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State GOP party votes to dump guest worker program for illegal immigrants

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  • jmfay denver, co
    June 18, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Its a start. When are you repealing it though? Have you started the campaign?

    Second; you have about 8 months until the caucus to get good candidates to run for office to replace all of those who voted for 116 so you need to be working on that too. That especially applies to Herbert and the AG.

    Past time elected officials put their own citizens and legal residents before illegals.

  • BoomerJeff Saint George, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Awesome job, GOP delegates! I am impressed that you didn't cave into the pressure, and that you voted your own conscience. Its good to know there are people that understand right from wrong, honesty, and fairness to those who obey the law. I wish my church still taught those things (sigh). Thank you, Thank you Thank you!!!!!

  • Adam Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    Well D-News, I think it's now your responsibility to post the names of all those who voted for and against this bill. We voters can then vote with a little more confidence in just who we are voting for. I'll be watching for the list or atleast a link to the list from you D-News.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Gov Herbert, Bell, Shurtleff, Utah Senate and House GOPers who supported HB 116......will recieve a letter of notification from the GOP Party....essentially this means they are all being CENSORED for going off the reservation and if they don't return, they will be sent packing in the next election.

    Sandstrom for Governor!!

  • Laurels Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    @Adam...

    Google the Utah State Legislature's website and look at the vote for HB 116. You can have your question answered in less than 15 seconds.

  • Littlebit Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    Finally some good news on this subject. Thank you delegates for listening!

  • CJ Murray, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Wonderful news and about time. Now we need to pass a national E-verify law and start replacing illegals with those whose country this is. Illegals need to go home now and work to improve things there. The real triumph here is that the delegates represented their districts and the voters and didn't cave into the church, the chamber, or open borders amnesty hacks with their own agendas that have little to do with the will of the majority in this state.
    This shows the DN poll of the last few days is nonsense and was totally rigged to support their amnesty agenda. Any organization or person in this state who thinks they can fly in the face of the will of the people on this issue is going to lose and lose big. If you are a politician who thinks he can buck the people, do so at your own peril.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Even among GOP delegates, there's marked disagreement on this issue. Anyone who pretends Utahns are overwhelmingly against a guest worker program is ignoring the evidence.

  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Anyone can go to to see how any legislator voted on HB116. Each and every vote is recorded there.

  • Matteo Orem, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    Having attended today's convention, and having been an avid supporter on one side of the issue, I can attest to how divisive this issue has been amongst the delegates. I truly feel that the Legislature was trying to address an issue that has become a centerpiece in what defines our nation. Rule of Law on one hand and the extension of mercy on the other... a refrain we are all familiar with.

    While HB 116 was far from perfect, it showed, as the LDS Church advocated, that two sides of an issue can come together in common dialogue, seeking an equitable solution.

    The Legislature is not bound by this afternoon's vote. They can choose to ignore it and allow HB116 to be in full force come 2013. However, I don't think any member of the Legislature will forget that the grassroots have spoken, and that they, in fact are, elected by those same grassroots individuals.

    Now we have an opportunity to come together again and draft a bill that will be acceptable to both sides. This is, I believe, what the LDS Church was trying to advocate when they commented on this and similar issues.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    Kudos for your work today delegates.

    I will always wonder why Mr. Shurtleff is more likely enforce a NEW LAW when he refuses to enforce the existing law? He COULD arrest illegal trespassers today if he chose to.

    A BIG victory for ACTUAL Utah citizens today.

    A big defeat for unethical businesses.

    They may be forced to pay minimum wages after all.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    There may still be hope for this State. I can't wait to hear what the plan is for getting rid of HB116 and getting laws in place, such as Alabama, Georgia, and others, that will get illegals on their way out of Utah.

  • BYU Alum Cedar Hills, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    Step one, the convention vote. Step two, replacing the Republicans and other politicians who rammed HB116 through this last session. We will not forget your names:

    Anderson, Arent, Bird, Biskupski, Brown, D, Brown, Butterfield, Christensen, Cosgrove, Dee, Dougall, Draxler, Edwards, Fisher, Janice, Froerer, Hemingway, Hendrickson, Hutchings, Kiser, Litvack, McIff, Menlove, Moss, Noel, Perry, Peterson, J, Peterson, V, Pitcher, Poulson, Powell, Richardson, Sagers, Sanpei, Seelig, Vickers, Watkins, Webb, Wheatley, Wiley, Wright, Lockhart, Adams, Bramble, Christensen, Davis, Hillyard, Jenkins, Jones, Knudson, McAdams, Morgan, Niederhauser, Okerlund, Reid, Robles, Stephenson, Stevenson, Valentine, Van Tassell, Waddoups.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    It looks like the majority of the delegates told the Deseret News, KSL and others what they think of their poll, pressure etc. It looks like the delegates have more common sense than some thought.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    Thank you to the delegates who listened and voted to get rid of HB116, get rid of the legislators who supported it, and voted to get rid of Gov Herbert, Atty Gen Shurtliff and any others who continue to ram HB116 down our throats. It is far past time to send the illegal's home.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    So much for polls 'eh? It's those that are being hurt that deserves the compassion. American citizens.

    Business threw everything they had at this and lost.

    One might point out that the LDS stand was compassion and enforcement, yet the enforcement part of the bill has been stopped by the courts, and they are not fighting to restore it.

    Something is wrong in the country and state.

  • jeanne47 OREM, UT
    June 18, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Congratulations delegates for having the courage to vote your mind and conscience in spite of incredible pressure from the LDS Church, Chamber of Commerce et al...
    Legislators, are you listening to the voice of the People? Remember Sen. Bennett...
    If we truly want to have immigrants come to this country to have a better life, we (especially the Church) have to make it very clear, without equivocation, that they have to do it the legal, the right way and thus put an end to their being exploited for cheap labor.
    Observing the rule of law never has bad consequences; it does protect you. Isn't it what we should all want for them?

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    @jeanne47, it's the delegates who aren't listening to the voice of the people. They never have, and they probably never will.

  • Upson Downs Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    I applaud the delegates who were brave enough to vote to repeal HB116 and not side with the power brokers of the Utah State Republican Party and the LDS Church . You can't shield Illegals from U.S. Law. For Illegals to "square themselves with the law" which is what these groups want, the Illegals still need to return to their country of origin and come here legally with legal papers. The statement from the Church even says that. Not just wave a magic wand and say they can work here.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    ON the other hand,

    What planet do hail from? On this one the people elect the delegates. Your amnesty agenda is probably the reason you aren't one. If you think there is such widespread demand for your amnesty and open borders ideas why don't you run? You will find that the Republicans in your area are against it and those who are for it got a loud and clear message today. Everyone supporting 116 is not going to be a delegate for very long. And those who are in the legislature pushing this wholesale nonsense are going to be gone soon.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    It's a really good start.

    Remember the list of names who voted FOR HB 116, and if they are challenged in a primary by a candidate who would vote AGAINST such a bill, you have a good choice. If opposed by a member from the other party who would have voted for it anyway, not so good a choice.

    Remember, you can contribute to campaigns of any candidate and help them with lit drops, signs, etc even if you live in another district.

    Don't forget the Democrats who nearly all voted for HB 116, this may be a good time to replace them as well with more conservative candidates.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    As a republican state delegate and as an American I had to vote against my church, and the SL Chamber of Commerce in favor of the Constitution, the law, and common sense.

    If you want to see how the legislators voted, in addition to the Utah Legislature website you may also want to google "Utah UFIRE" and click on the 2011 legislature in the side bar. It will save you a lot of time.

    Those of you that were whining about the vote should have gotten yourself elected at your neighborhood caucus. Or if you were one of the about 40 percent of the delegates that didn't show up, you snooze, you lose.

    America's Utah team one, illegal aliens zero, at the Utah Republican State Convention today.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    Well, this is regrettable. I will definitely make my support for HB116 known to my local delegation.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Anyone want some stale out of date TEA?

    Just goes to show the majority of Repub Delegates are not in touch with the majority of the State. I feel bad that so many haters were elected to be delegates.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    I love it when the power brokers see a loss coming...and they suddenly call for civility. It was just a sham to intimidate those who oppose the LDS stand.
    Please tell me one example of lack of civility by those elected officials who opposed 116. Just one.
    The in-your-face lack of civility can be found among the activists who cry racist whenever someone wants the laws enforced.
    Thank you for rejecting this unconstitutional plan to bring state-level amnesty to those who are trespassers.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    It was a victory in that two every day citizens, (one of whom was a legal immigrant who became a U.S. citizen) went toe to toe against two powerful government officials and a wealthy out of state special interest group.

    The two citizens presented sound and reasoned arguments for the repeal of HB 116 and prevailed.

    It was reminiscent of an April day in 1775 when a hand full of farmers stood up against the might of the British empire.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    This bill should be overturned. But how can the Attorney General, who is highest legal authority in Utah and is suppose to uphold the law and Constitution, speak in favor of this bill? The vote should have been even wider if the delegates voted with the majority of people they represent. This also shows you can't trust Dan Jones Polls which are manipulated in an attempt to influence public opinion.

  • DaleC Magna, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    This makes me very sad. This is not a vote against immigrants, but a vote against ourselves. "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh, and they shall be drunken with their own blood."

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    A very close vote and now the tea party folks are claiming they have the power to push out of office all who disagree with their stand. They are ready to take on the establishment (or continue to take on the establishment). I wonder what will happen if and when the tea party folks are the establishment. One thing I have found in my career is that it is much easier to oppose those in positions of leadership than it is to lead.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    June 18, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Oh my! This state is sick, sick, sick. Glad I'm gone.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    June 18, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    well does that mean minimum wages for farm workers now ? apples $4.00 a pound lettuce $5.00 a head tomatos $ 5.50 a pound Oranges $4.15 a pound

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    June 18, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    So what are the GOP delegates going to do now? Apparently they know better than 61% of Utahns and the Mormon church. What is it mass expulsion of millions of people? Prison terms for all the illegal aliens and there children? Enforcement only. No reasonable middle ground here. A sad day for Utah republicans.

  • C. Darwin Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    I call upon my representative, Lavar Christensen, to publically rescind his vote for HB116 and support the majority of his constituents. Lavar, did you hear the people speak? They were talking to you.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 18, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    Wonder how long before the Church leadership is run out of Utah?

  • ashcroftgm Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    This kind of stunt is exactly why I left the Republican party. All the party activists seem to favor dogmatism over pragmatism when it comes to issues like this. The fact of the matter is that enforcement-only bills are unfeasible and costly-just look at the economic repercussions in Arizona after they passed their bill.Yes, we do have our fair share of dogmatic, unreasoning party activists in the Utah Democratic Party, but by and large our party is dominated by moderate centrists. That means that our state convention actually does things that make sense, instead of passing resolutions parroting the ravings of some far-right pundit like Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh. Anyone reading this who is questioning their party membership, just be informed that Democrats in Utah are overwhelmingly pro-life, pro-family, and fiscally conservative. There is another option to this unseemly mess.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    Why would the salt lake chamber of comm. have such a big interest in this issue other than trying to have a supply of cheap labor for their buddies at the country club?

    Illegal immigrants do not have to be deported, jailed, or any such nonsense. Just take away the jobs, and they will go home on their own. No seperation of family or such sad stories.

    I honestly believe that the margin of the vote was greater. I looked around the room while the vote was being taken and it sure seemed like there were alot more people in favor of repealing. They had trouble with counting and totaling of votes all day long. How many times did they have to adjust the numbers? At least 3 or 4 times.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    People are tired of this illegal immigration problem. Thats why Chris Cannon lost his job. Thats why Bob Bennett got booted out in the convention last year. And there will be more to come. Thats why Hatch is changing his tune. He can see the writing on the wall. American is being taken back.

  • jeanne47 OREM, UT
    June 18, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    Well, gizmo33, I guess you care more about eating cheap apples than paying LEGAL farm workers a fair salary! Where is your compassion?

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 18, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    OK Republicans;
    Remember your pledge of no pork so don't ask for government stimulus money to build your Rameumptoms. You must do that on you own.

  • CandaceSalima Orem, UT
    June 18, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    I think it is important to remember that those who oppose H.B.116 realize that the U.S. Constitution should not be shrugged off and on according to ones convenience. The Constitution represents every single American and provides protections to America's citizens, legislatures, states, and federal government. It is only when we stray from the Constitution that we find the pitfalls the Founding Fathers warned of. We simply ask that the Utah State Legislature find a solution, which we are only to willing to help them with, to illegal immigrants that remains within the restrictions the U.S. Constitution has placed upon the states, which are not many. I do not find that unreasonable, nor did the majority of delegates at the Republican State Convention today, of which I am one.

  • Charityalways Centerville, UT
    June 18, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    So, I see a lot of people on the right arguing that HB 116 needs to be repealed because it was unconstitutional? But the enforcement of immigration on "suspicious" people of a certain class by the state is OK? It seems kind of convenient to interpret the US Constitution however you want to support your political positions. I prefer to choose and support interpretations that protect the freedoms of ALL the people, especially the disfavored minorities.

  • Clydesdale Tooele, UT
    June 18, 2011 11:35 p.m.

    I don't think the LDS church spoke in favor of this bill. They had statements that supported both sides. The federal government needs to start doing their job!

  • Voice Saint George, UT
    June 18, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    Thank you delegates!

    Charityalways--I really hope enforcers of laws look for "suspicious" people. If a description of a bank robber is put out and it is an adult female, I hope the police don't waste their time checking men and children.

    As one mother whose son is in Austrailia wrote, he must carry his passport with his marked date of departure with him at all times, in case he is ever questioned.

    I hope as citizens we continue to love our neighbors and kindly do what we can to keep families together AS THEY RETURN to the land of their legal residence.

    There was NOT KINDNESS and consideration from them when towards me and my fellow citizens WHEN THEY OVERSTAYED their visas or entered without proper documentation.

    I DO WISH THEM WELL and I plan to pay top dollar for produce and anything else because I know I will be paying less for medical care, government services, education for my family, etc.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    Lets get one thing very clear to all of you who say the delegates went against the will of Utah Citizens.
    The DN poll showing 61 percent in favor did not differentiate between Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Do I really have to remind you that this was a REPUBLICAN convention?
    Even with this obvious exclusion in the poll, the Delegates are elected by the People and I believe that 2100 delegate votes are a much better reflection of the will of the people than a Dan Jones poll that only polled 406.

    Those that are for HB116 and the institutional racism it would introduce need to realize that they are fighting a losing battle. Logic, reason and true compassion is not on their side and never has been. This is reflected by the name calling coming from the pro HB116 crowd that has replaced legitimate disagreement and debate.

    The DN needs to get a clue and stop being a source of propaganda and start being a source of journalism or they will seem themselves (along with Dan Jones) continually marginalized until they no longer exist.

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    June 19, 2011 1:02 a.m.

    I'm glad the delegates who oppose doing the right thing for both the U.S. and for the people from whom we stole much of it went on record. Now that they've raised their hands, it will be that much easier to use the political process to isolate them from opportunities to implement their enmity.

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    June 19, 2011 5:54 a.m.

    Some questions:

    1. If it becomes law, who gets the $2500 illegals would need to pay to "square" themselves with the law?

    2. The problem exists because the immigration laws were not enforced in the first place. It continues to exist because employers continue to violate the law by hiring illegals. If the illegals need to "square" themselves with the law, then what are the employers going to do to get "square" with the law?

    3. Will the federal government grant a waiver for Utah? Seems unlikely since that would lessen their power and they have sued Arizona because they want to enforce a federal law which the Feds will not enforce, but they don't want anyone else to enforce it either. On the other hand, HB116 will open the door for total amnesty for illegals, which is what they want, so maybe they will actually grant a waiver. I would think though that HB116 will be like a magnet for other illegals to come to Utah.

    4. If it becomes law, how long before someone proposes tax money be used to enable illegals to "square" themselves with the law?

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    June 19, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    Keep hb116! The Utah legislature's compromise of several bills, and the words of the Utah Compact agree with my goals for polit, tical laws about dealing with changes to immigration policy in Utah. This GOP vote is sad, and I will vote against anyon on my ballot who says an inkling of support for this putrid poll result. And I've been a registered Republican since before 1984. Lately, I question my ties to the GOP. This anti Mexican poll result shows me the GOPer's are the new rednecks, the new john crower's, who we fought in the streets of the south in the 1960's. There's no tolerance from the GOP. And I can't tolerate this position of theirs. Good to read in this article that 61% of Utahns support hb116, I stand with this group, and they with me. hb116 is a step in the right direction, of assimilating our friends from south of the border, hb116 and the Utah Compact can lead the feds in the right direction.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 19, 2011 6:52 a.m.

    460 people does not substantiate that the poll referenced is a statistically accurate poll not according to the rules and ethics standards of the polling community....and to classify a + or - 5% accuracy is a joke. We have nearly 2 million people living in this state. Plus if the DNews poll is like thier sports polls on Utah and BYU one person can vote on the same questions numerous times. I don't see the Deseret News as a standard bearer for the first ammendment either when just having an opinion counter to someone on thier monitoring staff has an opposing opinion. It's a toss up on whether a clean sensible post gets posted or not. It's all in who just happens to be monitoring and what thier opinion on the current subject and what kind of a day they are having. I've got a 50/50 chance that this post will make it.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 19, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    As Much as I like Mitt Romney...He's not a favorite son of Utah he's a favorite Presidential candidate of many Utahn's... and like many Utahn's he is religous. I wish journalists were journalists and not wizards of words...just stick to the facts. He's from Michigan via Massachusits. I'm a California only because I was born there as a result of WWII but a Utahn because I grew up there... went to school and college there and though I'm in the military it's my leagal state of residency.

  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Now, it's up to the legislators. They clearly have been put on notice. They can begin to represent their constituency - or else.

    I wonder how Mr. Hatch slept last night? His long time support for illegals, his sponsoring of the original DREAM Act, voting for the Patriot Act (more than once), is now a huge anchor for him. Oh well...one sows what they reap.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Just to clarify what gizmo33 wrote, the impact of illegal alien labor on food prices is a myth. We wouldn't have $3 tomatoes and $8 heads of lettuce. Picking labor accounts for about 5% of the retail price.
    Seattle Times columnist Drew DeSilver wrote: If illegal workers disappeared from the apple harvest and wages for the remaining legal workers rose by 40 percent in response and that entire wage increase were passed on to the consumer that still would add less than 3 cents to the retail price of a pound of apples.

    As Will Rogers once said, It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 19, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    owlmaster 2
    You're the space cadet whose lost out there owly. You're trying to fly in the ozone layer where there's very little oxygen. It's time to come back to earth. The moon isn't made of cheese. We already have severe problems with Utah long being a safe haven...and the gang related crime we are just seeing the early stages of here isn't African American or Chinese and if you haven't noticed... it is blossoming extremely well. Creating a larger safe haven environment isn't the answer. Even just enforcing existing immigration laws would be an improvement. We need to force the state to do that because we know by experience that the federal government can't do it... and they also need to create and enforce stricter laws than we already have because we will be facing more and more of an increasing onslaught down the road if we don't.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    A poster here said that the Democratic Party in Utah is composed largely of centrists. That is possibly true of their leaders, but I don't buy it as applied to their rank and file. The leaders know that their election is in jeopardy if they reflect the true views of their party, and so they mute them and push the agenda a little around the edges.

    My conversations with Utah Democrats find them supporting every national, liberal and party platform plank. They favor unrestricted abortion, they favor gay marriage. They favor increased social programs and higher taxes. They used to chafe at the leadership of the LDS church, feeling that they (being rigidly conservative) had far too much control over what happened in Salt Lake City and the Utah Legislature. Now, as the church seems to be moderating and liberalizing their official stands, Utah Democrats are starting to really like them.

    Utah Democrats are not centrist, don't want to be, and never will be. I hope that the church and the people realize that.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    June 19, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    On the positive side, the vote was very close. Adding roughly 40% of Republicans to a much higher percentage of Democrats, maybe Utah can still show it has both heart and common sense. We HAVE to take the vitriol out of this discussion, or we are falling right into the pit of contention, and you know who digs that.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    As a liberal American Democrat,

    All I can say is DARN,I wanted to the republicans to keep their anti-people, anti-American worker stand.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Ah...seemingly the witch hunt is on! The Inquisition, aka the Utah State Republican Convention, with its caucus elected myopics, has identified the heretics and death will be by ballot box next November or perhaps earlier at the Republican Nominating Convention! Democracy at work!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 19, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    It wasn't too long ago, Utahns, when your forefathers' deplorable conditions played a role in their embracing a new religion and heading to a different location seeking a better life. If America had an immigration policy then where only the wealthy and educated were welcomed, how many of you would be speaking a different language?

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    I work in construction and i am always amazed at how the illegals i compete against daily drive much newer and nicer vehicles than i do. Then I did the math. I pay over $600 a month for not very good health insurance (while they get theirs for free just by showing up at the emergency room). They also crowd 2 or 3 families into a house therefore paying little in property tax, but sending their children to school for a free education, free breakfast, free lunch. The list goes on. And we are discriminating?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    I think it was great to see a real vote by republicans. Usually they all follow along like little sheep and vote for the most far right position on the table. I am glad they have shown that they can occasionally think for themselves. Now if we could just convince the republicans that the way to get control of the "illegal" problem is to put a heavy fine on the business owner who hires them. No jobs, most of those who are here illegally go home.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    @dave4197

    I rest my case about the name calling coming from your end of the debate. I along with others against amnesty for law breakers welcome our friends from south of the border with open arms when they come to our country LEGALLY. There is nothing extreme, racist or redneck about that.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Recently moving from a very liberal state in the northwest that has a huge illegal immigration problem. I have been disappointed in the high handed approach by the talking heads favoring HB116 they have spun and denigrated those who favor repeal. I am speaking of the Doug Wright show on KSL radio who seemed to provide 90% of his time trashing as right wing or not real Utah those opposed to 116. The same for slanted Deseret News editorial opinion pieces by Lavar Webb, and general advocacy for 116 overall. Why so much credit to the Sutherland Institute and its spokesman Paul Mero? It has all been a little overkill even the questionable poll by Dan Jones and Associates. The courage of those delegates to face down the money and politically powerful and do the right thing is commendable. I hope there is some changes and even handed approach in the future on this and other issues.

  • practical solutions SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    HB 116, if enacted, would encourage more illegal immigrants to flock to Utah. With only a fine, efforts to learn English and renewal of a card every two years, an illegal immigrant can stay here forever. Without the hassle and threat now imposed in surrounding states, then illegal immigrants would be induced to come here.
    Illegal immigrants know what is happening quicker that you and I do. Their grapevine of communication is efficient. I have seen it firsthand, told to me face-to-face by the immigrants themselves. In Texas years ago, the day the migrante (US immigration officers) showed up to migrant workers work to deport them, no one showed to their work. They already knew that the migrante were coming that day. In Los Angeles, women who were 9 months pregnant would sneak across the border illegally to deliver their child in the US on US soil so that that child would be a US citizen. When I asked them why they didnt deliver in San Diego, they told me that if they delivered in San Diego, then they would be deported. In contrast, if they came to Los Angeles they would not.

  • sg newhall, CA
    June 19, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    I find it interesting that as we approach 2012 that we have a seasoned politician in Hatch. Yes, he has done well for Utah over the 3+ decades he has been in office, but really, isn't it time to look at new candidates who really mirror the wishes of the people of the state of Utah? I remember when he ran way back when against incumbent Frank Moss, DEM. Hatch's platform was Moss is out of touch with Utahns. Well, it appears that Hatch is out of touch with Utahns. He has become Frank Moss. Why are we afraid to vote him out. Send him into retirement. He is all about Hatch. Seasoned doesn't equal effectiveness. Hatch, like salt has lost his savor. His position regarding illegal immigration reminds me of the circus high wire act...tip toeing across the wire hoping not to fall off on either side like the fence sitter he has become. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk when it comes to his constituents. You can't please everybody, but don't take sides with illegals, especially his DREAM ACT which is more a nightmare for all of us. The free ride is over.

  • practical solutions SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Oh, wheres my compassion? Well since illegal immigrants cannot be turned away from our Emergency Rooms based on them being illegal, then they continue to receive health care free to them, but paid for by you and me in higher health care costs. Is that compassionate to young families who are US citizens or to small businesses who may stop offering their employees health benefits because of their rising costs. Who is milking the system? Why do we reward that behavior? Wouldnt HB 116 continue to reward such behavior? Yes. Who then is being compassionate? Is it compassionate when the children of illegal immigrants flood our schools, at US citizens expense? Is it compassionate that teachers have to teach English first before teaching reading and arithmetic? Is it compassionate that those teachers cannot spend that time teaching more to our English-speaking students? I applaud our compassionate neighborhood delegates to ask the legislature to repeal and replace HB 116. We will next have the opportunity to vote our legislators back in or out of office based on whether they represented us.

  • practical solutions SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    One important thing we all saw in this recent HB 116 coverage was that the Des News did not allow a single dissenting voice or article in all their coverage. Look at your Des News this last week (if you still subscribe) a push pull survey and two letters to the Editor favorable to HB 116 not a dissenting opinion. I and others I know, wrote well-thought out pieces to the Letter to the Editor of the Des News, but not one was published. If I recall correctly, the Warsaw Signal (a newspaper near Nauvoo) was destroyed by Mormons unfavorable to its free expression of speech, directly leading to the martyrdom of the prophet Joseph. Attempts to suppress opinion and discussion are not good.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    @WestGranger - you can't believe the 61% approval, this is a manipulated number by pollster Dan Jones. The majority of people in the state don't support HB116, if you poll a small sample in the proper demographic you can get the answer you desire, but not the actual position of the people.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    @Fred44

    I totally agree with you. However, a fine against the employers is not necessary and runs into legal hurdles. The Supreme Court just ruled that revoking the employers business license is perfectly legal for states to do. Arizona has this law in place and I hope that Utah will soon follow.

  • Uncle Mal Rose Park, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    This is so sad. I do not understand why there was not more discussion about the messages for understanding and kindness that have come from President Monson, Bishop Wester and so many other good people. Why has the Tea Party taken over the LDS Church and the Republican Party in Utah?

    As a follower of another Christian religion (so many in Utah feel the need to identify people like me as "NON-Mormons"), I believe that one should not be obligated to vote in line with the ministers of one's church. But what has that sentiment taken on such a nasty and divisive spirit with my Mormon neighbors? I don't know what gets preached in a Mormon church on Sunday, but I hope that every once in a while, they hear the Good News that in Christ Our Lord we are brothers and sisters. Like it or not, that means brown, black and white.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Charity is when someone is invited to sit at your table. When it is forced it is just another tax.

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Delegates and representatives at all levels of government have little interest in representing their constituencies, but primarily serve their own purposes and points of view. I called my Republican state delegate to ask him about his position before he went to the convention. He was not at home the three times I called, and didn't return the message I left.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    To begin with, this never was a "guest worker program." It's a convoluted, complicated, unmanageable cloak for ongoing amnesty as forced through the processes by the cheap-labor lobby. Anyone who can't see this absurdity for what it is has no business contending that they represent the people of Utah or the United States . . . let alone any kind of "conservative" values. It did serve as a valuable litmus test, however, in sorting the proverbial wheat from the chaff in the political arena. Now we need to act on it, and introduce some career politicians to life in the actual "private sector," where they can join the rest of us in paying taxes rather than spending them.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 19, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    The only way I can see this working is to withhold half the untaxed money and deposited it in a trust fund. When the workers return to their home country, they may get their half at the USA embasy or consulate 3 months after they return.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    June 19, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Hunt, your posts supports the extremely small stream of those legally allowed to immigrate. That's just like the jim crowers of the deep south who only allowed the extremely small number of blacks who either could afford the poll tax or who owned property to vote.
    I rest my case about the shoe that fits your foot.
    The root problem in today's debate is poverty vs wealth, or education vs lack of. Education can lead people out of poverty. Many of our parents worked low skilled jobs to bring their family to a better life than they had. We who are the beneficiaries of good educations, good jobs, an economy that's opulent in relation to south of the border, we cannot afford to shut the door to helping and extending opportunities to our neighbors. GOPer's are un-neighborly in their resultion against hb116. Hunt, you need to point out ways that you, or the GOPer's are on record to help this wave of poor refugees, then I'll respect the party again.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    @Uncle Mal: amen, brother.

  • Chuck E. Racer Lehi, UT
    June 19, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    I'm disappointed in the delegates. While sanctimoniously standing on their "rule of law" plank, they strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. These modern-day Pharisees will find one day when standing at the Pearly Gates that their rule of law will expose them as illegal aliens. Whereupon THEY will be deported.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    @dave4197

    Your comparison assumes that our immigration policies are racist. That's a big leap to take.
    I would argue that your stance in support of HB116 is the racist one and here is why.
    Mexico's economy is opulent in relation to the majority of the worlds nations. WE should be more concerned about those poverty stricken nations that are much worse off than Mexico and it's citizens. For your argument to work we would need to bring in the most poverty stricken first as they see Mexicans who come here illegally as wealthy and opulent in relation to there own plight.
    There are literally billions worse off than Hispanics and we as a nation can't possibly help them all through immigration. It is a better option to help them where they are. Illegal immigration only serves to limit our ability as a nation to be compassionate to other nations and races. HB116 serves to single out primarily one race and nationality.

    If you would like a better solution, google repeal hb116, go to the website and view the FAQ's.

    Lets practice REAL compassion, not racism masked as compassion.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    It's amazing how many people think "charity" and "compassion" means surrendering your life and your property to whomever wants to take it from you. "They just want a better life." The same could be said of any bank robber or other criminal--just want a better life. People who push for "compassion" almost always have a plan to be compassionate with someone else's rights and property. And, in this case, they want to the taxpayers to continue subsidizing the employers who want the cheapest possible labor, with the taxpayers picking up the benefits. Why don't you "compassionate" types get down to the third-world countries and get compassionate with YOUR money--and leave ours alone for a change?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    "A Deseret News/KSL TV poll found that 61 percent of Utahns favor the guest worker program and most opposed the GOP effort to repeal the law."

    Polls can be skewed easily to get the desired results (and we know that the Deseret News desires HB116). I myself heard a caller call into Rod Arquette's radio show the other day who said that he had been phoned by the Dan Jones company for this very poll.

    Among the preliminary, qualifying questions he was asked were these:

    Q. What is your education level.
    A. Post-graduate degree

    Q. Do you read the newspaper.
    A. No, I don't like to read the newspaper.

    Q. Do you use the Internet.
    A. Yes.

    Q. Do you listen to the radio.
    A. Yes.

    At that, the respondent was DISQUALIFIED for the poll.

    How interesting.

    And what determined exactly who the Dan Jones company would call? Was it random? Were certain surnames targeted? Were certain telephone prefixes targeted (which correspond quite well to important demographic features). Surely Dan Jones is aware of these prefix maps -- and is well aware of Salt Lake Valley demographics.

    61% of all Utahn's based on 406 respondents?

    Ridiculously inaccurate.

  • truth to be Told Orem, UT
    June 19, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Way to go Delegates!!! I hope Bramble, Lockheart, Shurtleff, Richardson, Wright, Stephenson, Dougall, Reid and Herbert can read the writing on the wall. Next election cycle they are gone!
    We the people still have a voice left in this Country and we are not going to allow these politicians to ruin our country. We will hold their feet to the fire.
    The more they resist repealing HB116 the more likely they will be voted out of office soon!

  • Voice Saint George, UT
    June 19, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    Yes!!! This call for civility and love of neighbors is wonderful news!
    I can't wait to start feeling the increased love by those who have been taking advantage of my country for years.

    Preying on the good will of people and hiding out in their country is not civil nor an act of loving your neighbor.

    I give generously to the LDS church and many other organizations that help people in need of any race or legal status. I love my neighbors and always, always act with civility and compassion with people of all races.

    Having someone protest against me and my fellow citizens really hasn't felt like love nor civility and I'm glad issue has been brought to light.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    anti-liar, you seem desparate to paint the idea that many in our state support 116 as nothing more than a deceptive scam. I'm against deceptive scams, so if you get your proof, please provide it. But I'm also an active GOP state delegate that strongly supports the Utah Compact, HB116 as a part of our Utah improvements to the current situation, and who very much appreciated and understood the LDS Church's involvement in the issue. Again, all that said, if you can prove the DesNews poll was that twisted and manipulated than I'd like to know because maybe next time it won't skew in favor of an issue the way I see it. So -- while I'm dubious -- please look into this in more detail.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    I'm so grateful to the Utah delegates who stood firm in the face of pressure by the state's power brokers (LDS Church, media, CofC, etc.). I was not impressed by the Church's stance on this issue and its efforts to propogandize it. In fact, I found it disgusting and disturbing that they would do this without regard for the message it sends, let alone the well being of our nation.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    @UtahVoter

    "anti-liar, you seem desperate to paint the idea that many in our state support 116 as nothing more than a deceptive scam."

    I despair of fact that that is what it is.

    Proof? I could mention many things.

    Let's take the Utah Compact, for example, which surely all, on both sides, would agree was the foreordained and anointed "messenger to prepare the way" for Utah House Bill 116. According to its very subtitle, the Utah Compact claims to intend to help "guide" the immigration discussion now in progress.

    Given that the very nature and substance of the "discussion" at hand necessarily requires making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration, it is profoundly noteworthy that the authors of the Utah Compact knowingly refuse to acknowledge that distinction. Indeed, they seek to lead the reader to believe that in fact there is no difference between the two -- AND, therefore, that BOTH should be embraced.

    Certainly this was the principal, intended message of the Utah Compact.

    And certainly it was an attempt to deceive -- since illegal immigration is of course NOT right, and therefore should NOT be embraced.

    So there's an example for ya. The poll is another.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 20, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Since I am new to the area and just learning the ropes. The process of indentifying the power players and their positions has been most interesting.Utah has its own unique style. I believe the vote to repeal 116 showed remarkable courage and I applaud those delegates that stood up and voted.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    Been traveling and just got home to the great news!! Thank you, thank you Delegates. At last the people won. The people are legal, hardworking, taxpaying, ordinary citizens. We have been heard. In spite of the tremendous pressure put on by the media, radical legal organizations, one only-ethic group organizations, certain religious organizations, the GOV, the AG, the Chief, Tony, Luz and Doug the people still won. Those groups used strong lobbying tactics, timing their statements to have the most impact, and somewhat devious smoke-filled-room arm twisting and still the people prevailed. The Delegates didn't cave. Viva LEGAL immigration.