godly basketball player could end up being his undoing. Just because he is LDS
will not make him immune to such a tragedy.
To Brad Rock: HEADLINE: Not Picking Fredette Could Wind Up Frustrating the Utah Jazz!
CJMiles: The criticism you recieved was because you were unrealistic and CJ's
criticism wouldn't have been nearly so bad if he had been consistent on offense.
CJ's defense wasn't as bad as some would have you think but the fact he was sooo
inconsistent on offense made it hard for fans to ignor his defense. Stats show
CJ's defense wasn't that bad, it was about the same as DWill's. Jimmer will play
better D than people think, he won't be a liability, like Korver was, he just
won't be a stopper.
In regards to what ResoluteVoice said: It may be a smart thing for the Jazz to
draft Euro players, they seem to like it here and don't want to fly the coup as
soon as they can. Jonas V or Kanter, (possibly Vesely) would be good picks at 3
that would probably stay as long as AK , that would be good, (if they turn out
to be as good as we hope), Jimmer would be another player that would be satified
to stay with the Jazz for the long hall. Jonas V & Jimmer, or Kanter &
Jimmer would be my top choices.
Brad you made me laugh. You come up with some pretty funny stuff. You are never
serious so I don't take this article too serious. I've watched Fredette play
throughout his college career. I know the guys a baller and one of the 14 best
players in the draft. He has the awards and a seat in the green room to prove
If the Jazz had ten picks, they would not select Jimmer. If they had twenty,
they would not select Jimmer. If Jimmer was 6 inches taller, 25% faster, could
jump a foot higher, was the greatest defensive player in the draft...they would
still not select Jimmer.
JazzRule | 11:26 a.m. June 19, 2011 Bountiful, UT You'll be
sad when Jimmer is dropping 30 on the 22-60 Jazz that are up for sale. That's
probably ok with you. The Jazz will be like your running utes, sad BB.
Another article on stereotypes. Rock hasn't been paying attention to the NBA
workouts Jimmer has completed, nor did he remember Jimmer's shooting percentages
didn't reflect a tired Jimmer but physical defense by THREE defenders rather
than one.Jimmer will do very well as a starter in the NBA because he
can create and set up teamates. Just watch Rock. His success is as
easy to see coming as christmas.
@Black shirtsIt's Cougar fans like you that make me embarassed for my
Cougar fan friends. For the record, I think Jimmer is an incredible ball player
and am 100% in the "Jazz draft Jimmer camp." And by the way, every Ute
fan that I am aware of thinks Jimmer is going to have a great career in the NBA.
Not only can the kid do that, but he has a classy attitude. Maybe you and the
embarassing Ute/Cougar fans out there should "learn how to Jimmer,"
which is more than banking 3's, but having a humble and respectful attitude
towards your rivals...
Rock is blowing nonsense. Jimmer is quicker/faster than DWill. He will defend
just as well. It is time the media dealt with reality. 1. The Jazz
know Jimmer better than any player on the board and the have 4 years of film.
They are not going to make a mistake about Jimmer. They already know if they
want him. They now exactly what they are going to get. STOP placating the Jimmer
haters. 2. If they make a mistake it will be in undervaluing or
overvaluing one of the other players like Knight or one of the bigs who are
really difficult to evalutate. 3. The undersized argument is shot by
DAL who played 3 undersized Gs at a time. Further, the Jazz run best with 2 PGs
in the game. The Jazz either want Jimmer or they don't. They have
their own reasons. Jimmer is not going to be a bust and he would help Utah. Is
he the best draftee? That depends on how accurate their appraisal is of the
competing draftees. KOC is blowing a smoke screen to hide draft
Jimmer or is against Jimmer. The rebuild takes 2 years. Jimmer is a
Right now there is no one who stands out in this draft. Williams from Arizona is
about the only player I can see that has what the Jazz need but he won't be
around. Picking freshman players is always a big risk. Giving them all that
money without being proven is even a bigger risk. Not many coming out early with
only their freshmen year pan out but there have been some. I love Jimmer but I
think he will fit in for someone else better than the Jazz. I seriously doubt
the Jazz will take him but, hey that's what the draft is for. All we can do is
wait to see how these players turn out in a year or two. Good luck Jimmer.
I know there are fanatics when it comes to Jimmer and I hope they cool there
jets alittle , I love Jimmers game (most of it) but I don't have any outlandish
ideas about how good he will end up being, I don't have any idea about whether
or not he will be a role player or whether or not he might end up making an
allstar team one day. I don't want to say he can't or won't but I'm not going to
say he will either. The reason I want the Jazz to draft Jimmer is because the
skill set he has would help the Jazz be a better team. The Jazz need what Jimmer
can bring, namely great outside shooting and a player that can put the ball on
the floor and create for himself and others. His D will be adequate, he is a
better athlete than some want to give him credit for. If the Jazz take Jimmer it
will be because they appreciate his skills and what he will bring to help the
team, not because he's from BYU or because the fans want him. JonasorKanter at
3, JimmerorSingleton at 12
Scoring 28 a game in the NCAA going in the NBA, is like scoring 28 a game in
H.S. going into College. It's a very good thing to have, but it does
not by any means guarantee a player is going to be good let alone great.Looking at past players I'd say Jimmer is far more likely to be a J.J.
Redick, or even Adam Morrisson type of player, than ending up being Derrick
Rose. If he is there at 12, and you have someone like Chris Singleton sitting
there, I am much more worried about the Jazz passing up someone who has the
ideal measurables, and played in the ACC rather than the MWC.
TJ"If the Jazz draft big with #3, they would be stupid not to draft
Fredette with #12. He addresses needs the Jazz have."Agreed.
That's what I've been saying too. It all depends on that #3 pick. Will Jimmer be
around at the 12? Around 1/3 of "gurus" have him going before that,
most notably the 7 to Sacramento. So even if they don't take a PG at 3, they may
not get a chance at Jimmer either. Then what?Jimmer was made for the
This is a pretty pathetic draft class anyway, I wouldn't mind if Jimmer were
taken at 12 though it'd probably be best for Jimmer if he were taken at 13 go to
phoenix and develop behind Nash.
STOP comparing Jimmer to Stockton. That is such a laughable comparison. Even
comparing him to DWill is a joke. Take off your blue tinted glasses.
@Black ShirtsYes because not drafting Jimmer will make the Jazz a
permanent lottery team and eventually lead to them being sold."Rolls Eyes"Seriously, the Jimmer worship has reached
new heights of pathetic and disturbing.
MIP,I think the Jazz need a very good point guard first. Irving or Knight.
No other point guard in the draft has as much of a complete game as those two.
If you can't get either of them, take Williams or Kanter at 3. Then take Jimmer
if available at 12. If he's not, take the best 2 or 3 that had a solid defensive
game in college. Miles and Bell aren't cutting it.
Nobody thought Stockton was a HOF lock coming out of college. Drafting is
largely guessing and getting lucky. That said, very few players won the awards
that Jimmer got and ended up busts in the NBA. At 12, I'd take him, no question.
Anybody who wants to turn this into an issue of faith and/or BYU-Utah rivalry
should just quit posting. Even national reporters, those with no association or
affiliation to either of the aforementioned are also divided on the issue - It
has nothing to do with that! Yet still we have these fanatical maniacs who
couldn't possibly pass on even the slightest of opportunities to bash 'the other
side'. Some people need to grow up.And to those who bash on Rock:
Look, he's human and has opinions too. Nobody's calling you an idiot for your
opinion - Neither should you call him an idiot for his. Some people have yet to
learn how not to be offended when others disagree with them. Get over it.I don't know if Jimmer will be great, or a franchise-changer, but he
very well could have a decent NBA career. The kid works hard. Maybe not a bad
pickup at 12. At 3? Heavens no. But 12, yes, maybe. I also think Singleton and
Thompson would be good pickups at 12.
JazzRule | 5:07 p.m. June 19, 2011 Bountiful, UT No, not
drafting Jimmer will just be another hit to the shaky foundation of the Jazz.
They were beyond bad last year and losing tons of fans and having the local kid
dropping 20+ on them 2-5 times a year will be laughable. The only
people (UTE FANS) who don't like Jimmer are just BYU haters. The difference is
BYU fans wouldnt have any problem with Van Horn coming to the Jazz in his day.
These are the same people saying Kimba was better. Well Jimmer took Kimba to
@Black ShirtsYou have learned nothing, haven't you?
RE: G-swenzYOur comment is rather racist, and steroetypical like
Rock's article, IF I read it right, you are saying he is more like
other white players than black players, (is that because he is
white?) why don't you just come straight out and say it.Jimmer is plenty atheletic, and more importantly a great
basketball player, and great scorer and shooter, something the jazz
really need, something the jazz or any team should not pass up
on.All other guards and forwards have deficiencies in their game,
no offense, no defense, no IQ, can't pass, can't shoot, a tweener, can't
dribble, too thin, etc.Jimmer is a complete and great basketball
player, worthy of a 12th pick and should go much higher.
Mavs proved championships are won with chemistry then determination - the right
pieces wanting the same thing. Jimmer, like all draftees is unproven at the NBA
level..period. He needs to become the right piece for the Jazz. To Brad's
point, let Jimmer cut his teeth somewhere else, make his name, come back with a
scuffy beard and a tattoo, become a veteran who has some blood on his hands.
He'll be much more valuable to the Jazz then.
If the jazz don't draft Jimmer, I will have a new favorite team to follow. And I
will chant at the games he comes to (ESA) with my jimmer jersey "you got
Jimmered" all night long and he will drop 20+, who going to guard him? All
you Jimmer can't play "D" fans Price, Harris, Watson oh yea CJ! never
mind Jimmer with one of his many 50 plus point games when he comes to the ESA.
Discussing and/or arguing the draft, to say nothing of the future careers of the
draftees, reminds me a lot of theological discussions or debates on evolution.
The opinions are varied across the whole spectrum, people are adamant in their
beliefs, and yet nobody knows. In all three situations, everybody will be
greatly surprised by the truth as it rolls out.
I have usually respected Brad Rock's opinion until now...
Yea, but who is going to stop Jimmer? The best reason for the Jazz to draft
Jimmer is that Ute fans are going to have to explain away great game, after
great game, after great game until they can't stand it any more and move out of
state! Go Jimmer!!
People who claim they will no longer be a Jazz fan if Jimmer is or isn't drafted
were never Jazz fans to begin with. So I say to you, good riddance (bbaljunkie
I'm looking at you).I love how people act like he is this sure thing
and want to ignore any kind of criticism that people have of him. There is an endless list of articles that talk about concerns about Jimmer
Fredette as an NBA player. I suggest people who are currently worshipping him go
read them. @Black ShirtsJazz do not have an interest
problem...They were 2nd in T.V. ratings behind the Spurs, had 7th in overall
average attendance for this last season (a bad year) and they are one of 10
teams with 10,000 or more season ticket holders. And no, it isn't
BYU haters that don't like Jimmer as an NBA player. If you didn't know he is
ranked 20-30th best prospect by most scouts (no not mock drafts) DX has Jimmer
ranked 28th best prospect.
The crazy Jimmer fanatics make it hard to be on the Jimmer bandwagon. Like a few
sane posters have mentioned, his skill set is why I would like him here. How
often do you find a player that has that kind of shooting touch and can also
create his own shot? He can also create for others. His assist numbers weren't
great but if you watched him play you saw him create countless open looks for
teammates. His athletic ability measures up just fine with current NBA players
& potential draftees, his combine numbers prove that. Also, 6'1" is not
short for a point, it's average. I hate the comparisons to Reddick and Morrison.
The only comparison I can see with those players is he is white and was great in
college, but their games were all much different.With that being
said, if they go in another direction, they may still find a player they need
and I will still be the same Jazz fan i've always been. Singleton would
certainly fill a need at SF.
Your logic defies understanding. The NBA has 82 games? That applies to every
prospect, including Jimmer, who is as well-conditioned as any prospect. Because
guards "traditionally" penetrate the Jazz defense, Utah shouldn't take
Jimmer, who tested great in dexterity and quickness at the draft combine? Never
mind that Jimmer has outplayed every guard he has ever gone up against with the
exception of the USA team guards (who were impressed). or that Jimmer's NBA
team workouts were impressive. Or he scored more points last year than any
college player in 20 years and ended up the No. 4 passer in conference history.
Ot that he outplayed Kemba Walker. Your criticism of Fredette's size is
ridiculous and deceptive. Deron Williams is 6'3" in shoes and Jimmer is
6'2" in shoes, which is the average height for a starting point guard in
the NBA. So Deron is big and Jimmer is small? Give me a break. Didn't you
read how the pros auditioning Jimmer were impressed by his size, athleticism,
length, quickness and even his defense? If Utah passes on Jimmer, I predict the
Jazz will rue the day.
"There are some things that might end up irritating them more than they
thought."hmmmm... Here is a list of the Jazz' first round picks
since 1998: Nazr Mohammed, Quincy Lewis, Andre Kirilenko, Scott Padgett, DeShawn
Stevenson, Raul Lopez, Ryan Humphrey (traded for Curtis Borchardt), Alexander
Pavlovic, Maurice Williams, Kris Humphries, Kirk Snyder, Deron Williams, Ronnie
Brewer, Morris Almond, Kosta Koufas, Eric Maynor, & Gordon Hayward. How many of these ended up "irritating" the Jazz "more
than they thought"? Truth is, the Jazz do not have a great record of
drafting first rounders that end up making a long-term impact on the team. And
that is irritating to us fans. I am neither a Jimmer hater nor
worshiper, but believe the Jazz should go big at 3 and take Jimmer at 12 if he's
available. What coach would stop any player from shooting from any range if
that player makes a high enough percentage? If a player could make 38% from half
court, the coach would demand he shoot from there.One thing not
commented on much: Think of the impact a great long-range shooter has on
stretching the defense, especially with good ball movement.;
Nice post, Alvin.
If he's really that good, we can easily get him as a free agent. But until then,
let him develop somewhere else.
If we draft Jimmer, I bet people will have the audacity to want the Jazz to
unretire number 32 so Jimmer can wear that jersey.
Joker: Your a joke. What makes you think we could pick him up as a free
agent?Nobody is saying how good Jimmer will be, but he does have the
skills and game that would help the Jazz, he is a great shooter and he has good
handles that allow him to penetrate and create for himself and his teammates.
He is also a better passer than people think, several scouts have commented to
that fact. That is the kind of player the Jazz need. Why would you complain and
criticize that the fans would want a player like that, that fills a big need? Do
you have something against Jimmer or BYU etc?
I liked this so much, I thought deserved a second look: "Hey Rock, Draft
Knight instead and develop him so in 5 years the Jazz can trade him for a top 10
pick because he does not want to play in Utah anymore but is searching out the
big time in LA, NY, South Beach, etc. Then we can start this whole process over
again!!! D-Will- the sequel??Wasn't that hall of fame PG we had a
few years back too small, not quick enough, and couldn't play defense?I remember a shot from deep behind the 3 pt arc one year that sent the Jazz to
their first NBA finals.Guy was tough as nails though.
I'm amazed at how Irving and Knight are viewed as "sure things"-- has
anyone really seen them play more than a few college games? Is either one
really the second coming of Kobe Bryant?
Just a reminder, no matter who the Jazz pick in the first round, there will
always be somebody who will say, "Who's that?" or "Why
him?". It's been that way for all the years that I have been following the
Jazz and I don't expect it to change even if someone as notable as Kemba, Kawhi,
or Jimmer get selected. It's not our choice to make - that privilege goes to
the ownership with the advice of the coaches, general manager, and player
personnel director. If you think you're smarter than them - either apply for
the job or buy the team. Personally, I think that Jimmer deserves to be drafted
as much as I felt that Ainge deserved to be drafted